The so called 'GOD' from religions

The so called 'GOD' from religions

Mish Albert said:
How can you use natural logic to deny the existence of super-natural realm?



Wow,I Love it
Let me use your statement above as my central tenet
If the outsider can't influence the insider,then why we are here?
what I mean is that,if there is nothing outside the universe,and yet the universe had a beginning
so which caused the universe to exist if nothing was outside?
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Now here you are, this is a question i was waiting for,Well,'nothing comes from no where',yes,The use of the word 'nothing' has a very special meaning in this context, unlike our every day use of the word. It means here quite literally nothing, the complete absence of everything. By definition then nothing must be an infinite void. If nothing exists it would HAVE to be infinite.This is a result of it not being allowed any boundaries, as a boundary would place a limit on nothing's size and furthermore would also indicate that there was something existing on the 'other ' side of the boundary, apart from the boundary itself existing.

This would be contrary to our definition of both infinite and of nothing.This also, it should be noted, excludes anything existing in any other dimension, or dimensions, as a dimension would then be a boundary. Nothing then, when described asan infinite void, excludes all possibility of anything else existing, anywhere.
 
Arduino Sentinel said:
Now here you are, this is a question i was waiting for,Well,'nothing comes from no where',yes,The use of the word 'nothing' has a very special meaning in this context, unlike our every day use of the word. It means here quite literally nothing, the complete absence of everything. By definition then nothing must be an infinite void. If nothing exists it would HAVE to be infinite.This is a result of it not being allowed any boundaries, as a boundary would place a limit on nothing's size and furthermore would also indicate that there was something existing on the 'other ' side of the boundary, apart from the boundary itself existing.This would be contrary to our definition of both infinite and of nothing
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Kiongozi,let me re-ask you in this way
In your frame of reference,which theory is best candidate for explanation of Universe's orgin?
Big bang Theory or special creation,and if is BBT then why?
 
PTER said:
I always challenge the holy scriptures but not the existence of God, any way knowledge speaks wisdom listens. it is not bad to sit at the far end corner and watch the game. quite interesting topic but stupidly raised.
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And this god that you do not challenge where did you learn about him/her/it??
 
mshana jr said:
Dearth is just a process of dwelling the soul into another realm in the vast galaxy, so in the matter of fact I don't fear death.. Dearth to me is another step forward to the true nature of inner me n that super energy of God-state
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Any proof??
 
Mish Albert said:
Kiongozi,let me re-ask you in this way
In your frame of reference,which theory is best candidate for explanation of Universe's orgin?
Big bang Theory or special creation,and if is BBT then why?
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Its not that i dont know what i am answering,i know, thats why my answer is like a blue print for you to answer yourself,,what do you think might have been the cause of the universe in an infinite void(nothing)?let me help you then putting the dots together,

Hawking’s core argument appears to be as follows
(1) Causes must precede their effects in time
(2) There is no time prior to the beginning of time (the origin of the universe)
(3) Therefore, the universe cannot have a cause

Extensionally he argues:

(4) Theism requires that God be the cause of the universe
(5) The universe cannot have a cause
(6) Therefore, theism is false

meanwhile,
According to Special Creation theory, all the different forms of life that occur today on planet earth, have been created by God, the almighty. This idea is found in the ancient scriptures of almost every religion. According to Hindu mythology, Lord Brahma, the God of Creation, created the living world in accordance to his wish. According to the Christian belief, God created this universe, plants, animals and human beings in about six natural days. The Sikh mythology says that all forms of life including human beings came into being with a single word of God. Special creation theory believes that the things have not undergone any significant change since their creation.

The theory of Special Creation was purely a religious concept, acceptable only on the basis of faith. It has no scientific basis.

Special Creation is a myth.

sticking with the definition of nothing,
Could nothing have existed in the past? No. If it existed in the past, then some event must have taken place to end it. An event would be impossible in nothing, so nothing could never have existed because we do, and as our universe now exists, nothing can never exist in the future either. Why could an event not happen in nothing? Because apart from the obvious that there is nothing to happen, an event would create and require a moment in time. There can be no time in nothing as relativity describes time as just another dimension.
As for Time, without it nothing must have always existed, it can not havea beginning or end because either would create a moment in time. It would in reality be meaningless to ask how long nothing has existed and how long it will continue to exist, it would be eternal and unchanging. Again, because we exist, nothing could not have had an existence because the creation of the universe would have required a significant change, thus contravening an unchanging nothing.
So far then we have discovered that by using the simple definition of nothing as being an infinite void we have placed the following conditions on it:-

(1) It must be timeless.

(2) It must have always existed and could not have been created.

(3) It is unchanging.

(4) Nothing else can exist.

(5) It is unable to create anything.

So Hawking is right?Yes!
nothing is an infinite void, nothing else can exist except for the universe that is contained within it.

So What does it mean to say the universe was always there? We believe it started with the Big Bang, but can we say the Big Bang was always there? This doesn't seem logical to me, it needed to have actually come into existence at some point, even the very term 'big bang', suggests a beginning. Let's step back a little and look at the creation of the Big Bang from the viewpoint of a 'perfect observer' in nothing. At the moment of creation what would our 'perfect observer' see? Nothing at all! The universe is self contained, nothing at all can escape from it into our nothing, our observer would notice no change whatsoever! As no detectable change at all has occurred from the viewpoint of nothing, and no change could ever be detected regarding the expanding universe, no 'real' change has occurred, (It may help here to visualise the Big Bang as an infinitely small event in the unimaginable vastness of an infinite void. In other words, a singularity, as indeed it is believed to have been.), therefore our definition of an unchanging timeless nothing is still valid. A quick (!) read of Stephen Hawking's "A Brief History of Time" you clarify my point about nothing escaping from the universe and the Big Bang starting as a singularity.
 
Unaandika sana wakati unajua Kuwa watanzania co wasomaji ila hayo mambo mengine waCatholic huwa wanaita DOGMA!


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Arduino Sentinel said:
Its not that i dont know what i am answering,i know, thats why my answer is like a blue print for you to answer yourself,,what do you think might have been the cause of the universe in an infinite void(nothing)?let me help you then putting the dots together,

Hawking’s core argument appears to be as follows
(1) Causes must precede their effects in time
(2) There is no time prior to the beginning of time (the origin of the universe)
(3) Therefore, the universe cannot have a cause

Extensionally he argues:

(4) Theism requires that God be the cause of the universe
(5) The universe cannot have a cause
(6) Therefore, theism is false

meanwhile,
According to Special Creation theory, all the different forms of life that occur today on planet earth, have been created by God, the almighty. This idea is found in the ancient scriptures of almost every religion. According to Hindu mythology, Lord Brahma, the God of Creation, created the living world in accordance to his wish. According to the Christian belief, God created this universe, plants, animals and human beings in about six natural days. The Sikh mythology says that all forms of life including human beings came into being with a single word of God. Special creation theory believes that the things have not undergone any significant change since their creation.

The theory of Special Creation was purely a religious concept, acceptable only on the basis of faith. It has no scientific basis.

Special Creation is a myth.

sticking with the definition of nothing,
Could nothing have existed in the past? No. If it existed in the past, then some event must have taken place to end it. An event would be impossible in nothing, so nothing could never have existed because we do, and as our universe now exists, nothing can never exist in the future either. Why could an event not happen in nothing? Because apart from the obvious that there is nothing to happen, an event would create and require a moment in time. There can be no time in nothing as relativity describes time as just another dimension.
As for Time, without it nothing must have always existed, it can not havea beginning or end because either would create a moment in time. It would in reality be meaningless to ask how long nothing has existed and how long it will continue to exist, it would be eternal and unchanging. Again, because we exist, nothing could not have had an existence because the creation of the universe would have required a significant change, thus contravening an unchanging nothing.
So far then we have discovered that by using the simple definition of nothing as being an infinite void we have placed the following conditions on it:-

(1) It must be timeless.

(2) It must have always existed and could not have been created.

(3) It is unchanging.

(4) Nothing else can exist.

(5) It is unable to create anything.

So Hawking is right?Yes!
nothing is an infinite void, nothing else can exist except for the universe that is contained within it.

So What does it mean to say the universe was always there? We believe it started with the Big Bang, but can we say the Big Bang was always there? This doesn't seem logical to me, it needed to have actually come into existence at some point, even the very term 'big bang', suggests a beginning. Let's step back a little and look at the creation of the Big Bang from the viewpoint of a 'perfect observer' in nothing. At the moment of creation what would our 'perfect observer' see? Nothing at all! The universe is self contained, nothing at all can escape from it into our nothing, our observer would notice no change whatsoever! As no detectable change at all has occurred from the viewpoint of nothing, and no change could ever be detected regarding the expanding universe, no 'real' change has occurred, (It may help here to visualise the Big Bang as an infinitely small event in the unimaginable vastness of an infinite void. In other words, a singularity, as indeed it is believed to have been.), therefore our definition of an unchanging timeless nothing is still valid. A quick (!) read of Stephen Hawking's "A Brief History of Time" you clarify my point about nothing escaping from the universe and the Big Bang starting as a singularity.
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Very interesting
 
Ticktock dork said:
Unaandika sana wakati unajua Kuwa watanzania co wasomaji

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Na ndo maana nikaandika kwa kingereza kabisa ili inisaidie kuchuja wavivu wakufikiri na pumba,ili hata wakitokea,wawe ni 'pumba' class 'A' sio 'Z',kumuelimisha pumba class 'A' ni rahisi zaidi
 
May the almighty living GOD forgive you for you you are unaware of your ignorance! GOD has given you that little brain yet you think more human, GOD is real existing! all the believers will see him and given another chance to live with him in heven, repent, for the end of day is coming and never let this prophecy be upon you.
TO GOD BE THE GLORY AMEN
 
Kuziwa said:
May the almighty living GOD forgive you for you you are unaware of your ignorance!
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i think you wrote this special for yourself.
GOD is real exists!
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Yes!In your thought,actually,i dont live inside your thought,keep him for youself.
all the believers will see him and given another chance to live with him in heven,
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what is heaven?i am afraid it doesnt exist in the universe,but only in some people's minds
repent, for the end of day is coming
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its already a new day,actually its 1:11am

and never let this prophecy be upon you.
TO GOD BE THE GLORY AMEN
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it wont be,you said yourself its a prophecy
 
Arduino Sentinel said:
Let me help you then.

Hawking’s core argument appears to be as follows
(1) Causes must precede their effects in time
(2) There is no time prior to the beginning of time (the origin of the universe)
(3) Therefore, the universe cannot have a cause

Extensionally he argues:

(4) Theism requires that God be the cause of the universe
(5) The universe cannot have a cause
(6) Therefore, theism is false
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Duh,kaka?

Let me scrutinize first key premise of Hawking,and you'll see why he is quite wrong
First of all,the flaw of his argument lie in premise 1
Does causation is dependent only in time?Does time cause anything to happen?absolutely No!

As you can see,time is not entailed in producing the effect,in other word,time has no place in causal-equation
Time is incidental but not essential
we can have causation without time

So absence of time before the universe,doesnot exclude the possibility that universe had a cause also.therefore the conclusion[3] is also wrong!
 
Religion is an insult to human dignity. Imagine that you were non-existence for an infinity period of time and just given this short life so as to confess that you are totally sinner and believe in a God so that after when you die you will be rewarded with an endless life in paradise! Does that make sense?
 
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