SGR Construction in Tanzania - UPDATES

[Geza Ulole]

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July 8, 2018
The local experts, whose fields range from engineering to operators, are expected to be trained in South Korea, Ethiopia, China, Turkey and India.

Launched by President John Magufuli this year, the standard gauge railway, whose construction is being undertaken by a Turkish firm, Yapi Merkezi, and a Portuguese company, Mota-Engil, is expected to link the port of Dar es salaam with Mwanza and other regions including neighbouring Rwanda and Burundi.

Tanzania Railway Corporation (TRC) Executive Director Masanja Kadogosa told reporters yesterday in Dar es Salaam at the 42nd Dar es Salaam International Trade Fair-2018 (TANTRADE) that Tanzania had already signed agreements with the five countries.

He said the move aimed at ensuring that local experts were fully equipped and trained to operate much awaited modern form of railway transport in the country.

Construction of the mega project, which is being undertaken in phases, is going on at a quick pace.

The first stretch is from Dar es Salaam to Morogoro while the second is from Makutupora, in Dodoma region, to Morogoro.

Kadogosa, a former Reli Assets Holding Company (RAHCO) boss before it was merged with Tanzania Railways Limited (TRL), said only qualified operators had been selected for the training.

“We have selected a team of experts in communication, logistics, technicians, civil, and electrical engineering including locomotive operators,” he said.

According to him, the course duration will be from six months to two years, depending on the type of course.

Tanzania has chosen the five countries to train local experts due to their experience in running bullet trains in their respective countries.

Kadogosa said local personnel needed more training and skills acquisition from experienced countries to man the new mode of transport

“Through this collaboration in technology, local experts will be able to cope with the technology to run the SGR system effectively,” he said.

“Local personnel who will leave for training in Turkey will have to wait a bit for the election temperature in the host country to cool down,” he said. Turkey held presidential elections last month.

Regarding the speed of SGR construction, he said it was running concurrently with the construction of modern electric workshops.

“We have already achieved a 30 per cent mark in the construction of pillars from Dar es Salaam to Pugu station for the railway,” he said.

According to him, construction of the 205-kilometre first phase from Dar es Salaam to Morogoro station will be completed on time since the contractors has increased manpower and machinery.

The 30-month first phase project, which is part of the 1,219 kilometres stretching to neighbouring East African Community countries, is expected to cost Sh2.7 trillion, with the entire project from Dar es salaam to Mwanza expected to cost $7bn.

Phase one of the project is designed for passenger trains with speeds of up to 160km/h and freight trains of a top speed of 120km/h. It will have six stations including a dry port at Ruvu, and will be able to carry 17 million tonnes of freight annually.

 

[Geza Ulole]

Mliwaambia nn hadi wakakubali yenu Ni bora ilhali Wakenya mnalalamika mliliwa?tena ya Ethiopia Ni ya gharama nafuu na nzuri kuliko yenu by far. ..mnapenda kusifiwa sana lakini tatizo vigezo Hamna

Kwa hiyo tofauti ya 5 mln tons kwa diesel SGR ya Kenya ndo inaipa gharama mara mbili ya electrical SGR ya Tanzania? U r sick in ur head. Hivi unajua diesel engines can also operate on SGR ya Tanzania?

 

[mkorinto]

hiyo ni mojawepo ya garama, amabayo tumeshawashinda..

kitu chengine, matuta ya sgr kenya yanawekwa angalau 2 meters above the ground, matuta ya SGR yanawekwa hata 0.6m hadi 1meter... tofauti ni kubwa sana kwa garama..

alafu la muhimu zaidi..reli ya Kenya ina uwezo wa kubeba tani 22 million kwa mwaka hata kama inatumia diesel...
wakati reli ya Tz inauwezo wa 17 million tonnes kwa mwaka na inatumia electric traction... mwishowe kitaeleweka tu! wa Ethiopia tayari washakubali kua kati ya reli zote zinazojengwa Kenya, Ethiopia, Tanzania. ..ni reli ya Kenya ndo iko superior zaidi ya hizo nyengine hata kama inatumia diesel!

but unayo taarifa kwamba kuna maeneo kuta za reli zimeanza kuvunjwa na maji???
unaweza sema chochote ukiongozwa na ushabiki but kiuhalisia hakuna sababu yenye mashiko ku double the price???unadhani tutachukua muda gani kurudisha gharama za ujenzi wake na kulipa pesa ya watu???
hamkutafiti katika hili.

 

[Geza Ulole]

^^ Eti Simple,,,, dont you mean cheaply designed, niliwaambia muwache ku compare reli iliyojengwa(kenya) vs reli iliyo kwa makaratasi... nikawaambia mtulie hadi ikamilike alafu ndo mpige makelele.... pole pole tu kadri mnavyoendeleza ujenzi mtaanza kuelewa kwanini reli ya Kenya ilikua gali...


Quick facts:

Uzinduzi rasmi wa phase 2A kenya ulianza October 2016....


Uzinduzi rasmi wa SGR Dar-Moro ulifanyika April 2017.. yani miezi sita baadaye... lakini mkataba wenyewe ulisema hau waturuki wajenge mchana na usiku tofauti na Kenya ambapo ujenzi unaendelea masaa 12 kwa siku...kwahivyo hio miezi sita ya ujenzi wa Kenya mnafaa muwe mulishaipiga lap kwasababu kwa kila siku kenya inafanya ujenzi tz inafanya atleast mara moja na nusu zaidi....
Simple and elegant is what you also describe a house built from shipping containers or a poor maasai kid wearing necklaces and beads... the words you should have been looking for to describe train stations built in this century is Iconic, state of the art, masterpiece, symbolic, mordern...etc


lakini ukiangalia tofauti ya progree ni kubwa sana!!!! swali ni je huu ujenzi wa usiku na mchana unaendelea kweli ama ni mchezo wa pata potea...

Sisi ni mwendo wa futuristic steel, glass n cladding designs!

 

[kirk git]

Kenyan sgr is expensive but very poorly designed. The train stations weren't even integrated with the local road network.

Function must always preceed aesthetics. All over Europe, train stations are designed to function and last as long as possible due to huge traffic.

Kenyan stations look like they were made from cheap chinese plastics that degrade when exposed to the elements and human usage.

 

[Geza Ulole]

Dar station

Imekaa kama kito flani cha madini

 

[Quinn]

Ndo maana kenyans mnaendelea kuibiwa na serikali ya kenya because you use lies to cover the truth by doing xo ur protecting thieves..who said the railway stations do matter most than railway tract...hzo stations ni kwaajili tu ya ku accomodate passengers but kinachowaleta wale passangers sio stations but ni railway plus trains on it whch are costful....ingelikuwa stations ndo SGR basi kila nchi Africa ingekuwa nayo.

 

[Geza Ulole]

Pugu station

Kutoka hapa kutakuwa na connection ya light train to JNIA then to Dar city center.

 

[Geza Ulole]

Ndo maana kenyans mnaendelea kuibiwa na serikali ya kenya because you use lies to cover the truth by doing xo ur protecting thieves..who said the railway stations do matter most than railway tract...hzo stations ni kwaajili tu ya ku accomodate passengers but kinachowaleta wale passangers sio stations but ni railway plus trains on it whch are costful....ingelikuwa stations ndo SGR basi kila nchi Africa ingekuwa nayo.

Halafu hata station zetu ni bomba zaidi. Naona steel, glass n cladding! Futuristic! Concrete achia Mchina pale Kunyaland.

 

[ArchAngel]

Hivi huu mradi haujafa tu?

 

[3rd man]

June progress updates, kazi inaenda vizuri sana...

Waturkey nawakubali Sana kuliko wachina

 

[Geza Ulole]

hiyo ni mojawepo ya garama, amabayo tumeshawashinda..

kitu chengine, matuta ya sgr kenya yanawekwa angalau 2 meters above the ground, matuta ya SGR Tz yanawekwa hata 0.6m hadi 1meter... tofauti ni kubwa sana kwa garama..

alafu la muhimu zaidi..reli ya Kenya ina uwezo wa kubeba tani 22 million kwa mwaka hata kama inatumia diesel...
wakati reli ya Tz inauwezo wa 17 million tonnes kwa mwaka na inatumia electric traction... mwishowe kitaeleweka tu! wa Ethiopia tayari washakubali kua kati ya reli zote zinazojengwa Kenya, Ethiopia, Tanzania. ..ni reli ya Kenya ndo iko superior zaidi ya hizo nyengine hata kama inatumia diesel!

Matuta bila drainage ni kazi bure! Ndo maana yanameguka! Pitia hapa

NDII: New railway is not value for money

 

[Kafrican]

Mliwaambia nn hadi wakakubali yenu Ni bora ilhali Wakenya mnalalamika mliliwa?tena ya Ethiopia Ni ya gharama nafuu na nzuri kuliko yenu by far. ..mnapenda kusifiwa sana lakini tatizo vigezo Hamna

eti nzuri by far? kulingana na vigezo gani hivyo? reli inayokwama njiani kwa masaa 7 sababu stima zimepotea?

walalamishi utawapata nchi yeyote, hata huko Tz kunao wapinzani wengi sana wa sgr yenu, kuna video flani ilipostiwa mbunge wa tz alikua analinganisha ujenzi wa sgr ya kenya na Tz na aliku anacheka jinsi vile mwaka mmoja baadaye hajaona hata kilomita moja ya reli...


alafu kuhusu vigezo, nimeshakupa vigezo kadhaa kama uwezo wa kubeba mizigo kwa mwaka, urefu wa matuta, garama ya stesheni ambapo Kenya iligharimika 7% of the cost kujenga stesheni......



Hii hapa comment moja ya muEthiopia baada ya kupiga mahesabu.....


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Quote:
Originally Posted by zehabesha2018
Hello Guys; what is your opinion regarding an article which compares ethiopian SGR with that of Tanzania. Here is the article.....
Railway Under Construction in Tanzania Probably Africa's Best

Reply:
I would be careful. Speed is not the only thing. Ethiopia has an extremely rugged and mountaineous surface in many parts of the country. Tanzania is rather flat. Kenya as well but with sections in the great rift valley with steep slopes.
From the long-term costs the Kenyan railway will be superior compared to the other two - and possibly faster after electrification. But the other two are well-adapted to their respective environments.

 

[Kafrican]

Matuta bila drainage ni kazi bure! Ndo maana yanameguka! Pitia hapa

NDII: New railway is not value for money

nani alikudanganya matuta hayana drainage???? drainage iko kutoka mwanzo hadi mwisho!!

 

[Geza Ulole]

Meanwhile SGR Kenya

 

[Quinn]

Dar station

Hizi ndio stations which dipict an art of creativity...Sio stations za kenya ni makubwa but exterior and internal attractions or designing are not fascinating or convicing

 

[Kafrican]

Meanwhile SGR Kenya

hilo la wanyama kugongwa ni changamoto ambazo hata nyinyi mtapitia... kama nilivyosema Ngojeni yenu ijengwe mwanzo alafu ndo muingilie za wenzenu.... wamaasai hua wanakata fence na kulisha ngome na mbuzi ndani ya lile eneo kwasababu hua halijaguswa na mtu kwa muda kwahivyo nyasi zime mea vizuri, alafu baadae haswa usiku, wanyama pori wanatumia njia hio hio kuingia kwa reli na kugonwa .... kuna watu wanapendekeza maeneo mengine ya fence yakue electrified ili binadamu wasitubuthu hata kushika..
alafu kuna jamaa wa kuuza screpu nao wamechacha kung'oa fence Vandals leave standard gauge rail operator with Sh1.2bn hole

 

[Geza Ulole]

hilo la wanyama kugongwa ni changamoto ambazo hata nyinyi mtapitia... kama nilivyosema Ngojeni yenu ijengwe mwanzo alafu ndo muingilie za wenzenu.... wamaasai hua wanakata fence na kulisha ngome na mbuzi ndani ya lile eneo kwasababu hua halijaguswa na mtu kwa muda kwahivyo nyasi zime mea vizuri, alafu baadae haswa usiku, wanyama pori wanatumia njia hio hio kuingia kwa reli na kugonwa .... kuna watu wanapendekeza maeneo mengine ya fence yakue electrified ili binadamu wasitubuthu hata kushika..
alafu kuna jamaa wa kuuza screpu nao wamechacha kung'oa fence Vandals leave standard gauge rail operator with Sh1.2bn hole

Where did that bridge go? Stop assuming hata sisi tutapata tatizo Hili! Idiot, ur locomotives where supposed to have sensors!

 

[Geza Ulole]

Hizi ndio stations which dipict an art of creativity...Sio stations za kenya ni makubwa but exterior and internal attractions or designing are not fascinating or convicing

BTW Can u give us the size in square meters for each? It is had to tell how big will ours be by mere photos!

 

[Kafrican]

Where did that bridge go? Stop assuming hata sisi tutapata tatizo Hili! Idiot, ur locomotives where supposed to have sensors!

what bridge? and how do you know you wont face similar challenges that any new mega project is bound to face..... people used to jump off tall buldings to commit suicide before it became regulation that all tall buildning must put measures in place to prevent such kind of thing....

And how would sensors work to stop a train moving at 110km/hr from hitting a herd of bufallows or even just one lion that has been detected some 50meters ahead in the middle of the night...
the only bright idea I can come up with now is to put one of those crowd control speakers that emit a certain frequency that keeps all the animals away from the sgr when its about to pass tsavo park although conservationist will oppose that kind of measure... the next one is to put proximity sensors along the fence itself, once the sensors are activated LED lights start flashing to scare off animals... some parks like NNP use that to deter animals from crossing..