Special Thread: Yanayojiri Mgogoro wa Ukraine na Urusi. Nini chanzo na hatma ya mzozo?

Special Thread: Yanayojiri Mgogoro wa Ukraine na Urusi. Nini chanzo na hatma ya mzozo?

Pietro said:
Kaka Kwa upendo kabisa nakushauri tena achana na hiyo source yako inatulisha matango pori,tafuta nyingine.
Kupiansk IPO chini ya Ukraine na Ukraine wameendelea kusonga mbele sasa wanavuka Oskill river ili waanze mashambulizi kuelekea Lyman

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Unaleta evidence ya tarehe 17 leo tuko 18 kuwa serious bhs
 
Pietro said:
Hajafanya chochote wakati kashatumia mpaka Hypersonic missiles,ni kipi ambacho hajakitumia pale?!

Iraq na huko Yugoslavia yaliwezekana sababu Marekani ilikua na air superiority,Urusi mpk ss ameshindwa kuweka no fly zone Ukraine kila akijaribu kupeleka ndege kwenye airspace ya Ukraine hairudi Moscow,inatunguliwa.
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Kuua raia wasio na hatia? Na kumbuka US alikua na NATO hakua peke yake turudi Ukraine sasa anapewa silaha za kila aina na mataifa yote makubwa duniani. Niambia Iraq, somalia, Libya, Yugoslavia walisaidiwa na nani???
 
Champagnee said:
Sijaona hoja yenye mashiko hapo kwa akili zako unafikiri US atakubali sasa ngoja nikushushie evidences
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Sawa! Bhas wabishie na hawa watengenezaji wa hiyo System. Wanakwambia kabisa mpaka 2015 ndege pekee iliyokua imefungwa huo mfumo ni Su-34,kwenye taarifa yako unadai Su-24 ilifanya shambulizi.
Hii taarifa ni ya 2015 wakati hilo tukio unalosema lilitokea 2014

KRET is offering its foreign partners an export version of Khibiny, the latest Russian-produced multifunctional missile system that protects aircraft against missile attacks from fighter jets and other anti-aircraft weapons.

Fighter jets with Khibiny onboard are invisible to the enemy, as the system creates a radio-electronic protective field around the aircraft, causing guided missiles to lose their target. This system is currently being installed on Su-34 bombers.

"In addition to products supplied as part of Russian combat aircraft and helicopters, our foreign partners have expressed a lot of interest in air- and land-based electronic warfare systems. KRET currently offers its foreign partners the Rychag, Krasukha, President-S, Rtut, and Moskva electronic warfare systems, as well as the modified export version of the Khibiny individual protection system,” said Igor Nasenkov, First Deputy CEO of KRET, as reported by RIA.

KRET already supplies products to more than 30 countries throughout the CIS, Latin America, Africa, and Asia-Pacific.

DefesaNet - Air - KRET is offering an export version of Khibiny

Akili za kuambiwa changanya na zako[emoji124]
 
Pietro said:
Nyongeza:

Wakati hilo tukio linatokea,huo mfumo haukua umewekwa kwenye hiyo ndege Su-24

By the way, nowadays Khibiny is being installed on Su-30, Su-34 and Su-35, so the famous April attack in the Black sea on USS Donald Cook by Su-24 bomber jet allegedly using Khibiny complex is nothing but a newspaper hoax. The destroyer’s buzzing did take place. This EW system can completely neutralise the enemy radar, but Khibiny are not installed on Su-24.”

A separate KRET article, published in January 2016 and still extant (archive here), confirms this, referring to the alleged “blinding” of the Cook as “overgrown with numerous fantastical details” and an example of a “totally ridiculous story” about electronic warfare.

In short, the Vesti TV report of 2017, with its pomp and bombastic nationalism, based its most spectacular claim entirely on a misrepresentation of a Russian-language parody — despite the fact that the Khibiny manufacturer itself had already debunked the story. This is either a disastrous failure of due diligence, or deliberate deception.

Spreading the fake
If the intent was propaganda, it was effective. The Vesti report was picked up by the mainstream Western media, starting with two British tabloids, The Sun and The Daily Star. On April 19, both ran the sensational headline that Russia had an “electronic bomb” capable of knocking out the US Navy:


Source: The Daily Star, April 19, 2017.
Within hours, the story was reported by British tabloid the Daily Express, and by Fox News.


Source: Daily Express, April 19, 2017, 2.24 am. Note the embedded Vesti video.
The story then started to trend on social media and “alternative media” in both the US and the UK.


Diagram showing the spread of the Rossiya-1 / Vesti fake .
According to a BuzzSumo analysis, the Fox News version was shared over 27,000 times, mostly on Facebook; the original piece in the Sun was shared over 10,000 times, also mostly on Facebook.


Source: BuzzSumo analysis (partial snapshot)
Propagating the propaganda
However, not all viewed the Vesti report from the same perspective. The Sun, in particular, treated it with skepticism, headlining that the story was a “bizarre propaganda report” and pointing out in the text that the Russian media are “essentially controlled by the state.” It also reported that the US military denied that Gorenc had made the comment attributed to him.


Source: The Sun, April 19, 2017, 12.12 am.
Fox News, which picked up the Sun story, shortened its headline by omitting the reference to “propaganda,” most probably to save length, but included the comment on the Russian media being essentially state controlled.


Source: Fox News.
The Daily Express was less wary, stating that the Russian electronic warfare systems “can destroy the American equipment installed on missiles, aircraft and ships,” although it showed a degree of caution by headlining that this was what Russia “claims.” It also quoted Gorenc, without mentioning the US rejection of the quote.

The “alternative” news sites, which are often marked by a much less critical approach to disinformation, largely amplified these posts without changing the overall tone. Before It’s News, for example, reproduced the full Sun article, including the “propaganda” headline, and added its own gloss, “propaganda or a technological reality?” War News Updates reproduced the Fox version, while ReportUK.org reproduced both the Daily Star and the Daily Express versions on consecutive days.

Even Investment Watch Blog (IWB), a known amplifier of fake news which has been termed “among the most untrustworthy sources in the media,” quoted the Fox News article with questions of its own:

Lets look at incident 1. Russia has claimed it can disable the entire US Navy in one fell swoop using powerful electronic signal jamming. A news report from the country claims the technology could render planes, ships, and missiles useless. Wow, if this is true, and I have no idea…what chance would we have against them if we went to war? I know there are some experts on IWB, who would actually know this.

Right now, I am questioning this news coming out of Russia. The report says, “Today, our Russian Electronic Warfare (REW) troops can detect and neutralize any target from a ship’s system and a radar, to a satellite.” The report claims a Russian war plane flew several times around American destroyer the USS Donald Cook in the Black Sea several years ago, disabling it systems and leaving it helpless. If this is true, whoa….bad news.

While showing doubt, the IWB article did not dismiss the Vesti piece outright:

This statement I do not understand: The report says, “You don’t need to have expensive weapons to win — powerful radio-electronic jamming is enough.” Are you telling me, this equipment and ability is not expensive? Does the US have it, too? If not, why not?

Overall, therefore, the Vesti report was met with a varying degree of skepticism, but achieved significant overall reach, being shared tens of thousands of times, and cross-posted on dozens of websites.

Second time lucky
This was not the first time the story had been pushed by the Kremlin media.

The first iteration of the fake emerged on April 21, 2014, when the German service of Kremlin outlet Sputnik claimed that a Russian SU-24 had “crippled” an American destroyer in the Black Sea (archive). The story ran the same day in English on Russian Radio’s India service; the original link is now inactive, but the story has been preserved by blog jhaines6, conspiracy blog Northerntruthseeker (which presented it as factual) and archive web.archive.org.


Source: Sputnik Deutsch. Image US Navy / Pendergrass. “Russian SU-24 cripples American destroyer.” Archived on May 2, 2017.
According to the English version of the article:

“Everything went normally, American radars calculated the speed of the approaching target. And suddenly all the screens went blank. ‘Aegis’ was not working any more, and the rockets could not get target information.”

It continued,

“After the incident, the foreign media reported that “Donald Cook” was rushed into a port in Romania. There all the 27 members of the crew filed a letter of resignation. It seems that all 27 people have written that they are not going to risk their lives. This is indirectly confirmed by the Pentagon statement according to which the action demoralized the crew of the American ship.”

The German version was an almost verbatim translation. The chief sources given were “Russian media and bloggers,” for the claim of the system being knocked out, and “the foreign media” for the Romanian visit.

The description of the course of events is strikingly similar to that of the “Johnny-Mary” letter: first the radar screens died, then the Aegis shut down and the air-defense missiles stopped working. Since the Sputnik reports do not name the sources for this part of the story, it is hard to tell whether the fake letter was their inspiration; the attribution to “Russian media and bloggers” certainly indicates that it is not based on credible sources, such as the US or Russian militaries.

The claim of mass resignations is easier to track, because the number is so specific. It can be traced to an article published in mid-April 2014 by online media outlet novorus.info, which calls itself the “central information agency” of Novorossiya, a term used by Russian-led separatists in eastern Ukraine.

The article was datelined April 18, but a Google search shows that it was referenced by Russian aggregator pikabu.ru as early as April 14, and debunked by Russian user “Maksym” late on April 15 (early on April 16, Moscow time).


Google search for the period April 12–14 for the term “дональд кук 27”, showing the pikabu.ru result on April 14.
The article claimed that 27 members of the Cook’s crew had resigned as a result of the flypast, quoting them as saying that they “do not intend to put their lives in danger.” Citing a Reuters report which quoted Warren’s Pentagon statement, it claimed that the Cook had been “urgently evacuated” to Romania because the flypast had “demoralized” the crew, who were undergoing “psychological treatment.”


Source: novorus.info. The headline reads, “The Pentagon acknowledged that the imitation Su-24 attack on the US Navy destroyer had a demoralizing effect on the crew.” The video it claims to show is inactive.
In fact, as pointed out by fact-checking service StopFake, the Reuters report on Warren’s comment made no reference to an urgent evacuation, nor to demoralization, nor to psychological treatment. Far from being an emergency, the Cook’s visit to Constanta had been planned long enough in advance to arrange a presidential visit and a series of exercises.

The combination of false information and the misquoting of a named source makes it highly likely that this is another deliberate fake, presented as news, and designed to glorify Russia and denigrate the US Navy.

Nonetheless, on April 30, 2014, Russian state newspaper Rossiiskaya Gazeta ran a long and gloating article claiming that the Su-24 had targeted the Cook with the Khibiny system, knocking the entire Aegis system out of action, and that the ship had “hurried to a Romanian port to restore its nerves.” It also quoted a “range of media” as giving the “information” that 27 crew members had resigned.


Source: Rossiiskaya Gazeta. “What scared the American destroyer.”
“The Americans have got used to wiping out the badly-armed ranks of desert partisans with missiles while they sit in complete safety. And if it’s not like that, they don’t play,” it sneered, before reciting a long list of Russian electronic warfare assets.

The article wrongly attributed the claim that “the crew was demoralized” to the Pentagon briefing. The claim of 27 resignations was attributed to a “range of media,” without naming them or providing evidence. Again, the likelihood is that this article in Rossiiskaya Gazeta — the Russian Federation’s official newspaper of record — was another deliberate fake.

On this occasion, the fake had less reach. It was not until September 2014 that it began to spread significantly abroad. On September 13, anti-American site voltairenet.org translated the essence of the Rossiiskaya Gazeta article into Spanish, leading with the comment that “The great media of the Atlanticist press have not mentioned this incident, but the whole world’s military observers and experts haven’t stopped commenting.”


Source: Voltairenet.org. “What scared the USS Donald Cook in the Black Sea so much?”
Translations into French, Portuguese, Arabic, German, Italian and Polish followed over the next ten days, with an English version in November:

“Since that incident, which the Atlanticist media have carefully covered up despite the widespread reactions sparked among defense industry experts, no US ship has ever approached Russian territorial waters again.”

The Voltaire Network story was picked up by a number of alternative and fake news sites in the United States. These included InfoWars (which claimed that the story had been “skipped over by the Pentagon-friendly corporate media”), Before Its News, Futurist Trendcast, Veterans Today, Gary North: The Tea Party Economist, LewRockwell.com, The Smirking Chimp, The Tap Blog, Above Top Secret and others.


Diagram showing the spread of the Voltaire Network fake .
However, on this occasion, it did not reach mainstream outlets, even tabloid ones. By December 2014 it had lost traction, and lay forgotten until Vesti revived it.

Conclusion
The fake “electronic bomb” story highlights important factors about the media both in Russia and in the West.

In the first place, it highlights once again the role of the Kremlin’s official media as tools of state propaganda. Every indication is that the national newspaper of record, and a national broadcaster, deliberately reported a total fabrication in order to glorify Russia (and its electronic warfare specialists) and mock the United States. Moreover, they did so repeatedly, long after the story had been debunked. Kremlin propaganda is a full-spectrum operation, and the state media are an integral part of it.

Secondly, it underlines the Kremlin’s need for domestic propaganda to shore up its support at home. Both in 2014 and in 2017, the initial circulation of the fake was in Russian; its international spread was secondary. This was a false story targeting Russian readers, with the apparent intention of reinforcing popular morale.

Thirdly, it suggests that the Kremlin may not be as confident in its high-tech military as it frequently boasts. The story of the blinding of the Cook was a fabrication, repeated even after it had been exposed by the manufacturer itself. Vesti’s decision to highlight it three years later certainly betrays carelessness on the part of the Kremlin propaganda machine; it may also hint at a lack of genuine stories to tell.

Finally, it underlines the importance of major Western outlets, especially tabloids, in the spread of fake news. The difference between the 2014 and 2017 fakes was that the Sun and the Daily Star picked up the latter version, and made it go viral. The Sun, in particular, treated it with appropriate caution, but nevertheless, the tabloid reporting was the main driver of the recycled fake’s penetration in the West.

Ben Nimmo is Senior Fellow for Information Defense at the Atlantic Council’s Digital Forensic Research Lab (@DFRLab). Nika Aleksejeva and Donara Barojan are Digital Forensic Research Associates at the DFRLab.
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USS donald cook ilizimwa na khibiny naona unajitahid kucopy na kupaste kutetea hoja yako lakin tambua huo ndo ukweli US hawezi kukubali tukio la aibu kama hilo ngoja nitulie nikupe evidences zangu sio zako hizo za kuokoteza[emoji23]
 
Champagnee said:
Kuua raia wasio na hatia? Na kumbuka US alikua na NATO hakua peke yake turudi Ukraine sasa anapewa silaha za kila aina na mataifa yote makubwa duniani. Niambia Iraq, somalia, Libya, Yugoslavia walisaidiwa na nani???
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Kwani Urusi hapo Ukraine yupo Peke yake?! Hapo ana Chenchen, wapiganaji toka Syria,kasaidiwa silaha na Iran, North Korea,nk
 
Champagnee said:
USS donald cook ilizimwa na khibiny naona unajitahid kucopy na kupaste kutetea hoja yako lakin tambua huo ndo ukweli US hawezi kukubali tukio la aibu kama hilo ngoja nitulie nikupe evidences zangu sio zako hizo za kuokoteza[emoji23]
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Hahaha Mimi nishamalizana na ww kwenye hii topic,nimekuachia ubishane na watengenezaji wa Khibiny wanaosema mpk 2015 ilikua imefungwa kwenye Su-34 halafu wewe mbongo unayelimwa tozo unabisha kwamba ilikua imefungwa kwenye Su-24

KRET is offering its foreign partners an export version of Khibiny, the latest Russian-produced multifunctional missile system that protects aircraft against missile attacks from fighter jets and other anti-aircraft weapons.

Fighter jets with Khibiny onboard are invisible to the enemy, as the system creates a radio-electronic protective field around the aircraft, causing guided missiles to lose their target. This system is currently being installed on Su-34 bombers.

DefesaNet - Air - KRET is offering an export version of Khibiny

KAZI KWAKO!!!!!
 
wangatala said:
Swali zuri,,,,mie nsaidie jibu boss.

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Hilo bomba lazima lipitie Syria then Turkey hapo itakua rahis kwenda nchi nyingine za EU sasa hapo Syria inakua ngumu sababu ya Russia yuko pale. Hata ule mgogoro wa West na Assad ni kuhusu kupitisha hiyo pipe aliwagomea ndo wakataka kumtoa madarakani. Russia akaingi kumkingia kifua Assad mpaka leo yuko madarakani.

Option ilobak ni kulipitisha mediterannean sea ambapo ni ngumu. Syria ndo kila kitu pale kama Syria angekua ni kibaraka wao basi gas wangekua wanachukulia Qatar muda sana. Mpaka wanajenga Nord stream2 ni kutokana na kukosa option.
 
Hali inazidi kuwa mbaya kwa Ukraine.
Inabidi waokoteze wanajeshi wao mbalimbali wanaofanya peacekeeping ili waende Frontline wakachinjwe...

The 250 Ukrainian troops with the UN peacekeeping mission in the Democratic Republic of Congo have returned home to help fight Russian forces.

Source: BBC News.
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Pietro said:
Kwani Urusi hapo Ukraine yupo Peke yake?! Hapo ana Chenchen, wapiganaji toka Syria,kasaidiwa silaha na Iran, North Korea,nk
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Naomba evidence zinaonesha Russia kaomba silaha kwenye hizo nchi ulizotaja leo babu yenu amesema hawana evidence kama China anatoa silaha kwa Russia umefika stage unajua kuliko biden[emoji23][emoji23][emoji706][emoji706]. Then hao chenchen si Russian federation’s leo ndo naskia kutoka kwako kuna wapiganaji kutoka Syria achana na Propaganda kijana. Hakuna West media ambayo inaisemea mazuri Russia hakuna hizo medias zote zipo under democratic ni full propaganda

“Western media wants you to believe in a lot of lies. Don't be a fool. Do some research before believing anything you read.
 
Galip Vrl said:
Imagine inakamata nafasi ya 14 kwa GDP despite kuandamwa kote huko miaka kenda rudi na vikwazo juu ya vikwazo. Lau kungekua na fair competition kwenye international sphere angekuwa wapi leo?

We need a multipolar world, tumechoshwa na hii hegemony ya Global north 🤔
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Haikamati nafasi ya 14. Nimeshaeleza juu, nafasi hii iko ukitumia exchange rate bandia ya serikali ya Iran. Menginevyo wako 55 (si vibaya, afadhali kuliko Bongo!)
 
Wasikilizeni [emoji2380]

[emoji736]US military support for the Ukraine will cross red line for the Russian who have the capability to destroy our satellites providing military intelligence for the Ukraine the escalation of this war.
[emoji3502]US is facing a peril unequaled since Cuban Missile crisis[emoji779]
[emoji845]New York time
 
Nkuba25 said:
Hali inazidi kuwa mbaya kwa Ukraine.
Inabidi waokoteze wanajeshi wao mbalimbali wanaofanya peacekeeping ili waende Frontline wakachinjwe...

The 250 Ukrainian troops with the UN peacekeeping mission in the Democratic Republic of Congo have returned home to help fight Russian forces.

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hii habari ya mda mrefu labda kama wameenda wengine
 
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