The most powerful arguments for the Existence of God!!
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Tractus
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May 7, 2016
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I have been reading the arguments of people who deny the Existence of God and I recognize their counter-arguments do not hold water, in fact, they are mostly confusing and illogical . Now, the following are the arguments, but I don't claim to be mine cuz they are arguments offered by prominent philosophers in the history of human knowledge. All in All, I wanna defend these arguments against any criticism offered.
Ontological argument,
“There is, therefore, or there can be conceived, a subject of all perfections, or most perfect Being. Whence it follows also that He exists, for existence is among the number of his perfections.”
Second, Internal Truth argument which states that
The gist of the argument is that truths are part of the contents of minds, and that an eternal truth must be part of an eternal mind… There must be a reason for the whole contingent world, and this reason cannot itself be contingent, but must be sought among eternal truths.”
This leads to claim,
“But a reason for what exists must itself exist; therefore eternal truths must in some sense, exist, and they can only exist as thoughts in the mind of God.”
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May 8, 2016
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Debunking Ontological argument
Ontological argument runs as follows
1.God is the most greatest possible being that can be conceived
2.Being that exists in reality is greater than being which exists merely as a concept
3.If God exists only as a concept,then it possible to conceive a being greater than God
4.But it's illogical to conceive a being greater than God,because God by definition is above all greater beings that can exist in nature
5.Therefore God must exists also in reality
This argument is somewhat problematic because it's possible to devise an argument which has tantamount logical form as ontological argument to prove anything which cannot indeed exists
Consider this,elementary particles are exceedingly infinitesimal particles which apparently do not have any deeper structure
If ontological argument is valid,then the most smallest elementary particle that can be conceived must have 0 volume
But owing to quantum perturbations,all elementary particles that can exist do not have 0 volume
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Tractus said:
There is must be reason for whole contingent world
But reason for what exists must itself be exist
This chain of reasoning whose validity you seem to support cannot withstand even facile logical analysis
Argument from contingency which acts as a base of your Eternal truth argument attests that
"If there is reason for existence of contingent cosmos then that reason must come from God
Therefore God exists"
But if everything that exists must have a reason for its existence then what is reason for God's existence?
If there is reason for God existence then that reason must come from something else other than God possibly a being greater than God
But if there is no reason for God's existence then why does the contingent universe need reason for its existence?
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einstein newton said:
Debunking Ontological argument
Ontological argument runs as follows
1.God is the most greatest possible being that can be conceived
2.Being that exists in reality is greater than being which exists merely as a concept
3.If God exists only as a concept,then it possible to conceive a being greater than God
4.But it's illogical to conceive a being greater than God,because God by definition is above all greater beings that can exist in nature
5.Therefore God must exists also in reality
This argument is somewhat problematic because it's possible to devise an argument which has tantamount logical form as ontological argument to prove anything which cannot indeed exists
Consider this,elementary particles are exceedingly infinitesimal particles which apparently do not have any deeper structure
If ontological argument is valid,then the most smallest elementary particle that can be conceived must have 0 volume
But owing to quantum perturbations,all elementary particles that can exist do not have 0 volume
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einstein newton said:
Debunking Ontological argument
Ontological argument runs as follows
1.God is the most greatest possible being that can be conceived
2.Being that exists in reality is greater than being which exists merely as a concept
3.If God exists only as a concept,then it possible to conceive a being greater than God
4.But it's illogical to conceive a being greater than God,because God by definition is above all greater beings that can exist in nature
5.Therefore God must exists also in reality
This argument is somewhat problematic because it's possible to devise an argument which has tantamount logical form as ontological argument to prove anything which cannot indeed exists
Consider this,elementary particles are exceedingly infinitesimal particles which apparently do not have any deeper structure
If ontological argument is valid,then the most smallest elementary particle that can be conceived must have 0 volume
But owing to quantum perturbations,all elementary particles that can exist do not have 0 volume
Click to expand...
The ontological argument is based on the claim that God is necessary Being. You seem to deny a different form of ontological argument which is derived from the idea of Aristotle of the uncaused cause!! the argument I develop is quite different from such idea.
Basically the argument, I advocate, asserts that every contingent have sufficient reason for its existence. By contingent Being, I mean it is possible for that being to exist or not, but if contingent being exists must have a reason for its existence and its reason must come outside itself. For example, if Peter exists, then it must because of his parent. If this true then, it possible to think of totality of contingent Beings like the universe which its reason cannot come from itself rather it should come from outside. Thus why the reason of the existence of the totality of contingent must be a necessary Being who is God. That is why I say the whole argument rest on the principle of sufficient reason and not the traditional ontological argument of St. Anslem.
Now, Let us scrutinize the objection you raised against the ontological argument. you said
"If ontological argument is valid,then the most smallest elementary particle that can be conceived must have 0 volume
But owing to quantum perturbations,all elementary particles that can exist do not have 0 volume"
The ontological argument is valid and strong one, the objection raised cannot suffice because smallest elementary particle is not a necessary Being rather a contingent one, its sufficient reason to exist must be outside itself. In fact, it is possible for such Being to exist or not but since it does, the reason for its existence must be from outside itself. Therefore, your argument is irrational and invalid as far as ontological argument based on the principle of sufficient reason is concerned.b