The Truth Has Been Revealed (KQ wana ndege 3 tu)

[Kunta kinte1776]

Joto la jiwe ,kaka hapa kwetu nakubaliana nawe ufujaji wa mali ya umma umekithiri mipaka,na kwa kweli mambo yanazidi kubadilika,katika historia ya kenya kwa mara kwanza vita dhidi ya rushwa imepewa kipao mbele,ule gavana wa migori alikalisha kitako rumande kwa mwezi mzima,hilo lilikuwa jambo nadra sana nyakati zilizopita,we had been subjected to this mediocrity for a long time that we were starting to think its normal,its was becoming a culture developing overtime,as such it will take persistent effort to erode it.the political will is there and that was what was lacking

 

[Mkikuyu- Akili timamu]

Joto la jiwe ,kaka hapa kwetu nakubaliana nawe ufujaji wa mali ya umma umekithiri mipaka,na kwa kweli mambo yanazidi kubadilika,katika historia ya kenya kwa mara kwanza vita dhidi ya rushwa imepewa kipao mbele,ule gavana wa migori alikalisha kitako rumande kwa mwezi mzima,hilo lilikuwa jambo nadra sana nyakati zilizopita,we had been subjected to this mediocrity for a long time that we were starting to think its normal,its was becoming a culture developing overtime,as such it will take persistent effort to erode it.the political will is there and that was what was lacking

Corrupt ministers are given ambassadorial roles..Some even have to travel back and answer charges in court. Is that how to tackle corruption or is it just a side show?

 

[Kunta kinte1776]

Joto la jiwe GoK is a minority share holder in KQ,they have no say in the day to day running of the company,Mkikuyu Akili-Timamu its only recently the government injected capital actually bailed it in form of debt which was converted to equity,i don't know where you are getting 20 billion from,your problem is plucking figures from thin air

 

[Mkikuyu- Akili timamu]

Joto la jiwe GoK is a minority share holder in KQ,they have no say in the day to day running of the company,Mkikuyu Akili-Timamu its only recently the government injected capital actually bailed it in form of debt which was converted to equity,i don't know where you are getting 20 billion from,your problem is plucking figures from thin air

How did GoK share rise from 30% to 48%? That is taxpayer money being poured into a badly managed company

 

[joto la jiwe]

Joto la jiwe GoK is a minority share holder in KQ,they have no say in the day to day running of the company,Mkikuyu Akili-Timamu its only recently the government injected capital actually bailed it in form of debt which was converted to equity,i don't know where you are getting 20 billion from,your problem is plucking figures from thin air

Unaweza kuniambia GoK inamilikia share asilimia ngapi?, ni zaidi ya 30%, hiyo ni asilimia kubwa sana katika kampuni kubwa kama KQ, hiyo maana yake ni kwamba serikali inapata hasara sawa na 30% ya hasara za KQ.

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[Mkikuyu- Akili timamu]

Joto la jiwe GoK is a minority share holder in KQ,they have no say in the day to day running of the company,Mkikuyu Akili-Timamu its only recently the government injected capital actually bailed it in form of debt which was converted to equity,i don't know where you are getting 20 billion from,your problem is plucking figures from thin air

Gok is a minority shareholder at 48%? I have just found out that you are an imbicile, you have no figures and you just want to argue for the sake of it

 

[joto la jiwe]

Joto la jiwe ,kaka hapa kwetu nakubaliana nawe ufujaji wa mali ya umma umekithiri mipaka,na kwa kweli mambo yanazidi kubadilika,katika historia ya kenya kwa mara kwanza vita dhidi ya rushwa imepewa kipao mbele,ule gavana wa migori alikalisha kitako rumande kwa mwezi mzima,hilo lilikuwa jambo nadra sana nyakati zilizopita,we had been subjected to this mediocrity for a long time that we were starting to think its normal,its was becoming a culture developing overtime,as such it will take persistent effort to erode it.the political will is there and that was what was lacking

Kuna pesa nyingi sana zinazotumika hovyo katika kuendesha shughuli za serikali, wabunge, Governors, senators na wafanyakazi wengi wa serikali ya Kenya, tukianza na rais wa Kenya, huwa wanasafiri sana nje ya nchi, bado hadi Leo viongozi wa Kenya hutibiwa nje ya nchi, bado mpo na idadi kubwa ya ghost workers, bado serikali ya Kenya inatumia pesa nyingi sana katika kulipa salaries, kwa ufupi ni gharama sana kuendesha nchi ya Kenya kwasasa.

Vita dhidi ya rushwa lazima viende sambamba na kupunguza matumizi ya serikali, mfumo wenu wa majimbo(Counties), is very expensive to run in a country with high level of corruption, is the same as you multiply corruption by your number of counties.

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[gwijimimi]

Kipi muhimu na Bora,kununua Ndege Kwa cash then zijiendeshe Kwa hasara Kwa kutumia Kodi za Wananchi au kukodisha ndege na kuziendesha kibiashara kwa faida kubwa?

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Inashangaza sana
Sijui hata kipi cha ajabu hapo walichofanya hao webzetu kwanza inaonesha wanajua business

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[Kunta kinte1776]

Kenya is a young budding democracy,we have a progressive constitution that greatly champions individual freedoms,well those ministers are kenyans with rights,they are invoking their constitutional rights,ofcourse most of us are seething with anger at light of unfolding events,people want to see convictions,we the people want to see thieves roting in prison,But we area democracy,like i said a young one for that matter,there are some hurdles and we shall overcome..America the mother of all democracies is still battling this issues

 

[Mkikuyu- Akili timamu]

Kenya is a young budding democracy,we have a progressive constitution that greatly champions individual freedoms,well those ministers are kenyans with rights,they are invoking their constitutional rights,ofcourse most of us are seething with anger at light of unfolding events,people want to see convictions,we the people want to see thieves roting in prison,But we area democracy,like i said a young one for that matter,there are some hurdles and we shall overcome..America the mother of all democracies is still battling this issues

Actually Freedomhouse lists Tz above kenya interms of political and individual freedoms.
Tz is free from tribalism, free from corruption, free from hunger and indeed free from joblessness (22% unemployed)

 

[Kunta kinte1776]

Wewe mkikuyu stop resulting into cheap insults,are you losing it,take a chill pix brother,i clearly told you that shareholding rose just recently when government bailed out kq which they then converted to equity,that automatically rose to 48%.besides how many times have i dared you to table accurate figures to no avail

 

[Mkikuyu- Akili timamu]

Wewe mkikuyu stop resulting into cheap insults,are you losing it,take a chill pix brother,i clearly told you that shareholding rose just recently when government bailed out kq which they then converted to equity,that automatically rose to 48%.besides how many times have i dared you to table accurate figures to no avail

Gok has never been a minority share holder at KQ, that is why am telling you that you are discussing a company that you know nothing about.
You are a very clueless misinformed troll

 

[Kunta kinte1776]

But seriously are you trying to insinuate that tz more liberal than kenyan,Good Lord you need prayers my friend or are shifting goal post now,Tz is largely a conservative country led by a dictator,woe unto you if you dare the rigime in your country,you are free to take a breather in kenya,your environment is too toxic with oppression,you and i know that,stop arguing aimlessly.

 

[REDEEMER.]

Kuna pesa nyingi sana zinazotumika hovyo katika kuendesha shughuli za serikali, wabunge, Governors, senators na wafanyakazi wengi wa serikali ya Kenya, tukianza na rais wa Kenya, huwa wanasafiri sana nje ya nchi, bado hadi Leo viongozi wa Kenya hutibiwa nje ya nchi, bado mpo na idadi kubwa ya ghost workers, bado serikali ya Kenya inatumia pesa nyingi sana katika kulipa salaries, kwa ufupi ni gharama sana kuendesha nchi ya Kenya kwasasa.

Vita dhidi ya rushwa lazima viende sambamba na kupunguza matumizi ya serikali, mfumo wenu wa majimbo(Counties), is very expensive to run in a country with high level of corruption, is the same as you multiply corruption by your number of counties.

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Nilishangaa Kenya eti wabunge na governors wana escorts na personal security services waged by the government wakati Tanzania hata waziri hana hizo privileges. Wana matumizi ya hovyo kweli kwenye serikali yao.

 

[Kunta kinte1776]

Lol what a funny element,classical proverbial sooted kettle calling the pot black,what substance have you posted about kq in this thread except blantant and pathological lies to suit your agenda,stop projecting insecurities to feed your ego,thats temporary,stick to an intellectual debate like a man,,,,wacha matusi ndogo ndogo kaka

 

[joto la jiwe]

But seriously are you trying to insinuate that tz more liberal than kenyan,Good Lord you need prayers my friend or are shifting goal post now,Tz is largely a conservative country led by a dictator,woe unto you if you dare the rigime in your country,you are free to take a breather in kenya,your environment is too toxic with oppression,you and i know that,stop arguing aimlessly.

Tanzania has been champion of East and Central Africa since independence, it is only this year Kenya is ranked on top of Tanzania, otherwise you can't compare Tanzania with Kenya in democracy.

Political assassinations in Kenya is a normal phenomena, here in Tanzania, the issue of Tundu Lisu is still discussed nearly two years later. Kenya politics is based on tribes, is that democracy really.

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[Tz_one]

Wa africa tunashekesha sana Kipind ATC ilikuwa haina ndege kila mtu including nyie mlikuwa mnaisema .na kuikejeli ..sasa goverment imeanza kui revamp mnaanza kuikamia tena ..of coz goverment haiwez ikaridhisha watu wote mda mmoja ..but what i see Tz can imporve is Nguvu tunayoitumia ku revive ATC pia itumike ku improve agriculture amabyo ina employ almost half of population ..pia tutumie nguvu hyo kujakikisha tuna smelters za madini..pia tutumie nguvu hyo kuhahkikisha tuna social serives nzuri ...pia nguvu hyo itumike kuhakikisha kila sector inatendewa haki kwa njia hiyo tuta imporve sana...If Tz tungefocus ku grow agriculture kwa Doublr figures ..Tungekuwa mbali zaid .....its possible
Tz leading in
1..Cashew exports worldwide
2.Cloves exports wolrdwide
3.Avocados.
4.citrus fruits
5.Coconuts
6.rice..etc...hapa hata Cargo planes tukinunua 20 sitakua na shida maana zitakuwa zinapiga kazi

2.Tuiprocess Tanzanite yetu wenyewe
3.Tutumie Gas yetu vzuri
Mambo kama haya yata improve uchumi plus plus


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[Kunta kinte1776]

Joto la jiwe,Democracy is a broad and diverse term,its more than merely changing leaders after a certain period of time,there are fundamental cornerstones that realy define democracy such as ,sovereignity of the people,raila odinga nearly invoked this after 2017 polls.second,government based upon the consent of the people,we choose our leaders every five years including governers,mcas etc,.thirdly Majority rule.the winner takes it all in kenya.fourthly Minority rights,we all have seen the handshake,fifth,guarantee of basic human rights..this is so obvious,.sixth and most important,values of intolerance ,pragmatism,cooperation and comprimise,again handshake epitomises this perfectly well....these principles define kenyan democracy perfectly,infact the most dynamic and vibrant democracy in africa,in regards to tribal voting in states the minorities i.e hispanics,blacks,mexicans etc vote as block,the whites too vote as block,i think its natural to coalesce around your kind.

 

[joto la jiwe]

Joto la jiwe,Democracy is a broad and diverse term,its more than merely changing leaders after a certain period of time,there are fundamental cornerstones that realy define democracy such as ,sovereignity of the people,raila odinga nearly invoked this after 2017 polls.second,government based upon the consent of the people,we choose our leaders every five years including governers,mcas etc,.thirdly Majority rule.the winner takes it all in kenya.fourthly Minority rights,we all have seen the handshake,fifth,guarantee of basic human rights..this is so obvious,.sixth and most important,values of intolerance ,pragmatism,cooperation and comprimise,again handshake epitomises this perfectly well....these principles define kenyan democracy perfectly,infact the most dynamic and vibrant democracy in africa,in regards to tribal voting in states the minorities i.e hispanics,blacks,mexicans etc vote as block,the whites too vote as block,i think its natural to coalesce around your kind.

All that which you have mentioned are defined as Democratic principles of United Nations. If you use all those, Tanzania has been leading Kenya since independence, it is only this year after Magufuli's arrogance on freedom of expression, Tanzania scored 45 and Kenya 48, Kenya is three points above Tanzania, this is for the first time since creation of the World.

For your information, Kenya has never score above average, that means above 50%, since independence, while Tanzania has been above average since then, until two years back we are starting to come down.

The problems of majority of Kenyans, you tend to listen and believe all what is aired by your Media, for example you can hear Kenyans say" our democracy is most advanced in Africa, but Kenya has never crossed above 50%, which progressive are you talking about?

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[Fursakibao]

Wa africa tunashekesha sana Kipind ATC ilikuwa haina ndege kila mtu including nyie mlikuwa mnaisema .na kuikejeli ..sasa goverment imeanza kui revamp mnaanza kuikamia tena ..of coz goverment haiwez ikaridhisha watu wote mda mmoja ..but what i see Tz can imporve is Nguvu tunayoitumia ku revive ATC pia itumike ku improve agriculture amabyo ina employ almost half of population ..pia tutumie nguvu hyo kujakikisha tuna smelters za madini..pia tutumie nguvu hyo kuhahkikisha tuna social serives nzuri ...pia nguvu hyo itumike kuhakikisha kila sector inatendewa haki kwa njia hiyo tuta imporve sana...If Tz tungefocus ku grow agriculture kwa Doublr figures ..Tungekuwa mbali zaid .....its possible
Tz leading in
1..Cashew exports worldwide
2.Cloves exports wolrdwide
3.Avocados.
4.citrus fruits
5.Coconuts
6.rice..etc...hapa hata Cargo planes tukinunua 20 sitakua na shida maana zitakuwa zinapiga kazi

2.Tuiprocess Tanzanite yetu wenyewe
3.Tutumie Gas yetu vzuri
Mambo kama haya yata improve uchumi plus plus


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Umenena vyema kaka.
Leo nimesoma habari moja inasema kinajengengwa kiwanda cha ngozi na ndani yake kutakuwa na viwanda 6. Pesa imetolewa na inatakiwa kikamilike in 13 month. Hichi kiwanda kimikamilika tutakuwa itakuwa boost moja kubwa sana. They expect to employ 3000 emoyee na kitakuwa kinatengeza vitu vingi.

To be honest i was very happy after reading this news.

Africa ni Ethioia pekee inaprocess ngozi na bado haikizdhi mahitaji ya soko.

Mpango wa kutengeneza smelter bado uko pale pale pale.

Viva Tanzania

God save us