The so called 'GOD' from religions

[mwaswast]

Why are you using harsh language chief?

If insane is the one who believes in something which he[she] has never seen,then we are all insanes by definition

Quantum mechanics throws scientists into mysticism,they are forced to believe in something which is essentially invisible

Quantum physicists are believing in existence of quarks,but they have never seen them

Does that justifies their insanity?

Is Quantum mechanics nonsense because it explain unseen things?

You are not deserve to be the free thinker,you are clueless weak atheist

Beliefs are essential,even in science you need a faith

You have not answered my question

Can you prove the negative?

You have made the incoherent claim that 'beliefs divide people'

Now burden of proofs is on your shoulder,show how?

beliefes divide people logically speaking..........Christians, muslims, jews etc.......... god is just a political tool my dear.

 

[Loeb S Mpalasinge]

To be honest,I do not know why God allows existence of natural evils or disasters

Even the great man himself,Thomas aquinas failed to resolve successfully that puzzle
His answer is inadequate

Perhaps God had his own good moral reasons.

I think you have even a clue.

 

[H1N1]

Sorry,I aint male

No,you have it backward

Problem of evil can be raised by any kinda debater

Even if you are atheist,you can,for sake of argument,assume that omnibenevolent being exists

And you can use him as moral standard

Your entire question depend on what you mean by evil
Evil is any unpleasant,harm and bad thing

As you can see,the definition is absolute,it does not depend on your moral compass

Sorry for the wrong designation

If there is no moral laws that can help differentiate good from evil how on earth one can determine among the two ?
It is Evil or Good because it tampers with human intrinsic value or dignity
If we are a product of chance in space and time how to we get value ?
Evils are either done on human or said by human
Lion killing gazelle can not be accounted as evil
I do not get the logic for a non believer talking of evils and good , unless he or she can tell me the way he or she is going to differentiate them
I think to atheist there is no evil or good as human will be just dancing to the tune of music in their DNA

 

[Kiranga]

Hiyo ndiyo " default position " has ukionyeshwa mapungufu kwenye fikra zako kwa kukuonyesha hoja fyongo uzitoazo.
Kama sijaweza kutjibitisha uwepo wake ndiyo unakuwa ushahidi kwako kwamba hayupo
Mr square root of two ! Come out and think ...

Bado hujathibitisha kwamba mungu yupo.

Myngu wako hayupo sio kwa sababu wewe huwezi kumthibitisha kwamba yupo -kuna vingi ambavyo huwezi kuvithibitisha kwamba vipo, lakini vipo.

Mungu wako hayupo kwa sababu idea ya kuwapo kwake inajipinga yenyewe.

Mungu wako ana an inherrent contradiction.

Ni kama "pembetatu duara", ni dubwana linalojipinga lenyewe kwamba haliwezi kuwepo kabla hata mimi sijalipinga.

 

[H1N1]

Bado hujathibitisha kwamba mungu yupo.

Myngu wako hayupo sio kwa sababu wewe huwezi kumthibitisha kwamba yupo -kuna vingi ambavyo huwezi kuvithibitisha kwamba vipo, lakini vipo.

Mungu wako hayupo kwa sababu idea ya kuwapo kwake inajipinga yenyewe.

Mungu wako ana an inherrent contradiction.

Ni kama "pembetatu duara", ni dubwana linalojipinga lenyewe kwamba haliwezi kuwepo kabla hata mimi sijalipinga.

Hizo ni ndoto zako na ukomo wako wa fikra ndio unaokufanya uone Mungu wangu anajipinga mwenyewe.
Binadam timamu hawezi kupinga kinachopinga na kisichokuwepo.
Lakini wewe unauwezo wa kupinga kinachojipinga. Sijui nikuiteje !
Zindukana wewe unauwezo wa kuongeza namna ya kufikiri vema na kujenga hoja zenye mashiko kuliko hizo zilioendwa ulizokariri

 

[Kikwajuni One]

First thing first, prove that god exists before saying god will do this or that.

Else, what you are writing is nere tisha toto.

Kuna mtu alisema ananiombea nipatwe na mabaya ili ku prove kwamba mungu yupo.

Nikasema nampa masaa 24 mungu wake aniue, nishindwe kuja JF.

Jamaa kasepa, mpaka sasa simuoni hapa.

Mungu wenu ni wa makaratasi. Tena hana meno.

Unaposema Mungu hayupo,ndio uthibitisho kuwa Yupo,kwa sababu huwezi kutaja hayupo,ni kuwa Yupo,ndio ukaweza kusema hayupo.Huwezi kusema hayupo,ila baada ya kuwepo,huko kuwepo kwake,ndio kukufanya useme hayupo.

 

[H1N1]

Bado hujathibitisha kwamba mungu yupo.

Myngu wako hayupo sio kwa sababu wewe huwezi kumthibitisha kwamba yupo -kuna vingi ambavyo huwezi kuvithibitisha kwamba vipo, lakini vipo.

Mungu wako hayupo kwa sababu idea ya kuwapo kwake inajipinga yenyewe.

Mungu wako ana an inherrent contradiction.

Ni kama "pembetatu duara", ni dubwana linalojipinga lenyewe kwamba haliwezi kuwepo kabla hata mimi sijalipinga.

Mungu ambaye ni idea ndiye anayejipinga lakini Mungu muumbaji wa vyote vilivyoumbwa hajipingi hata kidogo.

Huyo mungu wako aliyetokana na ideas zako na wemzako hawezi kuwa ndiye Mungu wangu Mimi kwa kuwa Mungu wangu sio matokeo ya idea bali yeye ndiye msababishaji wa vyote pamoja na "mind " inayoleta "ideas"

 

[Kiranga]

Mungu ambaye ni idea ndiye anayejipinga lakini Mungu muumbaji wa vyote vilivyoumbwa hajipingi hata kidogo
Huyo mungu wako aliyetokana na ideas zako na wemzako hawezi kuwa ndiye Mungu wangu Mimi kwa kuwa Mungu wangu sio matokeo ya idea bali yeye ndiye msababishaji wa vyote pamoja na "mind " inayoleta "ideas"

Hujathibitisha kwamba kuna mungu muumbaji wa vyote nje ya idea tu.

Thibitisha.

 

[Maziku-Winston Smith]

Unaposema Mungu hayupo,ndio uthibitisho kuwa Yupo,kwa sababu huwezi kutaja hayupo,ni kuwa Yupo,ndio ukaweza kusema hayupo.Huwezi kusema hayupo,ila baada ya kuwepo,huko kuwepo kwake,ndio kukufanya useme hayupo.

Kudai kuwa kitu fulani hakipo sio uthibitisho kuwa kipo.

Kwa hiyo nikisema "farasi wenye pembe za chuma" hawapo je huo utakuwa ni uthibitisho kuwa wapo?

 

[Mish Albert]

beliefes divide people logically speaking..........Christians, muslims, jews etc.......... god is just a political tool my dear.

Is it really logically speaking?

And which kind of beliefs are you talking about?theological beliefs

Anyroad,your assertion that beliefs divide men is non sequitur

It does not show,how exactly beliefs divide people,
[Its conclusion does not follow from its premise]

The fact that,people hold the different theological beliefs does not mean beliefs have divided them

Once again,you made,out of blue,another claim that God is just political tool

This is more hilarious than the former

If God is merely a political tool,can you tell me which came first between political systems and religions?

And before rise of political systems and civilization,what was a purpose of God?

 

[Nyani Ngabu]

Kudai kuwa kitu fulani hakipo sio uthibitisho kuwa kipo.

Kwa hiyo nikisema "farasi wenye pembe za chuma" hawapo je huo utakuwa ni uthibitisho kuwa wapo?

Ukisema hivyo mi ntakuuliza umejuaje kuwa farasi wenye pembe za chuma hawapo?

 

[H1N1]

Jibu la swali lako mbona lipo katika ulichonukuu?

Nimekupa nafasi ya kuonyesha kwamba kurudi nyuma katika muda, unaweza juni prove wrong.

Ukisema sijajua kwamba miaka 100 au 1000 ijayo tutaweza kurudi nyuma katika muda hivyo kusema hatuwezi kurudi nyuma katika muda si sahihi, na mimi naweza kukwambia kwamba miaka 100 au 1000 ijayo tunaweza kugundua kwamba mungu hayupo definitively na kwa hiyo mnaosema mungu yupo mmekosea.

Huwezi kuacha kuamua kwa kutumia logic leo kwa sababu hujui kitakachotokea kesho.

Utashindwa kuamua chochote na habari yoyote ya kufikiri haitaweza kumalizwa.

Wewe jamaa ni kama mbwa MZEE hufundishiki. Huwezi kukiri udhaifu wa mawazo ukionyeshwa kwa picha kubwaaa....

 

[Mish Albert]

If there is no moral laws that can help differentiate good from evil how on earth one can determine among the two?

CC Kiranga

"It is Evil or Good because it tampers with human intrinsic value or dignity
If we are a product of chance in space and time how to we get value?"
CC Nyani Ngabu

Evils are either done on human or said by human
Lion killing gazelle can not be accounted as evil
I do not get the logic for a non believer talking of evils and good , unless he or she can tell me the way he or she is going to differentiate them
I think to atheist there is no evil or good as human will be just dancing to the tune of music in their DNA

They say,knowledge of good and evil comes naturally from our conscience

CC @Kiranga,Nyani Ngabu

 

[H1N1]

CC Kiranga

"It is Evil or Good because it tampers with human intrinsic value or dignity
If we are a product of chance in space and time how to we get value?"
CC Nyani Ngabu


They say,knowledge of good and evil comes naturally from our conscience

CC @Kiranga,Nyani Ngabu

Due to each society getting knowledge of good and evils by accident from their conscience

that could be the very reason in Kirangaz society they eat their neighbour while in nyani ngabu society they honor their neighbour

It is said that evolution of human being started in Africa
Can one volunteer telling me where the evolution of moral laws started from ?
Kiranga
Nyani Ngabu

 

[H1N1]

Hujathibitisha kwamba kuna mungu muumbaji wa vyote nje ya idea tu.

Thibitisha.

Tatizo kubwa linalokukabili ni kukariri kuwa uwepo wa jambo au kitu inategemea uwezo wa uthibitisho
Habari ya ukweli kuwa una sifa ya "exclusivity " haikai kichwani mwaka kwa kuwa hujawahi kukaririshwa kuhusu hilo.
Hata nisipothibitisha kuwepo hata kutokuwepo kwa kitu au jambo sio ushahidi kuntu kwa kuwepo au kutokuwepo kwake

 

[Kikwajuni One]

Kudai kuwa kitu fulani hakipo sio uthibitisho kuwa kipo.

Kwa hiyo nikisema "farasi wenye pembe za chuma" hawapo je huo utakuwa ni uthibitisho kuwa wapo?

Hapo unapotaja farasi,hilo neno farasi,ni kuwa wako farasi,ndio ukasema hawapo farasi Wenye pembe za chuma,lakini farasi wapo.Kwa kusema kwako hawapo farasi Wenye pembe za chuma,nikuwa wapo farasi,ndio ukasema hawapo farasi.

 

[Kikwajuni One]

Unapotaja kutokuwepo kwa kuwepo unayemtaja kutokuwepo,ni uthibitisho wa kuwepo huyo unayemtaja.Kama hayupo usingesema hayupo,ni baada kuwa yupo,ndio ukasema hayupo.
Ni kama kusema "yule han a akili",kuwako kwa akili ndio ukasema hana akili.Ingekuwa hakuna akili,usingesema hana akili.

 

[Mish Albert]

Due to each society getting knowledge of good and evils by accident from their conscience

that could be the very reason in Kirangaz society they eat their neighbour while in nyani ngabu society they honor their neighbour

It is said that evolution of human being started in Africa
Can one volunteer telling me where the evolution of moral laws started from?

Let me put it in this way[from agnostic and atheistic standpoint]

Knowledge of good and evil does not actually depend on any moral law

And even its very definition is universal and absolute

I think if,we define evil as any harmful or unpleasant thing that causes pain,we are no longer need any moral law to differentiate between good and evil

I mean,its definition is self standing

Our distinction between good and evil[Moral laws],comes from our conscience

And again,conscience is biochemical property
[Mammals have more degrees of parental care because they have placenta]

 

[Kikwajuni One]

Huwezi kusema hayupo,lakini ni kuwa yupo,ndio ukasema hayupo.

 

[H1N1]

Let me put it in this way[from agnostic and atheistic standpoint]

Knowledge of good and evil does not actually depend on any moral law

And even its very definition is universal and absolute

I think if,we define evil as any harmful or unpleasant thing that causes pain,we are no longer need any moral law to differentiate between good and evil

I mean,its definition is self standing

Our distinction between good and evil[Moral laws],comes from our conscience

And again,conscience is biochemical property
[Mammals have more degrees of parental care because they have placenta]

I think people with leprosy are better off by agonistic and atheist because due to effect of the disease they feel no pain.
I do not understand how one can determine universally that there are good things and evils things without a universal moral law
If it comes from our conscience and as human we share that conscience can one account for its evolution ?

By defining evil in any aspect , means you have already assigned intrinsic value or dignity in humans
What causes that intrinsic value in humans , while we know as per atheist humans are product of a merely random process ?