Tanzania SGR Bridges vs Kenyan

[Prince leonny]

Naamini hili jambo ni jema na tutafanikiwa kuna watu wanataka wakilala wakiamka wakute tayari tren inatembea ilhali yeye yupo kwenye ajira mwaka wa 10 ndo kwanza anamiliki kiwanja cha kujengea nyumba hata mchanga tu hajamwaga wala ramani ya nyumba hana tupende vyakwetu siku zote jiwekee matumaini ya kushinda na kuwa na mafanikio makubwa

 

[Geza Ulole]

Uganda will be building electric rail with the context that they have signed, therefore they wont need additional cost for electrification, by the time the rail reaches kampala, Kenya is also expected to have aready electrified ..i.e by 2020..

Tomorrow I will post some renders of our bridges in phase 2A , phase 2A will have the highest bridge in EA with a height of 120m...
Meanwhile enjoy some of the stations you can expect from the other phases along the kenyan route ...

Phase 2A,B,C, 3A


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Kisumu
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Malaba
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Naamini hili jambo ni jema na tutafanikiwa kuna watu wanataka wakilala wakiamka wakute tayari tren inatembea ilhali yeye yupo kwenye ajira mwaka wa 10 ndo kwanza anamiliki kiwanja cha kujengea nyumba hata mchanga tu hajamwaga wala ramani ya nyumba hana tupende vyakwetu siku zote jiwekee matumaini ya kushinda na kuwa na mafanikio makubwa

Watch out Malaba-Kampala no funds availed so far. And until u have over around $2 bln is when that electrification will take place so total cost for all ur envisaged SGR network + $2 bln plus. And who to pay that gigantic loan? Kenyans ofcourse. U will be so stupid to not understand what we r arguing overhere..

 

[1academ]

Kuna documentary sahii KBC ya chinese railways mnaezatazama...hakuna tofauti na sgr ya kenya kWA madaraja

Have checked it out, Tibet high altitude railway, really nice

 

[Dhuks]

Watch out Malaba-Kampala no funds so availed far. And until u have over around $2 bln is when that electrification will take place so total cost for all ur envisaged SGR network + $2 bln plus. And who to pay that gigantic loan? Kenyans ofcourse. U will be so stupid to not understand what we r arguing overhere..

By the time it gets built u will have built exactly 41 kilometers and wondering where the rain started beating you

 

[RUKUKU BOY]

haaaaaa mtawauwa wakenya bure na reli train zao kama mkokoteni

 

[ChoiceVariable]

Mi nadhani tungebadili katiba yetu kwa rais wetu huyu atawale japo miaka 20 nna imani tutakuwa mbali sana.

Upupu ndo umeongea,Tz tuna watu smart wengi sana,yeye atafanya zamu yake watakija wengine

 

[Naton Jr]

Dah kwa kweli Vivaa Magufuli leo nimeshangaa kumbe mpaka hii phase two ya Moro to Dom financier ni serikali Dah well done president ni kweli tunapaa ila kwa zijazo Nashauri tutafute soft loans.

 

[Kafrican]

Watch out Malaba-Kampala no funds availed so far. And until u have over around $2 bln is when that electrification will take place so total cost for all ur envisaged SGR network + $2 bln plus. And who to pay that gigantic loan? Kenyans ofcourse. U will be so stupid to not understand what we r arguing overhere..

How did you come up with the +$2B cost? Electrification costs 15% of the rail cost....
Mombasa-Nairobi $3.8B, Nairobi-Naivasha $1.5B Naivasha-Kisumu $3.5B leaving a small section to Malaba lets say total cost $9B up to the border..... Electrification from Mombasa to Malaba cant be more than $1.3B, once we electrify we will need new trains meaning after we electrify we will use combination of diesel and electric we will have so many trains leaving to and fro and in between, the northern corridor will still be the busiest route in the region! Don't worry your little head about the money

 

[Kafrican]

Khaa umeanza kwa ubishi tu...yaani umefukunyua picha ili mradi tu upate kulinganisha! Sasa daraja la mbao na steel+concrete wapi na wapi?

Ukiuliza engeneer yeyote atakwambia same design different materials.... Kumbuka hilo daraja lilijengwa 1850!!! sikuchukua zaidi ya sekunde 30 kupata hio picha, nina uhakika ukiruka miaka miamoja baadae yani 1950 utapata walikua wanatumia concrete and it will look very similar to the bridge on your renders, na kama hutapata picha inayofanana hivyo basi ujue mko taabani, as in no self respecting engeneer will want to implement(more like experiment) a civil engineering technology fete that has never been theorised and proven to work for atleast 2 decades.. I mean if they are building a new kind of bridge that they have never built before even back in their country, would you want to be labrats???? I don't think your govt civil engeneers would agree to something like that..

 

[Kafrican]

Haya sasa mmeongelea hilo daraja lenu moja, nimewaonyesha la NNP vile litakavo kua

Sasa tuangalie madaraja ya phase 2 Nairobi-Naivasha

Madaraja yenye urefu wa 120m mtawezana kweli

 

[REDEEMER.]

Haya sasa mmeongelea hilo daraja lenu moja, nimewaonyesha la NNP vile litakavo kua

Sasa tuangalie madaraja ya phase 2 Nairobi-Naivasha

Madaraja yenye urefu wa 120m mtawezana kweli

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Kutoka Mwanza kwenda Uganda reli itapita ziwa Victoria kwenye maji sasa hapo sijui utasema nini, Mungu abariki mipango yetu itimie.

 

[REDEEMER.]

Acha utoto.
sikujua uko fool kiasi hii

Najua hiyo imekuingia ila vumilia
Ipokee hivyo hivyo sababu
Hakuna namna.

 

[Kafrican]

Geza kule kwa mada ya 'LAPSSET tracking' ulisema

Kigamboni port? Never heard of it unless u meant Bagamoyo port that had to be suspended n priority given to the existing ones. As a result we snatched Uganda pipeline n plus a share of Uganda's SGR project as ports at Port Belly n Mwanza r expanded to link the rail across Lake Victoria.

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Kutoka Mwanza kwenda Uganda reli itapita ziwa Victoria kwenye maji sasa hapo sijui utasema nini, Mungu abariki mipango yetu itimie.

Well I have news for you, Mbali na reli ya Kenya kufika hadi Kampala, pia sisi tutajenga bandari kubwa kabisa pale kisumu kusafirisha mizigo na mafuta kwa miji yote kando ya L.Victoria .... So dont even waste your time, mnapoteza muda na pesa, Mombasa port is twice as big as Dar port, Kisumu port will be bigger than Mwanza port,

Tena isitoshe ukiangalia map, Kisumu iko karibu na Kampala kuliko Mwanza... Mizigo yenu itakua inachukua 72hours kufika kampala kutoka mwanza kubitia maji, yetu itakua inaenda na reli kwa masaa sita kutoka kisumu inafika kampala, tena isitoshe pia tukiipeleka ma meli kutoka bandari ya kisumu itachukua 48hours kufika/////

Sijui utasema nini, Mungu kweli abariki mipango yetu pia



Angalia bonge la bandari litakalojengwa Kisumu

Kuna mipango yakuifanya Kisumu iwe the commercial hub ya miji yote ya L.Victoria,,,, mna mipango gani na mwanza??? Kisumu to become EAC commercial capital, Uhuru says | TradeMark East Africa

 

[joto la jiwe]

Ukiuliza engeneer yeyote atakwambia same design different materials.... Kumbuka hilo daraja lilijengwa 1850!!! sikuchukua zaidi ya sekunde 30 kupata hio picha, nina uhakika ukiruka miaka miamoja baadae yani 1950 utapata walikua wanatumia concrete and it will look very similar to the bridge on your renders, na kama hutapata picha inayofanana hivyo basi ujue mko taabani, as in no self respecting engeneer will want to implement(more like experiment) a civil engineering technology fete that has never been theorised and proven to work for atleast 2 decades.. I mean if they are building a new kind of bridge that they have never built before even back in their country, would you want to be labrats???? I don't think your govt civil engeneers would agree to something like that..

Mimi ninadhani Kenya mngejiuliza maswali mawili ya msingi na mngewaomba viongozi wa Kenya kutoa majibu ya kisomi sio kishabiki kama wanavyofanya siku zote:
1)Kwanini Kenya imeshindwa kulipia japo gharama ya phase moja ya SGR ili kuepuka riba kubwa inayotokana na madeni, hadi sasa deni la taifa linatishia sana uwezekano wa Kenya kukopesheka
2)Kwanini ujenzi wa SGR ya kenya ukikamilika hadi malaba, na kama wataamua kuweka na umeme baadae inaweza kufikia $11B, wakati ile ya Tanzania hadi Mwanza inatarajia kugharimu $6B, wakati ina zaidi ya 200km ndefu zaidi ya Kenya?

Dah kwa kweli Vivaa Magufuli leo nimeshangaa kumbe mpaka hii phase two ya Moro to Dom financier ni serikali Dah well done president ni kweli tunapaa ila kwa zijazo Nashauri tutafute soft loans.

 

[REDEEMER.]

Geza kule kwa mada ya 'LAPSSET tracking' ulisema




Well I have news for you, Mbali na reli ya Kenya kufika hadi Kampala, pia sisi tutajenga bandari kubwa kabisa pale kisumu kusafirisha mizigo na mafuta kwa miji yote kando ya L.Victoria .... So dont even waste your time, mnapoteza muda na pesa, Mombasa port is twice as big as Dar port, Kisumu port will be bigger than Mwanza port,
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Tena isitoshe ukiangalia map, Kisumu iko karibu na Kampala kuliko Mwanza... Mizigo yenu itakua inachukua 72hours kufika kampala kutoka mwanza kubitia maji, yetu itakua inaenda na reli kwa masaa sita kutoka kisumu inafika kampala, tena isitoshe pia tukiipeleka ma meli kutoka bandari ya kisumu itachukua 48hours kufika/////

Sijui utasema nini, Mungu kweli abariki mipango yetu pia



Angalia bonge la bandari litakalojengwa Kisumu
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Kuna mipango yakuifanya Kisumu iwe the commercial hub ya miji yote ya L.Victoria,,,, mna mipango gani na mwanza??? Kisumu to become EAC commercial capital, Uhuru says | TradeMark East Africa

Nikupe tu taarifa saivi construction ipo in action bandari ya Dar expansion two times, Mtwara rebuild and expansion right now, Tanga rebuild and expansion right now for Uganda pipeline, Nyasa two bigger vessels already in operation for logistics, one for passengers in building right now, lake Tanganyika Kigoma port extension and EPZ building in building right now, Mwanza biggest ship for passengers and logistics to be built next year

 

[Kafrican]

Mimi ninadhani Kenya mngejiuliza maswali mawili ya msingi na mngewaomba viongozi wa Kenya kutoa majibu ya kisomi sio kishabiki kama wanavyofanya siku zote:
1)Kwanini Kenya imeshindwa kulipia japo gharama ya phase moja ya SGR ili kuepuka riba kubwa inayotokana na madeni, hadi sasa deni la taifa linatishia sana uwezekano wa Kenya kukopesheka
2)Kwanini ujenzi wa SGR ya kenya ukikamilika hadi malaba, na kama wataamua kuweka na umeme baadae inaweza kufikia $11B, wakati ile ya Tanzania hadi Mwanza inatarajia kugharimu $6B, wakati ina zaidi ya 200km ndefu zaidi ya Kenya?

Mishipa ya nini kujaribu kujenga na pesa zako wakati kuna priority nyengine.... Kwa mfano kenya ni nchi ina population ndogo kushinda Tanzania, Lakini ukiangalia bajeti ya elimu ya Kenya ya elimu pekee ni takriban $2Billion dollars, bajeti ya Tanzania ya elimu ni $600M .... Ukilinganisha bajet ya afya ni hivyo hivyo
Kama tungetakatungejenga SGR yote na pesa zetu lakini ingebidi tupunguze bajeti zengine kama hio ya elimu, jambo ambalo haliwezi fanyika kabisa hapa kenya manake hakuna mkenya atakubali bajeti ya vitu kama elim kupunguzwa, infact watu hua wanataka iongezwe zaidi

 

[joto la jiwe]

Mishipa ya nini kujaribu kujenga na pesa zako wakati kuna priority nyengine.... Kwa mfano kenya ni nchi ina population ndogo kushinda Tanzania, Lakini ukiangalia bajeti ya elimu ya Kenya ya elimu pekee ni takriban $2Billion dollars, bajeti ya Tanzania ya elimu ni $600M .... Ukilinganisha bajet ya afya ni hivyo hivyo
Kama tungetakatungejenga SGR yote na pesa zetu lakini ingebidi tupunguze bajeti zengine kama hio ya elimu, jambo ambalo haliwezi fanyika kabisa hapa kenya manake hakuna mkenya atakubali bajeti ya vitu kama elim kupunguzwa, infact watu hua wanataka iongezwe zaidi

Vipi kuhusu gharama kuwa mara mbili ya ile ya Tanzania?, au wakenya hawatokubali gharama za ujenzi ziwe nafuu kama ulivyosema?. Katika mradi huu tu wa ujenzi, Tanzania itaokoa $5B ambazo wakitaka wanaweza kuongeza bajeti za afya na elimu mara mbili ya hiyo ya Kenya, hapo bado sijaweka riba katika hiyo $11B ambayo kenya italipa, kifupi huu mradi peke yake Tanzania itaokoa zaidi ya $7B ambazo zitapelekwa katika mradi wa umeme wa maji utakaozalisha 2000 MW mwaka 2020

 

[REDEEMER.]

Mishipa ya nini kujaribu kujenga na pesa zako wakati kuna priority nyengine.... Kwa mfano kenya ni nchi ina population ndogo kushinda Tanzania, Lakini ukiangalia bajeti ya elimu ya Kenya ya elimu pekee ni takriban $2Billion dollars, bajeti ya Tanzania ya elimu ni $600M .... Ukilinganisha bajet ya afya ni hivyo hivyo
Kama tungetakatungejenga SGR yote na pesa zetu lakini ingebidi tupunguze bajeti zengine kama hio ya elimu, jambo ambalo haliwezi fanyika kabisa hapa kenya manake hakuna mkenya atakubali bajeti ya vitu kama elim kupunguzwa, infact watu hua wanataka iongezwe zaidi

Kwa taarifa yako Tanzania budget ya elimu ya primary mpaka ordinary level secondary serikali inatoa billion 40 kila mwezi sasa piga kwa mwaka then jumlisha advance level pamoja na colleges and higher education.

Kuhusu afya last year ilikua 30 billion for only drugs and medical equipments saivi ni 220 billion sasa nenda convert na bado kwenye Huduma za afya Kenya hamleti pua yenu Tanzania we are way far

 

[Kafrican]

Vipi kuhusu gharama kuwa mara mbili ya ile ya Tanzania?, au wakenya hawatokubali gharama za ujenzi ziwe nafuu kama ulivyosema?. Katika mradi huu tu wa ujenzi, Tanzania itaokoa $5B ambazo wakitaka wanaweza kuongeza bajeti za afya na elimu mara mbili ya hiyo ya Kenya, hapo bado sijaweka riba katika hiyo $11B ambayo kenya italipa, kifupi huu mradi peke yake Tanzania itaokoa zaidi ya $7B ambazo zitapelekwa katika mradi wa umeme wa maji utakaozalisha 2000 MW mwaka 2020

Hata sisi mbali na bujeti tunapanga kuongeza hadi 3000MW by 2020....

Alafu hapo Tanzania SGR ya tz kutoka dar hadi mwanza ni at least $7B ...

SGR ya kenya itakua na urefu wa hadi 1,109 km, ya Tanzania ni about 1,224km hadi mwanza.

Mbali na umeme unafaa uangalie mambo mengine ya technical details ndo itajua tofauti inatokana wapi...
Kwa mfano reli ya Tz inajengwa ikitarajiwa kusafirisha kati ya 17-20 tonnes pa wakati ya kenya inatarajiwa kusafitisha 22million-35 million tonnes pa.

Reli yetu inajengwa Juujuu ya ardhi urefu wa 6.6meters above ground , hii inatumua pesa nyingi zaidi lakini haitawahi kupatwa na shida kama mafuriko... Reli ya Tz inajengwa 0.6meters abobe ground kama ile reli ya mkoloni..

Pesa hizo hizo tulizotumia kujenga SGR ndo zimetumika kujenga ICD ya Nairobi na pia ya Naivasha na ya Kisumu... ICD ya Nairobi ina uwezo wa kuchukua Contena 480,000! kila mwaka! Hio icd pekee iligharimu mihela, just for comparison bandari la dar lina uwezo wa 1 million TEU s containers kumaanisha hiyo icd ya Nairobi ni pekee ni nusu ya bandari lenu kuu la Dar..just imajin! Najua hata nyinyi mtajenga icd lakini katakua kadogo compaited icd za kenya...
Alafu bado hata hatujaona stesheni zenu zinakaa vipi manake ukangalia zile atesheni za kenya msa-Nai utaona zigharamu between $250m upto $350 of the cost

 

[Kafrican]

Kwa taarifa yako Tanzania budget ya elimu ya primary mpaka ordinary level secondary serikali inatoa billion 40 kila mwezi sasa piga kwa mwaka then jumlisha advance level pamoja na colleges and higher education.

Kuhusu afya last year ilikua 30 billion for only drugs and medical equipments saivi ni 220 billion sasa nenda convert na bado kwenye Huduma za afya Kenya hamleti pua yenu Tanzania we are way far

Wacha kunichanganya nipatie bajeti nzima ya wizara ya elimu Okies na link, hazitapita $600m na ikizidi ya mwaka huu mwisho itakua $800m ...
Wakati kenya mwaka uliopita ilikua $2B yani zaidi ya mara dufu!