Tanzania has approx 2 Million more people living in slums, than Kenya

mamkuu5 · Apr 17, 2017

gwa myetu said:
Bora ungekaa kimya tu mtz, jibu haliendani kabisa

Ila Kenyans mjifunze kufikiri vizuri mmekua kama kaspoiled kid,hamjui unataka nini ,kiburi majivuno ,wivu,kujilinganisha na kelele,hivi mnajua kwakutafuta kujilinganisha na Tanzania mnazidi kuonekana mnatamani kuwa Tz?Hii ni kwasababu hamuwezi kuwa,hamna mnaloweza mbali na utapeli na wizi,uongo na mbwembwe,usaniii jamani huko ndo msiseme,mnaroho mbayaaaaa hata chakula chenu kibayaaaa nimewahi kupata shida ya tumbo kila nikitoka Kenya,wali kama Katanga,kiswahili hamjui na ndio lugha ya utambulisho wenu kama Africa,MTU anaefundishwa kiswahili Kenya utaona Huduma ukikutana nae,mmejaa confidence za kijinga hata msipoweza unatia kimbelembele mnaroho mbayaaaa,sura mbayaaaa Africa mashariki na kati,wanawake wenu wana roho mbayaaaaaaaa,
Yani in short nahisi kuna vitu mmelaanika [emoji57] Mungu awasaidie,omba omba wa Kenya ni kibaka pia a naomba huku kashika kopo la mavi ukimnyima anakumwagia ,yaani mh!wacheni mjipendekeze guys mnahard time

mamkuu5 · Apr 17, 2017

Lewis254 said:
hao madaktari mbona mpaka sasa hawajafika?

and i hear they are paid peanuts back in their homeland.

Wafike kufanya nini?na your unskilled Dr wamegoma?msije kumkatuulia wa dr Wetu,eti peanut wakati uchumi wenu umeshikwa na watu kumi,kutoka Arusha mpaka moshi unaweza kukuta range 80 na wenyewe hawafahamiani wakati Kunya Range tatu Nairobi kila MTU anajua Hii yaani,Karibu Arusha Geniva ya Africa

mamkuu5 · Apr 17, 2017

Iconoclastes said:
This answer of yours........what can I say.......dumb? Sorry, I dont mean to insult u, and feel not offended about that!

Now, I asked u to explain in details, as u have about slums above, the characteristics of unplanned settlements. How are unplanned settlements distinct from slums? So, does the presence of a few multi-million properties make the difference? For your info........there exist such properties smack in the middle of every major slum in Kenya, including Kibera.

This is what's my understanding of what unplanned settlements really are:

They are housing areas not in compliance with the set codes of planning and building quality. The houses are usually of poor quality cos they are hastily built out of poor quality materials. The land on which the housing is based- the occupants have no legal claim to (we call them squatters here in Kenya). They are haphazardly planned- resulting to irregular access to such crucial amenities as toilets, sewerage/drainage systems, electricity, clean water, quality schools, medical facilities, security and even well pronounced access routes to the houses.

Manzese

Kibera

These are both unplanned settlements. But Kibera, it can be argued is in worse state than Manzese cos so many people- (around 250k people) are confined in such a small space- around 2.5km2. Add that to the fact that it is located right next to a major city added to its dubious reputation around the world.

Tafadhari manzese hata njia zinaonekana ,hapo kibera watu wanapita wapi?wanavyoo kweli?

mamkuu5 · Apr 17, 2017

Iconoclastes said:
Why not? Kwani what so special about the Botswana roads? I can tell u with a very straight face that the roads in the Kenyan rural areas are of very good quality.......one of the reasons Kenya is ranked well ahead of its peers in the region in terms of development. Roads are considered part of the indicators of infrastructural development.

Roads in Turkana.....one of the Kenya's most notorious regions

TURKANA COUNTY | Development News and Discussion - Page 4 - SkyscraperCity

Hapa unazungumzia county mzima,Hii wenzio IPO Rombo huko padogo tu kuelekea Huruma DDH

Iconoclastes · Apr 17, 2017

eliakeem said:
Brother... can't be serious. If you mention Botswana you talk a country of another level.
When have you been there?

I should put this question right back to u........have u been to Kenya? I posted thus in response to your following asinine comment....

eliakeem said:
Hivi wewe unaongea nini??
Usichanganye mambo, inawezekana Nairobi imejengwa barabara nyingi lkn si Kenya yote imejengwa. Kuna maeneo mengi hayajaunganishwa na Nairobi.

There are good roads in Botswana, granted, but just like in Kenya, not every region is connected with roads. The land is largely arid.....the regions in the north are sparsely populated, there isnt really any economic significance in having roads in such place, cos who would be the consumers?
The same is the case in Kenya, where well over 85% of the population is concentrated in the southern portion of the country.

Botswana Roads network

Kenya roads network

And I still insist that Kenya has more well paved roads than Botswana. And I can prove it.

These are Skyscrapercity photos.

[RB] Roads in Botswana - SkyscraperCity

Kenya Highways and Roads - Page 7 - SkyscraperCity

Iconoclastes · Apr 17, 2017

eliakeem said:
Thanks for bringing in here the satellite images of two areas.
If you zoom in each one with serious eyes you will categorically notice what I asserted before.
That's in unplanned settlements there are semi crafted infrastructure and other amenities. Look at manzese you can even trace the roads, you can also see the telecom mast. Brother I'm talking this coz i participated in Community Infrastructure Upgrading Programmes in several countries. One challenge we faced in slums (unlike in unplanned settlements) was impossible to get even the narrow space for road to tarmac.
You will agree with me that in kibera all the roofs are of the same type and roofing materials as if are owned by the same building society. As a result all are affected by rust to the same extent.
If you look at manzese can see even the green, red, blue roof. This shows that the area accommodates people of different income levels.
Again the first orthofoto shows the high value properties which are adjacent to kibera not within. I tried to navigate on Google earth but never found them within the area.
I think you can again agree with me that the kibera situation is of its own kind. I getting hard to real imagine if more than 2mio watu can dwell in such area.

Do not try to deviate from the crux of the argument here, brother. I think I admitted in my above comment that Manzese is a much better place than Kibera.....and I pointed out it is due to availability of ample space, which is very lacking in Kibera. Now, the issue here is about Unplanned settlements, how do they differ from slums?

In Nairobi, not every place regarded as a slum is like Kibera. In fact most are pretty much like Manzese. But they are still called slums.
It appears to me that u Tanzanians are playing around with this phrase in order to escape from the fact that slums really exist in Dar, and that it is in fact a bigger slum-dome than Nairobi.

Now, let me help u here my friend.......I will answer the question about the difference btwn unplanned settlements and slums: Really, there is no difference.
However, slums refer to those unplanned settlements within an urban setting. We refer to them as villages when its in a rural setting. These are the places where the poor people inhabit. But I dint say that all the people living in villages are poor.

barafuyamoto · Apr 17, 2017

Tanzania hakuna slums!

Iconoclastes · Apr 17, 2017

eliakeem said:
Again the first orthofoto shows the high value properties which are adjacent to kibera not within. I tried to navigate on Google earth but never found them within the area.
I think you can again agree with me that the kibera situation is of its own kind. I getting hard to real imagine if more than 2mio watu can dwell in such area.

Kibera is also being gentrified, but still that doent make it less of a slum.

In Kibera, there are very good roads cutting thru the slum

Therefore the presence of a few multi-million marionettes or roads do not change the fact that Manzese is a slum!

tuusan · Apr 17, 2017

Hahaha ila kibera kiboko iyo hukuti nchi yoyote tena,nakatika mahali hamtaki kuguswa ni hapo ,mnajidai kuzungumzia karen suburb! !
Bora bongo watu wanaishi kwenye makazi duni Ila nyie hovyo kabisa

eliakeem · Apr 17, 2017

Iconoclastes said:
Do not try to deviate from the crux of the argument here, brother. I think I admitted in my above comment that Manzese is a much better place than Kibera.....and I pointed out it is due to availability of ample space, which is very lacking in Kibera. Now, the issue here is about Unplanned settlements, how do they differ from slums?

In Nairobi, not every place regarded as a slum is like Kibera. In fact most are pretty much like Manzese. But they are still called slums.
It appears to me that u Tanzanians are playing around with this phrase in order to escape from the fact that slums really exist in Dar, and that it is in fact a bigger slum-dome than Nairobi.

Now, let me help u here my friend.......I will answer the question about the difference btwn unplanned settlements and slums: Really, there is no difference.
However, slums refer to those unplanned settlements within an urban setting. We refer to them as villages when its in a rural setting. These are the places where the poor people inhabit. But I dint say that all the people living in villages are poor.

Slums are not synonymous with unplanned settlements. But be careful on the following logic "all slums are unplanned settlements but not all unplanned settlements are slums.
If you recall I gave you the characteristics of slums, and said when those parameters are fully met then the neighbourhood can be termed as a slum. Unplanned settlements have semi crafted infrastructure and other utilities.
In Tanzania all unplanned settlements comprise buildings with relatively high standard of workmanship and materials (some worth around US$ 500'000 like Makongo juu and Manzese Palestina), electric poles, a traceable roads (thought some are not in standard width), some have open sewerage system (like Daraja mbili Arusha), some have Certificates of Right of Occupancy (so they are live (not dead) capital as per De Soto), some have open spaces (which act as lungs of the neighbourhood), some have parking bays (which act as road furnitures), almost all have tap water, spaces for telecom mast and what you have not.
I think, from above, you can be in position to distinguish between the two.

Lewis254 · Apr 18, 2017

mamkuu5 said:
Ila Kenyans mjifunze kufikiri vizuri mmekua kama kaspoiled kid,hamjui unataka nini ,kiburi majivuno ,wivu,kujilinganisha na kelele,hivi mnajua kwakutafuta kujilinganisha na Tanzania mnazidi kuonekana mnatamani kuwa Tz?Hii ni kwasababu hamuwezi kuwa,hamna mnaloweza mbali na utapeli na wizi,uongo na mbwembwe,usaniii jamani huko ndo msiseme,mnaroho mbayaaaaa hata chakula chenu kibayaaaa nimewahi kupata shida ya tumbo kila nikitoka Kenya,wali kama Katanga,kiswahili hamjui na ndio lugha ya utambulisho wenu kama Africa,MTU anaefundishwa kiswahili Kenya utaona Huduma ukikutana nae,mmejaa confidence za kijinga hata msipoweza unatia kimbelembele mnaroho mbayaaaa,sura mbayaaaa Africa mashariki na kati,wanawake wenu wana roho mbayaaaaaaaa,
Yani in short nahisi kuna vitu mmelaanika [emoji57] Mungu awasaidie,omba omba wa Kenya ni kibaka pia a naomba huku kashika kopo la mavi ukimnyima anakumwagia ,yaani mh!wacheni mjipendekeze guys mnahard time

kam nikufundishe kiingereza maana hakuna mKenya yeyote anayeweza kusoma io matapishi yote umeandika apo.

kadoda11 · Apr 18, 2017

kadoda11 said:
Mimi hizo statistics zao za kupika kupitia taasisi mbalimbali zenye ufadhili wa pesa za wazungu,hata sina habari nazo.

nitazama twitter kama kawaida yangu kuchunguza tweets zenye neno "slums" kwa east Africa, zina address zaidi nchi gani.

pia nitazam fb,kuchunguza status zenye neno "slums" kwa east Africa,zina zungumzia zaidi nchi gani.

majibu yote yatafahamika kupitia screenshots nitakazo zileta.

kwa maelezo hayo,tayari wakenya chupi zishaanza kuwabana.maana wanajuwa vurugu zangu ktk kucheza na screenshots.

nimetimiza ahadi yangu kama nilivyohaidi katika post yangu iliyopita hapo juu.(isome vizuri ili kuelewa lengo langu).

nime-spend dakika kadhaa katika mtandao wa twitter kuchunguza neno "slums" lina-refer zaidi nchi gani east Africa.

katika kufanya uchunguzi wangu,nilitumia keyword "slums in east Africa".

matokeo yake ni kwamba,karibia mamia ya tweets zote nilizo zipitia baada ya ku-press kitufe cha search kwenye search bar ya mtandao wa Twitter,zilii-refer kenya kwa kuhusisha zaidi slums zinazopatikana nairobi.

ni tweets chache sana zilizoi-refer Tanzania,Uganda,Burundi au Rwanda.

kwa muktadha huo,kenya ndio nchi pekee inayoongoza kwa slums EA na si tz kama anavodai mleta mada.
ni mujungu tu na chuki za wakenya kwa mama Tanzania.

hizi ni baadhi ya screenshots zinazo ihusisha kenya na slums ndani EA.
(Ktk hizi screenshots, zingine ni latest)

karibuni mjionee.
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MOTOCHINI ichoboy01 Annael na wadau wengine wote,nimewazawadia Zawadi ya easter,hiyo hapo juu.

NB.screenshots zaidi zitafata.

Lewis254 · Apr 18, 2017

Ohh please...
>>> The 25 poorest countries in the world

Lusematic · Apr 18, 2017

Jay456watt said:
hehe sasawa...getting our hands dirty as well...hawa watnzania wanasinya kweli....hawajui wakati tunapo nyamaza si kwamba hatujui kuwa tanzania yenyewe pia ina slums mbaya sana...

acha uwongo eti slum mbaya sana......umesahau ungesema slum mbaya sana kuliko kenya..........
we jamaa waajabu ngoja nikucheke kidogo.[emoji23] [emoji23] [emoji23] [emoji23] yaani website zenu za kenya mnajiandalia habar na fact zenu kisha mnazileta huku msiforce tufanane....wakenya ni dagaa tu mbele ya papa tanzania kwa ocean.

kadoda11 · Apr 18, 2017

Lewis254 said:
Ok Kenya iko na slums, hatukatai. Between Kenya and Tanzania, which one is more developed? Infrastructure and Gdp per capita. Ask yourself ama uende Google.

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kadoda11 said:
nimetimiza ahadi yangu kama nilivyohaidi katika post yangu iliyopita hapo juu.(isome vizuri ili kuelewa lengo langu).

nime-spend dakika kadhaa katika mtandao wa twitter kuchunguza neno "slums" lina-refer zaidi nchi gani east Africa.

katika kufanya uchunguzi wangu,nilitumia keyword "slums in east Africa".

matokeo yake ni kwamba,karibia mamia ya tweets zote nilizo zipitia baada ya ku-press kitufe cha search kwenye search bar ya mtandao wa Twitter,zilii-refer kenya kwa kuhusisha zaidi slums zinazopatikana nairobi.

ni tweets chache sana zilizoi-refer Tanzania,Uganda,Burundi au Rwanda.

kwa muktadha huo,kenya ndio nchi pekee inayoongoza kwa slums EA na si tz kama anavodai mleta mada.
ni mujungu tu na chuki za wakenya kwa mama Tanzania.

hizi ni baadhi ya screenshots zinazo ihusisha kenya na slums ndani EA.
(Ktk hizi screenshots, zingine ni latest)

karibuni mjionee.
[emoji23] [emoji23] [emoji23] [emoji116] [emoji116] [emoji116] [emoji23] [emoji23] [emoji23]

[emoji23] [emoji23] [emoji23] [emoji115] [emoji115] [emoji115] [emoji23] [emoji23] [emoji23]
MOTOCHINI ichoboy01 Annael na wadau wengine wote,nimewazawadia Zawadi ya easter,hiyo hapo juu.

NB.screenshots zaidi zitafata.

kadoda11 · Apr 18, 2017

Lewis254 said:
Ohh please...
>>> The 25 poorest countries in the world

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kadoda11 said:
nimetimiza ahadi yangu kama nilivyohaidi katika post yangu iliyopita hapo juu.(isome vizuri ili kuelewa lengo langu).

nime-spend dakika kadhaa katika mtandao wa twitter kuchunguza neno "slums" lina-refer zaidi nchi gani east Africa.

katika kufanya uchunguzi wangu,nilitumia keyword "slums in east Africa".

matokeo yake ni kwamba,karibia mamia ya tweets zote nilizo zipitia baada ya ku-press kitufe cha search kwenye search bar ya mtandao wa Twitter,zilii-refer kenya kwa kuhusisha zaidi slums zinazopatikana nairobi.

ni tweets chache sana zilizoi-refer Tanzania,Uganda,Burundi au Rwanda.

kwa muktadha huo,kenya ndio nchi pekee inayoongoza kwa slums EA na si tz kama anavodai mleta mada.
ni mujungu tu na chuki za wakenya kwa mama Tanzania.

hizi ni baadhi ya screenshots zinazo ihusisha kenya na slums ndani EA.
(Ktk hizi screenshots, zingine ni latest)

karibuni mjionee.
[emoji23] [emoji23] [emoji23] [emoji116] [emoji116] [emoji116] [emoji23] [emoji23] [emoji23]

[emoji23] [emoji23] [emoji23] [emoji115] [emoji115] [emoji115] [emoji23] [emoji23] [emoji23]
MOTOCHINI ichoboy01 Annael na wadau wengine wote,nimewazawadia Zawadi ya easter,hiyo hapo juu.

NB.screenshots zaidi zitafata.

INGENJA · Apr 18, 2017

naona ulikuwa unatengeneza thread yako kwa kugoogle kidogo anyway sio mbaya

kadoda11 · Apr 18, 2017

Lewis254 said:
kam nikufundishe kiingereza maana hakuna mKenya yeyote anayeweza kusoma io matapishi yote umeandika apo.

wewe kwanza ni mjinga, hata hicho kingereza chenyewe hujui achilia mbali kujua lugha adhimu ya kiswahili.

kama unabisha,jaribu tuone uwezo wako wa "unacho kinena".

Lusematic · Apr 18, 2017

jamani wakenya msiwe vichwa maji yaani leo hii mmegeuka mmekuwa mijusi mnakataa kama hamna slum nyingi vitu ziko wazi peupe...mnajifariji pasipo faraja....slum kwenu ni hatar mpo vibaya kwa slum

Lusematic · Apr 18, 2017

Lewis254 said:
hao madaktari mbona mpaka sasa hawajafika?

and i hear they are paid peanuts back in their homeland.

watakuja kwa taratibu maalum na sikuja kama mbwa makubaliano kamili kwanza ni waje tu ovyo ovyo nyie vip

Tanzania has approx 2 Million more people living in slums, than Kenya

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