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2013 · Sep 3, 2018

Gavana said:
The Biblical God As a Deceiver

You won't hear enough of Christian missionaries arguing that the Qur'an describes Allah as plotting and deceiving (refer here).
So I think it is only fair if we return them the favor and show how the God of the Bible is a deceiver, thus by the Christian missionary criteria the Biblical God is an immoral God and should not be worshipped.

We read in...

Jeremiah 4:10

Then I said, "Ah, Sovereign LORD, how completely you have deceived (nasha) this people and Jerusalem by saying, 'You will have peace,' when the sword is at our throats."

The word for deceived here is nasha, which means...

1) to beguile, deceive
a) (Niphal) to be beguiled
b) (Hiphil) to beguile, deceive
c) (Qal) utterly (infinitive)

Source: http://www.blueletterbible.org/tmp_dir/words/5/1144094423-2544.html

John Gill states in his commentary...
surely thou hast greatly deceived this people and Jerusalem:
what the false prophets did, that God is said to do, because he suffered them to deceive the people; (John Gill, The New John Gill Exposition of the Entire Bible, Commentary on Jeremiah 4:10, Source)

The New Bible commentary states...
Jeremiah is not indifferent to the message, which he is called to preach. In v 10 a note is struck to which he will return in relation to himself (15:18). In his distress he accuses the Lord of having deceived the people, presumably by having allowed false prophets to convince them with a message of peace (cf. 6:13-14). The only reply is the Lord's own confirmation that judgment is sure. (New Bible Commentary)

Even though it was really the false prophets who did the act of deception, the Bible is actually shifting the blame to God for actually allowing the false prophets to do the deception. This is what the "inspired" author Jeremiah said and this is what we got to accept. God deceived innocent people.

It seemed that people were so bothered with Jeremiah's ascription of deception to God that they had to reword the sentence so that deception is ascribed to the false prophets instead.

Ah, Lord God! surely thou hast greatly deceived this people
The Targum paraphrases this verse thus: "And I said, Receive my supplication, O Lord God; for, behold, the false prophets deceive this people and the inhabitants of Jerusalem, saying, Ye shall have peace." The prophet could not reconcile this devastation of the country with the promises already made; and he appears to ask the question, Hast thou not then deceived this people in saying there shall be peace, i.e., prosperity? (Adam Clarke, The Adam Clarke Commentary, Commentary on Jeremiah 4:10, Source)

We have it in...

1 Kings 22:20-22

20 And the LORD said, 'Who will entice Ahab into attacking Ramoth Gilead and going to his death there?'
"One suggested this, and another that. 21 Finally, a spirit came forward, stood before the LORD and said, 'I will entice him.'
22 " 'By what means?' the LORD asked.
" 'I will go out and be a lying spirit in the mouths of all his prophets,' he said.
" 'You will succeed in enticing him,' said the LORD. 'Go and do it.'

Here we see that the man said that he would resort to lying in order to entice Ahab and God supported the idea and told him to go ahead and do it!

I personally have no moral objections to this since I believe God could at times use means of deception in order to ensure the greater good and to use deception against evil. However, Christians don't allow this when we talk about Allah deceiving evildoers in the Qur'an. These are double standards.

We even have it in...

Ezekiel 14:9-11

9 " 'And if the prophet is enticed to utter a prophecy, I the LORD have enticed that prophet, and I will stretch out my hand against him and destroy him from among my people Israel. 10 They will bear their guilt-the prophet will be as guilty as the one who consults him. 11 Then the people of Israel will no longer stray from me, nor will they defile themselves anymore with all their sins. They will be my people, and I will be their God, declares the Sovereign LORD.' "

God is punishing him for a crime that He enticed him to do in the first place? Isn't that entrapment?

Another passage...

Isaiah 37:6-7

Isaiah said to them, "Tell your master, 'This is what the LORD says: Do not be afraid of what you have heard-those words with which the underlings of the king of Assyria have blasphemed me. Listen! I am going to put a spirit in him so that when he hears a certain report, he will return to his own country, and there I will have him cut down with the sword.' "

God had that spirit spread a rumor so that the King of Assyria can to return to his homeland. In short, that spirit's purpose was for deception.

Another example from the Bible...

Isaiah 19:14

The LORD has poured into them a spirit of dizziness; they make Egypt stagger in all that she does, as a drunkard staggers around in his vomit.

Here we see God deceiving people to the extent that they become absolutely foolish.

Even though I don't believe the Gospels teach that Jesus taught he was God, however this example is for those who believe that Jesus is God. Jesus admits that he was speaking figuratively all this time...

John 16:25

25"Though I have been speaking figuratively (paroimia), a time is coming when I will no longer use this kind of language but will tell you plainly about my Father.

The word paroimia could mean...

1) a saying out of the usual course or deviating from the usual manner of speaking
a) a current or trite saying, a proverb
2) any dark saying which shadows forth some didactic truth
a) esp. a symbolic or figurative saying
b) speech or discourse in which a thing is illustrated by the use of similes and comparisons
c) an allegory
1) extended and elaborate metaphor
Source: http://www.blueletterbible.org/tmp_dir/words/3/1146511128-5176.html

Why wasn't Jesus speaking in a normal and clear way all the time? Why did Jesus then go and say that he won't 'use this kind of language'?

Well, here we find out why...

Mark 4:10-12

10When he was alone, the Twelve and the others around him asked him about the parables. 11He told them, "The secret of the kingdom of God has been given to you. But to those on the outside everything is said in parables 12so that," 'they may be ever seeing but never perceiving, and ever hearing but never understanding; otherwise they might turn and be forgiven!'

So here we see that Jesus was deceiving certain people by speaking in parables so that they won't (and God forbid!) REPENT AND BE FORGIVEN!

Also in...

2 Thessalonians 2:11

11For this reason God sends them a powerful delusion so that they will believe the lie

So God will delude people so that they can believe lies?

Now Christians would argue back and ask us Muslims to understand the context and reasons why God did such a thing. However, when we tell Christians to do the same thing when it comes to analyzing certain Qur'anic verses they don't want to do it. So why should us Muslims?

The Quran asserts that:

1.Jesus was not created like other humans, and
2. He exhibited the traits, or characteristics, of Gods.

CRUSIFIXION
And consider the way Jesus was crucified, or appeared to have been crucified.
Allah deliberately created a man who looked EXACTLY like Jesus. The Quran asserts that it was that look-alike man who was caught and killed on the cross

(2).The Christians BELIEVED THEIR EYES when they saw a man, who looked exactly like Jesus, being crucified.

Q.What did Allah expect them to do in those circumstances?
Doing Fingerprint analysis or DNA testing?

Why blaming the Christians for believing what they can see with their eyes?

The look-alike man was never seen in town before, so it was ONLY COMMON SENSE to assume that he was Jesus.

I do not see the Christians committed any mistakes at all, I would have done the same.
Allah deliberately deceived them by such a well planned trick. The trick worked on them so well, just as planned, so why punish them?

Was Jesus Human?

According to the Quran, he wasn’t like any human. The Quran says clearly that Jesus had a human mother but kept the details about his father discretely tucked away.

This reminds us with the cowardly behavior of Arab men when they have children outside marriage. Instead of coming forward to take their responsibilities, they turn their backs and leave it all to the mothers.

Let us read what the Quran says about Jesus’ father:

Quran .21:91. “And the one who guarded her vagina, so We blew into her through Our angel…”

Quran.66:12. “And Maryam, the daughter of Imran, who guarded her vagina and we breathed into it something from our soul…”

(Note: The word vagina is the proper translation for the Arabic word “farjaha” used by the Quran. Most translations use the word chastity, which I call deceptive translation)

In other verses ( 3,4) the Quran tells us that Mary needed some privacy, so she went to a distant and secluded place to the East ( why the East? please see note 5) to be away from her people.

A handsome man suddenly appeared in front of her. She must have been scared to death as she did all she could to be on her own, still that man appeared from nowhere.

Mary was a virgin and was never with a man before. That man was Gabriel who explained to her that he was there to make her pregnant, which he did! It turned out that, unlike humans, Angels do things differently. Gabriel actually used his mouth and breathed some ‘SPECIAL AIR’ containing “something of Allah’s seeds or ROOH” (Arabic for soul), into Mary’s private part. Indeed, Mary became pregnant! The verse makes it clear that the ‘air’, which Gabriel breathed into Mary, carried something of Allah’s (not the angel’s) own rooh (soul).

We can only conclude that Jesus’ chromosomes came partly from Mary and partly from that air containing some of Allah’s soul. The Quranic description doesn’t leave much room for speculations; Jesus’ father was God, which is not very different from what the Christians’ believe.

Muslim scholars reject this conclusion on the basis that the Quran, in other verses, categorically denies that Allah had children. The basis of the Quranic logic is how can He have a son if he didn’t have a wife? (6).

Well, the Muslim scholars have the choice to accept that Jesus is the son of God or accept that the Quran has contradictions and not divine.

Also, it is not fair that He withheld the ‘true answers’ for six hundreds years before revealing them, not to the Christians, but to the Muslims.

When I think of the Quranic story about Jesus, I cannot help but remember that verse in Surat Al Imran where Allah described himself as the best of deceivers, a claim he repeated in Surat Al Anfal:

Quran 3:54 “…and Allah is the best of deceivers”.

Quran. 8:30 “…and Allah is the best of

Refer:
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1) Quran. 5:110 “when Allah will say, “O Jesus, Son of Mary, remember My favor upon you and upon your mother when I supported you with the Pure Spirit and you spoke to the people in the cradle and in maturity; and when I taught you writing and wisdom and the Torah and the Gospel; and when you designed from clay like the form of a bird with My permission, then you breathed into it, and it became a bird with My permission; and you healed the blind and the leper with My permission; and when you brought forth the dead with My permission; and when I restrained the Children of Israel from you when you came to them with clear proofs and those who disbelieved among them said, ‘This is not but obvious magic’.”

2) Quran 4:157: And their saying, “Indeed, we have killed the Messiah, Jesus, the son of Mary, the messenger of Allah.” And they did not kill him, nor did they crucify him; but was made to resemble him to them. And indeed, those who differ over it are in doubt about it. They have no knowledge of it except the following of assumption. And they did not kill him, for certain.

3) Quran 19:17: And she took, in seclusion from them, a screen. Then We sent to her Our Angel, and he represented himself to her as a well-proportioned man.

4) Quran 19:16: “And mention, [O Muhammad], in the Book [the story of] Mary, when she withdrew from her family to a place toward the east.”

5) Sura Maryam, is one of the best rhymed chapters in the Quran, if not the best. All verses from the beginning up to 74 have the same pleasant rhyme like the word shar-qy-ia. The rest of the chapter has a different, but equally good, rhyme. Of course, the Arabic word sharqyia (to the East) is irrelevant to the meaning of the verse because we do not know the place anyway. However, it is very important to keep the rhyme. The author did not want to spoil the rhyme for the sake of a logical perfection, so he inserted the word sharqyia at the end of the verse.

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2013 · Sep 3, 2018

Gavana said:
Kauli zinazonukuliwa kwa kudai kuwa ni ushahidi kuwa Yesu mwenyewe alitaka mafunzo yake yakafundishwe kwa ulimwengu wote yamo katika Injili ya Mathayo 28.19-20, Injili ya Luka 24.46-49 na Marko 16.15. Mathayo inasema:

Basi, enendeni, mkwafanye mataifa yote kuwa wanafunzi, mkiwabatiza kwa jina la Baba, na Mwana, na Roho Mtakatifu; na kuwafundisha kuyashika yote niliyowaamuru ninyi; na tazama, mimi nipo pamoja nanyi siku zote, hata ukamilifu wa dahari.
Mathayo 28.19-20

Luka anatwambia:

(Yesu) akwaambia, Ndivyo ilivyoandikwa, kwamba Kristo atateswa na kufufuka siku ya tatu; na kwamba mataifa yote watahubiriwa kwa jina lake habari ya toba na ondoleo la dhambi, kuanza tangu Yerusalemu. Nanyi ndinyi mashahidi wa mambo haya. Na tazama, naweletea juu yenu ahadi ya Baba yangu; lakini kueni humu mjini, hata mvikwe uwezo utokao juu.
Luka 24.46-49

Na Injili ya Marko inasema:

(Yesu) akawaambia, Enendeni ulimwenguni mwote, mkaihubiri Injili kwa kila kiumbe.
Marko 16.15

Je, imekuwaje?
Yesu ni kigeugeu?
Mbona huku anawakataza wanafunzi wake wasende kuwahubiria ila kabila kumi na mbili za Israili, na huku anawaambia nendeni kuwahubiria Injili ulimwengu mzima.
La, Yesu si mbabaishi, wala si kigeugeu.
Hebu natuziangalie vilivyo hizo amri mbili, moja ya kuwa mafunzo yake wasifunzwe ila wana wa Israili tu, na ya pili ni hii ya kuwa watu wote wafunzwe dini.

Vipande vyote vitatu tulivyonukulu mwishoni havitaji mambo ya Yesu alipokuwa na maisha yake ya uhai wa kidunia, lakini vyaeleza mambo yaliyotukia baada ya "kufufuka kutoka wafu" kama inavyosimuliwa na Injili zote tatu.
Yajulikana kuwa Injili ya mwanzo kuandikwa ni Injili ya Marko.
Hizo nyingine ziliandikwa baadae, na labda ujuzi wao ulitegemea hiyo hiyo Injili ya Marko.
Yajulikana vile vile kuwa maneno yote yaliyohusu kufufuka Yesu kutokana na wafu, pamoja na hayo maamrisho ya kwenda kuihubiri Injili "kwa kila kiumbe", kinyume na maamrisho yake yote ya kuwa asihubiriwe ila Muisraeli tu - maneno hayo yote hayakuwamo katik Marko ya asli, bali yaliongezwa baadae.

Encyclopaedia Brittanica, nakla ya 11, jalada 17, sahifa 730, yasema ya kuwa kipande chote hicho kiliongezwa baadae, yamkini mwanzo mwanzo wa karne ya pili, kuchukua maneno yaliyopotea, au yaliyoonekana kuwa ni mapungufu.

Katika tafsiri ya Biblia iitwayo Harper's Bible Commentary inasema:

"Kama lipo jambo lolote katika uchunguzi wa Injili ambalo juu yake wataalamu wamekubaliana, ni kuwa kufika hapa (yaani Marko 16.8) Injili ya Marko inakoma. Sehemu iliyobaki ya sura (yaani 16.9-20) ndio hiyo iitwayo "Kimalizio kirefu" cha Injili. Kimalizio hicho hakionekani katika nakla za miswada ya zamani, na ambacho ni nyongeza iliyopachikwa katika karne ya pili kutokana na maongezo ya Mathayo, Luka na Matendo...ushahidi wa kale kabisa ulioandikwa juu ya Kufufuka (Yesu) haumo katika Injili bali katika barua ya kwanza ya Paulo kuwapelekea Wakorintho 15.3-8."

Maneno hayo ya Paulo aliyowaandikia Wakorintho na ndio mara ya kwanza kutajwa kufufuka kwa Yesu ni haya:

Kwa maana niliwatolea ninyi hapo mwanzo yale niliyoyapokea mimi mwenyewe, ya kuwa Kristo alikufa kwa ajili ya dhambi zetu, kama yanenavyo maandiko; na ya kuwa alizikwa; na ya kuwa alifufuka siku ya tatu, kama yanenavyo maaandiko; na ya kuwa alimtokea Kefa; tena na wale Thenashara; baadaye aliwatokea ndugu zaidi ya mia tano pamoja; katika hao wengi wanaishi hata sasa, ila baadhi yao wamelala; badaye akamtokea Yakobo; tena na mitume wote; na mwisho wa watu wote, alinitokea mimi, kama ni mtu aliyezaliwa si kwa wakati wake.
1 Wakorintho 15.3-8

Ikiwa kipande chote tangu mstari 9 mpaka mstari 20 katika sura 16 ya Injili ya Marko, kimepachikwa, basi kisa chote cha kufufuka Yesu kimebuniwa.
Mwenye kubuni kisa hichi ni Mtakatifu Paulo. Hivyo ndivyo tunavyoweza kuagua kutokana na kuisoma Biblia, kwani maandishi ya kwanza hayamo katika Injili bali yamo katika barua ya Paulo kwa Wakorintho.

Amesema Craveri katika Maisha ya Yesu:

"Paulo alijihakikishia mwenyewe kuwa ijapokuwa Yesu ni kweli alikufa, lazima awe amefufuka, akiuwacha mwili wake wa kidunia nyuma ili avae mwili wa 'kiroho'...Paulo alichanganya mawazo yake mwenyewe ya kikafiri kafiri ya Yesu kuwa na maisha mapya kwamba ni malipo yake kwa mema yake, pamoja na imani ya Kiyahudi ya kuwajibika mapatano na Yehova (Mungu) na agano la pili. Kwa hivyo Paulo akafunza kuwa ndiyo haya khasa yaliyokuwa ni kazi ya Yesu, na hicho ndicho cheo chake machoni mwa Mungu: kafara ya nafsi yake kwa utakatifu wake na kutokuwa na dhambi kwake ili afutie kwa pamoja makosa ya wote."

Ikiwa basi msingi wa hadithi nzima ya kufufuka Yesu hadi ya ubora wake ni kuwa ni ya shaka shaka - licha ya kuwa ni wazi kuwa ni ya uwongo - hapana njia ya kuamini ya Kuwa Yesu wakati wo wote katika historia aliwahi kuamrisha watu "Enendeni, mkawafanye mataifa yote kuwa wanafunzi, mkiwabatiza kwa jina la Baba, na Mwana, na Roho Mtakatifu," kwa sababu haya hakuyasema ila baada ya huko kunakoambiwa ni kufufuka.

Katika Biblia ya Kiswahili iliyo mbele yangu iliyotangazwa na The British and Foreign Bible Society 1950 kifungu cha Marko 16 tangu mstari wa 9 mpaka mwisho yaani mstari wa 20 kimetiwa katika mipinde miwili hivi ( ) kuonyesha kuwa maneno hayo hayakuwamo katika maandiko ya asli. Ilivyokuwa imethibitika kuwa hayo ya Marko si madhubuti, basi yaliyonukuliwa na Mathayo na Luka juu ya mambo hayo ya kufufuka, na kuamrisha kwenda kuhubiria watu wa ulimwengu, na kuutaja Utatu, yote hayo ni baatili.

Kwa mukhtasari tunaona kuwa Biblia inashuhudia kuwa Yesu alikuwa ni Nabii aliyetumwa na Mwenyezi Mungu kwa Waisraili waliopotea njia.

Hadithi ya kuwa aliamrisha mafunzo yake yakatangazwe kwa watu wote "kwa jina la Baba, na Mwana na Roho Mtakatifu" imebuniwa na kuongezwa mwishoni mwa Injili tatu za Mathayo, Marko na Luka.

Kadhaalika kuwa Yesu alifufuka kutoka wafu kwa njia ya kimiujiza imeongezwa, na kauli ya Utatu basi ya kuwa mafunzo yakatangazwe "kwa jina la Baba, na Mwana na Roho Mtakatifu" pia nayo imebuniwa na wala haina asli yo yote ya kweli.

Bibilia haina Hadithi kitabu cha Hadithi Za Yesu. Unaungaunga ili kupika contradictions hujui kitu. Soma kuhusu allah

99 NAMES of devil Allah:
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: [emoji117]Al-Mutakabbir (The Proud One),

[emoji117]Al-Jabbar (The Despot),

[emoji117]Al-Qahhar (The Subduer),

[emoji117] Al-Khafid (The Abaser)

[emoji117]Al-Mudhell (The Humiliator)[emoji51],

[emoji117]Al-Mumit (The Death Giver)

[emoji117]Al-Muntaqim (The Avenger),

[emoji117]Ad-Darr (the Creator of the Harmful).

Allah is proudly CALLED HIMSELF A_khairul Makirin_ (the Best Deceiver).

Yohana 8:44
Ninyi ni wa baba yenu, Ibilisi, na tamaa za baba yenu ndizo mpendazo kuzitenda. Yeye alikuwa MUUAJi tangu mwanzo; wala hakusimama katika kweli, kwa kuwa hamna hiyo kweli ndani yake. Asemapo uongo, husema yaliyo yake mwenyewe; kwa sababu yeye ni mwongo, na Baba wa huo, Muuaji._

Abu Hurayrah (RadiyAllahu Anhu) relates that Rasulullah (Sallallahu Alayhi Wasallam) said: _‘The Jews were divided into 71 or 72 sects as were the Christians. *MY UMMAH WILL BE DIVIDED INTO 73 SECTS. ”ALL BUT ONE WILL GO TO HELL [emoji91] *_ (Al-Mustadrak).

ADVICE FOR BLIND FAITHs
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: “Believers, DO NOT ASK about things which, if revealed to you, would disappoint you. Some people before you did ask such questions, and on that account LOST THEIR FAITH lost” (Quran. 5: 101-102)

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Quran 2:216
Fighting is prescribed for you, and ye dislike it. But it is possible that ye dislike a thing which is good for you, and that ye love a

“Allah forgiveth not that partners should be set up with Him; but He forgiveth anything else, to whom He pleaseth; to set up partners with Allah is to devise a sin Most heinous indeed.” 4:48

SCience of allah
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Bukhari 4:54:537
The Prophet said "If a house fly falls in the drink of anyone of you, he should dip it (in the drink), for one of its wings has a disease and the other has the cure for the disease."

But most of all allah is..

Quran 3:54 and 8:30 ..and Allah is the best of deceivers” (waAllahu khayru almakireen ).

The Book of Revelation 12:9 says Satan is the deceiver of the whole world.

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Gavana · Sep 3, 2018

2013 said:
The Quran asserts that:

1.Jesus was not created like other humans, and
2. He exhibited the traits, or characteristics, of Gods.

CRUSIFIXION
And consider the way Jesus was crucified, or appeared to have been crucified.
Allah deliberately created a man who looked EXACTLY like Jesus. The Quran asserts that it was that look-alike man who was caught and killed on the cross

(2).The Christians BELIEVED THEIR EYES when they saw a man, who looked exactly like Jesus, being crucified.

Q.What did Allah expect them to do in those circumstances?
Doing Fingerprint analysis or DNA testing?

Why blaming the Christians for believing what they can see with their eyes?

The look-alike man was never seen in town before, so it was ONLY COMMON SENSE to assume that he was Jesus.

I do not see the Christians committed any mistakes at all, I would have done the same.
Allah deliberately deceived them by such a well planned trick. The trick worked on them so well, just as planned, so why punish them?

Was Jesus Human?

According to the Quran, he wasn’t like any human. The Quran says clearly that Jesus had a human mother but kept the details about his father discretely tucked away.

This reminds us with the cowardly behavior of Arab men when they have children outside marriage. Instead of coming forward to take their responsibilities, they turn their backs and leave it all to the mothers.

Let us read what the Quran says about Jesus’ father:

Quran .21:91. “And the one who guarded her vagina, so We blew into her through Our angel…”

Quran.66:12. “And Maryam, the daughter of Imran, who guarded her vagina and we breathed into it something from our soul…”

(Note: The word vagina is the proper translation for the Arabic word “farjaha” used by the Quran. Most translations use the word chastity, which I call deceptive translation)

In other verses ( 3,4) the Quran tells us that Mary needed some privacy, so she went to a distant and secluded place to the East ( why the East? please see note 5) to be away from her people.

A handsome man suddenly appeared in front of her. She must have been scared to death as she did all she could to be on her own, still that man appeared from nowhere.

Mary was a virgin and was never with a man before. That man was Gabriel who explained to her that he was there to make her pregnant, which he did! It turned out that, unlike humans, Angels do things differently. Gabriel actually used his mouth and breathed some ‘SPECIAL AIR’ containing “something of Allah’s seeds or ROOH” (Arabic for soul), into Mary’s private part. Indeed, Mary became pregnant! The verse makes it clear that the ‘air’, which Gabriel breathed into Mary, carried something of Allah’s (not the angel’s) own rooh (soul).

We can only conclude that Jesus’ chromosomes came partly from Mary and partly from that air containing some of Allah’s soul. The Quranic description doesn’t leave much room for speculations; Jesus’ father was God, which is not very different from what the Christians’ believe.

Muslim scholars reject this conclusion on the basis that the Quran, in other verses, categorically denies that Allah had children. The basis of the Quranic logic is how can He have a son if he didn’t have a wife? (6).

Well, the Muslim scholars have the choice to accept that Jesus is the son of God or accept that the Quran has contradictions and not divine.

Also, it is not fair that He withheld the ‘true answers’ for six hundreds years before revealing them, not to the Christians, but to the Muslims.

When I think of the Quranic story about Jesus, I cannot help but remember that verse in Surat Al Imran where Allah described himself as the best of deceivers, a claim he repeated in Surat Al Anfal:

Quran 3:54 “…and Allah is the best of deceivers”.

Quran. 8:30 “…and Allah is the best of

Refer:
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1) Quran. 5:110 “when Allah will say, “O Jesus, Son of Mary, remember My favor upon you and upon your mother when I supported you with the Pure Spirit and you spoke to the people in the cradle and in maturity; and when I taught you writing and wisdom and the Torah and the Gospel; and when you designed from clay like the form of a bird with My permission, then you breathed into it, and it became a bird with My permission; and you healed the blind and the leper with My permission; and when you brought forth the dead with My permission; and when I restrained the Children of Israel from you when you came to them with clear proofs and those who disbelieved among them said, ‘This is not but obvious magic’.”

2) Quran 4:157: And their saying, “Indeed, we have killed the Messiah, Jesus, the son of Mary, the messenger of Allah.” And they did not kill him, nor did they crucify him; but was made to resemble him to them. And indeed, those who differ over it are in doubt about it. They have no knowledge of it except the following of assumption. And they did not kill him, for certain.

3) Quran 19:17: And she took, in seclusion from them, a screen. Then We sent to her Our Angel, and he represented himself to her as a well-proportioned man.

4) Quran 19:16: “And mention, [O Muhammad], in the Book [the story of] Mary, when she withdrew from her family to a place toward the east.”

5) Sura Maryam, is one of the best rhymed chapters in the Quran, if not the best. It is certainly my favorite Sura. All verses from the beginning up to 74 have the same pleasant rhyme like the word shar-qy-ia. The rest of the chapter has a different, but equally good, rhyme. Of course, the Arabic word sharqyia (to the East) is irrelevant to the meaning of the verse because we do not know the place anyway. However, it is very important to keep the rhyme. The author did not want to spoil the rhyme for the sake of a logical perfection, so he inserted the word sharqyia at the end of the verse.

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The Biblical God As a Deceiver

You won't hear enough of Christian missionaries arguing that the Qur'an describes Allah as plotting and deceiving (refer here).
So I think it is only fair if we return them the favor and show how the God of the Bible is a deceiver, thus by the Christian missionary criteria the Biblical God is an immoral God and should not be worshipped.

We read in...

Jeremiah 4:10

Then I said, "Ah, Sovereign LORD, how completely you have deceived (nasha) this people and Jerusalem by saying, 'You will have peace,' when the sword is at our throats."

The word for deceived here is nasha, which means...

1) to beguile, deceive
a) (Niphal) to be beguiled
b) (Hiphil) to beguile, deceive
c) (Qal) utterly (infinitive)

Source: http://www.blueletterbible.org/tmp_dir/words/5/1144094423-2544.html

John Gill states in his commentary...
surely thou hast greatly deceived this people and Jerusalem:
what the false prophets did, that God is said to do, because he suffered them to deceive the people; (John Gill, The New John Gill Exposition of the Entire Bible, Commentary on Jeremiah 4:10, Source)

The New Bible commentary states...
Jeremiah is not indifferent to the message, which he is called to preach. In v 10 a note is struck to which he will return in relation to himself (15:18). In his distress he accuses the Lord of having deceived the people, presumably by having allowed false prophets to convince them with a message of peace (cf. 6:13-14). The only reply is the Lord's own confirmation that judgment is sure. (New Bible Commentary)

Even though it was really the false prophets who did the act of deception, the Bible is actually shifting the blame to God for actually allowing the false prophets to do the deception. This is what the "inspired" author Jeremiah said and this is what we got to accept. God deceived innocent people.

It seemed that people were so bothered with Jeremiah's ascription of deception to God that they had to reword the sentence so that deception is ascribed to the false prophets instead.

Ah, Lord God! surely thou hast greatly deceived this people
The Targum paraphrases this verse thus: "And I said, Receive my supplication, O Lord God; for, behold, the false prophets deceive this people and the inhabitants of Jerusalem, saying, Ye shall have peace." The prophet could not reconcile this devastation of the country with the promises already made; and he appears to ask the question, Hast thou not then deceived this people in saying there shall be peace, i.e., prosperity? (Adam Clarke, The Adam Clarke Commentary, Commentary on Jeremiah 4:10, Source)

We have it in...

1 Kings 22:20-22

20 And the LORD said, 'Who will entice Ahab into attacking Ramoth Gilead and going to his death there?'
"One suggested this, and another that. 21 Finally, a spirit came forward, stood before the LORD and said, 'I will entice him.'
22 " 'By what means?' the LORD asked.
" 'I will go out and be a lying spirit in the mouths of all his prophets,' he said.
" 'You will succeed in enticing him,' said the LORD. 'Go and do it.'

Here we see that the man said that he would resort to lying in order to entice Ahab and God supported the idea and told him to go ahead and do it!

I personally have no moral objections to this since I believe God could at times use means of deception in order to ensure the greater good and to use deception against evil. However, Christians don't allow this when we talk about Allah deceiving evildoers in the Qur'an. These are double standards.

We even have it in...

Ezekiel 14:9-11

9 " 'And if the prophet is enticed to utter a prophecy, I the LORD have enticed that prophet, and I will stretch out my hand against him and destroy him from among my people Israel. 10 They will bear their guilt-the prophet will be as guilty as the one who consults him. 11 Then the people of Israel will no longer stray from me, nor will they defile themselves anymore with all their sins. They will be my people, and I will be their God, declares the Sovereign LORD.' "

God is punishing him for a crime that He enticed him to do in the first place? Isn't that entrapment?

Another passage...

Isaiah 37:6-7

Isaiah said to them, "Tell your master, 'This is what the LORD says: Do not be afraid of what you have heard-those words with which the underlings of the king of Assyria have blasphemed me. Listen! I am going to put a spirit in him so that when he hears a certain report, he will return to his own country, and there I will have him cut down with the sword.' "

God had that spirit spread a rumor so that the King of Assyria can to return to his homeland. In short, that spirit's purpose was for deception.

Another example from the Bible...

Isaiah 19:14

The LORD has poured into them a spirit of dizziness; they make Egypt stagger in all that she does, as a drunkard staggers around in his vomit.

Here we see God deceiving people to the extent that they become absolutely foolish.

Even though I don't believe the Gospels teach that Jesus taught he was God, however this example is for those who believe that Jesus is God. Jesus admits that he was speaking figuratively all this time...

John 16:25

25"Though I have been speaking figuratively (paroimia), a time is coming when I will no longer use this kind of language but will tell you plainly about my Father.

The word paroimia could mean...

1) a saying out of the usual course or deviating from the usual manner of speaking
a) a current or trite saying, a proverb
2) any dark saying which shadows forth some didactic truth
a) esp. a symbolic or figurative saying
b) speech or discourse in which a thing is illustrated by the use of similes and comparisons
c) an allegory
1) extended and elaborate metaphor
Source: http://www.blueletterbible.org/tmp_dir/words/3/1146511128-5176.html

Why wasn't Jesus speaking in a normal and clear way all the time? Why did Jesus then go and say that he won't 'use this kind of language'?

Well, here we find out why...

Mark 4:10-12

10When he was alone, the Twelve and the others around him asked him about the parables. 11He told them, "The secret of the kingdom of God has been given to you. But to those on the outside everything is said in parables 12so that," 'they may be ever seeing but never perceiving, and ever hearing but never understanding; otherwise they might turn and be forgiven!'

So here we see that Jesus was deceiving certain people by speaking in parables so that they won't (and God forbid!) REPENT AND BE FORGIVEN!

Also in...

2 Thessalonians 2:11

11For this reason God sends them a powerful delusion so that they will believe the lie

So God will delude people so that they can believe lies?

Now Christians would argue back and ask us Muslims to understand the context and reasons why God did such a thing. However, when we tell Christians to do the same thing when it comes to analyzing certain Qur'anic verses they don't want to do it. So why should us Muslims?

Gavana · Sep 3, 2018

2013 said:
Bibilia haina Hadithi kitabu cha Hadithi Za Yesu.

99 NAMES of devil Allah:
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: [emoji117]Al-Mutakabbir (The Proud One),

[emoji117]Al-Jabbar (The Despot),

[emoji117]Al-Qahhar (The Subduer),

[emoji117] Al-Khafid (The Abaser)

[emoji117]Al-Mudhell (The Humiliator)[emoji51],

[emoji117]Al-Mumit (The Death Giver)

[emoji117]Al-Muntaqim (The Avenger),

[emoji117]Ad-Darr (the Creator of the Harmful).

Allah is CALLED HIMSELF A_khairul Makirin_ (the Best Deceiver).

Yohana 8:44
Ninyi ni wa baba yenu, Ibilisi, na tamaa za baba yenu ndizo mpendazo kuzitenda. Yeye alikuwa MUUAJi tangu mwanzo; wala hakusimama katika kweli, kwa kuwa hamna hiyo kweli ndani yake. Asemapo uongo, husema yaliyo yake mwenyewe; kwa sababu yeye ni mwongo, na Baba wa huo, Muuaji._

Abu Hurayrah (RadiyAllahu Anhu) relates that Rasulullah (Sallallahu Alayhi Wasallam) said: _‘The Jews were divided into 71 or 72 sects as were the Christians. *MY UMMAH WILL BE DIVIDED INTO 73 SECTS. ”ALL BUT ONE WILL GO TO HELL [emoji91] *_ (Al-Mustadrak).

ADVICE FOR BLIND FAITHD
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: “Believers, DO NOT ASK about things which, if revealed to you, would disappoint you. Some people before you did ask such questions, and on that account LOST THEIR FAITH lost” (Quran. 5: 101-102)

ALLAH LIVES KILLINGS[emoji116] [emoji116]

Quran 2:216
Fighting is prescribed for you, and ye dislike it. But it is possible that ye dislike a thing which is good for you, and that ye love a

“Allah forgiveth not that partners should be set up with Him; but He forgiveth anything else, to whom He pleaseth; to set up partners with Allah is to devise a sin Most heinous indeed.” 4:48

SCience of allah
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Bukhari 4:54:537
The Prophet said "If a house fly falls in the drink of anyone of you, he should dip it (in the drink), for one of its wings has a disease and the other has the cure for the disease."

But most of all allah is..

Quran 3:54 and 8:30 ..and Allah is the best of deceivers” (waAllahu khayru almakireen ).

The Book of Revelation 12:9 says Satan is the deceiver of the whole world.

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Kauli zinazonukuliwa kwa kudai kuwa ni ushahidi kuwa Yesu mwenyewe alitaka mafunzo yake yakafundishwe kwa ulimwengu wote yamo katika Injili ya Mathayo 28.19-20, Injili ya Luka 24.46-49 na Marko 16.15. Mathayo inasema:

Basi, enendeni, mkwafanye mataifa yote kuwa wanafunzi, mkiwabatiza kwa jina la Baba, na Mwana, na Roho Mtakatifu; na kuwafundisha kuyashika yote niliyowaamuru ninyi; na tazama, mimi nipo pamoja nanyi siku zote, hata ukamilifu wa dahari.
Mathayo 28.19-20

Luka anatwambia:

(Yesu) akwaambia, Ndivyo ilivyoandikwa, kwamba Kristo atateswa na kufufuka siku ya tatu; na kwamba mataifa yote watahubiriwa kwa jina lake habari ya toba na ondoleo la dhambi, kuanza tangu Yerusalemu. Nanyi ndinyi mashahidi wa mambo haya. Na tazama, naweletea juu yenu ahadi ya Baba yangu; lakini kueni humu mjini, hata mvikwe uwezo utokao juu.
Luka 24.46-49

Na Injili ya Marko inasema:

(Yesu) akawaambia, Enendeni ulimwenguni mwote, mkaihubiri Injili kwa kila kiumbe.
Marko 16.15

Je, imekuwaje?
Yesu ni kigeugeu?
Mbona huku anawakataza wanafunzi wake wasende kuwahubiria ila kabila kumi na mbili za Israili, na huku anawaambia nendeni kuwahubiria Injili ulimwengu mzima.
La, Yesu si mbabaishi, wala si kigeugeu.
Hebu natuziangalie vilivyo hizo amri mbili, moja ya kuwa mafunzo yake wasifunzwe ila wana wa Israili tu, na ya pili ni hii ya kuwa watu wote wafunzwe dini.

Vipande vyote vitatu tulivyonukulu mwishoni havitaji mambo ya Yesu alipokuwa na maisha yake ya uhai wa kidunia, lakini vyaeleza mambo yaliyotukia baada ya "kufufuka kutoka wafu" kama inavyosimuliwa na Injili zote tatu.
Yajulikana kuwa Injili ya mwanzo kuandikwa ni Injili ya Marko.
Hizo nyingine ziliandikwa baadae, na labda ujuzi wao ulitegemea hiyo hiyo Injili ya Marko.
Yajulikana vile vile kuwa maneno yote yaliyohusu kufufuka Yesu kutokana na wafu, pamoja na hayo maamrisho ya kwenda kuihubiri Injili "kwa kila kiumbe", kinyume na maamrisho yake yote ya kuwa asihubiriwe ila Muisraeli tu - maneno hayo yote hayakuwamo katik Marko ya asli, bali yaliongezwa baadae.

Encyclopaedia Brittanica, nakla ya 11, jalada 17, sahifa 730, yasema ya kuwa kipande chote hicho kiliongezwa baadae, yamkini mwanzo mwanzo wa karne ya pili, kuchukua maneno yaliyopotea, au yaliyoonekana kuwa ni mapungufu.

Katika tafsiri ya Biblia iitwayo Harper's Bible Commentary inasema:

"Kama lipo jambo lolote katika uchunguzi wa Injili ambalo juu yake wataalamu wamekubaliana, ni kuwa kufika hapa (yaani Marko 16.8) Injili ya Marko inakoma. Sehemu iliyobaki ya sura (yaani 16.9-20) ndio hiyo iitwayo "Kimalizio kirefu" cha Injili. Kimalizio hicho hakionekani katika nakla za miswada ya zamani, na ambacho ni nyongeza iliyopachikwa katika karne ya pili kutokana na maongezo ya Mathayo, Luka na Matendo...ushahidi wa kale kabisa ulioandikwa juu ya Kufufuka (Yesu) haumo katika Injili bali katika barua ya kwanza ya Paulo kuwapelekea Wakorintho 15.3-8."

Maneno hayo ya Paulo aliyowaandikia Wakorintho na ndio mara ya kwanza kutajwa kufufuka kwa Yesu ni haya:

Kwa maana niliwatolea ninyi hapo mwanzo yale niliyoyapokea mimi mwenyewe, ya kuwa Kristo alikufa kwa ajili ya dhambi zetu, kama yanenavyo maandiko; na ya kuwa alizikwa; na ya kuwa alifufuka siku ya tatu, kama yanenavyo maaandiko; na ya kuwa alimtokea Kefa; tena na wale Thenashara; baadaye aliwatokea ndugu zaidi ya mia tano pamoja; katika hao wengi wanaishi hata sasa, ila baadhi yao wamelala; badaye akamtokea Yakobo; tena na mitume wote; na mwisho wa watu wote, alinitokea mimi, kama ni mtu aliyezaliwa si kwa wakati wake.
1 Wakorintho 15.3-8

Ikiwa kipande chote tangu mstari 9 mpaka mstari 20 katika sura 16 ya Injili ya Marko, kimepachikwa, basi kisa chote cha kufufuka Yesu kimebuniwa.
Mwenye kubuni kisa hichi ni Mtakatifu Paulo. Hivyo ndivyo tunavyoweza kuagua kutokana na kuisoma Biblia, kwani maandishi ya kwanza hayamo katika Injili bali yamo katika barua ya Paulo kwa Wakorintho.

Amesema Craveri katika Maisha ya Yesu:

"Paulo alijihakikishia mwenyewe kuwa ijapokuwa Yesu ni kweli alikufa, lazima awe amefufuka, akiuwacha mwili wake wa kidunia nyuma ili avae mwili wa 'kiroho'...Paulo alichanganya mawazo yake mwenyewe ya kikafiri kafiri ya Yesu kuwa na maisha mapya kwamba ni malipo yake kwa mema yake, pamoja na imani ya Kiyahudi ya kuwajibika mapatano na Yehova (Mungu) na agano la pili. Kwa hivyo Paulo akafunza kuwa ndiyo haya khasa yaliyokuwa ni kazi ya Yesu, na hicho ndicho cheo chake machoni mwa Mungu: kafara ya nafsi yake kwa utakatifu wake na kutokuwa na dhambi kwake ili afutie kwa pamoja makosa ya wote."

Ikiwa basi msingi wa hadithi nzima ya kufufuka Yesu hadi ya ubora wake ni kuwa ni ya shaka shaka - licha ya kuwa ni wazi kuwa ni ya uwongo - hapana njia ya kuamini ya Kuwa Yesu wakati wo wote katika historia aliwahi kuamrisha watu "Enendeni, mkawafanye mataifa yote kuwa wanafunzi, mkiwabatiza kwa jina la Baba, na Mwana, na Roho Mtakatifu," kwa sababu haya hakuyasema ila baada ya huko kunakoambiwa ni kufufuka.

Katika Biblia ya Kiswahili iliyo mbele yangu iliyotangazwa na The British and Foreign Bible Society 1950 kifungu cha Marko 16 tangu mstari wa 9 mpaka mwisho yaani mstari wa 20 kimetiwa katika mipinde miwili hivi ( ) kuonyesha kuwa maneno hayo hayakuwamo katika maandiko ya asli. Ilivyokuwa imethibitika kuwa hayo ya Marko si madhubuti, basi yaliyonukuliwa na Mathayo na Luka juu ya mambo hayo ya kufufuka, na kuamrisha kwenda kuhubiria watu wa ulimwengu, na kuutaja Utatu, yote hayo ni baatili.

Kwa mukhtasari tunaona kuwa Biblia inashuhudia kuwa Yesu alikuwa ni Nabii aliyetumwa na Mwenyezi Mungu kwa Waisraili waliopotea njia.

Hadithi ya kuwa aliamrisha mafunzo yake yakatangazwe kwa watu wote "kwa jina la Baba, na Mwana na Roho Mtakatifu" imebuniwa na kuongezwa mwishoni mwa Injili tatu za Mathayo, Marko na Luka.

Kadhaalika kuwa Yesu alifufuka kutoka wafu kwa njia ya kimiujiza imeongezwa, na kauli ya Utatu basi ya kuwa mafunzo yakatangazwe "kwa jina la Baba, na Mwana na Roho Mtakatifu" pia nayo imebuniwa na wala haina asli yo yote ya kweli.

BigBros · Sep 3, 2018

2013 said:
Yesu aliwaagiza waeneze Injili ulimwenguni kote. Ndipo unabii wa Mungu kwa Abrahamu unapotimia.
Mwanzo 26

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Hivi hukuelewa point ya Gavana kuhusiana na ujio wa Yesu kwa wana wa Israeli pekee??? Kama hukuelewa nenda rudia tena usome au umwambie mtu kusomee na ukutafsirie. Gavana kafanya kazi nzuri ya kukuelezea kwa lugha nyepesi kabisa kwa maandiko ya Biblia yako mwenyewe.

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Gavana · Sep 3, 2018

mgen said:
Na hii [emoji117] View attachment 855861 unahangaika wee wakti baba fatuma kafunguka mchana kweupeeeeeee [emoji4]

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KWELI UMEISHIWA ????

UTATU

Kwa mujibu wa Wakristo wengi, Yesu amekuwa ni Mungu-mtu, mtu kamili na Mungu kamili. Je, kitu chenye mwisho na kile kisicho na mwisho vinaweza kuwa ni kimoja? Kuwa “Mungu kamili” maana yake ni kutokuwa na mwisho na kutohitajia msaada, na kuwa “mtu kamili” maana yake ni kutokuwa na uungu.

1. Kuwa mtoto ni kuwa chini ya daraja ya uungu na kuwa na uungu ni kutokuwa mtoto wa yoyote. Vipi Yesu atakuwa na sifa ya utoto na uungu kwa wakati mmoja?

2. Wakristo wanadai kwamba Yesu alidai kuwa yeye ni Mungu wakati walipomnukuu katika Yohana 14:9: “…Aliyeniona mimi amemwona Baba…” Je, Yesu hakusema wazi wazi kwamba: kamwe watu hawakumuuona Mungu, kama inavyosema Yohana 5:37: “Naye Baba aliyenipeleka amenishuhudia. Sauti yake hamkuisikia wakati wowote, wala sura yake hamkuiona”?

3. Wakristo wanasema kwamba Yesu alikuwa ni Mungu kwa sababu alikuwa anaitwa mtoto wa Mungu, Mtoto wa mwanadamu, Masiha, na “mwokozi.” Ezekiel aliandikwa katika Biblia kama ni mtoto wa Mungu. Yesu alinena kuhusu “waletao amani” kuwa ni Watoto wa Mungu. Mtu yoyote aliyefuata matakwa na Mipango ya Mungu alikuwa akiitwa MTOTO WA MUNGU katika utamaduni wa Kiyahudi na katika lugha yao (Mwanzo 6:2,4; Kutoka 4:22; Zaburi 2:7, Warumi 8:14) neno “Messiah” ambalo kwa Kiebrania linamaanisha “Mpakwa Mafuta wa Mungu” sio “Kristo”, wala “Cyrus” na mtu huitwa “Messiah” au “mpakwa mafuta”. Ama kuhusu neno “mwokozi” liliopo katika Wafalme wa pili 13:5, watu wengine walipewa jina hilo vile vile bila ya kuwa miuungu. Kwa hivyo, katika maneno hayo uko wapi uthibitisho unaoonesha kuwa Yesu ni Mungu wakati neno mtoto halikutumiwa kwake peke yake?

4. Wakristo wanadai kwamba Yesu alikiri kwamba yeye na Mungu walikuwa ni kitu kimoja kwa maana ya Kimaumbile pale anaposema katika Yohana 10:30; “Mimi na Baba tu umoja.”, Baadae katika Yohana 17:21-23, Yesu alinena kwamba wafuasi wake, yeye mwenyewe na Mungu ni kitu kimoja katika sehemu tano. Sasa kwa nini walipe neno “Kitu kimoja” la kwanza maana nyingine tofauti na yale maneno “kitu kimoja” katika sehemu tano nyinginezo?

5. Je, Mungu ni watatu-katika-mmoja na ni mmoja katika watatu kwa wakati mmoja au ni mmoja kwa wakati huo huo?

6. Ikiwa Mungu ni mmoja na watatu kwa wakati mmoja, kwa hiyo hakuna hata mmoja kati ya hao watatu ambae ni Mungu kamili. Tukikubali kwamba huo ndio ukweli, sasa je, wakati Yesu alipokuwa duniani, hakuwa Mungu kamili, wala “Baba aliyembinguni” hakuwa Mungu kamili. Je, hilo halileti mkanganyiko kwa kile alichokuwa akikisema Yesu kila siku kuhusu Mungu wake na Mungu wetu aliyembinguni, Bwana wake na Bwana wetu? Je, hilo vile vile halimaanishi kwamba hakukuwa na Mungu kamili, katika kipindi cha kati ya dai la kusulubiwa na dai la kufufuka?

7. Ikiwa Mungu ni mmoja na watatu kwa wakati mmoja, sasa nani aliyekuwa Mungu huko mbinguni wakati Yesu alipokuwa aridhini? Je, hili halileti mkanganyiko na yale aliyokuwa akiyasema mara nyingi juu ya kuwa Mungu aliyembinguni ndiye aliyemtuma?

8. Ikiwa Mungu ni mmoja na watatu kwa wakati mmoja, je, nani aliyekuwa Mungu huko mbinguni katika zile siku tatu zilizo kati ya dai la kusulubiwa na dai la kufufuka?

9. Wakristo husema kwamba: “Baba (B) ni Mungu, Mwana (M) ni Mungu na Roho Mtakatifu (R) ni Mungu, lakini Baba si mwana, na Mwana si Roho Mtakatifu, na Roho Mtakatifu si Baba”. Kwa hesabu rahisi na kwa kanuni inakuwa hivi, ikiwa B = G, M = G na R = G; kwa kufuatanisha inakuwa B = M = R, wakati sehemu ya pili ya maelezo hayo inaonesha kuwa B№ M№ R (inamaanisha haziko sawa). “Sasa je, huo si mkanganyiko na imani ya Wakristo juu ya utatu wenyewe?

10. Ikiwa Yesu alikuwa Mungu, kwa nini alimwambia yule mtu aliemwita Yesu “Bwana Mwema” alimwambia asimwite “mwema” kwa sababu hakuna mwema ila Mungu wake aliyembinguni peke yake?

11. Kwanini Wakristo wanasema kwamba Mungu ni watatu katika mmoja na mmoja katika watatu, wakati Yesu alisema katika Marko 12:29. “Bwana Mungu wetu ni Bwana mmoja” kama ilivyo katika sehemu nyingi ndani ya Biblia.

12. Ikiwa kuamini utatu lilikuwa ni jambo la lazima ili uwe Mkristo, kwa nini Yesu hakulifundisha na wala hakulisisitiza jambo hilo kwa Wakristo katika zama zake? Je, vipi hao wafuasi wa Yesu wachukuliwe kuwa ni Wakristo bila ya kulisikia neno utatu? Kama ingekuwa utatu ndio uti wa mgongo wa Ukristo, Yesu angeliufundisha na angeliusisitizia na angeliufafanua kwa watu wake kikamilifu.

13. Wakristo wanadai kwamba Yesu alikuwa Mungu kama walivyomnukuu katika Yohana 1:1 “Hapo mwanzo kulikuwako Neno, naye Neno alikuwako kwa Mungu, naye Neno alikuwa Mungu”. Hayo ni maneno ya Yohana na si maneno ya Yesu, vile vile, neno la kwanza la Kigiriki kwa ajili ya Mungu ni “HOTHEOS” ambalo linamaanisha “Mungu” likiwa na M kubwa, wakati neno la pili la Kigiriki kwa ajili ya Mungu ni “TONTHEOS” ambalo linamaanisha “mungu” likiwa na “m” ndogo. Je, huko si kukosa uaminifu kwa wale waliotafsiri Biblia ya Kigiriki? Je, nukuu hiyo ya Yohana 1:1 iliyotambuliwa na kila mwanazuoni wa Kikristo aliyeisoma Biblia kwamba imeandikwa na Myahudi aitwae Philo Alexandria kabla ya Yesu na Yohana?

14. Je, neno “god” au “TONTHEOS” pia halikutumika kuashiria wengine kama ilivyo katika Wakorinto 2 4:4 (Na Shetani ndie) mungu wa ulimwengu huu na katika Kutoka 7:1 “Angalia, nimekufanya wewe kuwa kama Mungu kwa Farao; ?

2013 · Sep 3, 2018

Gavana said:
The Biblical God As a Deceiver

You won't hear enough of Christian missionaries arguing that the Qur'an describes Allah as plotting and deceiving (refer here).
So I think it is only fair if we return them the favor and show how the God of the Bible is a deceiver, thus by the Christian missionary criteria the Biblical God is an immoral God and should not be worshipped.

We read in...

Jeremiah 4:10

Then I said, "Ah, Sovereign LORD, how completely you have deceived (nasha) this people and Jerusalem by saying, 'You will have peace,' when the sword is at our throats."

The word for deceived here is nasha, which means...

1) to beguile, deceive
a) (Niphal) to be beguiled
b) (Hiphil) to beguile, deceive
c) (Qal) utterly (infinitive)

Source: http://www.blueletterbible.org/tmp_dir/words/5/1144094423-2544.html

John Gill states in his commentary...
surely thou hast greatly deceived this people and Jerusalem:
what the false prophets did, that God is said to do, because he suffered them to deceive the people; (John Gill, The New John Gill Exposition of the Entire Bible, Commentary on Jeremiah 4:10, Source)

The New Bible commentary states...
Jeremiah is not indifferent to the message, which he is called to preach. In v 10 a note is struck to which he will return in relation to himself (15:18). In his distress he accuses the Lord of having deceived the people, presumably by having allowed false prophets to convince them with a message of peace (cf. 6:13-14). The only reply is the Lord's own confirmation that judgment is sure. (New Bible Commentary)

Even though it was really the false prophets who did the act of deception, the Bible is actually shifting the blame to God for actually allowing the false prophets to do the deception. This is what the "inspired" author Jeremiah said and this is what we got to accept. God deceived innocent people.

It seemed that people were so bothered with Jeremiah's ascription of deception to God that they had to reword the sentence so that deception is ascribed to the false prophets instead.

Ah, Lord God! surely thou hast greatly deceived this people
The Targum paraphrases this verse thus: "And I said, Receive my supplication, O Lord God; for, behold, the false prophets deceive this people and the inhabitants of Jerusalem, saying, Ye shall have peace." The prophet could not reconcile this devastation of the country with the promises already made; and he appears to ask the question, Hast thou not then deceived this people in saying there shall be peace, i.e., prosperity? (Adam Clarke, The Adam Clarke Commentary, Commentary on Jeremiah 4:10, Source)

We have it in...

1 Kings 22:20-22

20 And the LORD said, 'Who will entice Ahab into attacking Ramoth Gilead and going to his death there?'
"One suggested this, and another that. 21 Finally, a spirit came forward, stood before the LORD and said, 'I will entice him.'
22 " 'By what means?' the LORD asked.
" 'I will go out and be a lying spirit in the mouths of all his prophets,' he said.
" 'You will succeed in enticing him,' said the LORD. 'Go and do it.'

Here we see that the man said that he would resort to lying in order to entice Ahab and God supported the idea and told him to go ahead and do it!

I personally have no moral objections to this since I believe God could at times use means of deception in order to ensure the greater good and to use deception against evil. However, Christians don't allow this when we talk about Allah deceiving evildoers in the Qur'an. These are double standards.

We even have it in...

Ezekiel 14:9-11

9 " 'And if the prophet is enticed to utter a prophecy, I the LORD have enticed that prophet, and I will stretch out my hand against him and destroy him from among my people Israel. 10 They will bear their guilt-the prophet will be as guilty as the one who consults him. 11 Then the people of Israel will no longer stray from me, nor will they defile themselves anymore with all their sins. They will be my people, and I will be their God, declares the Sovereign LORD.' "

God is punishing him for a crime that He enticed him to do in the first place? Isn't that entrapment?

Another passage...

Isaiah 37:6-7

Isaiah said to them, "Tell your master, 'This is what the LORD says: Do not be afraid of what you have heard-those words with which the underlings of the king of Assyria have blasphemed me. Listen! I am going to put a spirit in him so that when he hears a certain report, he will return to his own country, and there I will have him cut down with the sword.' "

God had that spirit spread a rumor so that the King of Assyria can to return to his homeland. In short, that spirit's purpose was for deception.

Another example from the Bible...

Isaiah 19:14

The LORD has poured into them a spirit of dizziness; they make Egypt stagger in all that she does, as a drunkard staggers around in his vomit.

Here we see God deceiving people to the extent that they become absolutely foolish.

Even though I don't believe the Gospels teach that Jesus taught he was God, however this example is for those who believe that Jesus is God. Jesus admits that he was speaking figuratively all this time...

John 16:25

25"Though I have been speaking figuratively (paroimia), a time is coming when I will no longer use this kind of language but will tell you plainly about my Father.

The word paroimia could mean...

1) a saying out of the usual course or deviating from the usual manner of speaking
a) a current or trite saying, a proverb
2) any dark saying which shadows forth some didactic truth
a) esp. a symbolic or figurative saying
b) speech or discourse in which a thing is illustrated by the use of similes and comparisons
c) an allegory
1) extended and elaborate metaphor
Source: http://www.blueletterbible.org/tmp_dir/words/3/1146511128-5176.html

Why wasn't Jesus speaking in a normal and clear way all the time? Why did Jesus then go and say that he won't 'use this kind of language'?

Well, here we find out why...

Mark 4:10-12

10When he was alone, the Twelve and the others around him asked him about the parables. 11He told them, "The secret of the kingdom of God has been given to you. But to those on the outside everything is said in parables 12so that," 'they may be ever seeing but never perceiving, and ever hearing but never understanding; otherwise they might turn and be forgiven!'

So here we see that Jesus was deceiving certain people by speaking in parables so that they won't (and God forbid!) REPENT AND BE FORGIVEN!

Also in...

2 Thessalonians 2:11

11For this reason God sends them a powerful delusion so that they will believe the lie

So God will delude people so that they can believe lies?

Now Christians would argue back and ask us Muslims to understand the context and reasons why God did such a thing. However, when we tell Christians to do the same thing when it comes to analyzing certain Qur'anic verses they don't want to do it. So why should us Muslims?

Playing in you're own tune and dancing to the Music. Pretend to be a good dancer! How is that feel?!.

You're contamplating with the parables and make a false confesion to fool the gullibles.

Jesus once said: "by their Fruits ye shall know them"

It is moongod who proudly and self proclaimed to be known as father of all Lies.
Taqiyah is all that he bests at...

As he planned to roast most of you in hell fire and let the very few to his brothel like paradise. its a ratio of 1:73 baby.[emoji12]

In fact he never said what he will do with Jewish and Christians. Since in every people there is a Messenger.

But allah never mentioned anything to Children in his brothel?.

According to Shekh Farsy Jinns are Satan childrens. So its obvious that allah is satan who plotted his own prophet with satanic verses to delude the quraysh people.

"Like Jesus said, by their fruits ye shall know em.".

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2013 · Sep 3, 2018

Gavana said:
Kauli zinazonukuliwa kwa kudai kuwa ni ushahidi kuwa Yesu mwenyewe alitaka mafunzo yake yakafundishwe kwa ulimwengu wote yamo katika Injili ya Mathayo 28.19-20, Injili ya Luka 24.46-49 na Marko 16.15. Mathayo inasema:

Basi, enendeni, mkwafanye mataifa yote kuwa wanafunzi, mkiwabatiza kwa jina la Baba, na Mwana, na Roho Mtakatifu; na kuwafundisha kuyashika yote niliyowaamuru ninyi; na tazama, mimi nipo pamoja nanyi siku zote, hata ukamilifu wa dahari.
Mathayo 28.19-20

Luka anatwambia:

(Yesu) akwaambia, Ndivyo ilivyoandikwa, kwamba Kristo atateswa na kufufuka siku ya tatu; na kwamba mataifa yote watahubiriwa kwa jina lake habari ya toba na ondoleo la dhambi, kuanza tangu Yerusalemu. Nanyi ndinyi mashahidi wa mambo haya. Na tazama, naweletea juu yenu ahadi ya Baba yangu; lakini kueni humu mjini, hata mvikwe uwezo utokao juu.
Luka 24.46-49

Na Injili ya Marko inasema:

(Yesu) akawaambia, Enendeni ulimwenguni mwote, mkaihubiri Injili kwa kila kiumbe.
Marko 16.15

Je, imekuwaje?
Yesu ni kigeugeu?
Mbona huku anawakataza wanafunzi wake wasende kuwahubiria ila kabila kumi na mbili za Israili, na huku anawaambia nendeni kuwahubiria Injili ulimwengu mzima.
La, Yesu si mbabaishi, wala si kigeugeu.
Hebu natuziangalie vilivyo hizo amri mbili, moja ya kuwa mafunzo yake wasifunzwe ila wana wa Israili tu, na ya pili ni hii ya kuwa watu wote wafunzwe dini.

Vipande vyote vitatu tulivyonukulu mwishoni havitaji mambo ya Yesu alipokuwa na maisha yake ya uhai wa kidunia, lakini vyaeleza mambo yaliyotukia baada ya "kufufuka kutoka wafu" kama inavyosimuliwa na Injili zote tatu.
Yajulikana kuwa Injili ya mwanzo kuandikwa ni Injili ya Marko.
Hizo nyingine ziliandikwa baadae, na labda ujuzi wao ulitegemea hiyo hiyo Injili ya Marko.
Yajulikana vile vile kuwa maneno yote yaliyohusu kufufuka Yesu kutokana na wafu, pamoja na hayo maamrisho ya kwenda kuihubiri Injili "kwa kila kiumbe", kinyume na maamrisho yake yote ya kuwa asihubiriwe ila Muisraeli tu - maneno hayo yote hayakuwamo katik Marko ya asli, bali yaliongezwa baadae.

Encyclopaedia Brittanica, nakla ya 11, jalada 17, sahifa 730, yasema ya kuwa kipande chote hicho kiliongezwa baadae, yamkini mwanzo mwanzo wa karne ya pili, kuchukua maneno yaliyopotea, au yaliyoonekana kuwa ni mapungufu.

Katika tafsiri ya Biblia iitwayo Harper's Bible Commentary inasema:

"Kama lipo jambo lolote katika uchunguzi wa Injili ambalo juu yake wataalamu wamekubaliana, ni kuwa kufika hapa (yaani Marko 16.8) Injili ya Marko inakoma. Sehemu iliyobaki ya sura (yaani 16.9-20) ndio hiyo iitwayo "Kimalizio kirefu" cha Injili. Kimalizio hicho hakionekani katika nakla za miswada ya zamani, na ambacho ni nyongeza iliyopachikwa katika karne ya pili kutokana na maongezo ya Mathayo, Luka na Matendo...ushahidi wa kale kabisa ulioandikwa juu ya Kufufuka (Yesu) haumo katika Injili bali katika barua ya kwanza ya Paulo kuwapelekea Wakorintho 15.3-8."

Maneno hayo ya Paulo aliyowaandikia Wakorintho na ndio mara ya kwanza kutajwa kufufuka kwa Yesu ni haya:

Kwa maana niliwatolea ninyi hapo mwanzo yale niliyoyapokea mimi mwenyewe, ya kuwa Kristo alikufa kwa ajili ya dhambi zetu, kama yanenavyo maandiko; na ya kuwa alizikwa; na ya kuwa alifufuka siku ya tatu, kama yanenavyo maaandiko; na ya kuwa alimtokea Kefa; tena na wale Thenashara; baadaye aliwatokea ndugu zaidi ya mia tano pamoja; katika hao wengi wanaishi hata sasa, ila baadhi yao wamelala; badaye akamtokea Yakobo; tena na mitume wote; na mwisho wa watu wote, alinitokea mimi, kama ni mtu aliyezaliwa si kwa wakati wake.
1 Wakorintho 15.3-8

Ikiwa kipande chote tangu mstari 9 mpaka mstari 20 katika sura 16 ya Injili ya Marko, kimepachikwa, basi kisa chote cha kufufuka Yesu kimebuniwa.
Mwenye kubuni kisa hichi ni Mtakatifu Paulo. Hivyo ndivyo tunavyoweza kuagua kutokana na kuisoma Biblia, kwani maandishi ya kwanza hayamo katika Injili bali yamo katika barua ya Paulo kwa Wakorintho.

Amesema Craveri katika Maisha ya Yesu:

"Paulo alijihakikishia mwenyewe kuwa ijapokuwa Yesu ni kweli alikufa, lazima awe amefufuka, akiuwacha mwili wake wa kidunia nyuma ili avae mwili wa 'kiroho'...Paulo alichanganya mawazo yake mwenyewe ya kikafiri kafiri ya Yesu kuwa na maisha mapya kwamba ni malipo yake kwa mema yake, pamoja na imani ya Kiyahudi ya kuwajibika mapatano na Yehova (Mungu) na agano la pili. Kwa hivyo Paulo akafunza kuwa ndiyo haya khasa yaliyokuwa ni kazi ya Yesu, na hicho ndicho cheo chake machoni mwa Mungu: kafara ya nafsi yake kwa utakatifu wake na kutokuwa na dhambi kwake ili afutie kwa pamoja makosa ya wote."

Ikiwa basi msingi wa hadithi nzima ya kufufuka Yesu hadi ya ubora wake ni kuwa ni ya shaka shaka - licha ya kuwa ni wazi kuwa ni ya uwongo - hapana njia ya kuamini ya Kuwa Yesu wakati wo wote katika historia aliwahi kuamrisha watu "Enendeni, mkawafanye mataifa yote kuwa wanafunzi, mkiwabatiza kwa jina la Baba, na Mwana, na Roho Mtakatifu," kwa sababu haya hakuyasema ila baada ya huko kunakoambiwa ni kufufuka.

Katika Biblia ya Kiswahili iliyo mbele yangu iliyotangazwa na The British and Foreign Bible Society 1950 kifungu cha Marko 16 tangu mstari wa 9 mpaka mwisho yaani mstari wa 20 kimetiwa katika mipinde miwili hivi ( ) kuonyesha kuwa maneno hayo hayakuwamo katika maandiko ya asli. Ilivyokuwa imethibitika kuwa hayo ya Marko si madhubuti, basi yaliyonukuliwa na Mathayo na Luka juu ya mambo hayo ya kufufuka, na kuamrisha kwenda kuhubiria watu wa ulimwengu, na kuutaja Utatu, yote hayo ni baatili.

Kwa mukhtasari tunaona kuwa Biblia inashuhudia kuwa Yesu alikuwa ni Nabii aliyetumwa na Mwenyezi Mungu kwa Waisraili waliopotea njia.

Hadithi ya kuwa aliamrisha mafunzo yake yakatangazwe kwa watu wote "kwa jina la Baba, na Mwana na Roho Mtakatifu" imebuniwa na kuongezwa mwishoni mwa Injili tatu za Mathayo, Marko na Luka.

Kadhaalika kuwa Yesu alifufuka kutoka wafu kwa njia ya kimiujiza imeongezwa, na kauli ya Utatu basi ya kuwa mafunzo yakatangazwe "kwa jina la Baba, na Mwana na Roho Mtakatifu" pia nayo imebuniwa na wala haina asli yo yote ya kweli.

Islam is the most dipolar religion.
Regarding to verses of Medina VS Meccan verses.

The most evil teachings that lingering till today are as follows

Stoning:

Quran – 24.2, 7.84, 27.58, Bukhari 6827, Muslim 1696a

Slavery and Taking Females Captive:

Quran – 23.5-6, 33.50, 33.26, 70.29-30, Bukhari 7263, 6161, 5191

Rape women:

Quran – 23.5-6, 33.50, 33.26, 70.29-30

Intolerance and Hatred and Bigotry:

Quran – 3.85, 3.19, 8.39, 48.28, 98.6

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All these Teachings contradict the TRUE TEACHINGS OF JESUS CHRIST

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2013 · Sep 3, 2018

BigBros said:
Hivi hukuelewa point ya Gavana kuhusiana na ujio wa Yesu kwa wana wa Israeli pekee??? Kama hukuelewa nenda rudia tena usome au umwambie mtu kusomee na ukutafsirie. Gavana kafanya kazi nzuri ya kukuelezea kwa lugha nyepesi kabisa kwa maandiko ya Biblia yako mwenyewe.

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Gavana ni mtu anaye copy maandiko yaliokatwa ili kutengeneza maana atakazo akiunganisha na theology ya mwandishi husika ili kulazimisha maana.
Kisha anafanya kua kila mtu anaamini kwa mlolongo atakao.

Na akitaka kuaminika ana post makala ndefu kama gazeti ili watu wasisome na kumpa majibu. Ambapo hataki asikie upande wa pili.

Hua hajishughulishi kuelezea chochote kuhusu Koran yake na kile anachoamini.

Kitu kimoja kinamuumiza ni kua anayoyakopi hajawahi kuona yakifundishwa kwa Wakristo kama vile atakavyo au kama mfumo wa maisha yao.

Sasa akishaona hivyo anaamua sasa kushambulia viongozi wa dini masuala ya ushoga nk. Ili ajisikie nafuu. Ila hana base yoyote.

Kwa mfano hawezi kubisha kua Injili isihubiriwe dunia nzima. Kwakua Wakati Hata Quran inalitambua Hilo.

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mgen · Sep 4, 2018

Gavana said:
KWELI UMEISHIWA ????

UTATU

Kwa mujibu wa Wakristo wengi, Yesu amekuwa ni Mungu-mtu, mtu kamili na Mungu kamili. Je, kitu chenye mwisho na kile kisicho na mwisho vinaweza kuwa ni kimoja? Kuwa “Mungu kamili” maana yake ni kutokuwa na mwisho na kutohitajia msaada, na kuwa “mtu kamili” maana yake ni kutokuwa na uungu.

1. Kuwa mtoto ni kuwa chini ya daraja ya uungu na kuwa na uungu ni kutokuwa mtoto wa yoyote. Vipi Yesu atakuwa na sifa ya utoto na uungu kwa wakati mmoja?

2. Wakristo wanadai kwamba Yesu alidai kuwa yeye ni Mungu wakati walipomnukuu katika Yohana 14:9: “…Aliyeniona mimi amemwona Baba…” Je, Yesu hakusema wazi wazi kwamba: kamwe watu hawakumuuona Mungu, kama inavyosema Yohana 5:37: “Naye Baba aliyenipeleka amenishuhudia. Sauti yake hamkuisikia wakati wowote, wala sura yake hamkuiona”?

3. Wakristo wanasema kwamba Yesu alikuwa ni Mungu kwa sababu alikuwa anaitwa mtoto wa Mungu, Mtoto wa mwanadamu, Masiha, na “mwokozi.” Ezekiel aliandikwa katika Biblia kama ni mtoto wa Mungu. Yesu alinena kuhusu “waletao amani” kuwa ni Watoto wa Mungu. Mtu yoyote aliyefuata matakwa na Mipango ya Mungu alikuwa akiitwa MTOTO WA MUNGU katika utamaduni wa Kiyahudi na katika lugha yao (Mwanzo 6:2,4; Kutoka 4:22; Zaburi 2:7, Warumi 8:14) neno “Messiah” ambalo kwa Kiebrania linamaanisha “Mpakwa Mafuta wa Mungu” sio “Kristo”, wala “Cyrus” na mtu huitwa “Messiah” au “mpakwa mafuta”. Ama kuhusu neno “mwokozi” liliopo katika Wafalme wa pili 13:5, watu wengine walipewa jina hilo vile vile bila ya kuwa miuungu. Kwa hivyo, katika maneno hayo uko wapi uthibitisho unaoonesha kuwa Yesu ni Mungu wakati neno mtoto halikutumiwa kwake peke yake?

4. Wakristo wanadai kwamba Yesu alikiri kwamba yeye na Mungu walikuwa ni kitu kimoja kwa maana ya Kimaumbile pale anaposema katika Yohana 10:30; “Mimi na Baba tu umoja.”, Baadae katika Yohana 17:21-23, Yesu alinena kwamba wafuasi wake, yeye mwenyewe na Mungu ni kitu kimoja katika sehemu tano. Sasa kwa nini walipe neno “Kitu kimoja” la kwanza maana nyingine tofauti na yale maneno “kitu kimoja” katika sehemu tano nyinginezo?

5. Je, Mungu ni watatu-katika-mmoja na ni mmoja katika watatu kwa wakati mmoja au ni mmoja kwa wakati huo huo?

6. Ikiwa Mungu ni mmoja na watatu kwa wakati mmoja, kwa hiyo hakuna hata mmoja kati ya hao watatu ambae ni Mungu kamili. Tukikubali kwamba huo ndio ukweli, sasa je, wakati Yesu alipokuwa duniani, hakuwa Mungu kamili, wala “Baba aliyembinguni” hakuwa Mungu kamili. Je, hilo halileti mkanganyiko kwa kile alichokuwa akikisema Yesu kila siku kuhusu Mungu wake na Mungu wetu aliyembinguni, Bwana wake na Bwana wetu? Je, hilo vile vile halimaanishi kwamba hakukuwa na Mungu kamili, katika kipindi cha kati ya dai la kusulubiwa na dai la kufufuka?

7. Ikiwa Mungu ni mmoja na watatu kwa wakati mmoja, sasa nani aliyekuwa Mungu huko mbinguni wakati Yesu alipokuwa aridhini? Je, hili halileti mkanganyiko na yale aliyokuwa akiyasema mara nyingi juu ya kuwa Mungu aliyembinguni ndiye aliyemtuma?

8. Ikiwa Mungu ni mmoja na watatu kwa wakati mmoja, je, nani aliyekuwa Mungu huko mbinguni katika zile siku tatu zilizo kati ya dai la kusulubiwa na dai la kufufuka?

9. Wakristo husema kwamba: “Baba (B) ni Mungu, Mwana (M) ni Mungu na Roho Mtakatifu (R) ni Mungu, lakini Baba si mwana, na Mwana si Roho Mtakatifu, na Roho Mtakatifu si Baba”. Kwa hesabu rahisi na kwa kanuni inakuwa hivi, ikiwa B = G, M = G na R = G; kwa kufuatanisha inakuwa B = M = R, wakati sehemu ya pili ya maelezo hayo inaonesha kuwa B№ M№ R (inamaanisha haziko sawa). “Sasa je, huo si mkanganyiko na imani ya Wakristo juu ya utatu wenyewe?

10. Ikiwa Yesu alikuwa Mungu, kwa nini alimwambia yule mtu aliemwita Yesu “Bwana Mwema” alimwambia asimwite “mwema” kwa sababu hakuna mwema ila Mungu wake aliyembinguni peke yake?

11. Kwanini Wakristo wanasema kwamba Mungu ni watatu katika mmoja na mmoja katika watatu, wakati Yesu alisema katika Marko 12:29. “Bwana Mungu wetu ni Bwana mmoja” kama ilivyo katika sehemu nyingi ndani ya Biblia.

12. Ikiwa kuamini utatu lilikuwa ni jambo la lazima ili uwe Mkristo, kwa nini Yesu hakulifundisha na wala hakulisisitiza jambo hilo kwa Wakristo katika zama zake? Je, vipi hao wafuasi wa Yesu wachukuliwe kuwa ni Wakristo bila ya kulisikia neno utatu? Kama ingekuwa utatu ndio uti wa mgongo wa Ukristo, Yesu angeliufundisha na angeliusisitizia na angeliufafanua kwa watu wake kikamilifu.

13. Wakristo wanadai kwamba Yesu alikuwa Mungu kama walivyomnukuu katika Yohana 1:1 “Hapo mwanzo kulikuwako Neno, naye Neno alikuwako kwa Mungu, naye Neno alikuwa Mungu”. Hayo ni maneno ya Yohana na si maneno ya Yesu, vile vile, neno la kwanza la Kigiriki kwa ajili ya Mungu ni “HOTHEOS” ambalo linamaanisha “Mungu” likiwa na M kubwa, wakati neno la pili la Kigiriki kwa ajili ya Mungu ni “TONTHEOS” ambalo linamaanisha “mungu” likiwa na “m” ndogo. Je, huko si kukosa uaminifu kwa wale waliotafsiri Biblia ya Kigiriki? Je, nukuu hiyo ya Yohana 1:1 iliyotambuliwa na kila mwanazuoni wa Kikristo aliyeisoma Biblia kwamba imeandikwa na Myahudi aitwae Philo Alexandria kabla ya Yesu na Yohana?

14. Je, neno “god” au “TONTHEOS” pia halikutumika kuashiria wengine kama ilivyo katika Wakorinto 2 4:4 (Na Shetani ndie) mungu wa ulimwengu huu na katika Kutoka 7:1 “Angalia, nimekufanya wewe kuwa kama Mungu kwa Farao; ?

Kweli umelaaniwa [emoji83] Hivi hili Andiko [emoji117] hujaiona hadi Unasubiri INJILI nyingine kama ilivyo hubiriwa na gavana [emoji53] ona sasa laana ilivyo kuvaa hadi unaongea ongea peke yako kando ya reli [emoji15] [emoji4] endelea tu kuhubiri INJILI nyingine [emoji15]

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BigBros · Sep 4, 2018

2013 said:
Yohana 16:12-16
[12]Hata bado nikali NINAYO MENGI ya kuwaambia, LAKINI HAMWEZI KUYASTAHIMILI hivi sasa. [13]Lakini yeye atakapokuja, huyo Roho wa kweli, ATAWAONGOZA awatie kwenye kweli yote; kwa maana hatanena kwa shauri lake mwenyewe, lakini yote atakayoyasikia atayanena, na mambo yajayo atawapasha habari yake. [14]YEYE ATANITUKUZA MIMI, KWAKUA ATATWAA KATIKA YALIO YANGU NA KUWAPASHA HABARI. [15] NA YOTE ALIYONAYO BABA NI YANGU; kwa hiyo NALISEMA ya kwamba atatwaa katika yaliyo yangu, na kuwapasheni habari. Huzuni Itageuka kuwa Furaha [16]Bado kitambo kidogo nanyi hamnioni; na tena bado kitambo kidogo nanyi mtaniona.

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Unaweza ukaona kutukuzwa kwa Yesu Kristo sio jambo limetokea kwa bahati mbaya.

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Hebu ninukuu ulichokiandika;
Yohana 16:12-16
[12]Hata bado nikali NINAYO MENGI ya kuwaambia, LAKINI HAMWEZI KUYASTAHIMILI hivi sasa. [13]Lakini yeye atakapokuja, huyo Roho wa kweli, ATAWAONGOZA awatie kwenye kweli yote; kwa maana hatanena kwa shauri lake mwenyewe, lakini yote atakayoyasikia atayanena, na mambo yajayo atawapasha habari yake. [14]YEYE ATANITUKUZA MIMI, KWAKUA ATATWAA KATIKA YALIO YANGU NA KUWAPASHA HABARI.

Naomba nikutafsirie hayo uliyoandika mwenyewe kama ifuatavyo:

Nafikiri unaelewa maana ya YEYE na MIMI. YEYE inamaana ni Third party person yaani mtu mwengine nisiyekuwa MIMI. Sasa hapo Yesu kasema YEYE ATAKAPOKUJA HUYO ROHO WA KWELI, hapo kwa tafsiri fasaha Yesu alikuwa hajizungumzii binasfi bali anamtaja kuwa HUYO atakayekuja. Ya maana ni mtu mwengine. Akaendelea na kusema HUYO ROHO WA KWELI ATANENA SIO KWA SHAURI LAKE MWENYEWE BALI YALE ALIYOYASIKIA. Hapo anamaanisha Huyo ROHO mtu atazungumza yale ALIYOAMRISHWA KUZUNGUMZA na nani??? Anayeamrisha ni nani???? Ni MUNGU PEKE. Yaani huyo ROHO atawafikishia watu ujumbe kutoka kwa MUNGU. Akaendelea zaidi na kusema kwamba ATAWAPASHA NA MAMBO YAJAYO, inamaana huyo ROHO atatuhabarisha pia FUTURE. Nafikiri tuko pamoja.

Akaendelea 14 kwa kusema YEYE(third party parson) ATANITUKUZA MIMI(ameashiria nafsi yake). Yaani huyo ROHO atakapofika atamtukuza YESU. Yaani atazungumza Mazuri kuhusiana na YESU. Huko ndiko kumtukuza mtu. Kumtaja mtu kwa sifa kubwa. Akaendelea na kusema huyo ROHO ATATWAA KATIKA YALIO YANGU, neno KUTWAA limetokana na neno KUTWIKA yaani ni KUBEBA mzigo uliokuwa chini. KUTWAA YALIYO YA YESU, inamaana YESU ALITUA huo mzigo,ya maanisha aliondoka na kuiwacha hiyo kazi ya kulingania watu na ROHO mtakatifu alipokuja ALIUTWAA mzigo huo, ya maana aliendeleza majukumu ya YESU ya kulingania watu. Hapo Hakuna tafsiri nyingine ya maneno ya YESU.

Ndiyo maana nimekuuliza hapo YESU anamzungumzia nani???? Hilo jibu bado hukunipa. Ni wazi kuwa hajizungumzii yeye mwenyewe.

Pia Yesu alijua kuwa hayo maneno hamutayaamini na ndiyo maana mwanzoni akasema kuwa atakayoyasema hamutaweza kustahmili yaani kuyakubali au kuyavumilia. Hamutaweza kumkubali huyo MTU anayemzungumzia YESU. Sasa wewe kama muumini wa YESU basi mtafute huyo mtu ni nani ambaye YESU amemtukuza kwa kumuita ROHO.

Mimi nakurahisishia. Hapo YESU alikuwa anamzungumzia Mtume MUHAMMED. Kwa sifa aliyotoa YESU Mtume Muhammed peke ndiyo ana FIT IN THE DISCRIPTION Of Jesus.

Zingatia sababu zifuatavyo;
1. Mtume Mohammad ndiye Mtume peke aliyekuja baada ya YESU.

2. Mtume Mohammad peke ndiyo amemtukuza YESU kwenye Quran.

3. Mtu Mohammad amezungumza yote Yale aliamrishwa na MUNGU na hazungumzia fikra zake. Yaani amefikisha ujumbe kikamilifu kama YESU alivyosema kuwa HUYO ROHO WA KWELI ATANENA SIO KWA SHAURI LAKE MWENYEWE BALI YALE ALIYOYASIKIA.

4. Mtume Muhammad ndiyo aliyezungumzia FUTURE kama YESU alivyosema ATAWAPASHA NA MAMBO YAJAYO. Quran contains lots of future information beyond human knowledge.

5. Mtume Muhammad peke ndiyo aliyekuja kutuongoza ulimwengu wote. Kaja YESU alivyosema ATAWAONGOZA awatie kwenye kweli yote.

6. Mtume Muhammad peke ndiyo aliyefanya kazi aliyoiwacha Yesu is kulingania watu hadi kufika hapa tulipo. Kaja YESU alivyosema kuwa ROHO ATATWAA KATIKA YALIO YANGU.

7. Halafu la mwisho ni kwanza YESU alijua kuwa hamutomkubali Mtume ndiyo maana akaanza na kusema kuwa alikuwa na MENGI ya kuwaambia, LAKINI HAMWEZI KUYASTAHIMILI hivi sasa. Hayo maneno hata kwenye Quran yapo hivyo hivyo;
Al-Qur'an Chapter 61 Verse 6:
"And remember, Jesus, the son of Mary, said, 'O Children of Israel! I am the messenger of Allah (sent) to you, confirming the Law (which came) before me and giving glad tidings of a messenger to come after me, whose name shall be Ahmed.' But when he came to them with clear signs, they said, 'This is evident sorcery!' "

Ushauri wangu. Fanyia kazi hii information. Sio lazima ujibu tu kwa njia ya ushindani. Hapa tunaelimishana. Nenda fanya research yako vizuri upate kujua ukweli halisi.

Ujio wa Mtume Muhammad umenukuliwa sehemu nyingi kwenye bible;
1. John chapter 14 verse 16: "And I will pray the Father, and he shall give you another Comforter, that he may abide with you forever."

2. Gospel of John chapter 15 verse 26:
"But when the Comforter is come, whom I will send unto you from the Father, even the Spirit of truth, which
proceedeth from the Father, he shall testify of me."

3. Gospel of John chapter 16 verse 7:

"Nevertheless I tell you the truth; it is expedient for you that I go away: for if I go not away, the Comforter will not
come unto you; but if I depart, I will send him unto you".

Ahmed" or "Muhammad" meaning "the one who praises" or "the praised one" is almost the translation of the
Greek word Periclytos. In the Gospel of John 14:16, 15:26, and 16:7. The word 'Comforter' is used in the English translation for the Greek word Paracletos which means advocate or a kind friend rather than a comforter.
Paracletos is the warped reading for Periclytos. Jesus (pbuh) actually prophesised Ahmed by name. Even the
Greek word Paraclete refers to the Prophet (pbuh) who is a mercy for all creatures.
Some Christians say that the Comforter mentioned in these prophecies refers to the Holy Sprit. They fail to realise
that the prophecy clearly says that only if Jesus (pbuh) departs will the Comforter come. The Bible states that the
Holy Spirit was already present on earth before and during the time of Jesus (pbuh), in the womb of Elizabeth, and again when Jesus (pbuh) was being baptised, etc. Hence this prophecy refers to none other than Prophet Muhammad (pbuh).

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BigBros · Sep 4, 2018

2013 said:
Gavana ni mtu anaye copy maandiko yaliokatwa ili kutengeneza maana atakazo akiunganisha na theology ya mwandishi husika ili kulazimisha maana.
Kisha anafanya kua kila mtu anaamini kwa mlolongo atakao.

Na akitaka kuaminika ana post makala ndefu kama gazeti ili watu wasisome na kumpa majibu. Ambapo hataki asikie upande wa pili.

Hua hajishughulishi kuelezea chochote kuhusu Koran yake na kile anachoamini.

Kitu kimoja kinamuumiza ni kua anayoyakopi hajawahi kuona yakifundishwa kwa Wakristo kama vile atakavyo au kama mfumo wa maisha yao.

Sasa akishaona hivyo anaamua sasa kushambulia viongozi wa dini masuala ya ushoga nk. Ili ajisikie nafuu. Ila hana base yoyote.

Kwa mfano hawezi kubisha kua Injili isihubiriwe dunia nzima. Kwakua Wakati Hata Quran inalitambua Hilo.

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Lazima ujiulize kuwa Biblia hiyo hiyo ina maandiko mawili tofauti katika suala la Ujio wa Yesu. Unafahamu kuwa Yesu amenukuliwa kuwa Ujio wale ni kwa wana wa Israili pekee na pia hapo hapo kuna maandiko ya Kuwa Yesu umekuja kwa ulimwengu mzima. Hapo tayari ni dhahiri kuna utata katika Biblia. Yaani Bible carries contradicting information. Hivyo insababisha take kuhoji ukweli wa Biblia. Kwani maneno ya MUNGU hayawezi kugongana. Asa tunajiuliza Je Biblia ni Maneno ya MUNGU?

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mgen · Sep 4, 2018

BigBros said:
Hebu ninukuu ulichokiandika;
Yohana 16:12-16
[12]Hata bado nikali NINAYO MENGI ya kuwaambia, LAKINI HAMWEZI KUYASTAHIMILI hivi sasa. [13]Lakini yeye atakapokuja, huyo Roho wa kweli, ATAWAONGOZA awatie kwenye kweli yote; kwa maana hatanena kwa shauri lake mwenyewe, lakini yote atakayoyasikia atayanena, na mambo yajayo atawapasha habari yake. [14]YEYE ATANITUKUZA MIMI, KWAKUA ATATWAA KATIKA YALIO YANGU NA KUWAPASHA HABARI.

Naomba nikutafsirie hayo uliyoandika mwenyewe kama ifuatavyo:

Nafikiri unaelewa maana ya YEYE na MIMI. YEYE inamaana ni Third party person yaani mtu mwengine nisiyekuwa MIMI. Sasa hapo Yesu kasema YEYE ATAKAPOKUJA HUYO ROHO WA KWELI, hapo kwa tafsiri fasaha Yesu alikuwa hajizungumzii binasfi bali anamtaja kuwa HUYO atakayekuja. Ya maana ni mtu mwengine. Akaendelea na kusema HUYO ROHO WA KWELI ATANENA SIO KWA SHAURI LAKE MWENYEWE BALI YALE ALIYOYASIKIA. Hapo anamaanisha Huyo ROHO mtu atazungumza yale ALIYOAMRISHWA KUZUNGUMZA na nani??? Anayeamrisha ni nani???? Ni MUNGU PEKE. Yaani huyo ROHO atawafikishia watu ujumbe kutoka kwa MUNGU. Akaendelea zaidi na kusema kwamba ATAWAPASHA NA MAMBO YAJAYO, inamaana huyo ROHO atatuhabarisha pia FUTURE. Nafikiri tuko pamoja.

Akaendelea 14 kwa kusema YEYE(third party parson) ATANITUKUZA MIMI(ameashiria nafsi yake). Yaani huyo ROHO atakapofika atamtukuza YESU. Yaani atazungumza Mazuri kuhusiana na YESU. Huko ndiko kumtukuza mtu. Kumtaja mtu kwa sifa kubwa. Akaendelea na kusema huyo ROHO ATATWAA KATIKA YALIO YANGU, neno KUTWAA limetokana na neno KUTWIKA yaani ni KUBEBA mzigo uliokuwa chini. KUTWAA YALIYO YA YESU, inamaana YESU ALITUA huo mzigo,ya maanisha aliondoka na kuiwacha hiyo kazi ya kulingania watu na ROHO mtakatifu alipokuja ALIUTWAA mzigo huo, ya maana aliendeleza majukumu ya YESU ya kulingania watu. Hapo Hakuna tafsiri nyingine ya maneno ya YESU.

Ndiyo maana nimekuuliza hapo YESU anamzungumzia nani???? Hilo jibu bado hukunipa. Ni wazi kuwa hajizungumzii yeye mwenyewe.

Pia Yesu alijua kuwa hayo maneno hamutayaamini na ndiyo maana mwanzoni akasema kuwa atakayoyasema hamutaweza kustahmili yaani kuyakubali au kuyavumilia. Hamutaweza kumkubali huyo MTU anayemzungumzia YESU. Sasa wewe kama muumini wa YESU basi mtafute huyo mtu ni nani ambaye YESU amemtukuza kwa kumuita ROHO.

Mimi nakurahisishia. Hapo YESU alikuwa anamzungumzia Mtume MUHAMMED. Kwa sifa aliyotoa YESU Mtume Muhammed peke ndiyo ana FIT IN THE DISCRIPTION Of Jesus.

Zingatia sababu zifuatavyo;
1. Mtume Mohammad ndiye Mtume peke aliyekuja baada ya YESU.

2. Mtume Mohammad peke ndiyo amemtukuza YESU kwenye Quran.

3. Mtu Mohammad amezungumza yote Yale aliamrishwa na MUNGU na hazungumzia fikra zake. Yaani amefikisha ujumbe kikamilifu kama YESU alivyosema kuwa HUYO ROHO WA KWELI ATANENA SIO KWA SHAURI LAKE MWENYEWE BALI YALE ALIYOYASIKIA.

4. Mtume Muhammad ndiyo aliyezungumzia FUTURE kama YESU alivyosema ATAWAPASHA NA MAMBO YAJAYO. Quran contains lots of future information beyond human knowledge.

5. Mtume Muhammad peke ndiyo aliyekuja kutuongoza ulimwengu wote. Kaja YESU alivyosema ATAWAONGOZA awatie kwenye kweli yote.

6. Mtume Muhammad peke ndiyo aliyefanya kazi aliyoiwacha Yesu is kulingania watu hadi kufika hapa tulipo. Kaja YESU alivyosema kuwa ROHO ATATWAA KATIKA YALIO YANGU.

7. Halafu la mwisho ni kwanza YESU alijua kuwa hamutomkubali Mtume ndiyo maana akaanza na kusema kuwa alikuwa na MENGI ya kuwaambia, LAKINI HAMWEZI KUYASTAHIMILI hivi sasa. Hayo maneno hata kwenye Quran yapo hivyo hivyo;
Al-Qur'an Chapter 61 Verse 6:
"And remember, Jesus, the son of Mary, said, 'O Children of Israel! I am the messenger of Allah (sent) to you, confirming the Law (which came) before me and giving glad tidings of a messenger to come after me, whose name shall be Ahmed.' But when he came to them with clear signs, they said, 'This is evident sorcery!' "

Ushauri wangu. Fanyia kazi hii information. Sio lazima ujibu tu kwa njia ya ushindani. Hapa tunaelimishana. Nenda fanya research yako vizuri upate kujua ukweli halisi.

Ujio wa Mtume Muhammad umenukuliwa sehemu nyingi kwenye bible;
1. John chapter 14 verse 16: "And I will pray the Father, and he shall give you another Comforter, that he may abide with you forever."

2. Gospel of John chapter 15 verse 26:
"But when the Comforter is come, whom I will send unto you from the Father, even the Spirit of truth, which
proceedeth from the Father, he shall testify of me."

3. Gospel of John chapter 16 verse 7:

"Nevertheless I tell you the truth; it is expedient for you that I go away: for if I go not away, the Comforter will not
come unto you; but if I depart, I will send him unto you".

Ahmed" or "Muhammad" meaning "the one who praises" or "the praised one" is almost the translation of the
Greek word Periclytos. In the Gospel of John 14:16, 15:26, and 16:7. The word 'Comforter' is used in the English translation for the Greek word Paracletos which means advocate or a kind friend rather than a comforter.
Paracletos is the warped reading for Periclytos. Jesus (pbuh) actually prophesised Ahmed by name. Even the
Greek word Paraclete refers to the Prophet (pbuh) who is a mercy for all creatures.
Some Christians say that the Comforter mentioned in these prophecies refers to the Holy Sprit. They fail to realise
that the prophecy clearly says that only if Jesus (pbuh) departs will the Comforter come. The Bible states that the
Holy Spirit was already present on earth before and during the time of Jesus (pbuh), in the womb of Elizabeth, and again when Jesus (pbuh) was being baptised, etc. Hence this prophecy refers to none other than Prophet Muhammad (pbuh).

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Toa hii khutba iliyo jaa mahaba ipeleke masjidi kwenye watu kama wewe ukaambulie takbir [emoji12] hebu soma hizi verses [emoji117] sasa na tutafakari kwa pamoja [emoji4] mstari wa 16 [emoji117] kuanzia, allah, jiburilu, majini na waislamu wootee duniani hawaamini Yesu ana baba! Sio? Huyo msaidizi ambaye Yesu Atatuombea toka kwa Baba yake Atakaa nasi MILELE! kama ndiye baba kassim hatuko naye amesha KUFA! Ndivyo?? Mstari Wa.17 [emoji117] Yesu anasema huyo Msaidizi ni Roho wa kweli Ambaye kwa macho ya nyama haonekani! baba kassim alionekana hata Yahudi laabid alipo mloga, wakati alipo muua yule mama wa mashairi kwa kumfunga miguu tofauti na farasi na kumchana [emoji117] ....yeye sio ROHO! au unaonaje weye? Huyo ROHO Atakaa NDANI YA Wafuasi Wa YESU [emoji106] baba kassim alipo ulizwa na Wafuasi wake Kuhusu Roho allah akajibu [emoji117] baba kassim Yupo hapo [emoji15] [emoji47]

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Scars · Sep 4, 2018

Kiranga said:
Na wewe unafurahi, umekubali Quran ina uongo?

Hahaha

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Gavana · Sep 4, 2018

mgen said:
Toa hii khutba iliyo jaa mahaba ipeleke masjidi kwenye watu kama wewe ukaambulie takbir [emoji12] hebu soma hizi verses [emoji117] View attachment 856694sasa na tutafakari kwa pamoja [emoji4] mstari wa 16 [emoji117] kuanzia, allah, jiburilu, majini na waislamu wootee duniani hawaamini Yesu ana baba! Sio? Huyo msaidizi ambaye Yesu Atatuombea toka kwa Baba yake Atakaa nasi MILELE! kama ndiye baba kassim hatuko naye amesha KUFA! Ndivyo?? Mstari Wa.17 [emoji117] Yesu anasema huyo Msaidizi ni Roho wa kweli Ambaye kwa macho ya nyama haonekani! baba kassim alionekana hata Yahudi laabid alipo mloga, wakati alipo muua yule mama wa mashairi kwa kumfunga miguu tofauti na farasi na kumchana [emoji117] View attachment 856720 View attachment 856725....yeye sio ROHO! au unaonaje weye? Huyo ROHO Atakaa NDANI YA Wafuasi Wa YESU [emoji106] baba kassim alipo ulizwa na Wafuasi wake Kuhusu Roho allah akajibu [emoji117] View attachment 856728 baba kassim Yupo hapo [emoji15] [emoji47]

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Lakini huyo Msaidizi, huyo Roho Mtakatifu, ambaye Baba atampeleka kwa jina langu, atawafundisha yote niliyowaambia.

“Ni kipi kile ambacho Roho Mtakatifu ameleta au kufundisha kwa miaka 2000 iliyopita ambacho Yesu na mitume waliopita hawakufundisha?

Nyinyi Wakristo mnasema kwamba Msaidizi maana yake ni Roho Mtakatifu(Yohana 14:26)

Yesu alisema katika Yohana 16:7-8.

“Lakini mimi nawaambia iliyo kweli; yawafaa ninyi mimi niondoke; kwa maana mimi nisipoondoka, huyo Msaidizi hatakuja kwenu;”

Hii haiwezi kumaanisha Roho Mtakatifu; kwa vile Roho Mtakatifu inasemekana kwamba alikuwepo hata kabla ya Yesu hajazaliwa kama ilivyo katika Luka 1:41 “Elisabeti akajazwa Roho Mtakatifu”.

Hapa, Roho Mtakatifu vile vile alikuwepo wakati wa Yesu: sasa vipi hii imaanishe kwamba ni sharti aondoke Yesu ndipo Roho Mtakatifu aweze kuja?

Katika Yohana 16:7-8, inasema; “Bali mimi nikienda zangu, nitampeleka kwenu. Naye akiisha kuja, huyo atauhakikisha ulimwengu kwa habari ya dhambi, na haki, na hukumu.”

Je, hii “Yeye” hapa inamaanisha nini?

Je, viwakilishi hivyo havimaanishi mtu mwanamume?

Je, Roho Mtakatifu anazungumza na Wakristo wema na waovu vile vile?

Je, Roho Mtakatifu yu pamoja nao wakati wote au wakati fulani tu?

Je, ni wakati gani anaanza kumtembelea mtu atakaye kuwa Mkristo?

Utasemaje kuwa wewe ni Mkristo ikiwa Roho Mtakatifu yu ndani ya Mkristo mwingine?

Inakuwaje Wakristo wengi wanawapumbaza watu kwa kudai kwamba Roho Mtakatifu yu ndani yao tu! Na baadaye wanabadilisha dini?

Je, Roho Mtakatifu anaamuru kile ambacho Wakristo wanapaswa kukifanya bila ya uhuru wa kuchagua hata kidogo au anawaongoza tu na wao wana uhuru wa kufuata au kuto fuata?

Ikiwa Roho Mtakatifu anaamuru kile Wakristo wanachopaswa kukifanya, kwa nini Wakristo wanafanya maovu na madhambi?

Vipi unaweza kuuelezea ubadilishaji wa dini na kuingia dini na imani mbali mbali kunakofanywa na Wakristo wengi?

Je, Wanaambiwa kufanya hayo na Roho Mtakatifu?

Ikiwa Roho Mtakatifu anawaongoza Wakristo tu, na wako huru kufanya wanavyotaka, sasa ni vipi tutajua kwamba waandishi wa Biblia hawakufanya makosa wakati walipoziandika?

Ikiwa Wakristo wanaamini kwamba Roho Mtakatifu huwajia na kuzungumza nao kila siku, kwanini hawamuulizi Roho Mtakatifu kuhusu chapisho lipi la Biblia wanalopaswa kulifuata kwa vile kuna machapisho mengi?

Gavana · Sep 4, 2018

mgen said:
Kweli umelaaniwa [emoji83] Hivi hili Andiko [emoji117] View attachment 856258 hujaiona hadi Unasubiri INJILI nyingine kama ilivyo hubiriwa na gavana [emoji53] ona sasa laana ilivyo kuvaa hadi unaongea ongea peke yako kando ya reli [emoji15] [emoji4] endelea tu kuhubiri INJILI nyingine [emoji15]

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PAULO NI MPINZANI WA YESU

Yesu alisema:

1. Katika njia ya Mataifa msiende. (Mathayo 10:5). Lakini Paulo akafundisha:

A. Nimekabidhiwa Injili ya wasiotahiriwa. (Wagalatia 2:7, maandishi ya Paulo).

B. Amewafungulia mataifa mlango wa imani. (Matendo ya Mitume 14:27).

2. Yesu alitahiriwa sku ya 8 (Luka 2:21). Yohana alitahiriwa siku ya 8 (Luka 1:59). Paulo alitahiriwa siku
ya 8 (Wafilipi 3:5) Lakini yeye mwenyewe alipinga kutahiriwa (Wagalatia 5:2-6).

Yesu alisema:

3. Msidhani kuwa nalikuja kuitangua Torati au manabii; la, sikuja kutangua, bali kutimiliza. Kwa maana, amin, nawaambia, mpaka mbingu na nchi zitakapoondoka, yodi moja wala nukta moja ya Torati haitaondoka, hata yote yatimie. Basi mtu yeyote atakayevunja amri moja katika hizi zilizo ndogo, na kuwafundisha watu hivyo, ataitwa mdogo kabisa katika ufalme wa mbinguni; bali mtu atayezitenda na kuzifundisha , huyo ataitwa mkubwa katika ufalme wa mbinguni. Maana nawaambia ya kwamba, Haki yenu isipozidi hiyo haki ya waandishi na Mafarisayo, hamtaingia kamwe katika ufalme wa mbinguni. (Mathayo 5:17-20).

Lakini Paulo anasema:

Sheria ni laana. (Wagalatia 2:16-21, 3:10-13). Warumi 7: yote).

4. Bwana Yesu alisema:
Msichukuwe dhahabu, wala fedha, wala mapesa mifukoni mwenu: (Mathayo 10:9).

Hivyo Wakristo wale ambao wanakusanya mali ni Ma (AntiChrist).

5. Bwana Yesu alisema: Lakini mimi nawaambia msishindane na mtu mwovu; lakini mtu akupigaye shavu la kuume mgeuzie na la pili. Na mtu atakaye kukushitaki na kuitwaa kanzu yako, mwachie na joho pia. (Mathayo 5:39-40). Hivyo Wakristo wale ambao
wanagombana ni Madajjal (Ant Christ).

6. Yesu pia alikataza kuitwa Kristo: Ndipo alipowakataza wanafunzi wake wasimwambie mtu yeyote kwamba yeye ndiye Kristo. (Mathayo 16:20).

Hivyo Wakristo ambao wanatangaza kwamba Yesu ndiye Kristo ni Ma (Ant Christ).

7. Kwa maana nalikuja kumfitini mtu na babaye, na binti na mamaye, na mkwe na mkwe mtu. (Mathayo 10:35, Luka 14:26, 12:51, 5:2)

Hivyo Wakristo ambao wanapenda amani wala hawatumii upanga ni Ma (Anti Christ).

Gavana · Sep 4, 2018

2013 said:
Islam is the most dipolar religion.
Regarding to verses of Medina VS Meccan verses.

The most evil teachings that lingering till today are as follows

Stoning:

Quran – 24.2, 7.84, 27.58, Bukhari 6827, Muslim 1696a

Slavery and Taking Females Captive:

Quran – 23.5-6, 33.50, 33.26, 70.29-30, Bukhari 7263, 6161, 5191

Rape women:

Quran – 23.5-6, 33.50, 33.26, 70.29-30

Intolerance and Hatred and Bigotry:

Quran – 3.85, 3.19, 8.39, 48.28, 98.6

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All these Teachings contradict the TRUE TEACHINGS OF JESUS CHRIST

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What Would Jesus Do?

Advocate child abuse, murder, and other cruelties.

Christians are always claiming, “he’s the lamb”, “our savior”, “the king of peace”, “the embodiment of love”, and many other names they associate with a loving, merciful nature. Jesus a nice guy? Not in my book. Nor in any other person’s who is capable of compassion and rationality. Let’s examine who the hell the Jesus character really is. These verses will show not only that Jesus’ loving nature a joke but so are the Christians who worship him.

Jesus’ real mission to come to earth

Jesus says that he has come to destroy families by making family members hate each other. He has “come not to send peace, but a sword.” Matthew 10:34

Jesus says, “Don’t imagine that I came to bring peace on earth! No, rather a sword lf you love your father, mother, sister, brother, more than me, you are not worthy of being mine.
“The real beauty of this verse is that Jesus demands people truly love him more then they love their own family. I ask you how can we love someone that we can not see or interact with? Love is an emotion pertaining to physical existence not to faithful ideologies, yet God threatens you with death just because your love for your mother maybe stronger than your love for him. (Matthew 10:34)

Families will be torn apart because of Jesus. “Brother shall deliver up the brother to death, and the father the child: and the children shall rise up against their parents, and cause them to be put to death.” (Matthew 10:21)

Jesus strongly approves of the law and the prophets. He hasn’t the slightest objection to the cruelties of the Old Testament. (Matthew 5:17)

Jesus advocates murder and death

Jesus condemns entire cities to dreadful deaths and to the eternal torment of hell because they didn’t care for his preaching. (Matthew 11:20)

Jesus, whose clothes are dipped in blood, has a sharp sword sticking out of his mouth. Thus attired, he treads the winepress of the wrath of God. (The winepress is the actual press that humans shall be put into so that we may be ground up.) (Revelations 19:13-15)

The beast and the false prophet are cast alive into a lake of fire. The rest of us, the unchosen, will be killed with the sword of Jesus. “An all the fowls were filled with their flesh.” Revelations (19:20-21)

Jesus says he is the only way to salvation yet he purposely disillusions us so that we will go to hell

Jesus explains that the reason he speaks in parables is so that no one will understand him, lest . . . they . . . should understand . . . and should be converted, and I should heal them. (Matthew 13:10-15)

Jesus explains why he speaks in parables to confuse people so they will go to hell. (Mark 4:11-12)

Jesus advocates child abuse

Jesus is criticized by the Pharisees for not washing his hands before eating. He defends himself by attacking them for not killing disobedient children according to the commandment: He that curseth father or mother, let him die the death. (Matthew 15:4-7)

Abandon your wife and children for Jesus and he’ll give your a big reward. Jesus asks that his followers abandon their children to follow him. To leave your child is abuse, it’s called neglect, pure and simple. (Matthew 19:29)

Jesus criticizes the Jews for not killing their disobedient children according to Old Testament law. (Mark 7:9)

A few other things about Jesus

Jesus says that those who have been less fortunate in this life will have it even worse in the life to come. (Mark 4:25)

Jesus sends the devils into 2000 pigs, causing them to jump off a cliff and be drowned in the sea. Clearly Jesus could have simply sent the devils out, yet he chose instead to place them into pigs and kill them. This is called animal abuse. (Mark 5:12-13)

Jesus kills a fig tree for not bearing figs, even though it was out of season. Jesus must not be as smart as Christians would have us believe, for he was dumb enough to do something this silly. You’d think the son of god (god incarnate) would know that trees don’t bear fruit in dry season. (Mark 11:13)

Jesus okays beating slaves. (Luke 12:47)

Gavana · Sep 4, 2018

2013 said:
Playing in you're own tune and dancing to the Music. Pretend to be a good dancer! How is that feel?!.

You're contamplating with the parables and make a false confesion to fool the gullibles.

Jesus once said: "by their Fruits ye shall know them"

It is moongod who proudly and self proclaimed to be known as father of all Lies.
Taqiyah is all that he bests at...

As he planned to roast most of you in hell fire and let the very few to his brothel like paradise. its a ratio of 1:73 baby.[emoji12]

In fact he never said what he will do with Jewish and Christians. Since in every people there is a Messenger.

But allah never mentioned anything to Children in his brothel?.

According to Shekh Farsy Jinns are Satan childrens. So its obvious that allah is satan who plotted his own prophet with satanic verses to delude the quraysh people.

"Like Jesus said, by their fruits ye shall know em.".

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Jesus Lied

Jesus Lied About Prayer

Jesus is quoted many times in the Bible saying that a believer can ask for anything through prayer and receive it.
He even goes so far as to say that mountains and trees can be thrown into the sea simply by praying for it.
This is clearly a lie, and can be proven to be a lie by any believer.
Simply pray for me to be converted to Christianity right away. Or better yet ask God to move the mountains behind my house. He could make a lot of converts that way. If I’m converted today, I’ll post a public apology on my web site and devote my life to kissing God’s ass. If I’m not converted it would only be fair for you to apologize and devote your life to kissing my butt.
Here are the quotes from Jesus that proves that he lied:

1) And Jesus answered and said to them, “Truly I say to you, if you have faith and do not doubt, you will not only do what was done to the fig tree, but even if you say to this mountain, `Be taken up and cast into the sea,’ it will happen. “And all things you ask in prayer, believing, you will receive.” (Matthew 21:21-22 NAS)

2) Ask and it will be given to you; seek and you will find; knock and the door will be opened to you. For everyone who asks, receives; and the one who seeks, finds; and to the one who knocks, the door will be opened. (Matthew 7:7-8 NAB)

3) Again I say to you, that if two of you agree on earth about anything that they may ask, it shall be done for them by My Father who is in heaven. For where two or three have gathered together in My name, I am there in their midst. (Matthew 18:19-20 NAS)

4) Amen, I say to you, whoever says to this mountain, ‘Be lifted up and thrown into the sea,’ and does not doubt in his heart but believes that what he says will happen, it shall be done for him. Therefore I tell you, all that you ask for in prayer, believe that you will receive it and it shall be yours. (Mark 11:24-25 NAB)

5) And I tell you, ask and you will receive; seek and you will find; knock and the door will be opened to you. For everyone who asks, receives; and the one who seeks, finds; and to the one who knocks, the door will be opened. (Luke 11:9-13 NAB)

6) And whatever you ask in my name, I will do, so that the Father may be glorified in the Son. If you ask anything of me in my name, I will do it. (John 14:13-14 NAB)

7) If you remain in me and my words remain in you, ask for whatever you want and it will be done for you. (John 15:7 NAB)

8) It was not you who chose me, but I who chose you and appointed you to go and bear fruit that will remain, so that whatever you ask the Father in my name he may give you. (John 15:16 NAB)

9) On that day you will not question me about anything. Amen, amen, I say to you, whatever you ask the Father in my name he will give you. Until now you have not asked anything in my name; ask and you will receive, so that your joy may be complete. (John 16:23-24 NAB)

A lot of Christians ignore what Jesus actually says in the Bible.

They also tend to add things to the actual words to make them say something else.

If you honestly and truthfully read these quotes, without adding to them, it is very easy to see that Jesus is not saying that God will think about your prayers. He says God will grant all your prayers.

Clearly, God doesn’t grant all prayers and this proves that Jesus was a habitual liar.

BigBros · Sep 5, 2018

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Toa hii khutba iliyo jaa mahaba ipeleke masjidi kwenye watu kama wewe ukaambulie takbir [emoji12] hebu soma hizi verses [emoji117] View attachment 856694sasa na tutafakari kwa pamoja [emoji4] mstari wa 16 [emoji117] kuanzia, allah, jiburilu, majini na waislamu wootee duniani hawaamini Yesu ana baba! Sio? Huyo msaidizi ambaye Yesu Atatuombea toka kwa Baba yake Atakaa nasi MILELE! kama ndiye baba kassim hatuko naye amesha KUFA! Ndivyo?? Mstari Wa.17 [emoji117] Yesu anasema huyo Msaidizi ni Roho wa kweli Ambaye kwa macho ya nyama haonekani! baba kassim alionekana hata Yahudi laabid alipo mloga, wakati alipo muua yule mama wa mashairi kwa kumfunga miguu tofauti na farasi na kumchana [emoji117] View attachment 856720 View attachment 856725....yeye sio ROHO! au unaonaje weye? Huyo ROHO Atakaa NDANI YA Wafuasi Wa YESU [emoji106] baba kassim alipo ulizwa na Wafuasi wake Kuhusu Roho allah akajibu [emoji117] View attachment 856728 baba kassim Yupo hapo [emoji15] [emoji47]

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sasa na tutafakari kwa pamoja [emoji4] mstari wa 16 [emoji117] kuanzia, allah, jiburilu, majini na waislamu wootee duniani hawaamini Yesu ana baba! Sio? : Nitakujibu hili kwa kiingereza. Soma na ujaribu kuelewa.

Luke 22:70, Gospel
Then they all said, "Are you then the son of God?" And [Jesus] said to them, "You say that I am."

[emoji121]️[emoji121]️YESU aliulizwa kama Yeye ni mtoto wa MUNGU, akawajibu kuwa nyinyi ndiyo munaniita hivyo. Yaani YESU mwenyewe hakusema kuwa YEYE ni mtoto wa MUNGU kana kwamba MUNGU kazaa. Kama YESU ni kweli mtoto wa MUNGU kama nyinyi muvyoamini basi hapo YESU angeitikia NDIYO. Lakini hakuitikia hivyo.

Tutazame John 20:17, Gospel
[And indeed He is] my Father, and your Father [Creator]; and my God, and your God."

Hapo inamaanisha kama Yesu ni mtoto wa MUNGU basi hata wewe na mimi sote ni watoto wa MUNGU. Inamaanisha katika Bilblia YESU anaposema baba haina Maana kuwa MUNGU ni baba yake mzazi. Anamaanisha kuwa MUNGU ni mlezi wake na pia ni mlezi wetu sote. Kwa hiyo sisi sote ni watoto wa MUNGU na sio YESU peke yake. Hayo maneno sisemi Mimi bali Biblia yako mwenyewe ndiyo inasema hivyo kama nilivyonukuu.

Hapo pia YESU anaelimisha kuwa My GOD(MUNGU wangu) and your GOD(MUNGU wenu); Yaani yeye mwenyewe kajitoa na hayupo katika sifa ya kuwa MUNGU bali Baba yake na ndiyo Baba yetu sote ndiyo MUUMBA(Creator), Yaani MUNGU. Kwa hiyo YESU ameshakwambia katika Biblia yako wazi kabisa kuwa YEYE sio MUNGU. Tafadhali kwa Hilo halina ushindani. Kama unakataa basi nipatie ushahidi wako wa YESU kusema kuwa yeye ni MUNGU kwenye Biblia. Kama hauna basi ukubali maandiko ya YESU kukana sifa ya Kuitwa MUNGU kwa kauli yake.

Huyo msaidizi ambaye Yesu Atatuombea toka kwa Baba yake Atakaa nasi MILELE!:

Umeshindwa kuelewa maana ya kukaa nasi MILELE. Hiyo haina maana kuwa hatokufa, hiyo inamaana kuwa mafundisho yake yatakaa na kuendelea kusambaa hadi mwisho wa Dunia hii. Yaani mafundisho yake yatakuwa hai na yakienea kila kona ya ulimwengu. Na pia atakuwa anatajwa kila Mara kwa midomo na moyoni mwa waumini. Yaani mafundisho yake na vitendo vya huyo ROHO vitakuwa hai. Hivyo ndiyo maana ya kuishi MILELE. Ni kweli maneno ya YESU hiyo ndiyo sifa ya Mtume Muhammad.

Sasa wacha nikupe hii kidogo ili ifunguwe ubongo wako;

Katika John 24 Nanukuu YESU kusema; "I told you that you would die in your sins; if you do not believe that I am he, you will indeed die in your sins.”

YESU anasema kuwa mutakufa na Madhambi endapo hamutaamini " I AM HE". He ulikuwa anamaanisha nini?? Kisha katika John 28-29 akatupa tafsiri ya I AM HE;

John 28 So Jesus said, “When you have lifted upa the Son of Man, then you will know that I am he and that I do nothing on my own but speak just what the Father has taught me. 29The one who sent me is with me; he has not left me alone, for I always do what pleases him.”

'I AM HE' yamaanisha kuwa SON OF MAN, Yaani mtoto wa mtu. Sasa YESU anakwambia ukiwa hutaamini kuwa yeye ni mtoto wa MTU basi utakufa na dhambi zako. Akaendelea na kusema kuwa YEYE hafanyi chochote ila yale MUNGU aliyomtuma afanye. Na yeye ANAMRIDHISHA MUNGU WAKE. Hayo maneno kila Mtume wa MUNGU amezungumza hivyo hivyo. Hata Moses naye aliyasema hayo hayo na hata Muhammad naye aliyasema hayo hayo. Kuwa wao mitume kazi zao ni kufikisha ujumbe waliotumwa kufikisha tu. Wao sio MIUNGU wala watoto wa MIUNGU kama munavyotafsiri nyinyi.

Kwa hiyo kwa Mara nyingine YESU amekufahamisha kuwa YEYE SIO mtoto wa MUNGU bali ni mtoto wa binaadamu, Yaani yeye ni Son of Mary , na pia anakwambia wazi kabisa kuwa YEYE ni mjumbe tu na Walla sio MUNGU. Na amekutahadharisha kuwa ukiamini kinyume cha hapo utakufa na dhambi zako. Je wakiristo muko tayari kufa na dhambi zenu????

Mpaka hapo nadhani nimekuelezea vya kutosha. Tafadhali fanyia kazi hizi information upate kujua ukweli wa imani yako. Usije ukafa na dhambi zako kwani utakuwa umehasarika mno.

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kwamwewe · Sep 5, 2018

mgen said:
Ndio sababu nikikwambia hiyo khutba ipeleke msikitini kwenye watu kama wewe LAZIMA utazawadiwa takbir nyingi tu hapa watu wajanja si MAHALI pake [emoji4] sasa mbishie na hili [emoji117] View attachment 857627 baba kassimu [emoji12]

Jesus claiming to be the "Alpha and the Omega":

Question : In the Book of Revelation we find the verse, "I am the Alpha and the Omega, says the Lord God, who is and who was and who is to come, the Almighty" (Revelation 1:8). But what do you do with Revelation 22:13, which appears to be Jesus speaking (see verse 16), when he says, "I am the Alpha and the Omega, the first and the last, the beginning and the end"? Doesn't the command by Matthew's Jesus to, "Go therefore, and teach all nations, baptizing in the name of the Father, and the Son, and the Holy Spirit" (Matthew 28:19) show the existence of a triune deity.

Answer: Despite the distinctiveness with which God and Jesus are regarded in the New Testament some Christians are under the misconception that God and Jesus form two-thirds of a triune deity. Partial responsibility for this error is due to the New Testament writers, who use a number of designations for Jesus, which are the same as those given to God in the Jewish Bible and in the New Testament. The resulting confusion as to whether certain New Testament passages refer to God or to Jesus helped to produce the belief in a triune god.

That Jesus, who is considered by the New Testament writers to be the link between God and creation, is called by some of the same designations that are applied to God is understandable.

After all, the New Testament writers believed that God had conferred a tremendous amount of power upon this angelic being, so why not, as well, some of His names, which express certain facets of His being? But it is nevertheless clear that although the God of the New Testament interacts with the world He created solely through His "firstborn" (Colossians 1:15-17), the latter is still subservient to God.

Because of the exalted yet subservient position in which they envision Jesus, the New Testament writers do not believe it compromises God's status to apply some of His names to Jesus (cf. Ephesians 1:21, Philippians 2:9, Hebrews 1:4). The use of common names is not intended to indicate that Jesus is of one substance with God.

Perhaps, if "the Alpha and the Omega" in Revelations 22:13 is actually a reference to Jesus it stems from the New Testament belief that the pre-incarnate Jesus was the first thing created by God. What is significant is not so much the use of this name as the fact that whenever the relationship between God and Jesus is treated, the New Testament writers always describe God as superior to Jesus.

In any case, in verse 12 the subject of verse 13 ("the Alpha and the Omega") says he is "coming quickly." Since Jesus has not come "quickly" this is either false prophecy or the text is not speaking about Jesus.

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