Tanzania ready for phase two of SGR from Morogoro to Dodoma

[Lobapula]

Mara nyingi huwa ninashangaa kama kweli ninyi wakenya mnafuatilia mambo kwa undani au mnafanya kwa ushabiki tu, kama utafuatilia na kuangalia working framework ya ujenzi wa SGR ya Kenya na Tanzania, utaona kwamba, wakati ile ya Kenya ikifika Kisumu, ile ya Tanzania itakua imefika Mwanza, hii ni kwa sababu zifuatazo
1) SGR ya Kenya imepangwa kujengwa hivyo, kwamba awamu moja ikimalizika ndiyo ianze ujenzi wa awamu inayofuata, ile ya Tanzania awamu zote zinaenda pamoja
2)Mkandarasi wa SGR ya Kenya ni huyohuyo mmoja kutoka mwanzo hadi mwisho, Tanzania imeamua kuwa na wakandarasi tofauti tofauti, wote waweze kufanyakazi kwa wakati mmoja
3) Reli ya Kenya ina mahandaki mengi na marefu, na madaraja mengi ambavyo vyote vinachukua muda mrefu sana hadi kukamilika kwake.

Kwa sababu hiyo reli ya Tanzania inategewewa kuisha mapema kuliko ile ya Kenya, kama kuna mkenya mwenye ile working plan ya ujenzi wa hiyo reli anaweza kuileta ili tulinganishe na ile ya Tanzania, tuone inayotegemewa kuisha mapema ni ipi?

wakikujib ni tag mkuu

 

[joto la jiwe]

ndugu una pang'ang'a nyingi kweli..but a forest of words and a desert of points.we need to see things on the ground.acha ziishe ndio uje hapa ukijitapa

Mtu yeyote aliyefilisika kwa hoja, anabaki kupiga kelele kama hizi za kwako, miradi yote professional planning phase ndiyo muhimu kuliko huko field, tatizo lako wewe unashobokea sana kuona machuma na mashine bila kujua time frame, matokeo yake mradi unaweza kuwahi kuanza lakini kama huna timeframe na ikasimamiwa vizuri, unachelewa kumalizika.

Mbona Mombasa Nairobi kulikuwa na time frame iliyojulikana?, sasa kwa nini unataka Tanzania wafuate time frame ya Kenya?, time frame ya Tanzania inazingatiwa kama ilivyopangwa, kwamba ujenzi utaanza 2017 na kumalizika 2021, subiri ifike 2021 uje usafiri kutoka Dar mpaka Kigali kwa masa 9 pekee

 

[joto la jiwe]

Hapo umemaliza, hawaji ng'o.....[emoji23]

Subiri watakuja tu, si unawajua vizuri shemeji zetu hawa?[emoji1] [emoji1]

 

[Mwanzi1]

Subiri watakuja tu, si unawajua vizuri shemeji zetu hawa?[emoji1] [emoji1]

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[thisdayes]

Hii mikopo hii itatuuua!! Watu mnashangilia phase two, but naona hapo wrld bank ndio watatoa fedha! Ni mkopo kiasi gani unariba kiasi gani and how are we going to pay the loan! Ataingia rais mwingine akute deni ni trilioni 60 aanze nayeye kulalamika na kuunda tume afu treni inafanya kazi kwa ku bp

Wapi wamesema hyo pesa imetoka World bank!! BTW its economical efficient to lend to finance such projects in countries like TZ.

 

[thisdayes]

hii ndio inaitwa tanzania ya vi-wonder....phase one haijatoka hata renders za station jamaa wanasema phase two ina start soon..😀😀😀..rusheni mawe nimevaa helmet na ikizidi ntayaokota nijengee nyumba

Renders zimetoka kitambo.. wewe kuto kuziona haina maana hazipo!

 

[Jay456watt]

Mara nyingi huwa ninashangaa kama kweli ninyi wakenya mnafuatilia mambo kwa undani au mnafanya kwa ushabiki tu, kama utafuatilia na kuangalia working framework ya ujenzi wa SGR ya Kenya na Tanzania, utaona kwamba, wakati ile ya Kenya ikifika Kisumu, ile ya Tanzania itakua imefika Mwanza, hii ni kwa sababu zifuatazo
1) SGR ya Kenya imepangwa kujengwa hivyo, kwamba awamu moja ikimalizika ndiyo ianze ujenzi wa awamu inayofuata, ile ya Tanzania awamu zote zinaenda pamoja
2)Mkandarasi wa SGR ya Kenya ni huyohuyo mmoja kutoka mwanzo hadi mwisho, Tanzania imeamua kuwa na wakandarasi tofauti tofauti, wote waweze kufanyakazi kwa wakati mmoja
3) Reli ya Kenya ina mahandaki mengi na marefu, na madaraja mengi ambavyo vyote vinachukua muda mrefu sana hadi kukamilika kwake.

Kwa sababu hiyo reli ya Tanzania inategewewa kuisha mapema kuliko ile ya Kenya, kama kuna mkenya mwenye ile working plan ya ujenzi wa hiyo reli anaweza kuileta ili tulinganishe na ile ya Tanzania, tuone inayotegemewa kuisha mapema ni ipi?

wachana hata na muda wa kumaliza ujenzi....kwanza swali nyeti ni hili...hela za kujenga reli phases zote kwa pamoja zipo? ukishajibu hili, njoo nikununulie kinywaji baridi...utakua umejaribu...reli haijengwi na MOUs...hela lazma ziwepo ili ujenzi uharakishwe...

 

[Jay456watt]

Geopolitical Rivals: Tanzania and Kenya
Kenya's emergence as the most powerful exporter in the region, with an expansive transportation network that provides vital supply chains into the Great Lakes region of Africa, has not gone unnoticed. Coupled with Nairobi's primacy as the hub of the regional financial industry, this has made Tanzania, Kenya's natural rival in the East African Community, uneasy. Tanzania harbors the same aspirations as Kenya but does not have the geographic advantage or developed financial system to truly compete. Its business orientation has also differed from Kenya's, which was a waypoint for regional trade routes dating back to colonial times. By comparison, Tanzania is traditionally more oriented toward internal activities, with poorer infrastructure linkages and a limited strategic emphasis on liberal economic development.

 

[Geza Ulole]

hii ndio inaitwa tanzania ya vi-wonder....phase one haijatoka hata renders za station jamaa wanasema phase two ina start soon..😀😀😀..rusheni mawe nimevaa helmet na ikizidi ntayaokota nijengee nyumba

Mpumbavu kama wewe atashangilia those fancy stations. Njoo Ulaya uone stations zilivyo hata za mijini! Very normal sasa hebu niambie unaweka state of the art station Voi ihudumie nani? Mbuzi? MBAYA zaidi train za diesel zenye mwendo kasi chini ya 80 km/h! Wewe ni mburula wa mwisho.

 

[relis]

phase one hawajamaliza washaanza kuongelea phase 2...😀😀😀

Mtamuelewa tu na zikishaisha mtaomba mpelekwe mvumi mkatibiwe macho maana hamuamini mkionacho

 

[simplemind]

Single solitary inch ya phase one SGR bado.

 

[joto la jiwe]

wachana hata na muda wa kumaliza ujenzi....kwanza swali nyeti ni hili...hela za kujenga reli phases zote kwa pamoja zipo? ukishajibu hili, njoo nikununulie kinywaji baridi...utakua umejaribu...reli haijengwi na MOUs...hela lazma ziwepo ili ujenzi uharakishwe...

AfDB wamekubali kutoa pesa kwa ajili ya mradi huu, Japo Magufuli hapendi sana mikopo toka benki za kibiashara lakini kuna dalili kubwa hii phase ya pili pesa zikatoka Exim bank ya Turkey, phase mbili zitagharimiwa na pesa za ndani, hii ya kwanza na ya mwisho.

Kumbuka Magufuli ndiye aliyeamua kuachana na mkopo toka China kwa sababu ya riba kubwa na mambo mengine, bank za kibiashara zipo tayari wakati wowote kutoa pesa, kumbuka deni la Tanzania bado ni dogo ukilinganisha na Kenya, kwa hiyo inakopesheka kiurahisi sana ikiamua kuomba mkopo kwenye mabenki hayo, anachotaka Magufuli ni kupata mkopo usio wa kibiashara

 

[joto la jiwe]

Geopolitical Rivals: Tanzania and Kenya
Kenya's emergence as the most powerful exporter in the region, with an expansive transportation network that provides vital supply chains into the Great Lakes region of Africa, has not gone unnoticed. Coupled with Nairobi's primacy as the hub of the regional financial industry, this has made Tanzania, Kenya's natural rival in the East African Community, uneasy. Tanzania harbors the same aspirations as Kenya but does not have the geographic advantage or developed financial system to truly compete. Its business orientation has also differed from Kenya's, which was a waypoint for regional trade routes dating back to colonial times. By comparison, Tanzania is traditionally more oriented toward internal activities, with poorer infrastructure linkages and a limited strategic emphasis on liberal economic development.

Article kama hizi ni nzuri sana katika kuchokoza mada kwa ajili ya kuwa na mjadala wenye kupanua uelewa, kwanza sijaelewa hii article iliandikwa mwaka gani, inaonekana ama ni ya zamani au aliyeandika alimaanisha jambo tofauti, alipoandika "most powerful exporter ", alimaanisha nini, kwa sababu hadi sasa Kenya na Tanzania total exports zao zinalingana, ila Kenya ina import more( $2B),zaidi ya Tanzania. Geographically Tanzania is far away strategically located than Kenya;
1)Inapakana na nchi 8, ambazo zote ni stable politically, ukiondoa burundi,
Kenya inapakana na nchi tano, mbili zipo kwenye vita, na moja (Ethiopia), haina mazingira mazuri ya biashara
2)Bandari ya Dar, Inategemewa na Uganda(15%), Rwanda 80%, Burundi 90%, Eastern DRC 70%, Zambia 99%, Malawi 99%, Zimbabwe 20%. Bandari ya Mombasa inategemewa na nchi ya Uganda 85%, SSudan 90%, Rwanda 20%, DRC 30%.

 

[1academ]

Hongereni

 

[Geza Ulole]

Geopolitical Rivals: Tanzania and Kenya
Kenya's emergence as the most powerful exporter in the region, with an expansive transportation network that provides vital supply chains into the Great Lakes region of Africa, has not gone unnoticed. Coupled with Nairobi's primacy as the hub of the regional financial industry, this has made Tanzania, Kenya's natural rival in the East African Community, uneasy. Tanzania harbors the same aspirations as Kenya but does not have the geographic advantage or developed financial system to truly compete. Its business orientation has also differed from Kenya's, which was a waypoint for regional trade routes dating back to colonial times. By comparison, Tanzania is traditionally more oriented toward internal activities, with poorer infrastructure linkages and a limited strategic emphasis on liberal economic development.

Suit urself slumber we r taking Uganda export market with our faster SGR [emoji23] [emoji115]

 

[joto la jiwe]

Suit urself slumber we r taking Uganda export market with our faster SGR [emoji23] [emoji115]

Mimi ninaogopa sana kuona huenda SGR ya Kenya isiwe na mizigo ya kutosha, kwa sababu nchi pekee yenye uhakika kuitumia ni Uganda, ambayo ndiyo battle ground kati ya Kenya na Tanzania, nchi zilizobaki kama South Sudan, Rwanda na DRC, Kenya haina direct control ni hadi pale Uganda itakapoweza na kukubali kujenga hizo reli zote kuunganisha nchi hizo, Uganda ilishasema haina mizigo wala biashara ya kutosha kati yake na Rwanda, au DRC kuweza kujenga reli kwenda nchi hizo, ila itajenga kwenda South Sudan tu, kama Soko la Uganda ambalo ndiyo tegemeo kubwa la SGR ya Kenya watagawana na Tanzania japo 70/30, South Sudan ukitoa mafuta hawana mizigo ya kutosha.

 

[MTOCHORO]

Mimi ninaogopa sana kuona huenda SGR ya Kenya isiwe na mizigo ya kutosha, kwa sababu nchi pekee yenye uhakika kuitumia ni Uganda, ambayo ndiyo battle ground kati ya Kenya na Tanzania, nchi zilizobaki kama South Sudan, Rwanda na DRC, Kenya haina direct control ni hadi pale Uganda itakapoweza na kukubali kujenga hizo reli zote kuunganisha nchi hizo, Uganda ilishasema haina mizigo wala biashara ya kutosha kati yake na Rwanda, au DRC kuweza kujenga reli kwenda nchi hizo, ila itajenga kwenda South Sudan tu, kama Soko la Uganda ambalo ndiyo tegemeo kubwa la SGR ya Kenya watagawana na Tanzania japo 70/30, South Sudan ukitoa mafuta hawana mizigo ya kutosha.

Hivi umewahi kusafiri Mombasa to Nairobi unajua kulikuwa kuna Malori mangapi hapo njiani hizo tu zinatosha SGR ya Nairobi Mokbasa kuwa bize.

Sasa hii ya Dar Moro inaenda kuleta nini mkaa au wapogoro
Hivi sisi TAZARA japo Kenya hawakuwahi kuwa na kiwango cha reli kama hiyo imekuwa na mzigo wa kutosha?

 

[joto la jiwe]

Hivi umewahi kusafiri Mombasa to Nairobi unajua kulikuwa kuna Malori mangapi hapo njiani hizo tu zinatosha SGR ya Nairobi Mokbasa kuwa bize.

Sasa hii ya Dar Moro inaenda kuleta nini mkaa au wapogoro
Hivi sisi TAZARA japo Kenya hawakuwahi kuwa na kiwango cha reli kama hiyo imekuwa na mzigo wa kutosha?

MTOCHORO, ninakuomba uwe unajaribu kujielimisha kwanza kabka ya kukurupuka kujibi hizi mada, hakuna nchi yoyote ile ndani ya nchi hizi masikini ambazo zinaweza kulipia deni kubwa kiasi hiki cha SGR kwa kutegemea mizigo ya ndani peke yake, pili unashindwa kuelewa kwamba hayo malori unayokutana nayo yanayotoka Mombasa kwenda Nairobi siyo ya Kenya peke yake, ni pamoja na, Uganda, Rwanda, South Sudan, DRC, Burundi, na Northen Tanzania?.

Kuhusu TAZARA, unafahamu fika kwamba ufanisi wa TAZARA uliyomba kama zilivyoyumba RVR kule Kenya na reli ya Uganda, au kama vilivyoyumba viwanda vingi hapa nchini, ila kwa sasa kila nchi inaamka kuimarisha utendaji wa mashirika ya reli, ndege na viwanda, kwa sasa hivi TAZARA imeanza kupata mizigo mingi ya DRC ambayo mwanzoni ilikua ikitumia barabara.

 

[joto la jiwe]

Hivi umewahi kusafiri Mombasa to Nairobi unajua kulikuwa kuna Malori mangapi hapo njiani hizo tu zinatosha SGR ya Nairobi Mokbasa kuwa bize.

Sasa hii ya Dar Moro inaenda kuleta nini mkaa au wapogoro
Hivi sisi TAZARA japo Kenya hawakuwahi kuwa na kiwango cha reli kama hiyo imekuwa na mzigo wa kutosha?

Kama nilivyokuambia, kabla ya kuchangia uwe angalau unajihoji kama kweli hoja yako in mashiko, sasa wapi ulisikia kuna reli ya Dar- Moro?, reli inayojengwa ni Dar- Isaka-Mwanza-Kigali-Bujumbura, ila imegawanywa kwenye hizo awamu, hivi wewe ukiwa unakwenda Marekani kwa kutumia KLM, na ukaambiwa utapitia Amsterdam, hapo utalala kwa siku moja na Kesho yake utabadilisha ndege kuelekea Marekani, utasema unasafiri kwenda Marekani au Uholanzi?

 

[MTOCHORO]

MTOCHORO, ninakuomba uwe unajaribu kujielimisha kwanza kabka ya kukurupuka kujibi hizi mada, hakuna nchi yoyote ile ndani ya nchi hizi masikini ambazo zinaweza kulipia deni kubwa kiasi hiki cha SGR kwa kutegemea mizigo ya ndani peke yake, pili unashindwa kuelewa kwamba hayo malori unayokutana nayo yanayotoka Mombasa kwenda Nairobi siyo ya Kenya peke yake, ni pamoja na, Uganda, Rwanda, South Sudan, DRC, Burundi, na Northen Tanzania?.

Kuhusu TAZARA, unafahamu fika kwamba ufanisi wa TAZARA uliyomba kama zilivyoyumba RVR kule Kenya na reli ya Uganda, au kama vilivyoyumba viwanda vingi hapa nchini, ila kwa sasa kila nchi inaamka kuimarisha utendaji wa mashirika ya reli, ndege na viwanda, kwa sasa hivi TAZARA imeanza kupata mizigo mingi ya DRC ambayo mwanzoni ilikua ikitumia barabara.

Nitaendelea kujielimisha Nashukuru.
Lakini tujiulize sisi zimeyumba zote Tazara ya kati na hata ya kaskazini inamaana hakuna kinachoendelea Tanzania kuhusu reli.

South Sudan Uganda Rwanda Central Africa Burundi Ethiopia na DRC wataendelea kuitumia bandari ya Mombasa na ya Lamu kila siku haitakoma kwasababu hawawezi kuitumainia Tanzania kibiashara na unajua hilo.
Kenya inasonga mbele ukifika unaona matumaini kabisa.

Wao wamejenga hadi Nairobi sasa wanaelekea Nivasha sisi tunajenga kwenda Morogoro na Dodoma kuna nini?