Tetesi: RASMI SASA: Alshabab sio kundi la Magaidi - UN Security Council

[komora096]

Hta makampuni yao basi wayahamishe djibout

Hilo ndio jambo la kushangaza, kwanini Kenya ikiomba kitu chenye maslahi kwa Kenya, wazungu wanakataa?, kuna kila dalili kwamba Kenya imepoteza mvuto kwa wazungu, Djibouti ndiye mpendwa kwa sasa, Kenya ni bibi kizee.

Wazungu waliitumia Kenya kwa miaka mingi kwa ajili ya maslahi yao, sasa hivi hawana shida na Kenya tena, wameanza kuwafanyia vituko Vingi, poleni sana.

 

[Ummayed]

Hta makampuni yao basi wayahamishe djibout

Bro wale watu wanafanya watakalo hawashindwi kitu maana wana nguvu ya kijeshi na kiuchumi wanakutawala ww hadi kisoko.
Ukileta fyoko wanakuchafulia soko la kimataifa km alivyofanyiwa Mugabe na anavyofanyiwa Iran.
Hawashindwi.

 

[Castr]

If i was a Kenyan president this is what i would do to US camp Simba aimed at fighting shabab. Since stupid Murica is saying that Shabab are not a terrorist org, i would close camp simba since it has no use. The purpose of camp Simba is to fight terror yet Shabab is not a terrorist org so camp Simba has no purpose in this region since there is no terrorist org in this region. I would also limit American military access to Kenyan resources that are directed in fighting Shabab e.g airports and refuelling missions and so on since shabab is not a terrorist org. I would also limit our purchases of American weapons that were supposed to fight terror since Shabab is not a terrorist org. I would systematically ramp up purchase of Chinese and Russian weapons on condition that they recognise Shabab as a terrorist org. I would reduce military training from US and redirect it to Russia and China as long as they recognise Shabab as a terrorist org. In 2015 Shabab killed 150 innocent students at Garissa university. 67 people at westgate in 2013. 21 people in 2019 in Nairobi. Cummulatively more than a thousand Kenyans both civilians and soldiers have lost their lives fighting this terrorist org. I would not back down. But that is in my dreams. It will never happen. Kenya will accept this absurd decision and will allow America to do as it pleases.

Bro I feel you.

Am pretty sure your President might have same wishes as you do but we all know what happens when developing nations try fighting for what we believe in.

So let's hope you will a find a way to avenge the lost lives. Not necessarily killing them but let's hope you will find a way.

 

[Mkikuyu- Akili timamu]

Kuna baadhi ya Wakenya humu bado wanatetea Marekani kwa kitendo hichi cha kusema Shabab sio gaidi. Hawa Wakenya uzalendo wao uko wapi? Ama pengine wanadhani wazungu wako always right Waafrika wako always wrong which is a sign of inferiority complex on their part. Wakenya wanastahili kujua America ni mashetani wakubwa. Ndio maana nilishangaa Mkenya fulani mjinga akisherehekea kuwa Marekani wanapanua kambi yao ya kijeshi hapa Kenya. Ninarudia ningekuwa rais wa Kenya ningewafurusha Kenya. Waende w*tombane na Al shabab huko. Hamna haja ya majeshi ya Marekani kupiga kambi Kenya eti wanapigana na ugaidi ilhali wanasema eti hakuna ugaidi Somalia. Kwani wanapigana na nini, upepo?

Kuna siku nilikwambia UZALENDO ni Kukataa Serikali ya Jubilee na wasaliti wa NASA.
Mkasema mimi Mtanzania
Hakuna Chochote kizuri cha Serikali ya Jubilee, iwe uchumi,miradi kama SGR, vita za somalia, diplomasia dhaifu ama urekebishaji wa katiba wanoa panga wakitumia BBI.
Si kulaumu mbali nakupongeza kwa kugundua haya

 

[komora096]

Mtaumizwa sana na mabeberu...mtaongea sana na hku bado makampuni yao yanafungua ofisi kibao kenya

Bro wale watu wanafanya watakalo hawashindwi kitu maana wana nguvu ya kijeshi na kiuchumi wanakutawala ww hadi kisoko.
Ukileta fyoko wanakuchafulia soko la kimataifa km alivyofanyiwa Mugabe na anavyofanyiwa Iran.
Hawashindwi.

 

[Lwiva]

Hao magaidi waliteketeza chuo kimoja Kenya leo marekani anawapongeza !!!!! Kenya mtapata tabu sana endeleeni kubeba salaba wa wazungu

I don't understand the intent or the purpose of this comment.

 

[joto la jiwe]

Mtaumizwa sana na mabeberu...mtaongea sana na hku bado makampuni yao yanafungua ofisi kibao kenya

Na wakenya wanachekelea kwa kuona makampuni ya wazungu yamejaa Nairobi, huku wakiiacha Kenya isulubiwe na Alshabaab.

 

[Ummayed]

Mtaumizwa sana na mabeberu...mtaongea sana na hku bado makampuni yao yanafungua ofisi kibao kenya

Sis hatuumii.
Hiv bro do you even listen yourself ???!!!
Humu ndani peke yako ndio unaongea umaatyaakooo.
Hv unafikiria italeta faida ipi ya US kufungua Biashara hapo kwenu ilhali washaanza kuteteresha aman hapa East Africa ??!!
Are you insane?!!!!
Hv je wajua kuwa US anasapoti ugaidi kwa ajili ya faida ya mafuta aliyoyaona kwa wasomali??!!!!
Kama haujui hvyo vijiofisi vinaweza kucost the whole EA ili jamaa wapate interest zao.
Nakwambia janga halipo tu Kenya.
Hii naona km vile habari ya Persian gulf inajijia East Africa.
Acha inferiority mindset.
Embu fikiria.

 

[komora096]

Leo ndio mnajua km nynyi mko east africa...si mlikua mkijisifu km SADC ni mhimu kwenu hta kuliko east africa...

Yani mnafiki ni mnafiki tu..watanzania ni ma snitch tu walai...kwn tabia zenu hatuzijui....

Sis hatuumii.
Hiv bro do you even listen yourself ???!!!
Humu ndani peke yako ndio unaongea umaatyaakooo.
Hv unafikiria italeta faida ipi ya US kufungua Biashara hapo kwenu ilhali washaanza kuteteresha aman hapa East Africa ??!!
Are you insane?!!!!
Hv je wajua kuwa US anasapoti ugaidi kwa ajili ya faida ya mafuta aliyoyaona kwa wasomali??!!!!
Kama haujui hvyo vijiofisi vinaweza kucost the whole EA ili jamaa wapate interest zao.
Nakwambia janga halipo tu Kenya.
Hii naona km vile habari ya Persian gulf inajijia East Africa.
Acha inferiority mindset.
Embu fikiria.

 

[komora096]

Hao hao mabeberu unao wapaka...wanafadhili bajeti yenu

Na wakenya wanachekelea kwa kuona makampuni ya wazungu yamejaa Nairobi, huku wakiiacha Kenya isulubiwe na Alshabaab.

 

[joto la jiwe]

Nani alikataa kwamba sisi hatupo East Africa?, "we are east African by birth, but SADC by faith". Geographically we are in East Africa, but spiritually/our heart is in SADC.

Leo ndio mnajua km nynyi mko east africa...si mlikua mkijisifu km SADC ni mhimu kwenu hta kuliko east africa...

Yani mnafiki ni mnafiki tu..watanzania ni ma snitch tu walai...kwn tabia zenu hatuzijui....

 

[joto la jiwe]

Hao hao mabeberu unao wapaka...wanafadhili bajeti yenu

Lakini hatuwalambi miguu kama ninyi mnavyofanya, wakizingua tunawabwatukia, Nyerere alishawafukuza wengi sana, na kufunga balozi zao.

 

[komora096]

Mmmmm!!!kwhyo nyinyi hamna tofauti na malaya mwenye maringo..unaliwa lkn bado waringa

Lakini hatuwalambi miguu kama ninyi mnavyofanya, wakizingua tunawabwatukia, Nyerere alishawafukuza wengi sana, na kufunga balozi zao.

 

[Ummayed]

Leo ndio mnajua km nynyi mko east africa...si mlikua mkijisifu km SADC ni mhimu kwenu hta kuliko east africa...

Yani mnafiki ni mnafiki tu..watanzania ni ma snitch tu walai...kwn tabia zenu hatuzijui....

Nan kasema sisi hatuko East Africa ???
Buddah umelewa leo.

 

[Ummayed]

Hao hao mabeberu unao wapaka...wanafadhili bajeti yenu

Wanafadhili kiurongo huku wakituwekea terms za unyonyaji??!!!!!!
Na Magufuli kaligundua hilo ndio maana anawakwepa finance zao nyingi.

 

[Kafrican]

I don't understand the intent or the purpose of this comment.

The purpose of that comment is , its not like Alshabaab was declared a terrorist group by the UN and now the UN has decided that its not a terrorist group anymore...
This did not stop Kenya from going to Somalia... Kenya can cry about UN decision not to declare Alshabaab a terrorist group but we should also be careful on what it would have meant if Alshabaab was officially designated as an independent terrorist group (and not an offshoot of Al-Qaeda). UN does not fund peace enforcement mission (The only UN funded peace enforcement mission is the one in DRC and it was only approved because things had completely gotten out of hand after more than 30 years of UN peacekeeping in DRC the situation was still getting worse).. UN only funds peace-Keeping missions which follow different rules of engagement.
Countries that officially recognize Alshabaab as terrorist organization are Australia, Canada,New Zealand, UAE,Norway, Singerpore, UK and believe it or not the USA also officially recognize alshabaab as a terrorist organization.

Foreign Terrorist Organizations - United States Department of State

Foreign Terrorist Organizations (FTOs) are foreign organizations that are designated by the Secretary of State in accordance with section 219 of the Immigration and Nationality Act (INA), as amended. FTO designations play a critical role in our fight against terrorism and are an effective means...

www.state.gov

If the UN had declared Alshabaab as an independent terrorist organization, that would have meant officially changing AMISOM from a peace-keeping mission (Protect civilians) to a peace-enforcement mission (only peruse alshabaab).. The later is what Kenya wants, its what we did the first year we entered Somalia when we had not officially joined AMISOM, thats why we were able do to so much in such a little time while Uganda had been there for years but only still occupied just the airport, stadium and presidential palace. But when we joined AMISOM, we officially became a peace-keeping force.



So back to my earlier point, The UNSC decision not to designate alshabaab as a terrorist organisation changes nothing on the ground. Alshabaab not being designated a terrorist group did not prevent Kenya from going to Somalia , it did not stop Kenya from delaring alshabaab a terrorist organization,it does not stop KDF from conduting airstrikes of Alshabaab it does not change what KDF and AMISOM are doing... As it goes, the status quo remains the same!

 

[Tony254]

The purpose of that comment is , its not like Alshabaab was declared a terrorist group by the UN and now the UN has decided that its not a terrorist group anymore...
This did not stop Kenya from going to Somalia... Kenya can cry about UN decision not to declare Alshabaab a terrorist group but we should also be careful on what it would have meant if Alshabaab was officially designated as an independent terrorist group (and not an offshoot of Al-Qaeda). UN does not fund peace enforcement mission (The only UN funded peace enforcement mission is the one in DRC and it was only approved because things had completely gotten out of hand after more than 30 years of UN peacekeeping in DRC the situation was still getting worse).. UN only funds peace-Keeping missions which follow different rules of engagement.
Countries that officially recognize Alshabaab as terrorist organization are Australia, Canada,New Zealand, UAE,Norway, Singerpore, UK and believe it or not the USA also officially recognize alshabaab as a terrorist organization.

Foreign Terrorist Organizations - United States Department of State

Foreign Terrorist Organizations (FTOs) are foreign organizations that are designated by the Secretary of State in accordance with section 219 of the Immigration and Nationality Act (INA), as amended. FTO designations play a critical role in our fight against terrorism and are an effective means...

www.state.gov

If the UN had declared Alshabaab as an independent terrorist organization, that would have meant officially changing AMISOM from a peace-keeping mission (Protect civilians) to a peace-enforcement mission (only peruse alshabaab).. The later is what Kenya wants, its what we did the first year we entered Somalia when we had not officially joined AMISOM, thats why we were able do to so much in such a little time while Uganda had been there for years but only still occupied just the airport, stadium and presidential palace. But when we joined AMISOM, we officially became a peace-keeping force.



So back to my earlier point, The UNSC decision not to designate alshabaab as a terrorist organisation changes nothing on the ground. Alshabaab not being designated a terrorist group did not prevent Kenya from going to Somalia , it did not stop Kenya from delaring alshabaab a terrorist organization,it does not stop KDF from conduting airstrikes of Alshabaab it does not change what KDF and AMISOM are doing... As it goes, the status quo remains the same!

Okay, i understand.

 

[Kafrican]

Sasa mbona mnapoteza nguvu nyingi kuomba UN iliweke kundi la Alshabaab katika orodha ya makundi ya kigaidi kama hakuna umuhimu kwa Kenya?, au ndio muendelezo wa Kenya wa kuamua mambo kwa kukurupuka bila kujiandaa kama mlivyojipeleka Somalia kichwa kichwa?

Ninachosema ni kwamba, hata kabla Kenya iende Somalia, Alshbaab ilikua inatambulika tu kama wafwasi wa Alqaeda... lakini alshabaab kama jihadist walikua hawatambuliki kama terrorist organization.... that was 2011 when alshabaab was estimated to be 13,000 in numbers, 8 years later Alshabaab are estimated to be between 2000 and 4,000! alshabaab is still not a terrorist group! So that means there is nothing stopping KDF from killing making that number to be less than 500 whether on not Alshabaab is designated as a terrorist organization by the UN!!!
Lengo letu la kutaka Alshabaab ikue declared a terrorist organization ilikua ni kutaka AMISOM igeuzwe kutaka peace-keeping mission na iwe peace-enforcement mission.. hata kama tume feli kufanya hivyo bado tunaweza kutumia loopholes kibao ... Kwa mfano UN ina regonise kwa Alshabaab ni wafwasi wa Alqaeda- hapo bado kuna loophole tunaeza kutumia kupapana na alshabaab nje ya UN peace-keeping rules of engagement.

CC

Kafrican Najua unamajonzi tele vizuri tu usijaribu kuyaficha na vijisababu vya hovyo.
Kama hakuna Msingi wowote wa kenya kuwasihi Marekani na UNSC ku watambua Al shabab kama magaidi..Basi kwa nini wakatumia hii nguvu yote ya kidiplomasia hali na mali kujaribu kuwashawishi?
Soma taarifa vizuri taarifa ujue sasa kama Shababu sio magaidi Kuna vikwazo fulani za kivita na pia vikwazo za kifedha

 

[joto la jiwe]

Okay, i understand.

Tony254, kwanini unapenda kukubaliana na watu wa hovyo kama huyu?, huyu jamaa hajui lolote zaidi ya kupiga domo tupu, yote aliyosema ni uongo mtupu. Ninyi wakenya sijui kwanini mnapenda sana kujifanya wajuaji, hamtaki kujifunza ili mjue mambo kwa undani, mnadhani mkisema sana ndio mtaonekana mnajua kila kitu, hata maofisini wakenya wako na hiyo tabia ya kujifanya wanajua kila kitu, hovyo kabisa ninyi watu.
1)AMISOM sio UN na wala hawako chini ya UN, ni AU program
2) Kazi ya msingi ya AMISOM ni kupigana na Alshabaab ili kurudisha utawala wa kidemokrasia na amani Somalia. Sio kweli anavyosema hawaruhusiwi kupigana( AMISOM is peace enforcement not peace keeping)
3) Uganda Army walifanya Kazi kubwa sana ya kuwatoa Alshabaab kutoka Mogadishu na kuwafurusha Alshabaab toka katika ya miji hatimaye kutoa nafasi ya kurejeshwa kwa Serikali ya Somalia, kumbuka vita vya mjini ni vigumu, sio sawa na vita vya msituni wanavyopigana KDF
4) AU imelitambua jeshi la Uganda kuwa ndio jeshi lililifanya Kazi nzuri zaidi kuliko nchi zote zilizounda AMISON na AU imetoa nishani ya kutukuka kwa jeshi la Uganda na sio KDF.

 

[joto la jiwe]

Ninachosema ni kwamba, hata kabla Kenya iende Somalia, Alshbaab ilikua inatambulika tu kama wafwasi wa Alqaeda... lakini alshabaab kama jihadist walikua hawatambuliki kama terrorist organization.... that was 2011 when alshabaab was estimated to be 13,000 in numbers, 8 years later Alshabaab are estimated to be between 2000 and 4,000! alshabaab is still not a terrorist group! So that means there is nothing stopping KDF from killing making that number to be less than 500 whether on not Alshabaab is designated as a terrorist organization by the UN!!!
Lengo letu la kutaka Alshabaab ikue declared a terrorist organization ilikua ni kutaka AMISOM igeuzwe kutaka peace-keeping mission na iwe peace-enforcement mission.. hata kama tume feli kufanya hivyo bado tunaweza kutumia loopholes kibao ... Kwa mfano UN ina regonise kwa Alshabaab ni wafwasi wa Alqaeda- hapo bado kuna loophole tunaeza kutumia kupapana na alshabaab nje ya UN peace-keeping rules of engagement.

CC

Acha kupitosha watu, AMISOM iliundwa na AU ikiwa na lengo la kupigana na Alshabaab ili kuwaondoa madarakani ili kurudisha utawala wa kiraia. Alshabaab walikua ndio wanaongoza Somalia, hapakua na peace yoyote ya kuilinda.

AMISOM ni peace enforcement Army, ni sawa na kikosi kilichoundwa na ECOWAS Kule "West Africa" kwenda kumfurusha Yahya Jamey alipokataa kuachia madaraka, kilitumwa ili kupigana na majeshi ya Jamey na kurudisha utawala wa kidemokrasia.