Special Thread: Yanayojiri Mgogoro wa Ukraine na Urusi. Nini chanzo na hatma ya mzozo?

⚡️Russian Defence Ministry report on the progress of the special military operation in Ukraine
(3 December 2022)

The Russian Federation Armed Forces continue the special military operation.

◽In Kupyansk direction, the enemy's attempt to attack Kuzemovka (Lugansk People's Republic) was foiled by pre-emptive strikes by army aircraft, artillery fire and heavy firing systems. Up to 60 Ukrainian soldiers, two tanks, an infantry fighting vehicle, three armoured personnel carriers, and four pickup trucks were destroyed.

◽In Krasny Liman direction, an attempt by the Ukrainian Armed Forces to attack in the direction of Kolomychikha and Zhytlovka (Lugansk People's Republic) has been thwarted. As a result of army aviation and artillery fire, enemy units were halted and dispersed. More than 30 Ukrainian personnel, two infantry fighting vehicles, and three Kozak armoured vehicles were destroyed.

◽In Donetsk direction, the AFU made unsuccessful attempts to restore the position of their troops in the areas of Andreevka, Kurdyumovka, Avdeevka, and Marynka (Donetsk People's Republic). Up to 60 Ukrainian personnel, two tanks, and five armoured fighting vehicles were destroyed in 24 hours as a result of the shelling.

◽In South Donetsk direction, the enemy attempted to counterattack in the areas of Sladkoye, Shevchenko, and Novomayorske (Donetsk People's Republic). The AFU units were halted by air strikes and artillery fire and pushed back to their initial positions. The enemy's losses in this direction amounted to up to 40 Ukrainian personnel killed and wounded. Two infantry fighting vehicles and five pickup trucks were destroyed.

💥Operational-Tactical and Army Aviation, Missile Troops and Artillery struck three enemy command posts in the areas of Kupyansk (Kharkov region), Svyatogorsk and Konstantinovka (Donetsk People's Republic). Moreover, 74 artillery units in firing positions, manpower, and military equipment in 195 areas were engaged.

💥Two temporary locations of foreign mercenaries were hit close to Kramatorsk (Donetsk People's Republic). A US-made AN/TPQ-37 counterbattery radar station was destroyed near Kaleniki (Donetsk People's Republic). Two storage sites for missile and artillery weapons and ammunition for the AFU have been destroyed near Tabayevka (Kharkov region) and Primorskoye (Zaporizhye region).

✈️ Fighter aviation of Russian Aerospace Forces has shot down 1 Mi-8 airplane of Ukrainian Air Force near Selidovo (Donetsk People's Republic).

💥Ten Ukrainian unmanned aerial vehicles were shot down by air defence forces in the areas of Golikovo (Lugansk People's Republic), Peski, Kirillovka, Nikolskoye, Novotroitskoye, Yegorovka, and Olginka (Donetsk People's Republic). In addition, eight HIMARS and Olkha MLRS rounds were intercepted close to Popasnaya and Lisichansk (Lugansk People's Republic), Novopetrikovka, Volnovakha, and Kuybyshevo (Donetsk People's Republic).

📊In total, 336 airplanes and 178 helicopters, 2,609 unmanned aerial vehicles, 391 air defence missile systems, 6,970 tanks and other armoured combat vehicles, 908 combat vehicles equipped with MLRS, 3,652 field artillery cannons and mortars, as well as 7,450 units of special military equipment have been destroyed during the special military operation.


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mohamedidrisa789 said:
Ndege ya india na Urusi ipo picha tu ya design ila su 57 ishatengenezwa na inatumika
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Concept ya ndege ya India ilikua itoke kwa Su-57 ambapo wahindi walikua wanataka mabadiliko kidogo mfano wao walitaka ndege iwe two seater (Pilot & Co-pilot) na baadhi ya sensor ziwekwe za kwao. Lakini baada ya Urusi kutengeneza prototype ya Su-57 na kuwapelekea India wajiridhishe ili watoe fedha kuendelea na project ya pamoja ya Sukhoi/HAL FGTA wahindi walikataa wakasema uwezo hiyo ndege haijawaridhisha,wakaamua kujitoa kabisa Kwenye hiyo project na sasa Wana project Yao wenyewe ya kutengeneza fifth Generation fighter jet inaitwa HAL/AMCA.

Na hicho walichofanya wahindi sio kipya ndio walichofanya kwa Marekani, kabla ya kununua predator drone walitaka wajiridhishe kwanza uwezo wa hiyo drone. General Atomics ikawakodisha India Predator drone waitumie waone uwezo wake,India imeridhishwa na uwezo wa Drone inataka kununua drone 30 kwa $3 BN,bado wananegotiate Bei maana wahindi wanasema Bei kubwa wapunguziwe pia technology transfer. Wakishindwana wahindi wamesema watanunua kwa Israel.

India's $3 billion Predator drone deal with US at advanced stages, certain issues being sorted out: Report
TIMESOFINDIA.COM | Updated: Aug 21, 2022, 20:05

Sources told PTI that talks between India and US are under way for the government-to-government procurement of the drones manufactured by US defence major General Atomics. They rejected reports that the deal is off the table.
India's $3 billion Predator drone deal with US at advanced stages, certain issues being sorted out: Report | India News - Times of India
 

Mwanzoni mwa Vita ilikua Dola Mia na kuendelea. Wahindi na wachina walikua wakipata discount ya Dola 20-30 Kwa pipa.

Kwa sasa mafuta yameshuka ni $60-$70 Kwa pipa na yanatarajia kushuka zaidi iwapo China itaendelea na lockdown kutokana na Sera yake ya Zero covid
 
Umesoma sababu lakini?!

Halafu inayoenda kuchimba mafuta huko Venezuela ni kampuni ya Marekani inaitwa Chevron.

Inaenda kuchimba baada ya makubaliano Kati ya Maduro na Upinzani ambayo Marekani imeyabariki.
 
India alijitoa kwenye project ya Su57 au India version ya Su57!? Project ni mbili tofauti zilizokuwa parallel.

The Sukhoi/HAL Fifth Generation Fighter Aircraft (FGFA) was a fifth-generation fighter concept, based on the Russian Sukhoi Su-57, that was being developed jointly by Sukhoi and HAL for the Indian Air Force.

Yaani India walitoa fedha kwa urusi watengenezewe version yao ya Su57. Na ukiacha Hiyo FGFA kuna Su57E ambayo ni export version na Su57M hizo zote ni variants za Su57. Sisi hapa tunaongelea Su57 ya Urusi na sio hiyo Indian version ambayo wahindi waliikataa tena mainly kwa sababu za kisiasa.

Project nzima ilikuwa ni 6bn usd India walitoa 300m upfront tu alaf wakataka wapewe research nzima plus ndege itengenezewe india. Warusi wakasema technology/research + plane prototype + production kufanyika india itawacost 5bn usd not less wahindi wakasema hiyo pesa wanaweza kutengeneza 5th gen yao wenyewe independently from scratch Sukhoi wakawaambia go ahead then.

F35 vs Su57 (russian)
Kila mtu lazima avutie kwake. Hakuna namna unaweza kurule out moja kw moja whichone is the best. Ila mm nachoona kila moja na madhaifu yake. F35 wamezingatia sana kwenye stealth na electronics. Kufanya mambo yake bila kuonekana wakati Su zaidi ni speed, range, payload na maneuverability. Bila kusahau cost ya F35 ni mara 4 au zaidi ya Su57.
 

Wahindi kwenye masuala ya Ulinzi hawanaga siasa blue ni blue na black ni black.

"was a fifth-generation fighter concept,based on the Russian Sukhoi Su-57".

Wahindi walipelekewa prototype ya Su-57 (T-50) ambapo kutokana na hiyo Su-57 ndipo ingezaliwa ndege Yao hapo. Wahindi waliikataa walisema ni poor designed,inatumia engine za zamani pia ni Bei ghali wakajitoa. Baada ya India kujitoa hatujaona hata mass production ya Su-57 ikifanyika tena wameishia kutengeneza sijui kumi Tu.


Hapo Mwisho nakubaliana na wewe 99%. Ila kwenye cost,cost ya F-35 inashuka kila Leo baada ya kuongezeka kwa uzalishaji ambao unatokana na kuongezeka kwa wateja. Cost ya F-35 Kwa sasa ni $78 million - $80 million (kutoka $100 million-$200 million) ambayo ni chini hata kupita baadhi ya 4th generation fighter kama Rafale ($100 -$120 million), Eurofigher ($120 million), Su-35 ($80-$100 million)
Cost ya Su-57 kuna source zinasema ni zaidi ya $100 baadhi zinasema ni $50 million,naweza kuamini $100 million sababu Su-35 Bei yake ni around $85 million and there's no way Bei ya 4th generation izidi Ile ya fifth gen tena ndege ikiwa haina mass production line ya maana.
 
Hizi ndo air defense bora kabisa ambazo @bukyanangadi hua anatuambia ni impregnable [emoji23][emoji23][emoji23][emoji23]

#Ukraine: A Russian 9A39M1-2/9A316 transporter erector launcher of the Buk-M1-2/Buk-M2 air defense system was destroyed by the Ukrainian army in #Kherson Oblast.

 
Mvamizi lazima aadhibiwe vikali

[emoji298]️An important supply route for Russians was damaged on the railway section in the area of Luhansk TPP (Shchastia), the head of Luhansk RMA, Serhii Haidai, said.
 
Kumekuchaaa

[emoji298]️Next Wednesday, December 7, American senators will hold a secret briefing on aid to Ukraine, – CNN reports with reference to its sources in the Senate.

Biden’s administration insists on allocating $37 billion in aid to Ukraine. may be included in the overall supplemental funding bill, which must be approved by December 16.

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Bro check your facts. Kuna mahali hapo naona unadai India wanataka kununu drone 30 kwa bn 30 usd. Dah

"...(India) inataka kununua drone 30 kwa $30 BN,bado wananegotiate Bei maana wahindi wanasema Bei kubwa wapunguziwe pia technology transfer. Wakishindwana wahindi wamesema watanunua kwa Israel."

Ina maana drone moja kwa bn 1 dollar. Hii imekaaje!?

Pak FA T50/Su57 prototype iliruka mara ya kwanza 2010. Su57 imekuwa introduced kwenye jeshi la urusi 2020. Mkataba baina ya india na Urusi yaani Sukhoi/HAL FGFA uliingiwa mwaka 2007. Numbers dont add up bro. Alaf India walijitoa kwenye huo mchakato 2018 kbl hata prototype ya kwanza ya FGFA haijatengenezwa. Sisi tunayoizungumzia na kuishindanisha na F35 ni Su57 iliyokabidhiwa kwenye jeshi la urusi dec 2020 na sio TU50/Su57 'prototype' iliyokataliwa na wahindi. (Kuna ndege yenyewe imeanza kutumika 2020 na kuna prototype imeruka mara ya kwanza 2010)

Pia, Kilichowaondoa India sio uwezo wa ndege bali ni kunyimwa source code/teknolojia ingeyotumika kuitengeneza na pia kutofautiana kwa orders, India walikuwa wanataka ndege nyingi zaidi ya Urusi ingezoweza kudeliver.

"A senior Indian Air Force (IAF) official recently revealed that since the work-sharing agreement currently under negotiation includes the transfer of sensitive Russian defense technology, Moscow is demanding $7 billion from India as part of its share in the development of the fighter jet."

Kujiondoa kwa India sio sababu ya kutokuwepo SU57 za kutosha kwenye jeshi la urusi.
 
Typing error...ni $3 billion.
 
Sasa kama India ilijitoa kabla ya prototype ya mwanzo haijatengenezwa zile feedback za wahindi kwamba Su-57 ni poor designed zilitoka wapi?!

Ndio maana nikakwambia wahindi walikataa kuendelea na hiyo project baada ya kuona T-50 ambayo ni prototype ya Su-57. Walidai haijawaridhisha.
 
Usichanganye mambo. Kuna prototype ya Su57 na kuna prototype ya FGFA (ambayo haikutoka). Simple meaning ni kwamba Pototype ya FGFA ilitakiwa itoke kwenye prototype ya Su57. Sasa walipopewa prototype ya Su57 ambayo ilitoka 2010 walidai iko poorly designed na wakakubaliana ifanyiwe marekebisho zaidi ya 40. Hizo improvements zingefanyika ndio sasa ingetengenezwa prototype ya FGFA na kutoka kwenye hiyo prototype ndio zingetenezwa FGFAs. Mkataba ukafa kbl hawajafikia huko.

Upande wa warusi wao waliendelea na production ya Su57 yao kutoka kwenye ile prototype ya Su57 au Tu50. Ndio maana nikakwambia zilikuwa ni project mbili (parallel). Baada ya maboresho na marekebisho ya kutosha kwenye hiyo prototype (Su57/tu50) Mwaka 2020 wakakabidhi Su57 ya kwanza kwa jeshi la Urusi.

Labda nikupe summary.

2002 - Sukhoi wanapata tenda ya kutengeneza 5th gen ya urusi wakiwapiku mig. Wakaanza kazi ya kutengeneza Su57 (1st project)

2007 - mwaka 2007 Urusi wanaingia mkataba na India ili waitengenezee india 5th gen fighter. Kazi hii ilitakiwa ifanyike kwa ushirikiano wa Sukhoi na HAL, ndege ilokuwa waitengeneze ilikuwa kwa jina Sukhoi Hal - FGFA au simply FGFA (2nd project).

2010 - Sukhoi kutoka kwenye 1st project wanafanikiwa kuirusha T50 au kwa jina lingine Su57 kwa mara ya kwanza na hii ilikuwa ni prototype. Hii ndege wakapewa waindi nao waitest ndio wakacomplain inamapungufu mengi. Wakakubaliana wafanye marekebisho zaidi ya 40 ndio itengenezwe FGFA.


2018 - mkataba wa urusi na india ukafa (2nd project) na FGFA haikufanikiwa hata kutengenezwa prototype. Kumbuka FGFA ya kwanza ingetokana na marekebisho zaidi ya 40 kwenye prototype ya Su57/Tu50 ambayo ni prototype ya project ya kwanza.

2020 - Sukhoi wanakabidhi Su57 za kwanza kwenye jeshi la urusi na kuahidiwa kufikia 2028 watapewa ndege nyingine 70. Hii ni project ya kwanza sasa imekamilika baada ya kufanyia maboresho na marekebisho kwenye prototype yake. Hii ndio tunaishindanisha na f35
 
Sasa ulikua unanibishia nini maana ulichoelezea ndicho nilisema awali.

"Kuna prototype ya Su57 na kuna prototype ya FGFA (ambayo haikutoka). Simple meaning ni kwamba Pototype ya FGFA ilitakiwa itoke kwenye prototype ya Su57. Sasa walipopewa prototype ya Su57 ambayo ilitoka 2010 walidai iko poorly designed na wakakubaliana ifanyiwe marekebisho zaidi ya 40. Hizo improvements zingefanyika ndio sasa ingetengenezwa prototype ya FGFA na kutoka kwenye hiyo prototype ndio zingetenezwa FGFAs. Mkataba ukafa kbl hawajafikia huko".

"2010 - Sukhoi kutoka kwenye 1st project wanafanikiwa kuirusha T50 au kwa jina lingine Su57 kwa mara ya kwanza na hii ilikuwa ni prototype. Hii ndege wakapewa waindi nao waitest ndio wakacomplain inamapungufu mengi. Wakakubaliana wafanye marekebisho zaidi ya 40 ndio itengenezwe FGFA".
 
Hapana

Wewe umesema waindi walijitoa kwenye mkataba wa su57 kwa sababu walidai zina mapungufu mengi.

1. Waindi hawakujitoa kwa sababu ya mapungufu ya Su57. Maana walikubaliana mapungufu yafanyiwe marekebisho. Zipo sababu nyingine ndio ziliwafanya wajitoe. Prototype imetoka 2010 wao wamejitoa 2018.

2. Mapungufu waliyoyasema waindi hayakuwa mapungufu ya su57 bali mapungufu kwenye prototype ya su57. Ni vitu viwili tofauti. Na actually huwezi kusema ni mapungufu wao walitaka mambo namna yao.

Hoja yetu ilikuwa su57 iliyokabidhiwa 2020 na sio prtotype ya Su57 vs f35
 
Hapana

Wewe umesema waindi walijitoa kwenye mkataba wa su57 kwa sababu walidai zina mapungufu mengi.

1. Waindi hawakujitoa kwa sababu ya mapungufu ya Su57. Maana walikubaliana mapungufu yafanyiwe marekebisho. Zipo sababu nyingine ndio ziliwafanya wajitoe. Prototype imetoka 2010 wao wamejitoa 2018.

2. Mapungufu waliyoyasema waindi hayakuwa mapungufu ya su57 bali mapungufu kwenye prototype ya su57. Ni vitu viwili tofauti. Na actually huwezi kusema ni mapungufu wao walitaka mambo namna yao.

Hoja yetu ilikuwa su57 iliyokabidhiwa 2020 na sio prtotype ya Su57 vs f35
 
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