President Uhuru Kenyatta busy taking selfies as Kenyans are murdered in Mandera

[Dhuks]

lawmaina78 By now you should have known the language of Dr. Job is purposely put here as it is to paint UK as a selfie taking president and nothing else. When his henchman was sharing power the same things were happening yet we were not told his henchman was f***ing as the country was under attack. Separate the points from the theatrics and discuss the issue. Uhuru has failed not by failing to sack the likes of the big eyes that people are proposing but the real people on the ground who are supposed to receive such intel and who actually received it but did nothing on it.

Aint the photo he posted enough proof that policemen were more than four?

 

[flyingcrane]

Hahaha!! I've read through the tweets, very hilarious, but I still insist, it has to start with us, police can't be available in every home. They can't be there to stop an uncle from raping his niece, as a parent you must secure your own child at home and not trust anyone.

Where will us citizens start, Uhuru shld show us how.. we elected him to protect us, not telling us that we are part of the problem..

we want a leader who leads by example ..anything and everything that kenyans will adopt must come directly from him, our president lacks the strategy

 

[MK254]

Where will us citizens start, Uhuru shld show us how.. we elected him to protect us, not telling us that we are part of the problem..

we want a leader who leads by example ..anything and everything that kenyans will adopt must come directly from him, our president lacks the strategy

I agree to some extent the security forces are failing us and Uhuru is making it worse by not cracking the whip (though constitution ties his hands a lot), but we the citizens should also play our roles. I am reiterating, we have Alshabaab in our midst, people are feeding and hiding them. These same Kenyans keeping Alshabaabs in their homes are also calling the government to secure them.

 

[Smatta]

Hahaha!! I've read through the tweets, very hilarious, but I still insist, it has to start with us, police can't be available in every home. They can't be there to stop an uncle from raping his niece, as a parent you must secure your own child at home and not trust anyone.

kaka, it was very insensitive of him to use the three year old rape case as his analogy for insecurity, how did the parents feel when the president put the blame for their daughter being raped squarely on them? On matters security, this regime has terribly failed and no amount of PR games and selfies will change this fact. When all senior security organs are headed by a single tribe, in a country of more than 40 tribes, then we have a problem.

 

[MK254]

kaka, it was very insensitive of him to use the three year old rape case as his analogy for insecurity, how did the parents feel when the president put the blame for their daughter being raped squarely on them? On matters security, this regime has terribly failed and no amount of PR games and selfies will change this fact. When all senior security organs are headed by a single tribe, in a country of more than 40 tribes, then we have a problem.

Personally am a father of a daughter, I still can't fathom how I'll blame police and government if my brother rapes her. It will squarely fall on me and my wife.
I am surprised we are now shifting blame to tribe, yet as far as security leadership is concerned, cabinet secretary of internal security, Inspector General of Police, cabinet secretary of defense are all from different tribes. Not sure what else we will blame next.

 

[livefire]

But as much as we are blaming the leadership, we citizens too should play our role to ensure security. Just like Uhuru said, there can never be a policeman for every citizen. Uhuru can satisfy our desires by sacking and replacing every security personnel, but while we are the ones harboring these elements in our homes and places of worship, there will never be any difference.

Also remember the current security heads were appointed through rigorous process, meaning we picked the best. And remember the constitution, read it again
- The president can't sack IG Kimaiyo, it's a parliamentary process.
- Mr Lenku implements Cabinet policies. He does not make personal decisions.
- NIS doesn't have powers of enforcement and arrest. Yet they have a habit of bombarding police with thousands of intelligent report.

CC: Ngongo kadoda11

you are simply making grave excuses for this regime, civilians have no means of identifying terrorists.

i once stated here a terrorist will never attack his backyard. He willl come study, go away then prep to unleash terror. Only govt with state machinery can identify such.

i too urge those teachers to steer away from mandera and like minded hot spots if their security can not be guaranteed by National govt!!! No excuses comrade apo, its a non negotiable right, not sth u beg however in miniscule ways the citizenry may help...too bad most often than not they will be clueless when it comes to terror.

 

[livefire]

Rigorous process with a tribal face lawmaina beats the essence of "rigorous evaluation". Its not that Kenyans don't see these things, they see em.....

Anyway, lets let dat chapter be.... If there's anything that has the potential of turning this country belly up more than Raila could ever hope of doing is how casually those tasked with ensuring security respond to life & death issues.

 

[MK254]

Rigorous process with a tribal face lawmaina beats the essence of "rigorous evaluation". Its not that Kenyans don't see these things, they see em.....

Anyway, lets let dat chapter be.... If there's anything that has the potential of turning this country belly up more than Raila could ever hope of doing is how casually those tasked with ensuring security respond to life & death issues.

Trust me, am not looking at this thing from a tribal angle as most seems to suggest. The problem is always my name betrays me whenever I try to look at an issue objectively.
In a situation like this, I normally excogitate on what I would have done differently if I was in power. We have a new constitution that guarantees the men and women in security docket are selected through a rigorous process. We've had police reforms that saw many lose their jobs due to their failure to succeed through the vetting. In fact the president nolonger has much power over these things.

As for what Uhuru said, though he sounded drunk (and I have an issue with that), but he made a lot of sense. When Mungiki were a menace, they were extenuated by the help of community. People helped police in the war against them. It's our responsibility to help police identify those living among us suspiciously.

 

[livefire]

Trust me, am not looking at this thing from a tribal angle as most seems to suggest. The problem is always my name betrays me whenever I try to look at an issue objectively.
In a situation like this, I normally excogitate on what I would have done differently if I was in power. We have a new constitution that guarantees the men and women in security docket are selected through a rigorous process. We've had police reforms that saw many lose their jobs due to their failure to succeed through the vetting. In fact the president nolonger has much power over these things.

As for what Uhuru said, though he sounded drunk (and I have an issue with that), but he made a lot of sense. When Mungiki were a menace, they were extenuated by the help of community. People helped police in the war against them. It's our responsibility to help police identify those living among us suspiciously.

i get your logic, and i hate the tribal card too, i almost hardly use it in any engagement.

Mungiki were sold out because they attacked their own, fellow kyuks hadi the natives wakawachoka. with al shabaab, when with Muslims they cause no harm, in fact even fellow Muslims may not know this pips.

I like what analyst Mwendwa Mbijiwe said, btw the only analyst i find most articulate in explaining intelligence gaps outside govt.. "lets reinvest in intelligence. from that cobbler, bar maid, matatu operative etc." He goes further to state white-collar intelligence has failed, implying those on govt payroll.

Only dat way shall we win. the easiest way Moi did this was using soft offenders, whom were twisted by police into informants. The govt may also identify influential young people in a location to help in info gathering without twist but coercing them with small benefits. This way. if a cop gets a call from an informant they respond immediately since they seem to ignore public calls at hour of need. btw hii vibe ya informants ni real, only dat since Kibaki era its been scaled down.

My recommendation is dat every cop have at least five informants, NIS would be sterile i tell u and be left scourging the net or following drug dealers. The govt thru the police must form the spy network, nyumba kumi ni sawa but it exposes the grass root heads which is a liability.

 

[MK254]

i get your logic, and i hate the tribal card too, i almost hardly use it in any engagement.

Mungiki were sold out because they attacked their own, fellow kyuks hadi the natives wakawachoka. with al shabaab, when with Muslims they cause no harm, in fact even fellow Muslims may not know this pips.

I like what analyst Mwendwa Mbijiwe said, btw the only analyst i find most articulate in explaining intelligence gaps outside govt.. "lets reinvest in intelligence. from that cobbler, bar maid, matatu operative etc." He goes further to state white-collar intelligence has failed, implying those on govt payroll.

Only dat way shall we win. the easiest way Moi did this was using soft offenders, whom were twisted by police into informants. The govt may also identify influential young people in a location to help in info gathering without twist but coercing them with small benefits. This way. if a cop gets a call from an informant they respond immediately since they seem to ignore public calls at hour of need. btw hii vibe ya informants ni real, only dat since Kibaki era its been scaled down.

My recommendation is dat every cop have at least five informants, NIS would be sterile i tell u and be left scourging the net or following drug dealers. The govt thru the police must form the spy network, nyumba kumi ni sawa but it exposes the grass root heads which is a liability.

Precisely my point, the power to help root out insecurity is with the people, when Mungiki were reigning terror on other Kenyans, they were deemed heroic. They lived amongst us Kiuks, we never bothered to help the police deal with them. But when they turned their focus towards their own, the community came out and helped police a lot. In fact every known Mungiki adherent fled from the villages. Women and elders didn't hesitate at a ll to share information with police.

As for Alshabaab, I remember an incident when they blew a bus in Mombasa and for some "unfortunate" reason, a few muslim names featured amongst the victims. I've never seen the kind of backlash that Alshabaab suffered that day. Muslims were all over social media making battle cries. Ever since that time, Alshabaab have been very careful not to include muslims in their attacks. Remember even the case of Duale telling them to go attack Machakos and avoid Eastleigh. Goes to show you the kind of community we are. As long as they don't attack me, I'll see no evil and hear no evil.

 

[flyingcrane]

Tribalism is killing this country. how can police performe their duty well if they feel like the regime is oppressing them.
Uhuru must put his house in order and stop pointing fingers at the citizens, IKIENDELEA HIVI ATAONA MAPAMBANO YA KUMTOA KWA MADARAKA

 

[Ab-Titchaz]

you are simply making grave excuses for this regime, civilians have no means of identifying terrorists.

i once stated here a terrorist will never attack his backyard. He willl come study, go away then prep to unleash terror. Only govt with state machinery can identify such.

i too urge those teachers to steer away from mandera and like minded hot spots if their security can not be guaranteed by National govt!!! No excuses comrade apo, its a non negotiable right, not sth u beg however in miniscule ways the citizenry may help...too bad most often than not they will be clueless when it comes to terror.

Sema Jenarali...gud to have you back. Apana potea namna hio.

 

[Ab-Titchaz]

Trust me, am not looking at this thing from a tribal angle as most seems to suggest. The problem is always my name betrays me whenever I try to look at an issue objectively.
In a situation like this, I normally excogitate on what I would have done differently if I was in power. We have a new constitution that guarantees the men and women in security docket are selected through a rigorous process. We've had police reforms that saw many lose their jobs due to their failure to succeed through the vetting. In fact the president nolonger has much power over these things.

As for what Uhuru said, though he sounded drunk (and I have an issue with that), but he made a lot of sense. When Mungiki were a menace, they were extenuated by the help of community. People helped police in the war against them. It's our responsibility to help police identify those living among us suspiciously.

Hahahaha...You had me rolling with that quip about "My name betrays me"...only Kenyans get that.

Okay, back to the topic.

Nimeona a few of your postings ukiafikiana na ule msemo wa Rais kua security begins with us...my question
becomes how so?..are we some to arm ourselves or what? The president needs to realise kua he is talking to
a large audience who can intepret this message very differently. Our brothers in Pokot and Turkana have been
arming themselves for decades for whatever reasons (hio maneno yao mimi sijui) but the other day KDF were
over there disarming them. That's one particular instance that will create confusion right there for our fellow
Kenyans in the North.

 

[Ab-Titchaz]

Tribalism is killing this country. how can police performe their duty well if they feel like the regime is oppressing them.
Uhuru must put his house in order and stop pointing fingers at the citizens, IKIENDELEA HIVI ATAONA MAPAMBANO YA KUMTOA KWA MADARAKA

I agree with you on this one especially the way regular police and administration police be having their
cat fights which turn out fatal with some officers getting killed. Alafu pia kuna wale ambao they support
the thuggery that happens in the major cities by giving guns to crooks to rob hardworking folk.

Our police force lacks discipline to say the least and their morale is at a low time low.

 

[Ab-Titchaz]

Personally am a father of a daughter, I still can't fathom how I'll blame police and government if my brother rapes her. It will squarely fall on me and my wife.
I am surprised we are now shifting blame to tribe, yet as far as security leadership is concerned, cabinet secretary of internal security, Inspector General of Police, cabinet secretary of defense are all from different tribes. Not sure what else we will blame next.

mzeiya,

I don't think Smatta, is shifting blame to tribe. That is the last individual who will do that in far as I have known him on this forum.

Hapa nadhani inabidi tuangilie mantiki husika. In NEP I believe if the police need intelligence, they need to incorporate the local people in the top echelons of the security heirachy. I remember the days when Gen Mohammed was in charge of the police, his people would easily render information to him...a kind of trust factor thing. . Afu pia it is just prudent to give the security apparatus a national outlook maana Uhuru has outdone himself when it comes to these appointments. The problem is not the tribe but Uhuru putting his folks in the crosshairs by his skewed appointments...it just creates resentment even among kikuyu friends that I know.

I could be wrong and I stand corrected.

Pamojah.

 

[Ab-Titchaz]

kaka, it was very insensitive of him to use the three year old rape case as his analogy for insecurity, how did the parents feel when the president put the blame for their daughter being raped squarely on them? On matters security, this regime has terribly failed and no amount of PR games and selfies will change this fact. When all senior security organs are headed by a single tribe, in a country of more than 40 tribes, then we have a problem.

I was shocked when I saw the clip and him refering to that rape incident. Who advices this guy jamani?

 

[livefire]

Sema Jenarali...gud to have you back. Apana potea namna hio.

vipi mkuu, saluti mar moja! eh....hehe
Nipo tena sana, lakini kwa kadiri naotea mbali tu. Siwajua ubarobaro unanitoka mie, kubishana kila wakati humu ndani si si vema kwa staha yangu. usikadhani mie mzee lakini...

Kuna wakenya ambao nilikuwa nimewazoea sana humu jamvini, kina Kabaridi, Smatta, nomasana, Mwembetayari nk. wote ni nadra tu, wacha damu mpya iongoze kiasi humu ndani...si unawaona vile kina lawmaina78, waltham, flyingcrane hawatutitii soni...ni kama mko sawa tu...lakini tupo.

 

[Mizchief]

STOLEN. . . . . .The #Mandera28 died coz they failed to protect themselves. . . .Really?

 

[Dr. Job]

lawmaina78 By now you should have known the language of Dr. Job is purposely put here as it is to paint UK as a selfie taking president and nothing else. When his henchman was sharing power the same things were happening yet we were not told his henchman was f***ing as the country was under attack. Separate the points from the theatrics and discuss the issue. Uhuru has failed not by failing to sack the likes of the big eyes that people are proposing but the real people on the ground who are supposed to receive such intel and who actually received it but did nothing on it.

Aint the photo he posted enough proof that policemen were more than four?

Gets serious dude!

The photo uyou are seeing is after the murders were commited...and as usual that when this reactionary type governement gets to do something. So you think these coppers were there all this time?...lol

Meanwhile, Uhuru is a selfie taking president, he admitted himself. It's right here... Uhuru makes first public address after Abu Dhabi, admits taking selfie | The Star

 

[Dr. Job]

This is what happens when you tell people that security begins with them...


Protesters raid Somali hotel in Mwingi demo

Police guard a bus after Mwingi protestors threaten to set it a blaze over the Mandera massacre yesterday in Mwingi.Photo Lydia Ngoolo

Thursday, December 4, 2014,
BY LYDIA NGOOLO

Mwingi residents yesterday staged demonstrations against insecurity. The protestors almost set ablaze buses to and from North Eastern Kenya and Nairobi. Ordinarily, these buses are packed with members of the Somali community. Police had to shoot in the air to disperse the mob. While other buses opted to turn back, some headed to police stations.

The demonstrators stoned an Earth Plane Company bus from Nairobi, before heading for a local hotel run by Somalis. They threatened to smash the windows and doors and pour out all the cooked food. The demonstrators said the buses ferrying the attackers from Northern Kenya pass through Mwingi to go to other regions like Nairobi and Mombasa. They called for investigations of all residents and foreigners.

The demonstration started at 10am, at Umoja petrol station and proceeded through the town to head to the deputy county commissioner's office. Centre for human rights and civic education together with residents criticised the Mandera killings in which 36 people were killed at a quarry in Koromei, Mandera town.

"How would they feel if we stopped the vehicles and asked all the non-Christians to return to Garissa, Mandera, Dadaab or any other part of northern Kenya?" said a demonstrator.

Acting deputy county commissioner David Wanyonyi said demonstrations will not solve the security problem.

Protesters raid Somali hotel in Mwingi demo | The Star