Special Thread: Yanayojiri Mgogoro wa Ukraine na Urusi. Nini chanzo na hatma ya mzozo?

[Sela Son]

Lengo la kwanza la Ukraine ni kulinda uhuru wa taifa hilo lisiwe koloni la Urusi au vassal state kama Belarus. Lengo la pili ni kuwaondoa wavamizi kwenye ardhi yake irudishe mipaka yake ya kabla ya mwaka 2014.

Mafanikio ni kuweza kupambania uhuru wake na kuzuia mpaka sasa kumezwa na kufanywa koloni kikamilifu na taifa lilikuwa linasemekana ni la pili kwa nguvu za kijeshi duniani.

I'la wako Tayari kuwa vassal state ya US

 

[Sela Son]

Mnarusha hovyo bila target mnaharibu makazi na mashuleView attachment 2336743

Hata wakifa soldiers watakubali basii?

 

[Jackal]

Baada ya hali kuwa ngumu huko Ukraine,Urusi yahamisha S-300 zake zilizoko Syria kwenda Black Sea.

Russia Pulls Its 'Syrian' S-300 Missile Battery, Ships It To Black Sea

Russia 'gifted' Syria the S-300 after a friendly fire incident, but it remained in Russia control and now it's heading towards Ukraine.

www.thedrive.com

 

[Mathanzua]

Umeelezeq hoja nyingi sana za kuunga dots sasa naomba unipe ufafanuzi kidogo hapo.

1. Umesema hao khazarians walikuwa inayoitwa ukraine kabla hawajasambaratishwa dunia nzima na kujipachika kwenye system za utawala za dunia. Je unaweza kutusaidia exactly walianza kutawanywa miaka gani na hao wa soviet? Hata kwa makadirio tu.

2. System za kiutawala za dunia utazungumzia Quuenship mfano uingereza, belgium na scotland ni utawala unaorithishwa je waliwezaje kupenya kwenye tawala za kurithi ukoo?

3. Monarch systems nyingi za ulaya zilianza zamani mnamo karne ya 9 na 10 sasa je ipi ili accomodate nyingine kati ya monarch system na hiyo so called khazarians?

Nisaidie hayo maswali yangu mkuu.

Issue ya The Khazarian Mafia nimei-elezea sana hapa JF,sijui umei-miss vipi.Anyway kukusaidia fuata link hii👉Khazarian Mafia and its evil plan to infiltrate, tyrannize the whole World and eradicate all Abrahamic Religions and take over the World.
Nilichokuwa nimewakilisha ni summary tu.

 

[triga]

Ok. Shukran. Lakni nakumbuka mwanzon Putin aliwahi toa onyo. Akizionya Finland na swiden zikijiunga na NATO zitakiona Cha moto... Ebu nisaidie hapa.

Na jingine hivi kabla ya uvamizi wa Urusi Ukraine. Ni wananchi wapi Wana hali ya maisha mazuri kati ya raia wa Ukraine na Russia?

Labda ungetoa na reference tuone namna Putin alivyosema "... watakiona cha moto" kwa ninavyojua mimi Putin alionya kwamba kujiunga NATO kwa nchi hizo kutakuwa na consequences na hasa kama wakiruhusu deployment ya silaha za NATO kwenye nchi zao. Na hili alilisema baada ya na wala sio kabla. Kama unareference ya putin kutoa onyo kabla tafadhali liweke hapa.

Wananchi wa urusi ndio wenye maisha mazuri zaidi kwa mujibu wa takwimu za kiuchumi nizijuazo.

 

[Jackal]

Inakadiriwa Urusi imebaki na 20% tu ya "Ballistic Missiles"🤔

Ukraine Situation Report: Kyiv Claims Russia Is Running Low On Missiles

Kyiv estimates Russia has just 20 percent of its Iskander ballistic missiles left as other stocks have dwindled from constant strikes.

www.thedrive.com

 

[Bachelor ll]

Hakuna namna, wacha waishi tu kama 'mashetani'....Putin aliwadekeza mno kuwauzia wese na gas kwa bei ya dezodezo...wataendelea kulia kilio cha kusaga meno!

Magufuli angekuwa hai angeshuhudia namna mabeberu yaliyozoea kuishi kama malaika kupitia mafuta/gesi ya dezo sasa yakiishi kama mashetani.

JPM angecheka saana kwa dharau

 

[vunjo]

Kipigo bado kinaendelea tunazidi kuwakata pumzi hwaamini[emoji1787][emoji1787][emoji1787]

 

[vunjo]

Inamaana hao 160k wamepungua sana wanaongeza wengine duu waleteni[emoji1787][emoji1787][emoji1787]

 

[vunjo]

Endeleeni kupiga majengo ya shule na hospitali sisi tunapiga military base

 

[vunjo]

Tunashambulia maeneo muhimu

 

[vunjo]

Kipigo cha mbwa koko kinaendelea

 

[Mkongwee]

Kwa mujibu wa bwana Putin mwenyewe. (Ma)Lengo kuu la military operation yake hapo Ukraine ni;-
1. Demilitarization of Ukraine
2. Denazification of Ukraine
3. Russian speaking Ukrainians in Donbass
Haya aliyasema kwa kinywa chake mwenyewe siku anatangaza kuanza kwa operesheni hiyo ya kijeshi.

Kuhusu Ukraine kujiunga NATO na swala la mipaka naweza kusema ili uelewe inabidi ujue ishu sio kupakana kimipaka kati ya NATO na Urusi (yaani sio kwamba Urusi anaogopa kupakana kimipaka na NATO). Juzi (wakati Finland na Sweden zimetangaza kujiunga na NATO) Putin amesema hawaoni tatizo nchi hizo kujiunga na umoja huo kwa sababu hawana territorial issues nazo wala disputes zozote na hivyo hawaoni shida sana nchi hizo kujiunga na NATO. Na pia akaongeza kuwa hizo nchi zitakubaliwa kujiunga na NATO ila hazitakubaliwa endapo zikitaka kudeploy silaha za NATO kwenye nchi zao na endapo zitafanya hivyo Moscow itarespond.

Msikilize mwenyewe putin "We do not have such problems with Sweden and Finland, which, unfortunately, we have with Ukraine. We have no territorial issues… no disputes…"
"Only they should plainly and clearly realize that there were no threats before, now, if military contingents and infrastructure are deployed there, we will have to respond in a mirror manner and create the same threats to the territories from which threats are created to us,"

Hoja kwamba Urusi kwa kuanzisha uvamizi wa kijeshi dhidi ya nchi jirani ili kuzuia nchi hiyo isijuinge na NATO ilisemwa na katibu mkuu wa NATO bwana Stoltenberg ili kuonesha kwamba lengo la Urusi kutaka kuzuia kusogelewa zaidi na NATO halijafikiwa na badala yake ndio kazidi kuzungukwa zaidi kwa nchi jirani nyingine kujiunga na NATO. Putin alijibu hoja hii kwa kusema Ukraine kujiunga na NATO ni tofauti na Finland au Sweden kujiunga na NATO au nchi nyingine. Hata hao NATO wenyewe wanaelewa;
"These are completely different things. They understand this perfectly, and they just throw this thesis into public opinion to show that Russia did not achieve the desired outcomes," alisema Putin

Kutokana na hayo yote naweza kufupisha malengo ya Urusi ni kuikomboa donbass na kulinda raia wake walioko huko na kutengeneza mazingira yatakayohakikisha usalama wao ikiwemo kuizuiq Ukraine kujiunga NATO. Ni kwa bahati mbaya sisi inakuwa vigumu kuelewa ni vipi Ukraine kujiunga NATO kuwe ni hatari kwa Urusi na sio kwa nchi nyingine zilizopakana na Urusi. Wao Urusi wanajua ni kwa vipi ndio maana hawataki na NATO wanajua ni kwa vipi ndio maana walikuwa wanalazimisha sana Ukraine ijiunga na si nchi hizo nyinginezo.

Umeandika vzr na umeeleweka tofauti na wengi humu
Habari za vita wao wanaleta ushabiki wa Simba na Yanga

 

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Kipigo bado kinaendelea tunazidi kuwakata pumzi hwaamini[emoji1787][emoji1787][emoji1787]

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[Yoda]

1.Hakuna silaha za NATO, kila nchi mwanachama wa NATO inatengeneza, kuuza au kununua silaha kibinafsi kama vile tu ambavyo Uturuki inanunua na kuuzia silaha Urusi. Finland ananunua na kuuza silaha kwa nchi nyingi tu ambazo ni wanachama wa NATO, hakuna hoja ya maana katika hili kwamba tatizo sio kupakana bali ni silaha.

2.Hakuna mgogoro wa mpaka kati ya Ukraine na Russia. Mipaka ya Ukraine iko wazi, hata Russia yenyewe haijwahi kudai Crimea au Donbas ni sehemu ya mipaka yake, walichokifanya ni uhuni wa kuchochea vurugu hayo maeneo yajitangaze huru yajiunge na Russia halafu wakatangaza wanafanya Peacekeeping mission

3.Hakuna raia wa Urusi Donbas, unaposema kuna raia wa Urusi Donbas ni sawa na Kenya kusema kuna raia wake Wamasai Arusha au Msumbiji kusema kuna raia wake Wamakonde Mtwara au Uganda kusema kuna raia wake Kagera au Burundi kusema kuna raia wake Kagera. Ni upuuzi mtupu.

4.NATO haijwahi kutaka au kulazimisha Ukraine ijiunge nayo, kusema hivyo ni kutokujua mchakato wa nchi kujiunga na NATO.Haikuwa na vigezo vingi sana, nchi ZOTE wanachama hazikuwahi kujadili wala kuridhia hilo suala, Olaf, Kansela wa Ujerumani alimuambia Putin hata kabla hii vita haijaanza Ukraine haiwezi kuwa mwanachama wa NATO hata kwa miaka 30 ijayo.

5.Kusema tu Putin na NATO ndio wanajua tatizo la Ukraine kujiunga na NATO ni utopolo.

Kwa mujibu wa bwana Putin mwenyewe. (Ma)Lengo kuu la military operation yake hapo Ukraine ni;-
1. Demilitarization of Ukraine
2. Denazification of Ukraine
3. Russian speaking Ukrainians in Donbass
Haya aliyasema kwa kinywa chake mwenyewe siku anatangaza kuanza kwa operesheni hiyo ya kijeshi.

Kuhusu Ukraine kujiunga NATO na swala la mipaka naweza kusema ili uelewe inabidi ujue ishu sio kupakana kimipaka kati ya NATO na Urusi (yaani sio kwamba Urusi anaogopa kupakana kimipaka na NATO). Juzi (wakati Finland na Sweden zimetangaza kujiunga na NATO) Putin amesema hawaoni tatizo nchi hizo kujiunga na umoja huo kwa sababu hawana territorial issues nazo wala disputes zozote na hivyo hawaoni shida sana nchi hizo kujiunga na NATO. Na pia akaongeza kuwa hizo nchi zitakubaliwa kujiunga na NATO ila hazitakubaliwa endapo zikitaka kudeploy silaha za NATO kwenye nchi zao na endapo zitafanya hivyo Moscow itarespond.

Msikilize mwenyewe putin "We do not have such problems with Sweden and Finland, which, unfortunately, we have with Ukraine. We have no territorial issues… no disputes…"
"Only they should plainly and clearly realize that there were no threats before, now, if military contingents and infrastructure are deployed there, we will have to respond in a mirror manner and create the same threats to the territories from which threats are created to us,"

Hoja kwamba Urusi kwa kuanzisha uvamizi wa kijeshi dhidi ya nchi jirani ili kuzuia nchi hiyo isijuinge na NATO ilisemwa na katibu mkuu wa NATO bwana Stoltenberg ili kuonesha kwamba lengo la Urusi kutaka kuzuia kusogelewa zaidi na NATO halijafikiwa na badala yake ndio kazidi kuzungukwa zaidi kwa nchi jirani nyingine kujiunga na NATO. Putin alijibu hoja hii kwa kusema Ukraine kujiunga na NATO ni tofauti na Finland au Sweden kujiunga na NATO au nchi nyingine. Hata hao NATO wenyewe wanaelewa;
"These are completely different things. They understand this perfectly, and they just throw this thesis into public opinion to show that Russia did not achieve the desired outcomes," alisema Putin

Kutokana na hayo yote naweza kufupisha malengo ya Urusi ni kuikomboa donbass na kulinda raia wake walioko huko na kutengeneza mazingira yatakayohakikisha usalama wao ikiwemo kuizuiq Ukraine kujiunga NATO. Ni kwa bahati mbaya sisi inakuwa vigumu kuelewa ni vipi Ukraine kujiunga NATO kuwe ni hatari kwa Urusi na sio kwa nchi nyingine zilizopakana na Urusi. Wao Urusi wanajua ni kwa vipi ndio maana hawataki na NATO wanajua ni kwa vipi ndio maana walikuwa wanalazimisha sana Ukraine ijiunga na si nchi hizo nyinginezo.

 

[Yoda]

Sio kisingizio, ni kweli Ukraine ilitaka kujiunga NATO.

Mkuu wa NATO bwana yule alisema kila Taifa Lina haki ya kujichagulia.

Chukua hii

 

[Yoda]

Hakuna Silaha za NATO, kuna vikosi vya NATO ambavyo kila nchi mwanachama inakuja na sila zake vinapokuwa deployed. Kila nchi mwanachama wa NATO anazo silaha zake.

Labda ungetoa na reference tuone namna Putin alivyosema "... watakiona cha moto" kwa ninavyojua mimi Putin alionya kwamba kujiunga NATO kwa nchi hizo kutakuwa na consequences na hasa kama wakiruhusu deployment ya silaha za NATO kwenye nchi zao. Na hili alilisema baada ya na wala sio kabla. Kama unareference ya putin kutoa onyo kabla tafadhali liweke hapa.

Wananchi wa urusi ndio wenye maisha mazuri zaidi kwa mujibu wa takwimu za kiuchumi nizijuazo.

 

[idawa]

Kuna mwingine anaitwa Dotworld , achana na huyu mwamba

Huyu Dotworld alikuwa hatari sana kwa habari za Urusi. Sijui Yuko wapi huyu mwamba.

 

[Muuza viatu]

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[Intuition]

Huyu Dotworld alikuwa hatari sana kwa habari za Urusi. Sijui Yuko wapi huyu mwamba.

Huyu jamaa nimejaribu kuzitafuta hata nyuzi zake za zamani sizipati kabisa....Kuhusu masuala ya Urusi na USA tulikua tunapata shule mujarabu kabisa...buree, bila matusi bila karaha....kuna jamaa pia walikua wanashusha nondo za USA mpaka raha...

Sasa hivi watu wanaojiita mathink tank...wanapresent hisia zao tu..wanaandika huku machozi yanawalenga...mapenzi yamezidi..mbaya sana hii