The Atheists Paradox

[descarte]

Nope that is not true, you can even die while in your mother's stomach.

i mentioned human being,I never said Foetus or Zygote. try to differentiate between human being and foetus,they are not the same. that is why i say you gonna have a serious linguistic problem.

 

[Ishmael]

Give me an example of moral value which you think is the ontologically objective

So, you have no idea what are moral values? Am I correct?

 

[Ishmael]

My moral argument is the evidence of existence of God. Refute if you can.

Moral argument can never be the evidence of the existence of supreme being. We do not have moral objective in the sense you are arguing. Our moral beliefs can be explained in naturalistic account. This means that the environment we are born have great impact on our values.
Anyway can you give me an example of any moral value which you consider ontologically objective?

Do you see the contradictions between your own posts? Obviously, you can't prove your non theist belief. You can't even provide arguments or evidence to justify your belief. Moral Truth / Apprehension of Objective moral truth. Is rape really wrong or just an illusion? Is rape just a natural chemical byproduct caused by electrochemical activity (non theism) – or an act of will.

 

[descarte]

So, you have no idea what are moral values? Am I correct?

i said giving me the example of Moral value which you think it is objective to all people

 

[Ishmael]

I am not arguing in favor of theistic or atheistic view, what i put across is that both views cannot give the evidence of either god exists or not. You argument does not hold water in whatever sense. In short the argument is full of ad hominem nothing else.

The what are you defending? I gave you massive evidence of existence of God, you gave me empty denials. You keep piling up questions and objections, then dance, spin and deflect when answered substantively and proven wrong. You refuse to answer anything I ask or hold yourself accountable.

Contingency – God is the best and sole explanation for why something exists contingently rather than nothing "nihillo ex nihilo or nihilism". Something cannot begin from nothing without a cause. Therefore, Something necessarily self-exists, inter-alia, self-existence is logically necessary. A Universe from Self –creation is logically impossible. Our Universe began to exist. Our Universe is not self-existent. Our Universe requires a causally antecedent agency to explain it’s existence. God does not – God has no beginning, but self-exists as prime.

Refute my argument with evidence and not empty denials.

 

[Ishmael]

Of course a human being die when he or she is born, denial of that causing a serious problem of language.

[h=2]Now where uses phrases "human" or "human being"[/h]

1. Uses "man, woman, child, son, daughter, baby etc."
2. Since these terms are used for unborn children, then we have evidence that human life is present before birth
3. The Bible makes no distinction of any kind in the terms used to describe a fetus.
4. Body without spirit is dead: Jas 2:26
5. The blood is the life: Deut 12:23 fetus has bloodstream at 4 weeks

[h=1]Is The Life In The Womb A Human Individual?[/h]

 

[Ishmael]

I think you have not answered the question what is good? and what is evil You do not need to dodge the question. Can you answer please?

Let me ask you this: Is raping a child (a) good (b) evil (c) bad

 

[Ishmael]

i said giving me the example of Moral value which you think it is objective to all people

Your question is unintelligible gibberish.

 

[descarte]

The what are you defending? I gave you massive evidence of existence of God, you gave me empty denials. You keep piling up questions and objections, then dance, spin and deflect when answered substantively and proven wrong. You refuse to answer anything I ask or hold yourself accountable.

Contingency – God is the best and sole explanation for why something exists contingently rather than nothing "nihillo ex nihilo or nihilism". Something cannot begin from nothing without a cause. Therefore, Something necessarily self-exists, inter-alia, self-existence is logically necessary. A Universe from Self –creation is logically impossible. Our Universe began to exist. Our Universe is not self-existent. Our Universe requires a causally antecedent agency to explain it’s existence. God does not – God has no beginning, but self-exists as prime.

Refute my argument with evidence and not empty denials.

you just bring many things which i do not wanna go through them. but the issue of causality is merely your category.

 

[descarte]

Let me ask you this: Is raping a child (a) good (b) evil (c) bad

anyway in philosophy. you do not answer question by question

 

[descarte]

[h=2]Now where uses phrases "human" or "human being"[/h]

1. Uses "man, woman, child, son, daughter, baby etc."
2. Since these terms are used for unborn children, then we have evidence that human life is present before birth
3. The Bible makes no distinction of any kind in the terms used to describe a fetus.
4. Body without spirit is dead: Jas 2:26
5. The blood is the life: Deut 12:23 fetus has bloodstream at 4 weeks

[h=1]Is The Life In The Womb A Human Individual?[/h]

This is just rubbish you even quote the bible which is full of fallacies and ignorant people

 

[Ishmael]

This is just rubbish you even quote the bible which is full of fallacies and ignorant people

Dumb people will say exactly like what you construed above. Do you support murder? Is abortion legal and okay to you?

 

[Ishmael]

anyway in philosophy. you do not answer question by question

Why are you scared of answering my questions? Let me repeat my questinon one more time: Is raping a child (a) good (b) evil (c) bad

 

[Ishmael]

you just bring many things which i do not wanna go through them. but the issue of causality is merely your category.

Those are evidences of God's existence, if you have the ability to refute them and ready to suffer intellectual defeat, please do so.

 

[descarte]

Dumb people will say exactly like what you construed above. Do you support murder? Is abortion legal and okay to you?

You man it seems you do not know even science.That will be another topic,but my stand on abortion is different from yours.
As far abortion is concerned women have the right to control their body and government lacks legitimacy of coercing its citizen on that issue.

 

[Ishmael]

That will be another topic,but my stand on abortion is different from yours

Are you pro abortion?

 

[descarte]

Those are evidences of God's existence, if you have the ability to refute them and ready to suffer intellectual defeat, please do so.

i have refuted it, it seems you do not get it. you first premise in your argument is not correct. if you based your conclusion on wrong premises then the conclusion will be false you. This is the way deductive argument goes. Anyway, in whatever the case one cannot hold that moral objectivity exists because of the supreme being,that proposition is wrong because there is presumption.
In fact you cannot take that statement to be right because you have not verified if it is impossible for Human beings to have objective morality without considering God. It is just a wrong claim that is why many moral philosophers deny the connection of supreme being and moral values.

 

[descarte]

The what are you defending? I gave you massive evidence of existence of God, you gave me empty denials. You keep piling up questions and objections, then dance, spin and deflect when answered substantively and proven wrong. You refuse to answer anything I ask or hold yourself accountable.

Contingency – God is the best and sole explanation for why something exists contingently rather than nothing "nihillo ex nihilo or nihilism". Something cannot begin from nothing without a cause. Therefore, Something necessarily self-exists, inter-alia, self-existence is logically necessary. A Universe from Self –creation is logically impossible. Our Universe began to exist. Our Universe is not self-existent. Our Universe requires a causally antecedent agency to explain it’s existence. God does not – God has no beginning, but self-exists as prime.

Refute my argument with evidence and not empty denials.

i have refuted it, it seems you do not get it. you first premise in your argument is not correct. if you based your conclusion on wrong premises then the conclusion will be false you. This is the way deductive argument goes. Anyway, in whatever the case one cannot hold that moral objectivity exists because of the supreme being,that proposition is wrong because there is presumption.
In fact you cannot take that statement to be right because you have not verified if it is impossible for Human beings to have objective morality without considering God. It is just a wrong claim that is why many moral philosophers deny the connection of supreme being and moral values.

 

[Ishmael]

i have refuted it, it seems you do not get it. you first premise in your argument is not correct. if you based your conclusion on wrong premises then the conclusion will be false you. This is the way deductive argument goes. Anyway, in whatever the case one cannot hold that moral objectivity exists because of the supreme being,that proposition is wrong because there is presumption.
In fact you cannot take that statement to be right because you have not verified if it is impossible for Human beings to have objective morality without considering God. It is just a wrong claim that is why many moral philosophers deny the connection of supreme being and moral values.

You did not refute but denied my argument without annexing the reasons for your denials.
There is no actual purpose or meaning to life if God doesn't exist.
There is no moral truth or duties unless God exists. Nothing is actually right or wrong if God doesn't exist.
Objective moral values and duties ( Is child rape actually wrong - or good for the child rapist?)

 

[Ishmael]

anyway in philosophy. you do not answer question by question

Philosophy is the study of general and fundamental problems, such as those connected with existence, knowledge, values, reason and mind....

Philosophy brings theories , Experimentation either confirms or or rejects these theories..That is why I said you cannot build upon anything that has no foundation in reason. That is why part of it is finding questions to an answer, you wont get it.