Rabi Leo Baeck ni nani kwa Israel?

[Punjab Singh]

Ahsanteni Katavi na Mkuu wa chuo
Kwa historia fupi tu, Nchi ya Israel/Zionist Federation ni matunda ya zionist community iliyoanzishwa rasmi na Theodor Herzl mwaka 1897. Huyu bwana historia inamcredit kuwa myahudi wa kwanza kuwa na mawazo ya kuwa na formation of state of Israel wakati akiwa bado mlowezi huko Ujerumani
Tukija kwenye swala la nyota iliyopo katika bendera na Israel, watu wawili wanahusishwa na hiyo bendera, kwanza Herzl mwenyewe na bwana David Wolffsohn.(1856-1914) Herzl anaandika; "We have no flag, and we need one. If we desire to lead many men, we must raise a symbol above their heads. I would suggest a white flag, with seven golden stars. The white field symbolizes our pure new life; the stars are the seven golden hours of our working-day. For we shall march into the Promised Land carrying the badge of honor"
Wolffsohn alikua na mawazo mengine; "At the behest of our leader Herzl, I came to Basle to make preparations for the Zionist Congress. Among many other problems that occupied me then was one that contained something of the essence of the Jewish problem. What flag would we hang in the Congress Hall? Then an idea struck me. We have a flag—and it is blue and white. The talith (prayer shawl) with which we wrap ourselves when we pray: that is our symbol. Let us take this Talith from its bag and unroll it before the eyes of Israel and the eyes of all nations. So I ordered a blue and white flag with the Shield of David painted upon it. That is how the national flag, that flew over Congress Hall, came into being"
Na katika 1st Zionist Congress 1987 hiyo nyota ilichaguliwa rasmi kuwa katika bendera inayowakilisha worldwide Zionist community na hiyo bendera baadae ikaja kuwa bendera ya Israel.
Kuhusu historia ya matumizi ya hiyo nyota kwa wayahudi kuna nadharia mbalimbali kama alivyoziweka punjab Sigh lakini nadharia inayokubalika zaidi ni kuwa hiyo alama haikuwa kati ya alama zilizowatambulisha wayahudi, zaidi ilikua inatumiwa kwenye kabbala na kabbalistic writings.
Niishie hapo kwa muda, ingawa nimeona kuna mjadala mkali wa Lucifer, nani ni Lucifer? Je ni nani alimuintroduce lucifer kwenye bible?
Mengine ya kujadili ni kama the Balfour declaration, nini maana ya holocaust, zile vita kuu za Dunia na Hitler zilisaidiaje the formation of state of Israel pamoja na role ya Britain n.k

Then why don't you also inform your audiance that in that Balfour Declaration Conference it was firstly decided to immigrate the Jews from Europe and the Diaspora to Uganda? So Uganda would have been The Jewish Promised Land today?

 

[Mourinho]

Kwa mujibu wa haya maelezo yako ni kwamba hii Israel ambayo tunaiona leo ni taifa ambalo kuna watu fulani wakaamua tu kuliunda sio?

Hebu endelea kutiririka mkuu ...!!

Mkuu wangu Eiyer, ukiangalia sana WW1, WW2, Hitler na Holocaust ziliplay part kubwa sana kwenye kuundwa kwa Nchi ya Israel.
Tukianza na The Balfour Declaration ya 2nd November 1917, barua ya UK's Foreign Secretary bwana Arthur James Balfour kwenda kwa Baron Rothschild, ilikua na maudhui haya; "His Majesty's government view with favour the establishment in Palestine of a national home for the Jewish people, and will use their best endeavours to facilitate the achievement of this object, it being clearly understood that nothing shall be done which may prejudice the civil and religious rights of existing non-Jewish communities in Palestine, or the rights and political status enjoyed by Jews in any other country."
Kumbuka hiyo ilikua ni mwaka 1917, miaka 31 kabla ya kutangazwa rasmi kwa state of Israel, huu ilikua ni muendelezo tu wa kazi iliyoanza 1897, British Empire pamoja washirika wao France walishakua na mpango wa kuipa Palestina, iliyokua chini ya Ottoman, kwa Zionists.
Huu mpango uliwezekana tu baada ya WW2 na kazi kubwa aliyowafanyia Hitler na the so called "the holocaust".
Iko well documented kwamba Hitler alikua na close ties na Vatican, majeshi yake yalikua heavly funded kwa pesa, mikopo na mafuta ya mitambo, ndege na magari ya kivita na the Roccafellas na kina Bush kupitia kwa bank ya babu yake Bush Jr. iliyoitwa Union Bank
Kuna utata mkubwa kuhusiana na "the holocaust" kwanza kabisa maana ya hili neno ni utata kidogo, "Holocaust" comes from the the Greek word holokauston, itself a translation of the Hebrew olah, meaning "completely burnt offering to God," implying that Jews and other "undesirables" murdered during World War II were a sacrifice to God. Je hii ilikua ni sadaka ya kuteketeza ya lazima ili kufikia malengo ya Zionists?
Lakini cha pili ni utata wa ukweli kuhusiana na idadi ya wayahudi waliokufa kwenye hizo concentration camps, je kweli walikua milioni 6?
Na je ni nani walinufaika zaidi na Holocaust? Je ni Hitler na Wajerumani au ni Jews/Zionist? Kumbuka barua ya Balfour anaposema "and will use their best endeavours to facilitate the achievement of this object" hizo 'best endeavors' ndio holocaust na WW2? Hegelian dialect, PROBLEM + REACTION = SOLUTION?

 

[Mourinho]

Then why don't you also inform your audiance that in that Balfour Declaration Conference it was firstly decided to immigrate the Jews from Europe and the Diaspora to Uganda? So Uganda would have been The Jewish Promised Land today?

Ahsante Mkuu, teh teh tusijetukaamka kukutana na other European Thugs claiming Tanzania is their promised Land and Spiritual home 😜

 

[Punjab Singh]

Kwa mujibu wa haya maelezo yako ni kwamba hii Israel ambayo tunaiona leo ni taifa ambalo kuna watu fulani wakaamua tu kuliunda sio?

Hebu endelea kutiririka mkuu ...!!

The Europeans after the war were not ready to accomodate the Jews in their lands so they were finding anywhere and everywhere to accomodate them but not in Europe. The British being in the fore front they suggested Uganda in Africa at that time there was no religious or historical dimension on the issue.

It was in 1917 that Authur Balfour who suggested Palestine and the British government agreed to support the Idea and presented to The League of Nation (UN) where it gave the mandate to Britain to rule Palestine and after many years of negotiations and back hand wringling to The Hashemite Kingdom where at last in 1947 the UN voted the Creation of Israel and in 6 May 1948 a state of Israel was born.

 

[Punjab Singh]

Karibu sana utujazie ujuzi katika hili linalojadiliwa.

What is the Oral Torah?

As I mentioned earlier, there are two "Torahs": the Written and the Oral. In Jewish tradition, both were given to Moses at Mt. Sinai and during the forty years in the desert, and taught to the whole nation. [In fact, when Judaism says "God gave the Torah to Moses at Sinai" it is talking only about the Oral Torah otherwise, Moses should have known about the Golden Calf, and as for Korach's Rebellion, Moses should have reacted "well, we've been expecting you..."]

Both Torahs have been with there, according to Jewish sources, for all of the past 3300 years. And without both, it is impossible to fully understand traditional Jewish teaching or thought. The Written Torah, mentiones each of the Commandments, or Mitzvos, only in passing or by allusion. The Oral Law fills in the gaps.

Here is an example: "And you shall tie them as a sign on your arm and for (Totafos) between your eyes." (Deut. 6 8) This is the source for the Mitzvah of Tefillin (phylacteries - if that's any clearer), but it doesn't tell us that much. From this alone, we'd never know how to do this Mitzvah. What are we supposed to tie to the arm? With what do we tie it? What are "Totafos?" What is it a sign of? Without the Oral Law, quite simply, there's no Mitzvah of Tefillin. And there aren't too many other Mitzvos that'll make much sense either. Not, that is, without some form of commentary.

With that said, it wouldn't have made any sense for the Author of the Five Books to have left us nothing more than tantalizing hints we still would have no idea what to do. So, either the Torah was written by an idiot (or a relatively clueless 'redactor' according to modern theorists) who just never thought things through enough to tell us what to put into our Tefillin... or there must be an instruction manual somewhere that came in the same package. We call this "instruction manual" the Oral law.

 

[Mzuvendi]

Sasa utawezaje kuthibitisha kuwa unachokiweka hapa ni sahihi?

Kuna jamaa ni mu-Iran na ameshatoa ushahidi ambao unakinzana na haya madai ya Punjab,nimsikilize Punjab au huyu mu-Iran?

There's no entitlement in knowledge. Just because somebody is Iranian doesn't mean that the individuals knows better than a person from Punjab or Tabora. It seems to me you waiting for somebody to feed so you can memorize. You won't get anywhere.

 

[Mzuvendi]

Nilisema kuwa hakuna ushahidi wowote ambao watu wa Mungu kwenye vitabu vya dini ambapo walitumia alama kumuomba Mungu,nipe ushahidi kama unao

Kama hakuna hii kitu imetoka wapi?

Wapagani ndio ilikuwa desturi yao kufanya hivi,inakuwaje leo kuna watu wanadai wanamuabudu Mungu wa kweli lakini bado wanafanya ibada kama za kipagani?

Seriously, you need to take classes in critical reading and writing. That's all I could say.

 

[Mkuu wa chuo]

What is the Oral Torah?

As I mentioned earlier, there are two "Torahs": the Written and the Oral. In Jewish tradition, both were given to Moses at Mt. Sinai and during the forty years in the desert, and taught to the whole nation. [In fact, when Judaism says "God gave the Torah to Moses at Sinai" it is talking only about the Oral Torah otherwise, Moses should have known about the Golden Calf, and as for Korach's Rebellion, Moses should have reacted "well, we've been expecting you..."]

Both Torahs have been with there, according to Jewish sources, for all of the past 3300 years. And without both, it is impossible to fully understand traditional Jewish teaching or thought. The Written Torah, mentiones each of the Commandments, or Mitzvos, only in passing or by allusion. The Oral Law fills in the gaps.

Here is an example: "And you shall tie them as a sign on your arm and for (Totafos) between your eyes." (Deut. 6 8) This is the source for the Mitzvah of Tefillin (phylacteries - if that's any clearer), but it doesn't tell us that much. From this alone, we'd never know how to do this Mitzvah. What are we supposed to tie to the arm? With what do we tie it? What are "Totafos?" What is it a sign of? Without the Oral Law, quite simply, there's no Mitzvah of Tefillin. And there aren't too many other Mitzvos that'll make much sense either. Not, that is, without some form of commentary.

With that said, it wouldn't have made any sense for the Author of the Five Books to have left us nothing more than tantalizing hints we still would have no idea what to do. So, either the Torah was written by an idiot (or a relatively clueless 'redactor' according to modern theorists) who just never thought things through enough to tell us what to put into our Tefillin... or there must be an instruction manual somewhere that came in the same package. We call this "instruction manual" the Oral law.

Uwe unaweka na source kwenye hayo mabandiko yako ya copy and paste bila ya kuchuja na kuelewa unachokifanya, unasema As I mentioned Earlier, kana kwamba ni maneno yako kumbe sio, wapi mapema umeyasema hayo!? Kwa mfano hili bandiko lako uliloli copy umelikata sio lote na umetolea kwenye hii web ambapo lipo full What is the oral Torah? - Torah.org

 

[Punjab Singh]

Uwe unaweka na source kwenye hayo mabandiko yako ya copy and paste bila ya kuchuja na kuelewa unachokifanya, unasema As I mentioned Earlier, kana kwamba ni maneno yako kumbe sio, wapi mapema umeyasema hayo!? Kwa mfano hili bandiko lako uliloli copy umelikata sio lote na umetolea kwenye hii web ambapo lipo full What is the oral Torah? - Torah.org

Good boy now you are learning to find Information. Why should I keep a link for you while your Yesu and Bible is your only reference. Are you sure that is the only link that has what i have presented here? You always avoid tha substance and you go on trivial maters. Now you have found that link that attest to what I wrote it your catch now to swallow it.

 

[Wickama]

Wickama na Eiyer siku zote i have been wondering kuhusu hii salam ya heshima ya sisi wahaya SHUMALAMU=SHALOM?

Jamal, you are right. Wakurya tunatumia neno "Omohamate" kuonyesha mtu ambaye sio katika sisi/familia. Kwa kweli hili neno nadhani ni kuelezea "hamites, or hamitic. Ikimaanisha hatukuwa hamites. Na kweli bantus sio hamites. wana historia huwa wanafundisha kuwa asili ya wabantu ni kwenye misitu ya west africa, lakini ukiangalia mji mkuu wa cameron (Yaounde) ukiondoa hiyo N unakuta unatamka Yahudi. Kisha ukikuta maandishi ya scholars wa kiislamu wa Spain wakati ikiwa chini ya waislamu (refer al-idiris of ceuta, hebrews, west africa), wameandika kirefu kuwa kulikuwa na biashara ya watumwa mwambao wa africa magharibi ambamo wayahudi waliokuwa maeneo jirani na timbuktu (west africa) walikamatwa na kuuzwa kama watumwa.

Hawa wayahudi wako wapi leo? Mchora ramani wa awali kabisa aliyechora ramani za africa magharibi (vatican cartographer) alionyesha bayana kulikuwa na a kingdom of yuda. wafanya biashara wa watumwa (wazungu) walijuwa kabisa kuwa walikuwa wananunua uzao wa Yakobo (wabantu) na kuupeleka utumwani




Upo ushahidi mwingi unaoonyesha kuwa hawa wanaoitwa wabantu LEO ndio haswa walikuwa the Israelites at the time of Judah. Kwenye hii video angalia kufanana kwa bantu language (kikongo-lingala) na Hebrew language

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cc Eiyer, Mkuu wa chuo,

 

[Mkuu wa chuo]

Wickama, kwenye Biblia kuna mistari kwamba hawa jamaa watatawanyishwa, halafu baadae watarudi tena... na huko nyuma iliwahi kutokea, walishawahi kupelekwa uhamishoni Babylon baadae wakarudi tena kwenye ile ardhi yao... Sasa kwa uchunguzi wako umegundua Kumbe Wabantu asili yao ni Uyahudi... Sasa basi hivi kunauwezekano wa kurudi kwenye nchi ya Ahadi kama maandiko yasemavyo!?

 

[The mountain lion]

hao jamaa waongo sana hao waisraeli wana laana

We ndo una laana.

 

[The mountain lion]

mara nyingi mijadala kama hii huwa inaharibika kwasababu watu mind zo haziko huru.. mwisho huharibika kwasababu ya ushabiki wao wa kidini, kuna mambo mengi kwenye hii dunia yanaendelea ambayo watu hawajui...hata wakijua kwasababu mengi yako attached na dini basi wanayapuuza.... israel ya kwenye biblia ni tofauti kabisa na israeli ya sasa iliyoundwa na mwingereza... ndo maana hata huko israel kwenyewe kuna tabaka mbili za waisraeli asiliya ambao walikuwepo pale tangu na tangu na waisraeli wa kuja.. ambao walitoka duniani huko na kuletwa pale na ndio ambao wanafanya mashariki ya kati pasitawalike. tuhahitaji kuwa huru ili kuuelewa ulimwengu.

Israel ya mwingereza?!hebu toa source mkuu maana sijakuelewa.

 

[Mourinho]

Israel ya mwingereza?!hebu toa source mkuu maana sijakuelewa.

Kama ungekua umeupitia vizuri huu uzi bila shaka ungekua umekutana na Balfour Declaration

 

[The mountain lion]

Thanks.Though confusing...Kwan asubuhi na alfajiri zina tofauti gani?
Mi naona Alfajiri ni subset ya Asubuhi

Hivi unaweza kusema nimeamka saa kumi na moja asubuhi..Jua likishachomoza tunaita asubuhi na hii huduma mpaka saa sita kamili ya asubuhi.
Saa kumi na kumi na moja ya usiku tunaita alfajiri.

 

[Eiyer]

Wickama, kwenye Biblia kuna mistari kwamba hawa jamaa watatawanyishwa, halafu baadae watarudi tena... na huko nyuma iliwahi kutokea, walishawahi kupelekwa uhamishoni Babylon baadae wakarudi tena kwenye ile ardhi yao... Sasa kwa uchunguzi wako umegundua Kumbe Wabantu asili yao ni Uyahudi... Sasa basi hivi kunauwezekano wa kurudi kwenye nchi ya Ahadi kama maandiko yasemavyo!?

Unajua mkuu mimi nimewasha moto kwenye nyasi halafu nakaa pembeni kufaidi wale wanyama wanaotoka humo

Sikua najua mambo mengi sana hasa haya ambayo Wickama anayasema na anajenga hoja yenye mashiko,sina cha kuongeza ila najitahidi kufuatilia sana anachokisema na nitafanya utafiti kujua hili

Natamani mkuu Wickama aendelee kutiririka hapa ili nifaudu maana anatoa vitu adim sana na ndio maana nakuwa mkimya sana wakati mwingine nikiwa msomaji zaidi!

 

[Eiyer]

Good boy now you are learning to find Information. Why should I keep a link for you while your Yesu and Bible is your only reference. Are you sure that is the only link that has what i have presented here? You always avoid tha substance and you go on trivial maters. Now you have found that link that attest to what I wrote it your catch now to swallow it.

Mkuu hebu achana na hayo mambo ya kidini na turudi kwenye mada ....

Hebu tuangalie Waisraeli hasa ni akina nani na kama ni hawa walioko huko au ni wengine ....!!

 

[Mkuu wa chuo]

Unajua mkuu mimi nimewasha moto kwenye nyasi halafu nakaa pembeni kufaidi wale wanyama wanaotoka humo

Sikua najua mambo mengi sana hasa haya ambayo Wickama anayasema na anajenga hoja yenye mashiko,sina cha kuongeza ila najitahidi kufuatilia sana anachokisema na nitafanya utafiti kujua hili

Natamani mkuu Wickama aendelee kutiririka hapa ili nifaudu maana anatoa vitu adim sana na ndio maana nakuwa mkimya sana wakati mwingine nikiwa msomaji zaidi!

Okay ni sawa mkuu... Ngojea tuendelee kujifunza zaidi...

 

[Fourier]

We Mbantu acha vurugu! Chuki za Waarabu na Waisrael zisikunyime usingizi maana zimejengwa katika misingi ya kihistoria wakati ambapo naamini huku kwetu ustaarsbu ulikua haujafika. Unajua Uislam na Ukristo zote chanzo chake ni Uyahudi? Torat na Injili zote zimeanzia Uyahudi. Kuna mengi ya kuchukia hapa nyumbani na yakaleta maendeleo mfano kuchukia wale wanaotugawa kwa misingi ya dini nitakuelewa. Kuwa Makini. .. unajua wanaojenga u wanna wa ndege Zanzibar ni Wayahudi? Zanzibar ambayo wengi wao ni Waislam Kimsingi wangeweza kusimamia up and wa Palestine. ..

Hahah Nimependa Mkuu Ulivoanza Kumuita Mbantu... Bila Shaka Kwa Taifa Letu Suala La Kuchukia Israel Au Palestine Ni Vitu FlaniAmbavyo Mimi Nachukulia Kama "Ulimbukeni" wa Kimawazo Na Kimtizamo

 

[Wickama]

Wickama, kwenye Biblia kuna mistari kwamba hawa jamaa watatawanyishwa, halafu baadae watarudi tena... na huko nyuma iliwahi kutokea, walishawahi kupelekwa uhamishoni Babylon baadae wakarudi tena kwenye ile ardhi yao... Sasa kwa uchunguzi wako umegundua Kumbe Wabantu asili yao ni Uyahudi... Sasa basi hivi kunauwezekano wa kurudi kwenye nchi ya Ahadi kama maandiko yasemavyo!?

Mkuu wa chuo, hii mada ni ngumu sana. wala sidanganyi eti nina majibu. Lakini key word ya madhila ya hawa jamaa ni MELI. Kwamba huko utumwani lazima wangepelekwa na MELI. Kote wabantu walikopelekwa utumwani ni kwmba walipelekwa kwa MELI. Aya husika kwenye biblia zinataja mabaki yao kurudishwa toka maeneo yote ya dunia including VISIWA (refer carribeans etc). Kuna wabantu India, walisafirishwa kama watumwa and so many places.

Navyojua nikwamba kuna aya inataja kuwa Yahweh atasababisha hao israel kurudi kwenye ardhi aliwaahidi mababu zao. Sijui methodology.

Lakini definitely sio kama hii tulioona ya creation of the state of Israel kupitia kwa imposters wanaojiita wana wa Israel huku ni Khazar descendants

Ila sijui Yahweh atalimaliza vipi