MALAWI: Going to war with Tanzania would be foolish

MALAWI: Going to war with Tanzania would be foolish

tryphone005 said:
Why is there war when people with intellect allows fact and truth to discern? I dont see a need for war,
IT IS REQUIRED ONLY WHEN ONE PART WANTS TO SHOVE AWAY TRUTH AND ACT UNREASONABLY,
PAPERS OF HISTORICAL RECORDS ARE THERE LET THEM SPEAK, AND WHOEVER WILL DISAGREE WJTH THEM WILL BE SEVERELY TFEATED MILLITARLILY! MARK MY WORDS,
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ULIBWANJI

What about the records of your historical papers speak about, Mozambique.
I see Mozambique owning part of lake Malawi and you claim the lake to be all yours. but you don't press any charges to Mozambique.
Is your map shows the lake belong to only Mozambique and Malawi ?
If like that, Why Mozambique is silent about Tanzania to take her lake ?
If not, Why are you not sending Mozambique to International Court for sharing your lake.

Is the lake belong to Malawi and Mozambique, or is all yours ?

Would you Please put the map at this page so that we can See it.

Mbumba za Kamuzu.







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charles177 said:
Lake Victoria is shared, Lake Tanganyika is shared.The lower part of the lake is shared between Malawi and Mozambique. Why not also share the upper part between Tanzania and Malawi?
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Wiseman, we salute you...
 
Cicero said:
Mkuu ukifuatilia vizuri huo mgogoro; nchi zote mbili ziko sahihi.
Historically, going by the treaties za wazungu walivoigawa Afrika, ziwa lote liko Malawi.
Lakini going by the custom in international law, Tanzania iko sahihi mpaka unatakiwa upite katikati. Sasa hapo tufanyeje?
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Mbona Malawi hawawadai Msumbiji ambao nao wanalitumia hilo ziwa kama ziwa lote ni lao ?

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only the intellrctuals and people wth brain will think..Its lake Nyasa and not lake Malawi

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Cicero said:
Malawi needs to be proactive and not just reactive on the Lake Malawi boundary wrangle with its north-eastern neighbour, Tanzania. But while I am on this, let me warn that resorting to wresting the part of the lake Tanzania claims is its territory will only worsen the matter. To be brutally frank, and without underrating our military prowess, Malawi will be the bigger casualty in any military undertaking with Tanzania. Tanzania, geographically bigger than Malawi—is no match for us military-wise.

To begin with, we need the lake more than Tanzania needs the part they are claiming to belong to them. Unlike Tanzania, which also has lakes Victoria and Tanganyika and a long seashore on the Indian Ocean, Lake Malawi is our only biggest water resource body spanning all the three regions. As a result its economic importance to Malawi cannot be overstated.

We need the lake for transport purposes—which to say the least—we have underutilised. The lake’s fish resources are an economic lifeline for 90 percent of the people along the lakeshore who subsist as fishermen. Take away the lake and see what would become of people in Karonga, Nkhata Bay, Likoma and Chizumulo, part of Rumphi, Nkhotakota, Salima, Mangochi. In short, the lake is actually synonymous with their livelihood.

At national level, Lake Malawi is the main source of water for the Shire River, which is again the source of 90 percent of our hydro-electricity from Nkula, Tedzani and Kapichira hydro-power stations.

Agriculturally, Illovo and Dwangwa Sugar company—probably the country’s biggest employers—depend on water bodies from the Shire and Lake Malawi, respectively. And if we had visionary leaders, they would long have transformed lakeshore districts into breadbaskets for the entire country producing rice, maize and cassava.

Blantyre Water Board’s main source of water—Walker’s Ferry—is the Shire River (whose main source of water is Lake Malawi), meaning that the whole Blantyre city and parts of Chiradzulu and Thyolo are serviced by the Shire River.

As a tourist destination—which again I must state we have grossly underdeveloped—Lake Malawi’s importance cannot be overstated, contributing a good percentage to the tourism’s gross domestic product (GDP).

In short, Lake Malawi’s importance should not be something any caring government should only talk about when there are no elections in the country. In Tumbuka we would have said navyose vyamthengere.

If truth be told, since 2014 the DPP-led government has been in a power-drunken stupor on this important issue and is only being awakened now that Tanzania has published maps showing part of the eastern part of the lake as belonging to them.

Going to war with Tanzania over the lake would be foolhardy (Uchindere wakufikapo). They have both the military and economic might to annihilate us within a short period of time.

With the issues I have outlined above, not even the elections should have stopped us from getting the mediators to continue the talks. Why should everything else come to a standstill when there are elections? After all, it has been two years and six months since Malawi held its elections and one year since Tanzania went to the polls.

The problem on the part of Malawi is the ‘let sleeping dogs lie’ mentality. It is naïvity at its worst that the Malawi government only wants to do something when Tanzanians are on the offensive. That is not the way to go. Government should quickly get this issue to a logical conclusion.

It is a well-known fact that Tanzania wants half of the eastern part of the lake because of the oil exploration activities underway in the lake. And it is unlikely that the Sadc mediators—led by Mozambique former president Joachim Chissano—will side with Malawi on the issue, the Anglo-Heligoland Treaty notwithstanding. That is why it is important for Malawi to be proactive and take the issue to the International Court of Justice. That part of the lake is for Malawi to lose.
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The lake is known as LAKE NYASA not LAKE MALAWI.please sahihisha!

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Malcom Lumumba said:
Speaking about Customary International Law in the Nyasa Conflict.
What Custom are you speaking about my friend?
The Principle of Uti Possidetis, Nyerere's Doctrine of State Succession or which Custom?
Please explain to us with facts.
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Malcolm Lumumba google Uti Possidetis and Marine Customary International Law to find answer for that.

The term "territorial waters" is used to refer to any area of water over which a state has jurisdiction, including internal waters, the contiguous zone, the exclusive economic zone and potentially the continental shelf.

Territorial waters is a belt of coastal waters extending at most 12 nautical miles (22.2 km; 13.8 mi) from the a coastal state. The territorial water is regarded as the sovereign territory of the state. Tanzania is claiming what is belong to her, nothing more, nothing less.

I think Malawian Government made mistake by granting exploration right to British company to explore oil and gas on Tanzania side of the lake (Look at Block 2 and block 3 on the map) without talking or obtaining Tanzania Government permission.

What would Malawian Government think if Tanzania were to grant exploration right to Block 1 on their side of their lake without their permission.

The reason:- the place is full of riches and they want all the riches for themselves regardless of the fact that majority of people who live around the place are Tanzanians because of simple reason it is on Tanzanian side.

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Cicero said:
Malawi needs to be proactive and not just reactive on the Lake Malawi boundary wrangle with its north-eastern neighbour, Tanzania. But while I am on this, let me warn that resorting to wresting the part of the lake Tanzania claims is its territory will only worsen the matter. To be brutally frank, and without underrating our military prowess, Malawi will be the bigger casualty in any military undertaking with Tanzania. Tanzania, geographically bigger than Malawi—is no match for us military-wise.

To begin with, we need the lake more than Tanzania needs the part they are claiming to belong to them. Unlike Tanzania, which also has lakes Victoria and Tanganyika and a long seashore on the Indian Ocean, Lake Malawi is our only biggest water resource body spanning all the three regions. As a result its economic importance to Malawi cannot be overstated.

We need the lake for transport purposes—which to say the least—we have underutilised. The lake’s fish resources are an economic lifeline for 90 percent of the people along the lakeshore who subsist as fishermen. Take away the lake and see what would become of people in Karonga, Nkhata Bay, Likoma and Chizumulo, part of Rumphi, Nkhotakota, Salima, Mangochi. In short, the lake is actually synonymous with their livelihood.

At national level, Lake Malawi is the main source of water for the Shire River, which is again the source of 90 percent of our hydro-electricity from Nkula, Tedzani and Kapichira hydro-power stations.

Agriculturally, Illovo and Dwangwa Sugar company—probably the country’s biggest employers—depend on water bodies from the Shire and Lake Malawi, respectively. And if we had visionary leaders, they would long have transformed lakeshore districts into breadbaskets for the entire country producing rice, maize and cassava.

Blantyre Water Board’s main source of water—Walker’s Ferry—is the Shire River (whose main source of water is Lake Malawi), meaning that the whole Blantyre city and parts of Chiradzulu and Thyolo are serviced by the Shire River.

As a tourist destination—which again I must state we have grossly underdeveloped—Lake Malawi’s importance cannot be overstated, contributing a good percentage to the tourism’s gross domestic product (GDP).

In short, Lake Malawi’s importance should not be something any caring government should only talk about when there are no elections in the country. In Tumbuka we would have said navyose vyamthengere.

If truth be told, since 2014 the DPP-led government has been in a power-drunken stupor on this important issue and is only being awakened now that Tanzania has published maps showing part of the eastern part of the lake as belonging to them.

Going to war with Tanzania over the lake would be foolhardy (Uchindere wakufikapo). They have both the military and economic might to annihilate us within a short period of time.

With the issues I have outlined above, not even the elections should have stopped us from getting the mediators to continue the talks. Why should everything else come to a standstill when there are elections? After all, it has been two years and six months since Malawi held its elections and one year since Tanzania went to the polls.

The problem on the part of Malawi is the ‘let sleeping dogs lie’ mentality. It is naïvity at its worst that the Malawi government only wants to do something when Tanzanians are on the offensive. That is not the way to go. Government should quickly get this issue to a logical conclusion.

It is a well-known fact that Tanzania wants half of the eastern part of the lake because of the oil exploration activities underway in the lake. And it is unlikely that the Sadc mediators—led by Mozambique former president Joachim Chissano—will side with Malawi on the issue, the Anglo-Heligoland Treaty notwithstanding. That is why it is important for Malawi to be proactive and take the issue to the International Court of Justice. That part of the lake is for Malawi to lose.
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Well said. Neither Tanzania has never thought going to war with Malawi, let's have constructive dialogue over the issue in question for mutual benefit for both our country as we both share the lake. May God give our leaders wisdom

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This is a childish claim, only the fools in Malawi are prodding their government to act on this unfounded claim, but I believe there are some few sensible Malawians who see this claim as ridiculous; that is why they can not send it to the International Courts.
 
tryphone005 said:
Why is there war when people with intellect allows fact and truth to discern? I dont see a need for war,
IT IS REQUIRED ONLY WHEN ONE PART WANTS TO SHOVE AWAY TRUTH AND ACT UNREASONABLY,
PAPERS OF HISTORICAL RECORDS ARE THERE LET THEM SPEAK, AND WHOEVER WILL DISAGREE WJTH THEM WILL BE SEVERELY TFEATED MILLITARLILY! MARK MY WORDS,
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Use logic not colonial records to justify yourselves Malawians. Water bodies on shared boarders are shared by neighbors. The main source of water flowing into Lake Nyasa/Malawi is Tanzania. You want us to get permission from you to use our own water? Ridiculous. Let us share.

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Malcom Lumumba said:
The main source of The Great River Nile lies in the heart Tanzania and Uganda (Lake Victoria)
Yet you don't bear any rights in utilizing any of it, needless to say that even your former Presidents acknowledged this fact ; And don't ever forget that its the NILE TREATY of 1929 signed by the so called "Whitemen" that made your government unable to utilize the water resource.
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Check your facts. We are fishing in Lake Victoria. It is s marine transport way. We are using the water for irrigation and human utility. No comparison with the Malawi claims. The Lake is shared with Kenya and Uganda.

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Malcom Lumumba said:
The main source of The Great River Nile lies in the heart Tanzania and Uganda (Lake Victoria)
Yet you don't bear any rights in utilizing any of it, needless to say that even your former Presidents acknowledged this fact ; And don't ever forget that its the NILE TREATY of 1929 signed by the so called "Whitemen" that made your government unable to utilize the water resource.
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I think the best solution here would be a jointly owned authority by Malawi, Mozambique and Tanzania to own and manage the lake and its resources on behalf of the respective governments.
Whatever is found is shared equally between us three.
 
Cicero said:
I think the best solution here would be a jointly owned authority by Malawi, Mozambique and Tanzania to own and manage the lake and its resources on behalf of the respective governments.
Whatever is found is shared equally between us three.
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Then Customary International Law doesn't apply in such a scenario.
Because back in the 1960's Premier Kawawa acknowledged it in the Parliament that the Lake belongs to Malawi;
But they have drafted a letter to inform the UNO that they are going to utilize part of it but the letter was never answered.

NB: During this process Nyasa Land was still a crown colony.
 
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