Gaijin
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Chile please
Oh' Gaijin jamani... you are hurting my feelings... I feel like I know you kiduchu (najua it is of no importanced kwako and I don't care).....
Back to the matter I don't judge assuming that the person behind the avatar yupo hivo... NO! Ila I judge kua the avatar of the person posting the post in question yupo hivo. Ndio maana kuna maneno hapa jamvini kama "Wachakachuzi" "Wanasiasa" "Doctor" "Vulgar" - Unapotumia maneno kama hayo haraka kuna majina ya members huja kichwani. Kwa mfano tukitaja jf Doctor haraka jina litakuja la Member mwenye ID ya Riwa ama Mzizimkavu.... Hio jitihada za kila member ziwe chini, kati ama juu.... Hua zaonekana na hizo ndizo zatumika kumjudge hapa jamvini. Kama you don't do it - it is Ok. But others we do.....
Gainjin i think you meant "Chill" or "Chill out"?
Gainjin i think you meant "Chill" or "Chill out"?
Nakubaliana na wewe to some extent, (on lugha), lakini sidhani kama it can be much of the bigger problem that will impact or hinder our ability to achieve sustainable developments.
Nakubaliana na Asha Dii kwa kiasi kikubwa.
Tabia hiyo imeanzia chini kwa raia mmoja mmoja, kamwe hatujazowea kudai marekebisho au kukataa huduma isiyofikia viwango. Si migahawani, madukani, wala maofisini
Obviously vitu vitajirudia kwenye nyanja nyingi za maisha ya watu and the way they make their decisions in everyday lives, were there are no regulatory bodies it becomes a jungle with no guidance, people will only use their past experience to deal with those situations.Gaijin,
Haya matatizo yanatokea sehemu mbalimbali. Hili kupunguza matatizo kama haya wenzetu wanazo quality assurance methodologies.
Ni Result Oriented individuals wanaoweza kufuatilia quality assuarance na mikataba ya kisheria.
Maendeleo yepi yanayoweza kuja bila ya muongozo au njia sahihi za kukuza maendeleo, Baresa/Bakrhesa (or whatever his name is) anapeleka ngano yake mpaka nchi za ulaya sasa. Na mkulima mdogo hataweza vipi hilo bila ya mikopo iliyo sahihi au sera za serikali za kuwatafutia soko huko na wao. Point ni kwamba kuna watu hili waweze fika hatua fulani za mbele kunahitajika watu wengine wawawezeshe na kuhakikisha wanawafikisha hapo.Zakumi nionavo mimi ni kuwa kuna tatizo kubwa sana katika jamii ya wananchi wa Tanzania; achilia mbali matatizo ya uongozi. Wananchi tumekua na kasumba ya kuamini kua Maendeleo ya nchi hii yetu changa yataletwa na Uongozi wa Inchi, kwamba raisi akiwa na qualities zote za Uzalendo baaas!
Kujielezea nako inataka muda na ukitumia JF na post za watu humu ndani as the basis of your argument unakosea saaana. Kwa sababu kuna wengine uandika wakidhani wengine wana basics za hiyo argument ndio maana anaweka points kadhaa akitegemea wengine wana huwezo wa kuchambua argument yake inatokea au inaanzia wapi. Vinginevyo watu wangekua wanaandika maneno helfu moja kwenye post zao just for the sake of your argument. Nadhani wafuatiliaji wengi wangekua wameshachoka kusoma hiyo thread by the third post.Hatuwezi kuondokana na umaskini kama hatujui kujieleza. Kama hatujui kujieleza hatuwezi kupata tunachotaka. Hili linaanzia kwenye mtu mmoja mmoja na hatimae serikalini.
True, sasa mweleze Gaijin process yote hiyo ilivyo ndefu in practise hili akupate ndio sababu nasema, wakati mwingine it's easier watu wawe na hata basics. Sisemi yeye.Uchambuzi wa dira.
Nchi inaweza kuendelea bila kuwa na dira yoyote hili iwapo serikali itakuwa na sera za kutatua na kuelezea matatizo ya wananchi. Na hili hizo sera ziwe na mafanikio ni lazima ziwe na sifa zake. Kwanza ziwe zinatumika katika kipindi cha muda fulani. Pili ziwe zinategemea rasilimali za nchi. Tatu ziwe zinaweza kufanyika. Nne zishilikishe kwa namna fulani wananchi.
Donors wanapanga results zao kwa maslahi yao na sisi je watanzania? Kuna chombo gani cha kijamii au cha kijumuia kama pressure group kinachoangaika kukagua sera za serikali kuanzia kwa wafanya biashara (maana zinaweza kuwa sera za Mkullo mbovu zinazotokana na ushuru mkubwa na kufanya wafanya biashara waweke bie zao juu na mtanzania kuumia), Kuna chombo gani kinachosema wakulima hawasaidiwi hili waweze jiendeleza kupitia kilimo na kukagua sera za kilimo chetu, maana hata hizo pembejeo kuibiwa tuna subiri mwanakijiji atujuze. Kuna chombo gani wewe binafsi umewahi kusikia ina-check chochote kuhusu sera mbovu na usimamizi wake ulivyo mmbovu kinafanya kazi.Unaweza kua result oriented kama umepanga hizo results vizuri. Huku bado tunapangiwa results na donors, bila kuchunguza how SMART the objectives/results are, bila kushirikisha mtanzania wa kawaida (only viongozi are consulted). Lazima ishindikane. Hapa naongelea kipindi hiki cha IMF na world bank, sio wakati ule wa ujamaa.
Maendeleo yepi yanayoweza kuja bila ya muongozo au njia sahihi za kukuza maendeleo, Baresa/Bakrhesa (or whatever his name is) anapeleka ngano yake mpaka nchi za ulaya sasa. Na mkulima mdogo hataweza vipi hilo bila ya mikopo iliyo sahihi au sera za serikali za kuwatafutia soko huko na wao. Point ni kwamba kuna watu hili waweze fika hatua fulani za mbele kunahitajika watu wengine wawawezeshe na kuhakikisha wanawafikisha hapo.
Hio post ambayo umeni quote I was stressing on kila mmoja kucheza nafasi yake ipasavo... Kwamba it not only about viongozi pekee bali hata wananchi.... Kwamba hata kama we do have a responsible and reliable Leader kama mwananchi hachezi nafasi yake tatizo balo lipo pale pale katika eneo zima la Poverty Elimination. Hili ambalo nime kuqoute is my stand too.... Good thing nime post on the same thing mda sio mrefu in another thread katika nafasi ya Leaders.... na this was it (a paste)
.... It does not matter kua the leader in question kashindwa kufurahisha kila mtu (kwanza itakua vigumu else huyo leader ni mnafiki!). What matters ni kua huyo Leader anaweza dhibiti nafasi yake kiasi kwamba vitu kama ufisadi wa nje nje unakua hamna, matatizo kama mikataba feki inkua hamna, Kwamba aweze kua Mzalendo.... Awe na uchungu na nchi na wananchi.... na juu ya hapo awe na qualities of a Great leader who is not afraid of making major decisions hasa in relation to the Betterment of the Nation. Hapo Mzalendo believe me you..... Leader akiwa hivo ni rahisi hata kufanya kazi; kwamba hata kama ana delegate, atahakikisha kuna jopo za kweli za quality insurance kuhakikisha all inaenda ipasavo na to it's best.
Mzalendo kuwaangalia wananchi sio tu kua wahakikisha umewafanyia kila kitu.... HAIWEZEKANI! Ila kuhakikisha unawawekea wananchi wako mazingira ya kuweza weka wepesi katika maisha yao kwa kungalia yale ambayo yawagusa moja kwa moja. For instance katika nchi nyingi za Kiafrika tegemezi kubwa la majority katika taifa ni Kilimo.... Bahati nzuri nchi zote hizi zina rules, guidelines na principles ambazo in most cases ziko impressive on paper; BUT Unfortunatley hazitelekezwi ipasavo... Hakuna kusema kua Serkali ipo that interested katika soko la mazao, ama quality ya end product, ama Processing machines, ama incentives za kutosha in the sector na sio za ubabaishaji kama ilivo.... That mind you is just one of the ways ya kuweza boresha na kugusa wananchi directly....
Unaweza kua result oriented kama umepanga hizo results vizuri. Huku bado tunapangiwa results na donors, bila kuchunguza how SMART the objectives/results are, bila kushirikisha mtanzania wa kawaida (only viongozi are consulted). Lazima ishindikane. Hapa naongelea kipindi hiki cha IMF na world bank, sio wakati ule wa ujamaa.
True but that is not the whole truth, we have seen that in a grand scale such as in Greece recently. You don't have to play their ball completely, if you can give them sound economical plans and ways to repay the debt they can negotiate. Only when you put nothing on the table that is where most of the policies would be direct from them.Kipindi cha Ujamaa World Bank, IMF, Donors walitoa pesa nyingi. Na zile alama za maendeleo zilizopatikana zisingekuwepo bila misaada kutoka nje.
Lakini siku zilivyozidi kwenda, hatukuweza kujenga economic model ambayo isingetegemea misaada ya kutoka kwa wahisani au mashirika ya pesa za dunia. Hivyo baada ya kutupa pesa na kutuachia tufanye tunavyotaka, wamehamua kutupa pesa na kutuambia nini tufanye (stick and carrot approach).
Ukiwa unapewa misaada huna sababu ya kuonana na wananchi wako. Hivyo toka enzi ya ujamaa mpaka sasa tunajenga nchi kwa kujaribu tu na kutumaini kuna siku majaribio yatatiki.
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Hio post ambayo umeni quote I was stressing on kila mmoja kucheza nafasi yake ipasavo... Kwamba it not only about viongozi pekee bali hata wananchi.... Kwamba hata kama we do have a responsible and reliable Leader kama mwananchi hachezi nafasi yake tatizo balo lipo pale pale katika eneo zima la Poverty Elimination. Hili ambalo nime kuqoute is my stand too.... Good thing nime post on the same thing mda sio mrefu in another thread katika nafasi ya Leaders.... na this was it (a paste).... It does not matter kua the leader in question kashindwa kufurahisha kila mtu (kwanza itakua vigumu else huyo leader ni mnafiki!). What matters ni kua huyo Leader anaweza dhibiti nafasi yake kiasi kwamba vitu kama ufisadi wa nje nje unakua hamna, matatizo kama mikataba feki inkua hamna, Kwamba aweze kua Mzalendo.... Awe na uchungu na nchi na wananchi.... na juu ya hapo awe na qualities of a Great leader who is not afraid of making major decisions hasa in relation to the Betterment of the Nation. Hapo Mzalendo believe me you..... Leader akiwa hivo ni rahisi hata kufanya kazi; kwamba hata kama ana delegate, atahakikisha kuna jopo za kweli za quality insurance kuhakikisha all inaenda ipasavo na to it's best.
Mzalendo kuwaangalia wananchi sio tu kua wahakikisha umewafanyia kila kitu.... HAIWEZEKANI! Ila kuhakikisha unawawekea wananchi wako mazingira ya kuweza weka wepesi katika maisha yao kwa kungalia yale ambayo yawagusa moja kwa moja. For instance katika nchi nyingi za Kiafrika tegemezi kubwa la majority katika taifa ni Kilimo.... Bahati nzuri nchi zote hizi zina rules, guidelines na principles ambazo in most cases ziko impressive on paper; BUT Unfortunatley hazitelekezwi ipasavo... Hakuna kusema kua Serkali ipo that interested katika soko la mazao, ama quality ya end product, ama Processing machines, ama incentives za kutosha in the sector na sio za ubabaishaji kama ilivo.... That mind you is just one of the ways ya kuweza boresha na kugusa wananchi directly....
True but that is not the whole truth, we have seen that in a grand scale such as in Greece recently. You don't have to play their ball completely, if you can give them sound economical plans and ways to repay the debt they can negotiate. Only when you put nothing on the table that is where most of the policies would be direct from them.
Sasa kama kungekuwa na current economical plan tailored to suit current circumstances, that is where the starting point of negotiations between them and us. Au kaka unafikiri, Mkukuta and 'five years plan' ni kwa ajili ya nini? Hule ni usanii wa CCM kuwapelekea na negotiotions zina anzia hapo.
Kwa maana hiyo suala kusema SAP's are entirely on sided is misleading.
Ghana wanatunga baadhi ya policies zao sasa.
Katika mijadala mingi inaonyesha, inaonyesha kuwa watanzania wengi wanakubaliana kuwa chanzo cha matatizo ya nchi yetu ni uongozi. Wengine wanasema kuwa ni nchi inaongozwa bila dira. Wengine wanasema kuwa viongozi ni mafisadi. Na wengine wanasema kuwa viongozi sio wacha Mungu.
Swali langu je tukipata kiongozi mwenye sifa zote hapo juu tutaweza kuondokana na matatizo? Jibu ni 50/50. Tanzania inaweza kupata kiongozi mwenye sifa zote watanzania wanazoziotea ndoto na bado nchi ikaboronga. Sifa zinazotajwa na watanzania wengi sio sifa za kuondoa umasikini na kuboresha maisha ya watanzania wengi. Nasema hivyo kwa sababu kuondoa umasikini na kuboresha maisha kwa nchi masikini kama Tanzania ni Result Oriented Business.
Nikikutana na maadui zangu wanaopenda siasa za Ujamaa, siku zote wananitolea mifano ya mafanikio ya China. Tofauti kubwa kati ya China na Tanzania ni kuwa wa-China are result oriented and Tanzanians aren't. Miaka kama saba iliyopita China na India walikuwa wanashindana kwenye ujenzi wa reli za kasi kwenda kwenye viwanja vya ndege vilivyopo kwenye wilaya za viwanda (Industrial Districts). Katika kipindi cha chini ya miaka mitatu waChina walimaliza ujenzi. Sijuhi wahindi wamefikia wapi. Ujenzi wa viwanja na Olimpiki na uendeshaji wa michezo hiyo nchini China na Ujenzi wa viwanja vya michezo kwa ajili ya jumuia za madola nchini India ni vitu viwili tofauti.
Kwa kutumia mifano hii, inaonyesha safari ya China na Tanzania ni tofauti japokuwa nchi hizi mbili ziliwahi kufuata siasa zinazofanana.
Kuwa mpenda matokeo katika kazi sio siasa. Hivyo kama utajiingiza kwenye mdahalo huu, ningependa mambo ya siasa yakae pembeni. Na jaribu kuelezea uzoefu wako wa kazi au taaluma yako hili tunaweza kubadilisha utamaduni wetu na kuwa watu wa kufanya kazi zenye kuleta matokeo.
Tunaendelea.............................................
Eric Cartman,
Nakubaliana na wewe. Kuna geo-politics. Mfano wa Greece hipo kwenye Euro zone. Hivyo World Bank na IMF itakuwa na mtazamo mwingine.
Russia katika 90s walikuwa na matatizo vilevile. Lakini Nuclear Arsenals zao zilifanya nchi za magharibi kufikiria mara mbili.
Vilevile kuna wheel of fortune. Ghana ameanza kupump mafuta. Hivyo reserve yake ni kubwa. Angola nao wana-pump mafuta.
Nigeria wanajenga reli. World bank alitoa masharti makubwa. Kesho yake mchina bila kukaribishwa akachuka na manoti yake na kutoa offer iliyofanya nchi za magharibi zikae vinywa wazi.
Tukija kwa Tanzania, hatuna nafasi kama zilizopo hapo juu. Hivyo ni lazima tutumie akili na juhudi zetu wenyewe.
Unaweza kua result oriented kama umepanga hizo results vizuri. Huku bado tunapangiwa results na donors, bila kuchunguza how SMART the objectives/results are, bila kushirikisha mtanzania wa kawaida (only viongozi are consulted). Lazima ishindikane. Hapa naongelea kipindi hiki cha IMF na world bank, sio wakati ule wa ujamaa.
Zakumi sera zinatendeka na hela kwa hiyo kusema hatuna room to manouver si kweli. Hayo ya nchi zilizo fortunate kuwa na precious marialisili zinaingiza hela na kuweza ku-invest wisely ni kweli. Hila na sisi hatuna priorities simple as that si 'IMF' wala 'WD' wakulaumiwa kwa yote ni siasa zetu tu.
Hela ya marupupu, per diems, VX's ni policy tayari ya kuweza kuinua maisha ya wengi, kama ulivyogusia hawali amna performace based bonuses watu wanalipwa tu. Hapo bado ujazingatia hela ambazo zimetengwa kufaniskisha policy kadhaa nazo zinavyopotea, bila ya the right mechanism to police the policies.
To put simply we need a new constitution first that considers accountability and the next phase is politics. That is where creativity can begin.
Hata kama tutapa viongozi wazuri, tusipokuwa na nia ya kupata mafanikio tusahau...hizo zitakuwa ndoto. Naamini umaskini wetu unachangiwa pia na tabia zetu...uvivu na ujinga wa kutotaka kujielimisha vikiongoza.
hivi kuna hata nyanja au sekta moja sisi tunaweza kujisifu tupo makini? (hapa siulizii umakini wa asilimia, hasha bali angalau tunaweza kuridhika kuwa hapo tunapiga hatua kwenda mbele?)