Riots break out in Nairobi over unused IEBC materials found at Kenyatta University

Riots break out in Nairobi over unused IEBC materials found at Kenyatta University

Duh uchguzi Africa ni ishu bora turudi na kuendelea kutawaliwa na wafalme na machifu tumeshindwa demokrasia kila siku tunaibiana kura katika chaguzi za kijambazi
 
Ab-Titchaz said:
Mkuu,

Karata ya wakikuyu na wakalenjin ni karata kubwa katika hizi kura. Jamaa nadhani hakujiamini ama
labda alikua anataka kutuma ujumbe flani sijui...ndo mambo yakaenda vile yalivyoenda. Sasa unajua
hii kitu sasa imekaa kiuwizi uwizi hivi na Raila lazima afikishe kesi mahakamani.
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Good Morning Ab-Titchaz,

By saying (Karata ya wakikuyu na wakalenjin ni karata kubwa katika hizi kura) this amounts to hate speech on tribal line.

What is Hate Speech?

Hate speech is, outside the law, communication that vilifies a person or a group on the basis of one or more characteristics such as ethnicity, race, gender, national origin, color, disability, age etc

In law, hate speech is any speech, gesture or conduct, writing, or display which is forbidden because it may incite violence or prejudicial action against or by a protected individual or group, or because it disparages or intimidates a protected individual or group.

I thought Jamiiforums was not a place where hate speech is not entertained.
As the Super Moderator, it is your work to crack down on hate speech so as to avoid the way Mashada.com forum went.

As you may be aware,the Govt has started tracking ip address so as to crab hate speech on social media.
The Government has identified individuals propagating hate messages on social media and mainstream media, according to Information Permanent Secretary Dr. Bitange Ndemo. Ndemo says that the evidence against the culprits has been handed over to the National Cohesion and Integration Commission, the Kenya Police and the Communications Commission of Kenya. He also added that the admins and bloggers responsible will be arraigned in court in once arrested.

I hope you watched your news yesterday night regarding Hate speech on social media as per Permanent secretary Dr. Bitange Ndeom on registration of individual ip address in Kenya.


The spotlight is being turned on the Kenyan Diaspora, who are currently dominating the social media networks with hate speech laden sentiments and arguments.
In an NTV exclusive, the News Readers went through extracts from Facebook denoting comments made in dialogue that reeked of Hate Speech.
In the run-up to the March 4th Elections, London Africa Media Network joined hands with the Ministry of Information & Communications, to look at the dangers posed by the social media networks such as Facebook, bloggers and Youtube postings.
Several consultations were held in a bid to identify ways and means of stemming the increase of hate speech online.
early in the year the Ministry had cracked down on a famous blogger ‘Mashada .com' which was shut down following investigations that revealed, they were engaged in hate speech and despite warnings, failed to curb the vitriol on the site.
With Kenyans all over the world engaged in a massive campaign for peace during and after the elections, there was a lull in the online exchanges on social media. This however seems to have gotten out of hand after the just concluded elections, with many engaging in negative banter on Facebook.
A quick survey indicates that most of these anti-social exchanges were being propagated by Kenyans in the Diaspora, most of whom were not at home during the elections and probably missed out on the national atmosphere that embraced the peace messages extensively.
During the Conference held on the 28th February and facilitated by London Africa Media Network in conjunction with the Ministry of Information & Communication in Nairobi the major focus was on online bloggers, social media and the Vernacular FM Radio services. these were deemed to be the biggest culprits during the 2007/08 post election violence.
This recent development from the social media networks is also coupled with the not so supportive nature of the Foreign Media who have also been noted to pick on the more negative stories surrounding the just concluded elections.
Kenyans however continue to remain firm about their resolve to promote peace in the country, and the message from those interviewed regarding this social media freak-shows is a unanimous -‘Shame on you'-Tribalists' to all those that are engaging in online negativity either in blogs or on Facebook.
Kenyans learned from the chaos and bloodshed of 2007/08 and none of them want a repeat of the same. They are jealously guarding that peace initiative at all costs and will not entertain a few misguided individuals trying to bring disrepute to the country they love.
In the International Media Briefing in London, facilitated by LAMN, the message was one and clear to them; report constructively and avoid over sensitization of issues without verifiable facts. Regardless, some of them came to Kenya hoping for another bloodbath in the midst of fire and brimstone, they got none of that as Kenyans conducted a free and fair election displaying a maturity beyond their dreams.

Give as your take on hate speech.
 
kungu1 said:
Good Morning Ab-Titchaz,

By saying (Karata ya wakikuyu na wakalenjin ni karata kubwa katika hizi kura) this amounts to hate speech on tribal line.

What is Hate Speech?

Hate speech is, outside the law, communication that vilifies a person or a group on the basis of one or more characteristics such as race,gender, sexual orientation, gender identity, national origin, color, ethnicity, religion, disability, or age.
In law, hate speech is any speech, gesture or conduct, writing, or display which is forbidden because it may incite violence or prejudicial action against or by a protected individual or group, or because it disparages or intimidates a protected individual or group.

I thought Jamiiforums was not a place where hate speech is not entertained.


The spotlight is being turned on the Kenyan Diaspora, who are currently dominating the social media networks with hate speech laden sentiments and arguments.
In an NTV exclusive, the News Readers went through extracts from Facebook denoting comments made in dialogue that reeked of Hate Speech.
In the run-up to the March 4th Elections, London Africa Media Network joined hands with the Ministry of Information & Communications, to look at the dangers posed by the social media networks such as Facebook, bloggers and Youtube postings.
Several consultations were held in a bid to identify ways and means of stemming the increase of hate speech online.
early in the year the Ministry had cracked down on a famous blogger ‘Mashada .com' which was shut down following investigations that revealed, they were engaged in hate speech and despite warnings, failed to curb the vitriol on the site.
With Kenyans all over the world engaged in a massive campaign for peace during and after the elections, there was a lull in the online exchanges on social media. This however seems to have gotten out of hand after the just concluded elections, with many engaging in negative banter on Facebook.
A quick survey indicates that most of these anti-social exchanges were being propagated by Kenyans in the Diaspora, most of whom were not at home during the elections and probably missed out on the national atmosphere that embraced the peace messages extensively.
During the Conference held on the 28th February and facilitated by London Africa Media Network in conjunction with the Ministry of Information & Communication in Nairobi the major focus was on online bloggers, social media and the Vernacular FM Radio services. these were deemed to be the biggest culprits during the 2007/08 post election violence.
This recent development from the social media networks is also coupled with the not so supportive nature of the Foreign Media who have also been noted to pick on the more negative stories surrounding the just concluded elections.
Kenyans however continue to remain firm about their resolve to promote peace in the country, and the message from those interviewed regarding this social media freak-shows is a unanimous -‘Shame on you'-Tribalists' to all those that are engaging in online negativity either in blogs or on Facebook.
Kenyans learned from the chaos and bloodshed of 2007/08 and none of them want a repeat of the same. They are jealously guarding that peace initiative at all costs and will not entertain a few misguided individuals trying to bring disrepute to the country they love.
In the International Media Briefing in London, facilitated by LAMN, the message was one and clear to them; report constructively and avoid over sensitization of issues without verifiable facts. Regardless, some of them came to Kenya hoping for another bloodbath in the midst of fire and brimstone, they got none of that as Kenyans conducted a free and fair election displaying a maturity beyond their dreams.
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I beg to differ.

It's all about perspective and jurisdiction when you bring in definitions like that.

Let it be known to you that saying Wakikuyu na Wakalenjin does not amount to hate speech
however you wanna slice it. Ijapo ningekua natukana kwa matusi na kejeli then that would be
something different.

If I say "Hawa wakalenjin ni wakimbiaji hodari sana"...is that hate speech?

Samahani kama nimekukwaza.
 
Kungu1 so long as it is directed towards kikuyus its allowed here, when the direction changes you get into hot soup.
 
The cobweb is becoming too complicated to reach, as expected.
 
Breakdown ya ksh 7 billion BVR kit meant to curb election fraud(double registration,ghost voters,double voting) kumetia dosari uchaguguzi wa Kenya.
 
Hao IEBC wameikosesha Kenya fursa ya kuwa taifa lenye demokrasia ya kweli.

Mwanzo niliweka heshima sana kwa Hassan being a youthful kiongozi nilitarajia afanye juu ya jazoea lakini kumbe hakuwa.

Mara ingine unajipata ukiuliza....hivi sisi waafrika twaweza kufanya lipi hasa katika ubora???

Ingawa mimi si mkenya lakini nilitamani sana Kenya ifaulu, kwa tunayoyaona sasa ni wazi Kenya haikutoboa hivyo IEBC lazima wakubali kubeba lawama........

Amani kwanza
 
Yaya Toure said:
Wewe ndo unawashwa ....kenya haitaongozwa na mtunanayetoka kabila la watu wasiotahiriwa...period!
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We jamaa huna busara. Chuki zenu zakikabila usilete hapa jukwaani, hatuko hivyo sisi watz. jirekebishe maramoja!
 
There may or may not have been a sinister intention here but the reaction was typical backwardness.Nilishangaa kumwona Ababu Namwamba aki congratulate wanafunzi kwa kufanya fujo.Im here n i saw it.

My point is one,even if there are a million runoffs Raila will never win.Hooliganism is his way.Violence is his means.Even God hates such.He and his party always has this dark energy around him,his words hower well intentioned.The democracy on trial campaign that cord launched the very same day was the one behind all this mess.
Raila please save us from your buls.t and go home.Must you be president???
 
I think you should be addressing IEBC rather than Raila for whatever this nation is facing.

Where did the ksh 12 billion meant for BVR kits go to? What are unmarked and marked ballot papers doing in an unsealed environment?
According to the electoral practise, all voting material upon completion of the voting exercise ought to be sealed, then ferried and secured at a central store and they can only be opened through a court order.

This begs the question again, why were marked and unmarked ballot papers left lying idle? Who broke their seals?

Is KU a holding center for presidential ballots....but again who broke this particular seals dammit!

It is in this breath that i find IEBC pretty much culpable, a good election done the wrong way.....
They must answer to Kenyans where they took/invested the 12 billion shillings they asked for.
 
Its true iebc is culpable.But violence is inexcusable.Iebc can explain their case in court or elsewhere,but can cord?I hope they file their petition today and save kenya.Its like life revolves around them.

But then again its easy to predict the outcome.If they lose,itakuwa mahakama bandia,followed by some unrest.If they win,violence will still be part of celebrations.This is cord.
 
Bamzi, some humour in your comment, ati they are very predictable.lol. If they lose they lose with it the support of Kenyans me included. But i really want them to file that petition, i want to see democracy on trial in black and white else its nonsense if they polarize this nation and cant put up a good fight at the courts.
Again if they dont file it, it will go into records as one of the disputed GE's stolen for the year 2013/2017. A bad history the courts can rewrite and with it rewrite my mind too among other Kenyans that had given up but stories kept coming and coming till they ressurected the doubts.lol.
Atleast u see some laxity on IEBC's part.
 
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livefire said:
I think you should be addressing IEBC rather than Raila for whatever this nation is facing.
Where did the ksh 12 billion meant for BVR kits go to? What are unmarked and marked ballot papers doing in an unsealed environment?
According to the electoral practise, all voting material upon completion of the voting exercise ought to be sealed, then ferried and secured at a central store and they can only be opened through a court order.
This begs the question again, why were marked and unmarked ballot papers left lying idle? Who broke their seals?
Is KU a holding center for presidential ballots....but again who broke this particular seals dammit!
It is in this breath that i find IEBC pretty much culpable, a good election done the wrong way.....
They must answer to Kenyans where they took/invested the 12 billion shillings they asked for.
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Raila is as culpable as anyone else in the cabinet, they implored on the iebc to single source for bvr kits, register voters in one month and go to polls two months later. Credible or not, the whole blame doesn't lie with iebc.
 
Dhuks said:
I just laugh at how you guys are desperate to produce scoops to prove the election was rigged, how does unmarked ballots kept somewhere amount to rigging?
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Good questions
 
Dhuks said:
Raila is as culpable as anyone else in the cabinet, they implored on the iebc to single source for bvr kits, register voters in one month and go to polls two months later. Credible or not, the whole blame doesn't lie with iebc.
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Did u miss the part that CORD raised the alarm on the BVR kits esp the sourcing procedures by one some Mary Wambui (there are so many mary wambuis but u can pick one for practicability purposes)...
Why was the tendering process not halted when it was glaring to all that the procurement act 2005 and its regulations 2006 were punitively flouted. Who pushed for its actualization cause i think CORD raised the red flag over the whole process but actors in govt prevailed all the same. Some of these demons will find their way back to the courts.
 
Ab-Titchaz said:
I beg to differ.

It's all about perspective and jurisdiction when you bring in definitions like that.

Let it be known to you that saying Wakikuyu na Wakalenjin does not amount to hate speech
however you wanna slice it. Ijapo ningekua natukana kwa matusi na kejeli then that would be
something different.

If I say "Hawa wakalenjin ni wakimbiaji hodari sana"...is that hate speech?

Samahani kama nimekukwaza.
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Good Afternoon Ab-Titchaz,

From your quote (Karata ya wakikuyu na wakalenjin ni karata kubwa katika hizi kura)

Is this a complement to the 2 tribes?

From your second quote ( "Hawa wakalenjin ni wakimbiaji hodari sana".) this a complement on their abilities in running.
 
livefire said:
Bamzi, some humour in your comment, ati they are very predictable.lol. If they lose they lose with it the support of Kenyans me included. But i really want them to file that petition, i want to see democracy on trial in black and white else its nonsense if they polarize this nation and cant put up a good fight at the courts.
Again if they dont file it, it will go into records as one of the disputed GE's stolen for the year 2013/2017. A bad history the courts can rewrite and with it rewrite my mind too among other Kenyans that had given up but stories kept coming and coming till they ressurected the doubts.lol.
Atleast u see some laxity on IEBC's part.
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They are already demonstrating outside the supreme courts before the filing.The way i get it is that they want justice their way.Not otherwise!!
And yes iebc has questions to answer
 
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