Special Thread: Yanayojiri Mgogoro wa Ukraine na Urusi. Nini chanzo na hatma ya mzozo?

Yoda said:
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Kwa hiyo after 30 years wangeweza kujiunza NATO...?

Unajua Mara nyingi nakuona una post hiya maneno ya Olaf.

Ni hivi, promise za namna hii, zilitolewa miaka 30 huko wakati USSR inasambaratika. Kwamba NATO isingesogea kutoka pale West German. Je, Leo hii wako wapi?

Russia walikuwa wanataka written guarantee ya huyo Ukraine kutojiunga NATO, Sasa kwa nini US alikataa kutoa hiyo Written guarantee?
 
Diplomacy serves the strongest....Mpaka sasa dunia ilikuwa chini ya west yaani USA na nchi makuwadi wake plus NATO. PUTIN is trying to change this, and I can say in earnest he is winning in this mission....If you remember UN iliikataza USA, NATO na west kutoishambulia Iraq, lakini kwa ujeuri mkubwa hiyo haikusaidia. Wakaishambulia Iraq wakamuua Sadam Hussein na kuisambaratisha Iraq nq qmbayo mpka sasa tunaweza kusema nchi hiyo haitawaliki....Kwa Libya ilikuwa hivyo hivyo wakamuua Mummar GADHAFI NA KUISAMBARATISHA lIBYA. Dgambi ya Saddam na Muammart haikuwa udikteta. Dhambi yao ni kutaka dollar isiwe fedha ya dunia na baadala yake nchi zote duniani zitumie vigezo vya dhahabu kama rate of exchange......Serbia nayo ilipigwa kwa kile kinachoitwa carpet bombing....Yaani mabomu yanarindima non stop na kupiga nchi and everything wakiwemo raia kwa kisingizio cha 'collateral damage' . Yaani ni unyama wa kutisha. Huko Ukraine PUTIN anafanya ubinadamu 'uliopitiliza' kwa kuwajali raia wakati wa vita. Milosevic wa Serbia naye alijkufa akiwa gerezani lakini inasadikiwa alililishwa sumu.

Diplomacy kwa dunia ya sasa haiwezi kufanikiwa kamwe mpaka unipolar world itokomezwe.
 
Kiukweli uzi umepoteza dira kiaina, taarifa zimekua chache huku kuvimbiana nani mbabe ndio kumejaa kama watoto vile.

Sijawahi kuona mahala mtu mzima akashindana hoja na mtoto mjadala ukaisha kwa ushindi upande wa mtu mzima. Kwa7b Mtu mzima atakuwa anaelimisha huku mtoto akiwa anajipatia burdani kwenye michezo yake.

Sasa Saturday to Friday mchana jioni usiku, ni upande kuita warusi wadhaifu upande wa pili ukifanya kutetea. Hadi kuna jamaa zangu hapa imenibidi niwa'ignore tu na wao. Sio kwamba wako zero hapana wanajua sana vitu ila wanajisahau kama kum'prove chizi wrong ni kujidharirisha tu.

Kuna watu huwa wanapaswa kuachwa kama walivyo. It's disgusting mno, Hakuna mvuto wa kuzungumza kiukweli. So wacha tuendelee kuwa wapitaji.
 
Ungeanza kwanza kujiuliza kwa nini Ukraine itake kujiunga NATO kabla ya kuanza kuuliza kama baada ya miaka 30 itajiunga.

Hakuna promises yoyote iliyoweka kwamba NATO isingesogea kutoka West Germany, hizo ni porojo tu.Katika NATO- Russia founding Act ya 1997 Russia iliridhia kila nchi huru kujiamulia mustakbali wake ikiwa ni pamoja na kujiunga na alliances ambazo inaona zina manufaa kwake.

Russia ilikuwa inasapoti uasi mashariki mwa Ukraine, iliichukua Crimea, inasapoti uasi katika majimbo kadhaa ya Georgia halafu juu ya hayo bado inataka written guarantee ya Ukraine kutojiunga NATO!!! Sasa Ukraine ingebaki na leverage gani kwa adui anayetishia sovereignty na existence yake kama taifa ??!
Halafu unafahamu Written guarantee ya US kuhusu NATO ni suala la Congress sio la Rais? Hiyo ishu ingefika Congress ya US isingepata hata robo ya kura za Republicans tu.
 
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Sasa hv vikwazo visivyokua dhaifu vimesaidia kipi!!?
Tokea hii SMO imeanza kuna mavikwazo zaidi ya 10k wamemuekea havijarejesha CRIMEA MAURIOPOL KHERSON na wala KHARKIV na bado wanashikilia ZNPP bado UKRAINE hawezi kuuza nafaka zake nje na bidhaa nyengine ambazo ndio zamuingizia kipato kwa wingi mpaka akubaliwe na MOSCOW
Haya bado mnaendeleza kupigana na hawaja achiv lolote na hawata kaa waachiv lolote lile
Mwisho hua tunasema njia pekee yakutaka RUSSIA ashindwe ni NATO kuingia jumla kumsaidia UKRAINE la sivyo musahau
Sana sana mmefanya vikwazo vya baadhi ya mataifa walovieka mwanzo vivunjwe kwa direct ama in direct
Maana RUSSIA anafanya biashara na IRAN KOREA N ambao awali walikua na vikwazo toka WEST na UN
Hatimae vikwazo vinazidi kua havina madhara mwisho vitaonekana mchezo wakitoto nanimiongoni mwamalengo ya SMO maana italeta Multipolar
SMO inaendelea vyema sanaaa

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KAMA MOVIE
Peski.

Intoxicated with news from Kharkov direction, AFU made an attempt to enter Peski. However, the plan didn’t work out as expected for them.

Somalia gave them a bloody nose. Not everything managed to run back, although some managed to escape on all fours.

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Pesk ndio hio ukrein wameingia na vifaru mara mizinga ikaanza kulia jamaa wamekimbia wameacha vifaru
 
Hivi ni kwa Nini Russia au China akisema kwamba hili swala x y z linahathili national security yake inakuwa sio sawa kusema, sio kweli, wanaongea uongo, wanataka kuleta Vita etc.

Lakini hapo hapo US akisema kwamba wapo concern na swala flani kwa kuwa linahatarisha usalama wao, linakuwa Ni swala la kweli, US anaongea ukweli, lazima asikilizwe, lazima aachwe afanyalo ili kujilinda.

Kwa Nini nasema hivi...?

Chukulia mfano wa juzi hapa, China ameingia mikataba ya Ulinzi na Solomon Islands (US amekuwa concern na inahatarisha usalama wake)

China kutoa mikopo kwa Africa (US amekuwa concern na Africans wanaingia kwenye debt trap)

Iraq alishambuliwa na nchi kuharibia kwa reasons ambazo Ni fake (US alikuwa concern na WMD, ambazo hazikuwepo)

Iran na North Korea kuwa nuclear na weapons (US amekuwa concern na anafanya kila awezalo ili kuhakikisha hawapata hiyo chance ya kuwa na hizo silaha)

Kosovo kujitenga na Serbia, US anaona Ni sawa kabisa, lakini Crimea kujitenga na Ukraine, US amekuwa concern na ameweka vikwazo.

Okay, mifano hipo mingi Sana.

Kwa Nini nimejaribu kukupa hiyo mifano, Ni kwa sababu Kuna double standards sana na Kama kweli wewe hupo reasonable, lazima utaiona tu.

Je, kuna tofauti gani Kati ya Cuba Crisis na hii ishu ya Ukraine? Au ishu ya Taiwan ya US kupeleka vifaa vyake mpakani mwa China

Tujaribu kujadili kwa reasonableness,
 
Yoda

Naomba niendelee

US amukuwa ni kiranja wa dunia kwa muda mrefu Sana (tokea WW2). Asemalo yeye ndio sheria. Ameangusha serikali nyingi Sana, ameua watu wengi na viongozi pia.

Serikali inayotokea na kupinga wanachotaka kufanya, inakuwa Ni adui yao na lazima watapambana nae.

Embu chukulia mfano wa Rais Trump alivyowekea vikwazo makampuni ya China na akatishia kujitoa WTO. Ule ulikuwa uonevu.
 
Umeandika Mambo ya maana Sana....ndiyo tabia ya watanzania tulivyo...
We are not serious as society...ni watu wa mzaha na umbea...Kuna utafiti ulifanyika naambiwa nchi yetu ni ya nne kutoka mwisho kwa kutokuwa na furaha...Yaani hata Afghanistan na Ukraine wametuzidi...hovyo kabisa...wewe fikiria msanii yule aliyeingia uwanja wa Mkapa akiwa ndani ya jeneza..yeye aliona ni sawa and millions of others kiushabiki wakaona Yuko sahihi...Yaani tukio like lilikuwa live mbele ya macho ya dunia nzima...ni kituko, serikali haikusema kitu, TFF kimya ...Sasa kwenye Vita vya Russia na Ukraine tunaingiza ujinga, utoto, upumbavu, ulimbukeni, umbea, ushabiki na kadhalika..hatujadili Mambo ya maana, hatujadili chanzo Cha mgogoro, mods wanaacha matusi yatawale, tunaleta humu milicha fake, mingine ni mipicha ya maiti..hatuna sense of responsibility ..hatupeani elimu...tunalishana sumu ya ujinga na umbea...yaani Kama nchi we are doomed...hatuwdzi kutafakari issues...hatujui impact ya Vita hivi kwa dunia....dah...
 
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