The rise and fall of Colonel Muamar Gadaffi

Nicholas Sarkozy and David cameroon visit Libya for the first time since the collapse of the Ghadafi's regime

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Nicholas Sarkozy and David cameroon visit Libya for the first time since the collapse of the Ghadafi's regime

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Mkuu unajua kwa nini walifanya visit ya ghafla? duru za kijeshi zinaeleza kuwa hali ilikuwa mbaya kwa Wahuni wa Bengharz, tangu walipoanza kuichokoza Ban Walid, maana majeshi ya Libya chini ya rais M.Gaddaf yalikuwa yanakaribia kuiteka Tripol, sasa ili kunusuru NaTo na aibu, ililazimika waje haraka Tripol lengo likiwa "cover up" ya makomandoo wa nchi za NaTo kuingilia kati mkakati wa serkali ya Libya kutimua wezi wa rasilimali za Waafrika wa Libya.

UN approves Libya seat for former rebels

By EDITH M. LEDERER
Associated Press
Sep 16, 1:23 PM EDT

UNITED NATIONS (AP) -- The U.N. General Assembly voted Friday to give Libya's seat in the world body to the former rebels' National Transitional Council which led the rebellion that ousted Moammar Gadhafi. The vote means that a senior council official will be able to join world leaders and speak for Libya at next week's ministerial session of the General Assembly and also participate in meetings.

The resolution was approved Friday by a vote of 114-17 with 15 abstentions, revealing divisions in Africa and Latin America over who should represent Libya. The General Assembly's credentials committee had unanimously recommended that the former rebels be seated. It's chairman, Panama's U.N. Ambassador Pablo Antonio Thalassinos, said Mustafa Abdul-Jalil, who heads the National Transitional Council, had sent a letter seeking to take over Libya's seat.

The committee's recommendation faced opposition from a left-leaning Latin America trade group ALBA whose membership includes Venezuela, Nicaragua and Cuba among others. Venezuela's U.N. Ambassador Jorge Valero, speaking on behalf of the group, accused NATO forces of carrying out "criminal air raids ... in order to install a puppet government" and said seating the council "would represent an abominable precedent that would violate the most elementary principles of international law."

Southern Africa's main regional bloc opposed giving the National Transitional Council credentials immediately, but it failed to win support to defer a vote.

Angola's U.N. Ambassador Ismael Gaspar Martins, speaking on behalf of the Southern African group know as SADC, appealed for the delay saying that while the National Transitional Council "is in control of Libya, it is not the government in Libya, interim or otherwise."

But Gaspar Martins' motion to defer a vote on the resolution to give credentials to the National Transitional Council was defeated. The vote was 22 in favor of a deferral, 107 against and 12 abstentions.

NTC wanapata seat UN - kirahisi kabisa. Lakini Palestina kwa miaka zaidi ya 50 sasa wanakataliwa seat. Hivi hii UN ipo kwa ajili ya nani? Na hawa Arab League ni wa hovyo kabisa. Kwa nini walikuwa wa kwanza kuomba msaada wa NATO huko Libya lakini wanawaacha Palestina kwenye ukoloni wa Israel?

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NTC wanapata seat UN - kirahisi kabisa. Lakini Palestina kwa miaka zaidi ya 50 sasa wanakataliwa seat. Hivi hii UN ipo kwa ajili ya nani? Na hawa Arab League ni wa hovyo kabisa. Kwa nini walikuwa wa kwanza kuomba msaada wa NATO huko Libya lakini wanawaacha Palestina kwenye ukoloni wa Israel?

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Palestina sio nchi na haitokuwa nchi. Palestina ni kama ilivyo Mbagala ndani ya Dar

Africa tumepigwa ngwala!

UN resolution would create UN mission in Libya
By EDITH M. LEDERER - Associated Press | AP – Wed, Sep 14, 2011

UNITED NATIONS (AP) - The Security Council is considering a new resolution that would establish a U.N. mission in Libya, unfreeze assets of two major oil companies and lift a ban on flights by Libyan aircraft, according to a copy obtained Wednesday by The Associated Press.

Britain circulated the draft resolution to the 15-member council Tuesday night and Western diplomats said they are hoping for a vote by the end of the week. Diplomats said the U.S. and France were involved in the drafting, and veto-wielding Russia and China agreed to the draft.

The proposed resolution would modify the arms embargo imposed on Moammar Gadhafi's regime to allow the rebel movement now controlling the country to buy arms "intended solely for security or disarmament assistance." It would also allow small arms, light weapons and related materiel into the country to protect U.N., humanitarian and diplomatic personnel.

Under the proposed draft, the no fly zone imposed in March after Gadhafi launched his crackdown on regime opponents would remain in place but be kept under review.

The ban on all flights by aircraft registered in Libya, or owned or operated by Libyan companies or Libyan citizens, would be lifted.

The draft resolution would also lift the asset freeze on the Libyan National Oil Corporation and Zueitina Oil Company and modify the asset freeze on the Central Bank of Libya, the Libyan Foreign Bank, the Libyan Investment Authority and the Libyan Africa Investment Portfolio. But it would retain the asset freeze and travel ban against Gadhafi and key family members and regime supporters.

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Palestina sio nchi na haitokuwa nchi. Palestina ni kama ilivyo Mbagala ndani ya Dar

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Hakuna nchi yeyote yenye haki ya kuiamulia nchi nyingine. Palestina kama zilivyokuwa nchi za Africa bado ni koloni. Kwa mtu kusema Palestina sio nchi ni sawa na waliokuwa wanasema Tanganyika (before 1961) kwamba sio nchi bali ni part of her His/Her Majestic Empire!
Kama ambavyo Israel wana haki ya kuwa 'State' basi Wa-Palestina wanayo haki hiyo hiyo. Kinyume na hapo ni ukiukwaji mkubwa wa haki za binadamu and the UN must walk the talk.

Nadhani MUNGU aje atoe haki hapa Duniani else bora ije vita kati ya Russia na Ulaya ili Dunia ianze upya manake haya mambo yanatia kinyaa kabisaaa...ni ujinga na ujuha uliopitiliza ile sio UN ni mbwa ya US and EU...wengine hawana sauti pale that is nonsense...AFRIKA LAZIMA IANZE KUPIGANIA UHURU WAKE UPYA...

Somoche said:

Nadhani MUNGU aje atoe haki hapa Duniani else bora ije vita kati ya Russia na Ulaya ili Dunia ianze upya manake haya mambo yanatia kinyaa kabisaaa...ni ujinga na ujuha uliopitiliza ile sio UN ni mbwa ya US and EU...wengine hawana sauti pale that is nonsense...AFRIKA LAZIMA IANZE KUPIGANIA UHURU WAKE UPYA...

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NDUGU UMENENA UKWELI LKN AFRICA HATUWEZI.hata tufanyaje sisi kuongoza dunia ni mpaka mungu atusaidie maana yake hata umeme hapa shida itakuwa uhuru wetu.

The might is right... Justice is the interest of the might! AU just give up n recognize the NTC!

Nonda said:

Kama umefahamu kitu hapo juu, sasa soma na hii Libya's NTC says no Tripoli move until liberation | News by Country | Reuters


NTC ya Benghazi inasema Libya bado haijawa "liberated" kwa hiyo bado hawawezi kuhamia Tripoli.

Hivi "no fly zone" imekwisha? Naona majambazi( waanzilishi wa uasi wa Libya) yanapanga kuingia Libya au wanasafiri kwa gari?
https://www.jamiiforums.com/international-forum/172764-sarkozy-off-to-libya.html

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MpigaKelele said:

Mkuu unajua kwa nini walifanya visit ya ghafla? duru za kijeshi zinaeleza kuwa hali ilikuwa mbaya kwa Wahuni wa Bengharz, tangu walipoanza kuichokoza Ban Walid, maana majeshi ya Libya chini ya rais M.Gaddaf yalikuwa yanakaribia kuiteka Tripol, sasa ili kunusuru NaTo na aibu, ililazimika waje haraka Tripol lengo likiwa "cover up" ya makomandoo wa nchi za NaTo kuingilia kati mkakati wa serkali ya Libya kutimua wezi wa rasilimali za Waafrika wa Libya.

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Hata mimi niliifikiria sana hii move ya Sarkozy na cammeroon ya kwenda Libya wakati vita bado inaendelea na huku Jalil akilalama kuwa Gaddafi anapanga counter attack.

Niwazi kuwa ili "majambazi haya mawili" kuingia libya lazima watume boots on the ground ili kuhakikisha usalama wao. Kwa hiyo, inawezekana kabisa walitumia mwanya huo kuingiza jeshi la kuwasaidia "waasi".

Kuna moves nyingi hawa west wanafanya kuziba uwezekano wa Gaddafi kudai legitimacy back. Tokea recognition ya waasi, na sasa kuwapatia kiti cha libya UN hata kama bado si serikali. Hapa ndio unaona UN pia ni tool ya US-West.

Kuna members wa SADC wametoa hoja nzito huko UN kuwa rebels wasipewe kiti kwa sababu bado si enterim gvt wala gvt ya Libya.

Iko hivi:
The committee's recommendation faced opposition from a left-leaning Latin America trade group ALBA whose membership includes Venezuela, Nicaragua and Cuba among others. Venezuela's U.N. Ambassador Jorge Valero, speaking on behalf of the group, accused NATO forces of carrying out "criminal air raids ... in order to install a puppet government" and said seating the council "would represent an abominable precedent that would violate the most elementary principles of international law."

Southern Africa's main regional bloc opposed giving the National Transitional Council credentials immediately, but it failed to win support to defer a vote.

Angola's U.N. Ambassador Ismael Gaspar Martins, speaking on behalf of the Southern African group know as SADC, appealed for the delay saying that while the National Transitional Council "is in control of Libya, it is not the government in Libya, interim or otherwise."

But Gaspar Martins' motion to defer a vote on the resolution to give credentials to the National Transitional Council was defeated. The vote was 22 in favor of a deferral, 107 against and 12 abstentions
https://www.jamiiforums.com/international-forum/173509-un-wawapa-kiti-waasi-wa-libya.html

Hii comment ipo hapa RAF Bombs Bani Walid - YouTube

LIBYA FREE NETWORK NEWSFLASH:
"In the city of Ghadames the Libyan armed forces and volunteers of the tribes have arrested an officer of Royal Air Force (RAF) (Special Forces) pilot JUSTIN MARROW . He was dropped by stealth helicopter with Rats&#65279; to prepare forward position for NATO MIlitias and commandos of NATO to invade the airport of Ghadames. One named agent of NATO in our hands. post it everywhere so we expose the rats and NATO. Death to the New World Order!"

Muammar Gaddafi loyalists have inflicted heavy losses on fighters of Libya's new rulers in Bani Walid and are prepared for a long fight, a spokesman for Gaddafi said on Friday in audio comments broadcast on a Syria-based television station.
"The battle is far from over," Moussa Ibrahim told Arrai television. "We have prepared ourselves for a long war. We have the equipment and the weapons," he said.

Many anti-Gaddafi fighters were killed or captured in Bani Walid, he said, without giving precise figures.

Gaddafi loyalists in Bani Walid forced them to retreat under barrages of rockets and mortars, while in Gaddafi's home town of Sirte on the coast, National Transitional Council forces closed in on pockets of resistance scattered across the city.

"We assure everybody that the Sirte and Bani Walid fronts are strong, despite the heavy, unbelievable and merciless NATO bombardment on hospitals, families and schools," he said.

Ibrahim said rebel fighters had killed women and children in Bani Walid and Sirte. "Families are now being killed every day in Bani Walid, Sirte Sabha and Jafra," he said, adding that he had called international journalists to come and see the victims, but they refused to come.
UPDATE 1-Gaddafi loyalists say inflict heavy casualties on foes | News by Country | Reuters

Ukiangalia vizuri sana utaona jinsi haya MAMBWA yanavyokimbilia Libya kwa wale vilaza wao ili waingie mikataba sasa wavune..ona haraka ****** Sakozy na ****** Comoron tena jana lile jinga la Uturuki yote haya yanataka kuiba tu ni MAMBWA yaliyozoea ubwete na Magaidi wa US nao wako hapo kama mapaka shume yote yanafuatilia mafuta ya Libya natoa wito kwa Waafrika twende tukamsaidie GHADAFF kupigania Afrika hii ni aibu sana wakoloni wanavamia Afrika leo wanagawana mali zetu!!! DEATH TO EU

Vita haijaisha. Lakini waandishi wengi wa makala huwa wanaandika kutokana na eurosentric view point ya dunia.

Kuna haka kasehemu kana ukweli ndani yake, kama US-NATO watafanikiwa katika move hii ya Libya. Huyu mwandishi ana haya ya kusema.

As it stands, the remnants of the old regime and the Western powers are desperate to exclude the great majority from decisions about their country's development. Italian Foreign Minister Franco Frattini is already boasting that his country's largest oil and gas company Eni "will have a No. 1 role in the future" of Libya. World leaders are gathering in Paris to discuss reconstruction and France and Britain are eager to join Italy in determining Libya's future. There are reports of a deal with the Transitional National Council that gives France access to a third of Libya's oil. If Frattini is right, the substance of power will remain in the hands of the few. Western governments and oil companies do not want to see an outbreak of social democracy in an oil-rich Arab country, and they will do what they can to prevent it.

Outright tyranny is no longer possible, perhaps, but there are ways of ensuring that elected politicians don't overstep the mark.

Libya: Like Norway, but warmer - Opinion - Al Jazeera English

Rebel wamechezea kichapo toka kwa askari wa Gaddafi na kuamua kuiachia mji wa Sirte alikozaliwa Mkuu mwenyewe Gaddafi
ambulance zilionekana zikibeba rebel waliouawa na waliojeruhiwa kwa wingi mno
nilitabiri vita ya libya itachukua miaka kumalizika
utabiri wangu mwingine Gaddafi atapigana na kuchukua tena madaraka
utabiri mwingine rebel wataenda tena kujipanga na watapigana tena na watachukua madaraka
kwa ujumla Libya haitakaa irudi kwenye amani yake ya mwanzo

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Rebel wamechezea kichapo toka kwa askari wa Gaddafi na kuamua kuiachia mji wa Sirte alikozaliwa Mkuu mwenyewe Gaddafi
ambulance zilionekana zikibeba rebel waliouawa na waliojeruhiwa kwa wingi mno
nilitabiri vita ya libya itachukua miaka kumalizika
utabiri wangu mwingine Gaddafi atapigana na kuchukua tena madaraka
utabiri mwingine rebel wataenda tena kujipanga na watapigana tena na watachukua madaraka
kwa ujumla Libya haitakaa irudi kwenye amani yake ya mwanzo

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Na the best worst result inaweza kuwa libya kugawanyika kuwa nchi mbili au hata tatu. Bila hivyo kama ulivyosema itawachukua miaka mingi kuwa stable. Na hiyo instability ndiyo itawafaanya makampuni ya mafuta ya kigeni kupata mikataba kama ile ya tanzania kwenye madini. .......

Mtazamaji said:

Na the best worst result inaweza kuwa libya kugawnayika uwa nchi mbili auhata tatu. Bila hivyo kama ulivyosema itawachukua miaka mingi kuwa stable. Na hiyo instability ndiyo itawaafnya makampuni ya mafuta ya kigeni kupata mikataba kama ile ya tanania kwenye madini. .......

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nafikiri hao wezi wazungu walishapiga hesabu na kuiona hiyo,lakini walibya hawajashtukia hilo,kazi kwao

Mtazamaji said:

Na the best worst result inaweza kuwa libya kugawnayika uwa nchi mbili auhata tatu. Bila hivyo kama ulivyosema itawachukua miaka mingi kuwa stable. Na hiyo instability ndiyo itawaafnya makampuni ya mafuta ya kigeni kupata mikataba kama ile ya tanania kwenye madini. .......

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Hapo kwenye red sijaelewa, au unatumia miguu kutype?