MJADALA: Kwanini Padri Luther aliondoa baadhi ya vitabu kwenye Biblia, na kwanini alijiondoa kanisa Katoliki?

[katichi]

tunapopishana na nyie ni hapo kwenye 'according to my faith' mwenzako nae kasema 'kutokana na mafundisho ya kanisa' leteni andiko kwenye biblia takatifu ambayo ndio msingi wa ukristo..

Kumuomba mtu akuombee sio kosa, lakini napata shaka kama maombi yako yanafika kama unaeomba akuombee nae alikufa na anasubiri siku ya ufufuo kama wewe. kwa nini usiombe moja kwa moja kwa Yesu Kristo ambae tunaamini yu hai tangu enzi na enzi na milele yote..

Any way acha nendelee ku stick kwenye swali langu la msingi,,,, katika biblia ni wapi tumeambiwa maombi yetu yapitie kwa Bikra Maria?

Hapo ndo huwa siwaelewi kwa kweli

 

[katichi]

Nkobe
Tatizo hapa ni liturugia, sisi wakatoloki hatusomi maandiko tunasomewa liturugia hivyo hata Biblia hatuijui.
Kwa mfano ibada zetu zimeandaliwa padri anakuja soma hivyo maombi ya tangia mwaka jana ni yaleyale hiyo ndo liturugia.
Bikra Maria ni binadamu kama sisi alitumika kumzaa Yesu. Lakini eti tunamwomba atiombeee biblia inasema jiombee nafsi yako.
Tunaimba mtakatifu...... utuombee hizo ni nyimbo tu siyo maombi.

Mkuu bora umekuwa mkweli

NILIKUWA HUKO KABLA SIJAACHANA NA HIYO KITU YA 'KUNYWA KIDOGO LAKINI USILEWE' NAJUA UGUMU WA MIOYO YA WATU WALIOKOLEWA NA MASANAMU NA ULEVI NA UZINZI WA KIFICHO KIFICHO...SI RAHISI KUKUSAIDIA ILA NIKUHAKIKISHIE TU KUWA MBINGUNI HAKUNA MALKIA. YESU WANGU HANA KIMADA, SURIA WALA MCHUMBA WA KUITWA MALKIA PALE MBINGUNI...

 

[katichi]

Uko huru au hujielewi , pole

Tatizo Dada ushabiki unakusumbua ukitaka kujifunza kua positivity always

 

[jiwe la majiwe]

Nataka jibu ile back ground pic ile sura ni ya nani...??

William Miller
Samuel Snow
Hiram Edison
Joseph Bates &
Ellen G White
Waasisi wa SDA wakitaka tuwape historia aibu walioiacha duniani.

 

[katichi]

Soma kitabu cha zaburi pale Daudi anapomtolea Mungu Sadaka kisha kusema "Sala yangu na Ipae mbele zako kama moshi wa Ubani..."

Pia ukisoma Kitabu cha Ufunuo utaona..
"Malaika Mtakatifu kasimama kando ya Altare/madhabahu akiwa ameshika mkononi chetezo cha dhahabu..."

Ujaelewa vizuri alimanisha maombi yake yapate kibali mbele zake sio kuchoma katika hali ya kawaida

 

[Hansss]

Najua badae thread hii hii itakuwa ni ya biblia na qur'an ila sio mbaya acha wafu wazikane maana waandishi wa kitabu hiki chenye amendment lukuki wanazidi kuongezeka

 

[Otorong'ong'o]

Ujaelewa vizuri alimanisha maombi yake yapate kibali mbele zake sio kuchoma katika hali ya kawaida

Ila ni kuchoma katika hali gani...? Ya kipekee na siyo ya kawaida...??

Kwanini ataje ubani kama alikuwa hamanishi..? Alikuwa anajifurahisha siyo kutaja ubani..?

 

[Otorong'ong'o]

Mkuu bora umekuwa mkweli

Amekuwa mkweli kwa lipi..?

 

[Otorong'ong'o]

William Miller
Samuel Snow
Hiram Edison
Joseph Bates &
Ellen G White
Waasisi wa SDA wakitaka tuwape historia aibu walioiacha duniani.

Wanafikiri hatujui historia yao..Ni basi tuu..tukiamua utashangaa mods wanafuta uzi...

 

[Zakumi]

Vingi vingapi..? Hebu vitaje..? Kanisa Katoliki halijawai kubadilika ni lile lile toka kipindi cha Petro

Sir Luther and the protestant movement helped the Catholic church to reform. Take for examples the use of local languages. Protestants were ahead of the curve.

 

[Zakumi]

Let me agree with you that most of them belong to Eastern Orthodox. But here is the thing. Once you say most of them, you rule out all of them.

Second, Eastern and Oriental churches are loosely tied. Each has its own Patriach or in catholic terms Pope.

Oriental churches most of them zina-bolong kwenye Eastern Orthodox Churches...

Sasa Eastern Churches (Orthodox) walijitenga na Kanisa Katoliki karne ya 11...

 

[sajumo]

hiki cheo cha upapa kiloanza mwaka gani na nani alikianzisha kwa andiko lipi

 

[tabbet]

Martin Luther alishapata cheo cha , 'uaskofu' wakati huo. Dhana kwamba alifuta vitabu 7 napata shida mamlaka hayo aliyapata wapi? Mnyonge mnyonge lakini haki yake mpe

Mimi ndio sielewi kabisaa biblia ilio punguzwa ni ipi?na ambayo ni ya zamani ni ipi?na nitajuaje

 

[jiwe la majiwe]

Mimi ndio sielewi kabisaa biblia ilio punguzwa ni ipi?na ambayo ni ya zamani ni ipi?na nitajuaje

Anzisha Uzi unaohusu utawleweshwa

 

[Zakumi]

Kulikomboa kanisa gani...? Lutheran Church limebaki Africa tuu....Ujerumani ni kama limekufa tayari, Sweden watu hata hajui kanisa nini..


Hayo maono, ndiyo yalipelekea yeye kupunguza vitabu 7 vya Agano la kale..?

Mkuu nyani aoni kundule. Huko Ulaya ukatoliki nao hauna nguvu. Una nguvu dunia ya tatu. Na dunia ya tatu unashindwa kupambana na evangelists

Aiseer

 

[Otorong'ong'o]

Sir Luther and the protestant movement helped the Catholic church to reform. Take for examples the use of local languages. Protestants were ahead of the curve.

Local language sio big deal....

Hakuna cha maana hata kimoja kati ya malamiko yake kilibadilishwa na kanisa....

Kwakifu makamiko yako yalikuwa hayana mantiki yoyote ..

 

[Otorong'ong'o]

Second, Eastern and Oriental churches are loosely tied. Each has its own Patriach or in catholic terms Pope.

Sawa kabisa ..Na ndiyo sababu ya wao kujitenga na Kanisa...Walikuwa wanata decentralization ya power.....

Kanisa Katoliki lina mtambua Papa kama kiongozi mkuu, halifa wa Patro ...Ila Eastern Churches wenyewe wasisitiza Pope is the first among the Equal....

 

[Otorong'ong'o]

hiki cheo cha upapa kiloanza mwaka gani na nani alikianzisha kwa andiko lipi

Yani unataka kuuliza Petro alianza lini kuwa Baba Mtakatifu.. ?

 

[jiwe la majiwe]

Let me agree with you that most of them belong to Eastern Orthodox. But here is the thing. Once you say most of them, you rule out all of them.

Second, Eastern and Oriental churches are loosely tied. Each has its own Patriach or in catholic terms Pope.

Leave this topic guyz,Roman Catholic is the strongest church never happen,if you against Roman Catholic u real against Jesus Crust and his God Father,having a gud time SDA and let's Roman Catholic having their time.

 

[shayookoko]

kiukweli umekuwa mkristo usie na faida.
kuabudu miungu na kuvunja amri za Mungu ndiko kunakutesa mpaka umkosoe martini luther.
kajipange upya na hoja zako zenye kukinzana na imani ya ukristo.

Toa sababu yakufutwa vitabu, ni kweli biblia ya kilutheri inaupungufu wa vitabu, pia imebadilishwa maneno mengi, tupe sababu.