Kambalanick
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Kenya has soooo many engineers, our board has just refused to sign them up...so the data available may be misleading on the clarity of the numbers of the personnel.
Tanzanian engineers shine in EAC region
Tanzanian engineers shine in EAC region
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Geza Ulole
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anashangilia manamba kama kawaida ya wakenya!
Kafrican
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the problem of fewer registered engineers in kenya is a kenyan problem, not because there are few engineers in Kenya but because of problems to do with EBK, they are too stiff for reasons unknown, they act as if we in europe when we in kenya... apparently they have rejected more engineers than they have accepted, ... But once ERB problems are solved then alot more engineers would be properly registered
http://www.nation.co.ke/news/Educat...a-Universities/1056-2798314-u8tfot/index.html
anyway, mi nilifikiri nikija hapa nitaona Tz engineers have won achievments in some innovation, or they have been ranked high in skill... kumbe mnatuambia tu ni wengi waliosajiliwa???? po! haya shinini basi
http://www.nation.co.ke/news/Educat...a-Universities/1056-2798314-u8tfot/index.html
anyway, mi nilifikiri nikija hapa nitaona Tz engineers have won achievments in some innovation, or they have been ranked high in skill... kumbe mnatuambia tu ni wengi waliosajiliwa???? po! haya shinini basi
evart
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Aibu aibu so sad
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Kubali umepigwa ,Magumashi ndio wanajenga reli, barabara,madaraja,interchange,miradi mabwawa ya umeme 😁😁
Opportunity Cost
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Leta Takwimu sio meno yako
Opportunity Cost
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Universities ndio Takwimu za engineers? Unaweza kuwa na vyuo vingi kwenye zozi tofauti na uhandisi
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Ubunifu bila pesa,we jamaa vipi?
NairobiWalker
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So what's here to shine about? 😂😂😂 Shining is achieving something, what have you shone at here?🤣🤣
Let me repeat:-
You call yourself an engineer and don't understand why?
Tz registration of engineers is simplistic. As long as you have the degree, you are registered.
In Kenya, you have to work under a registered engineer in the same field for a minimum of three years, write a report, apply for an interview, pass the interview before you're registered hence the numbers seem more in Tz but skilled engineers are more in Kenya. To cut the story short, most engineers in Kenya are unregistered by the EBK. Stop being stupid. That's the reason your country is still sourcing Kenyan engineers despite your supposed 'superior numbers'
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Ndahani
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Excuses.. shauri zako
Omary - Msamalia
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Tanzania ukimaliza chuo Unatakiwa Kujisajili kuwa Graduate Engineer.
Utatatika kufanya kazi si chini ya Miaka 3 na kuwa supervised na Professional Engineer ndio uwe Engineer kamili.
The other thing that is very obvious, ni ubora wa Elimu wa inayomuandaa Engineer Kwenye hizi nchi mbili.
Kenya wanasoma hadi form 4 halafu wanasoma chuo miaka 4, kiwango hiki cha kusoma ni muda mfupi sana na kinampa uwezo mdogo sana mwanafunzi.
Tanzania ili uwe Engineer lazima uwe umewahi kusoma Advanced Level au Diploma.
Advanced Level utatakiwa kuwa umesoma Advanced Physics (All Theoretical physics, kwenye Tanzania hatuna Astronomical physics pekee kwenye mtaala wetu) na unatakiwa uwe umesoma Pure Mathematics (Hii ni tofauti na applied/Engineering Mathematics).
Kwa Diploma lazima usome Physics (Huku inakuwa ni Applied Physics kwa sababu chuo watu hawasomi masomo wanasoma Modules) na Applied/Engineering Mathematics.
Ila Ukienda Kenya Wanasoma Applied Physics au Mathematics only wakiwa chuo kikuu, hivyo inawafanya wanafunzi wake kukosa Conceptual Understanding iliyokamili kuhusu Fani husika.
Practical training.
Tanzania Wahandisi wanafunzi wanapata ujuzi kutoka kwenye Miradi tofauti tofauti ambayo technolojia yake ni Mpya Africa na Duniani
Mfano engineer , atajifunza namna Reli za Umeme (SGR) inavojengwa, Madaraja Makubwa ya Baharini na Mitoni na Maziwani,
Wapo wataenda kwenye kujifunza Reli za MGR, Namna Mabwawa Makubwa ya Umeme kama JNHPP au Rusumo yanavojengwa, Namna Mabarabara ya Kisasa kabisa yanavojengwa.
Tofauti na Kenya ambapo wengi huwa wanaona ujenzi wa vijengo vya ghorofa moja, mbili ambazo kila wiki yanaaunguka, ukifika eneo la ujenzi kenya utakuta mafundi uchundo, na hata ubora wa ujenzi hauzingatiwi kabisa.
Hoshea
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Boss hapa unatwanga maji kwa kinu, unaelewesha kichaa.
NairobiWalker
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First of all, if you have to include facts in your write-up, at least get them right. In Kenya, Engineering courses take 5 years not 4 years. The first year is where you study Advanced calculus, engineering Mathematics, Physics, Chemistry, Computer Science and some social sciences.
Secondly, the total number of years taken for an engineering student in Kenya and Tanzania is the same. In Kenya, its 8-4-5 (Primary, Secondary, University) a total of 17 years. In Tanzania it's 7-6-4, again a total of 17 years hence your analogy on the number of years is crap - just like most things posted by Tanzanians here. 🚮 🚮
Thirdly, It's stupid and simplistic to judge the quality of education by the number of years spent in school. In England, it takes 3 years to complete an Engineering degree and a total of 16 years from primary to university. So are you going to claim Tanzania's education is superior to England's because you take longer? Are you trying to say UDSM graduates better engineers than Oxford? 🚮 🚮
Fourth, your conclusion is that Tanzania's education is superior to Kenya's yet the monied in Tanzania bring their kids to learn in Kenya while international schools and aristocratic private schools in Tanzania seek to hire Kenyan teachers. Why would rich people in Tanzania leave better education in Tanzania to come to inferior education in Kenya? Don't you think you're stupid?
Now, back to Engineering. I know the process is the same in Kenya as it is in Tanzania (You immediately register as a graduate engineer then after 3 years under a professional engineer, you qualified to register as a Professional Engineer) - the difference is the rigor of the process. Kenya's process is way more rigorous hence fewer Graduate Engineers in Kenya manage to register as professional engineers hence we have fewer records of engineers in Kenya. Meanwhile in Tanzania, more engineers are registered. For instance, I graduated sometime back over 6 years ago, our class had 140 students, Currently, I am in the process of writing my report for registration. If successful, I will be among the first ones from our class to register. Less than 6 individuals from my class are registered so far. Meanwhile, our class had a Tanzanian who moved back to Tanzania after graduation, he got registered exactly 3 years after our graduation - before anyone from our class registered. You get the gist now?
On practical training - Which construction technology are you using that hasn't been used in Kenya? Currently, we are doing the expressway, we did skyscrapers long before Tanzanians knew what a skyscraper is. Your first skyscraper was done in 2011 (PSPF Golden Jubilee Tower), our first skyscraper started in 1969 and completed in 1973(KICC), you built your first overpass 4 years ago, we have been having them since 1970s, we have geothermal energy and are even exporting engineers to build Ethiopia one, you don't, we have several wind farms while you are trying to build your first, we have had vehicle assembly plants long before you, we had a refinery thats now defunct - you have none, the pipeline you're planning to build, we have had it for over 50 years, we are leading in Africa in tech hubs, you have been using our radar for years now, we did the SGR before you so who between us can teach the other about new engineering technologies? First of all are you an engineer? Because only a non-engineer would mention something like 'ELECTRIC SGR', there is nothing like electric SGR. You sound like the rest of empty headed noisemakers in this forum na ushabiki wao. An SGR is an SGR, the electric part is the locomotive which can be installed on any SGR. This is not a maglev which has electricity running in the rail to form a magnetic field that floats the train on the rail. Stop trying to sound professional if you are not a professional and if you are, then Tanzania has some very shitty engineers. The technology used in construction of Tanzania's SGR is exactly the same as one used in Kenya's other than the welding and bolting part (which is very basic btw) and we did it long before you so I wonder what new technology you are talking about. Don't be like the ichoboys and Joto la jiwes and eliakeems who just argue for the sake of it.
Talking of ghorofas, everybody knows Nairobi has way more skyscrapers than Dar (ama unataka tuzilist) and outside Dar, there are no skyscrapers in Tanzania while Kenya has some outside Nairobi. About buildings collapsing - all buildings that have collapsed in Nairobi are ghetto buildings that definitely were done by quacks due to corruption (You are lucky your ghettos have no storied buildings). Meanwhile, in Tanzania, you have collapsed buildings right in the middle of the CBD that were definitely done by engineers. What does that say about your engineers?
Lastly, I have seen many major projects in Tanzania seeking the consultancy of Kenyan engineering and architect professionals (e.g Mwanza Airport, TPA Tower, Tanzanian Parliament, Fumba Town) yet I am yet to see a major Kenyan project done in Kenya that employed Tanzanian professionals so what is this superiority you talk of?
End of rant.
Geza Ulole
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Where is Kilimanjaro Christian medical university college ?
Where is Daressalaam institute of Technology?
Even in Tanzania they had factories long time ago refers to General tyres , Japanese matsushita , Sweden Scania to name the few while Kenya they didn’t have