This election is not about Lowassa, It is about us

[BabuK]

My questions were more broader than how you've narrowed them...I don't think you touched on all elements....By the way, here is my thoughts:

I think this is also true for CDM, they changed their strategies and all that, and we are seeing how that is paying up..there are challenges and hillocks here and there...however it all depends on the political environment....Nobody said politics is static.....
What we are comparing here is not what happens but what makes things happen....the silent forces that yield results....

History teaches us a lot if you don't know....our national and society needs may be different, our environment may be different, our policies may be different, but those values upon which development depend on are still the same....issues like accountability, responsibility, honesty, treating people with equality, fairness, hardwork, patriotism, respect of freedom...unfortunately we are not seeing these values in CCM right now......
Pointing about things is one thing, working on it is another thing...for example CCM is saying they will deal with corruption, okey? they also say Lowassa is corrupt, right? But they are in government right now, why have they not taken any action against him for ogdoad years? The president is corrupt but he has a legal protection....
Again, it is easy to point fingers outwards than inwards..Its ten years of Kikwete right now, how far has this idea of yours hold up? Do you think voters should punish or reward a weak government....

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I liked your analysis and let me say this ...
Rewards and punishment don't work in democracy! The elections are about people aspirations and which candidates are likely to lead us towards that direction. If you want to "punish" that's an individual decision.. but if you want to VOTE for candidates who are more relevant to the aspirations.. there you Go! I'm for the later! Development is a relative term that is multi-ingredient with many inputs and players. In the end some voters will VOTE and others will "PUNISH" and the resulting government will have to address both!

 

[Kifyatu]

Here we go.

If your point is that UKAWA is in dire situation, I've heard those since it was formed, from Nape, Kinana and many others, that was many months ago. But what do we have? We have UKAWA moving steadily and surely. With regards to constituencies, they have agreed by 99%, Idon't have any problem the remaining 1%, FYI there can't be chaos from 1%, that is outright lie.

You are not answering my core question. Do you have a "power sharing plan" among UKAWA parties after elections? I guess not.

Now you sound more like a prophet or a psychic,are you a prophet or a psychic? You have questions about change, UKAWA is the answer. There is nothing like five more years for CCM, if you like Magufuli go and drink tea with him. This is now what I call UKAWAPHOBIA, the cure forLOWASAPHOBIA can help treat UKAWAPHOBIA as well, it is lemon fruits and lemon juice.

You don't need to be a psychic or an oracle to see this disaster unfolding before us. You don't need a prophet to tell you that tomorrow you will be hungry.

I thought you were the calm one (besides kui, that is). Where are all these invectives coming from? There are no phobias here (remember, no more psycho-analysis?)

Calm down sir, we may agree to disagree BUT at least let us be civil in the process.

You don't need to concede, you are not Magufuli,we haven't voted yet,you are just one voter, there are 24 million others waiting to vote on the 25th.Just carry your kichinjio and vote for someone you trust, some of us have already made decisions that we are going to vote for UKAWA. We are just campaigning to get more undecided voters.

OKAY.

I thought we were in an intellectual discourse about the future of our beloved Tanzania. Apparently, you are partisan. If you label me as the enemy, I guess there is nothing I can say that will sway you my way. This is the very reason why I decided NOT to be partisan way back in the early 80s.

I don't want to burst your bubble sir but political PARTISANSHIP can be worse than religious FUNDAMENTALISM. Think!

There are evidences with regards to those claims, if you don't agree with them, then provide us with alternative evidences. Slaa's meeting withMwakyembe in order to nail Lowassa, Slaa and Lipumba being protected by National intelligence services under CCM. We have moved past those stories long time ago. I don't even want to know where those culprits are.

You Sir, if today you suspect that your life is in danger because of communicating with Kifyatu, you can get this protection from Police, Usalama wa taifa, you name it. For Slaa and Lipumba to seek this protection is not an indication of their complicity with CCM.

If UKAWA wins today, all of us (I hope)can seek the same protection against those who would like to harm us, CCM inclusive.

What are you talking about, yero? Give me real evidence and not these gossips and innuendos.

There is no time when CCM have said anything positive about CDM, CCM hates CDM because they want to rule indefinitely, so why should I spend time listening for advices from guys whose government has tortured and killed our friends with impunity? Why shouldn't CCM guys spend that time to fix their own party, dealing with corruption, fulfilling their fake promises?

So, I am going to repeat myself. I am NOT a CCM guy. I have said this gazillions of times but you keep sticking this label on me. I like games but this is getting stale. If you wish to discuss substance I am here for you BUT mud slinging is off.

Now about you.
Is UKAWA or CDM this needy? Do you really need CCM endorsement to function? You are the opposition parties for God's sake. Act like it. This crying that CCM doesn't say anything positive about us is pathetic. I would kick you out of UKAWA myself if I was an insider. Grow a backbone soldier yero and fight. Stop crying and asking for endorsements from CCM. We are trying to get them out – remember?

If your habits and attitudes fits the definitions above, why shouldn't you be called by your new good name? If someone is supporting CCM like you we call him Gamba, because that name fits nicely than a JF name.

I thought I was interacting with an equal but I guess I was wrong. You know what, I have been insulted so many times and I have developed a very thick skin. Go ahead, load it in. I will disappoint you though, I will not respond in kind.

This is not about emotional investment, it is about the people, and every body knows how corrupt and selfish CCM is. I'm not like you, I stand by the people I don't stand by foolish CCM leaders. For someone who understand well, the problems and challenges facing Tanzanians, that person can't opt for CCM. If that person is a youth like me, shame on him or her, but if he/she is an old person no problem, because that group of people doesn't know a lot.

Sir, don't lecture me about my people. I already told this to Jack Daniel's. Young people like you think you know everything. You are probably in the age group of my youngest children or my grand children. I told JD that the bulk of my family in Tanzania is dirt poor. So when you talk about people, sir, know that I have them in my mind when I express concerns about UKAWA.

Why do you think I wanted CCM out in the first place? BUT this current UKAWA puts my people in jeopardy. If it is up to me – they should go until 2020.

It all comes down to this nasty decision. You are not providing any party or union with any lesson. Those lessons are for yourself and your fellow CCM guys. If there is a party that has to put its house in order, that party should be CCM. I'm a voter who punishes underperformance, and Kikwete has not delivered. So, for you Polepole hybrids and siblings, know that you are few, we are many. Majority always rules. FULL STOP.

GOD SPEED!

 

[Kifyatu]

yero Your tough love is way too tough man!,...lol!, mind going a little soft on undecided voter like Kifyatu so we don't completely lose him?

Thank God Jack Daniel's is playing a nice police kind of a guy.

What astounds me is how some people still have faith in ccm after all that we've been through with it. And now they're playing the ufisadi card, if they think it's something they can use to take Lowassa down then they should throw the first stone by taking legal actions against him or, they should've done it waay before if they're saints they claim to be. They're pointing an accusing finger while three is pointing back at them.
It seems incongruous to vote ccm back to Ikulu, it will be handling the situation totally opposite of what's expected as far as CCM's job performance goes.

You can tell they're in a hot seat with all the copying, pasting, and that mentioning of 'Ribya' to create fear among wananchi, something that in any way, shape, or form shouldn't come from a presidential candidate, that's just inappropriate.

So you guys are playing "GOOD-COP, BAD COP" with me? I guess the good cop is kui, huh? "Et tu kui?" I thought we were cool.

A month ago I thought it "incongruous" to vote for CCM. However, current UKAWA, my dear, is in a mess.

Lady, I am not playing. There are people very close to me right now that I thought UKAWA was going to liberate. When you see me rebelling, it is NOT because of CCM rather it is because I see doom before us.

I thought you had more respect for me. But now I know better. I will still be nice to you.

And yero and Jack Daniel's, I hope we and lady kui can share a drink - you pick the place, after the elections - win or lose.

 

[yero]

yero Your tough love is way too tough man!,...lol!, mind going a little soft on undecided voter like Kifyatu so we don't completely lose him?
Thank God Jack Daniel's is playing a nice police kind of a guy.

What astounds me is how some people still have faith in ccm after all that we've been through with it. And now they're playing the ufisadi card, if they think it's something they can use to take Lowassa down then they should throw the first stone by taking legal actions against him or, they should've done it waay before if they're saints they claim to be. They're pointing an accusing finger while three is pointing back at them.
It seems incongruous to vote ccm back to Ikulu, it will be handling the situation totally opposite of what's expected as far as CCM's job performance goes.

You can tell they're in a hot seat with all the copying, pasting, and that mentioning of 'Ribya' to create fear among wananchi, something that in any way, shape, or form shouldn't come from a presidential candidate, that's just inappropriate.

We have just a few days to go, shouldn't we use that time to get 100 more undecided voters than one single CCM douchebag?

 

[kui]

So you guys are playing "GOOD-COP, BAD COP" with me? I guess the good cop is kui, huh? "Et tu kui?" I thought we were cool.

A month ago I thought it "incongruous" to vote for CCM. However, current UKAWA, my dear, is in a mess.

Lady, I am not playing. There are people very close to me right now that I thought UKAWA was going to liberate. When you see me rebelling, it is NOT because of CCM rather it is because I see doom before us.

I thought you had more respect for me. But now I know better. I will still be nice to you.

And yero and Jack Daniel's, I hope we and lady kui can share a drink - you pick the place, after the elections - win or lose.

Kifyatu first of all my apologies, if in any sense I've offended you by my remarks!

I have so much RESPECT for you, you have no idea how much am learning from everything you contribute in here and I always Look forward to reading your comments. So for that part, you're wrong Sir, I'll NEVER!, disrespect you.
I've been trying to express myself to you all along on how good change will be to our country and to give chadema a chance, (in other threads as well) and in here I'll be on your side trying to convince you as long as it takes, so I'll never even try, to offend you.

When I mentioned Jack and Yero being a good cop and a bad cop kind of guys was just an example, not a real 'play'
I thought of them that way from how they present their messages, Jack's comments has a soft tone to it, compared to Yero's who has a tough approach, I've noticed in the way you two exchange views and especially when he talked about using lemons and lemonade to cure Lowassaphobia...lol!

When it comes to this year's elections am not playing either mkuu, am watching every move and am serious about everything that's happening in regards to uchaguzi, and both my self and my family is going to be tremendously affected by this election both in good ways and bad ways depending on who wins. We may differ in our views in this election but, one thing I know for sure is that after the dust settles we're going to come out of this stronger, wiser, and hopefully yero will be calmer, and as you said maybe we can all share a drink while reflecting 2015 Tanzania's Elections.....win or lose!

Cheers.

 

[kui]

We have just a few days to go, shouldn't we use that time to get 100 more undecided voters than one single CCM douchebag?

.....lol!, yero am trying to do damage control and you keep hitting even harder!,...C'mon man!

 

[mwengeso]

Kifyatu. Yero and kui, here is my advice: doubt everything in the world but never doubt yourself and your capabilities.

What we are witnessing in this year's election campaign in political power struggle within political parties and amongst political parties. But we should note, and take care that "power is useless when into the hands of a person who doesn't know how to use it. Power is dangerous when into the hands of a person who misuses it. But power can work wonders when into the hands of a person, who puts the world before himself.

Amongst the Presidential Candidates, there are power mongers. But, mind you, power is of no use without the wisdom to know how to use it, like what is happening in JF with respect to members contributions, which are mostly not constructive but full of abusive language.

TAFAKARI CHUKUA HATUA

 

[Kubwajinga]

In Tanzania's 1977 constitution we have provisions that control the President's actions....BTW why was this not a big deal in 2005 when Kikwete was seeking presidency while Lowassa was behind his strategies?...Nevertheless, I don't deal with fantasies, I deal with facts....your party promises A,B,C and D and fails to achieve B,C and D, you are out.... Changing individuals who uses the same team is not of fecund. PERIOD.

NO ONE CAN CONTROL TZ PREZ, INCLUDING OUR CONSTITUTION.

BTW; IT WAS A BIG DEAL TO SOME OF US IN OPPOSING 'WANA MTANDAO' OR 'BOYS 2 MEN', i.e. KIKWETE + LOWASSA.

We campaigned against both Kikwete and Lowassa, before CCM nominations and even after JK was in power (search my postings).

Sadly we lost and UnfortunatelyWe were right, both vis-a-vis JK's inept leadership and LOWASSA's UFISADI PAPA.

FYI; I DON'T STAND FOR PARTIES, I STAND FOR MY LOVELY TANZANIA. IT IS INDIVIDUALS WHO MESSES UP OUR COUNTRY NOT PARTIES.

LET'S NOT ALLOW CONTINUATION OF WANA MTANDAO USING UKAWA HIDEOUT.

CAG told us in his report that Tsh. 262 Billion shillings disappeared in paying ghost debts in Magufuli's Ministry, in the same Ministry the government owes at least Tsh.900 Billion in late payment penalties....These are not petty corruptions, they are grand....

MAGUFULI himself has never been accused or suspected of any misconduct and bears no unexplainable affluence, unlike EDWARD LOWASSA.

Mwinyi and his wife were allegedly involved in ivory business, just like Kinana, selling Tanzanian's ivory to the Middle East...He must have something to say regarding a significant drop in the number of elephants in our National Parks and Game Reserves over the last two or three decades....That is corruption in itself.....

RUMORS are just like that, rumors. No one can control them. Mwinyi & Kinana, none of them have wealth beyond their means and after all, both of them are not running for the PRESIDENCY.

EDWARD LOWASSA; is running to be our prez. But, Lowassa, even without formal employment, buz, he is still FILTHY RICH; capable of donating billions to almost anyone influential to public opinions, buy copters to con pastors, holidaying like @ChelseaFC's Abramovich, owning multi billion properties, land everywhere etc., etc. .....None of these are rumors, they are FACTS.

If that is true, why did CCM fail to hold him accountable for alleged unexplainable affluence since the first president? Why did CCM presidents appointed him to serve in their administrations?

Easy! EDWARD LOWASSA WAS AND IS STILL KIKWETE'S BEST FRIEND; rrrrrRemember 'WANA MTANDAO'? These Wanamtandao have no problem if LOWASSA takes over the presidency and not MAGUFULI or Dr. Slaa. They know for sure that LOWASSA will take good care of them MAFISADI than MAGUFULI or Dr. Slaa who might hang them or to the bare minimum mess up their businesses.

Well, now we have Slaa and Lipumba out of the picture because of failing to understand the power of the people...Those who we thought had political experiences are making colossal mistakes....perfection doesn't have any kind of relationship with time...

NOW YOU ARE BECOMING A LIAR LIKE MBOWE.

Dr. Slaa and Prof. Lipumba left UKAWA cos didn't want to confer blessings to UFISADI PAPA through EDWARD LOWASSA presidency. THERE IS NO POWER OF THE PEOPLE IN EDWARD LOWASSA'S CAMPAIGN, there is ONLY ULAGHAI to the desperate Tanzanians.

Do you even understand the absurdity of your fictitious thoughts?...

I repeat: AS MUCH AS WE NEED MAGEUZI, WE SHOULDN'T LET A MOLESTER, Edward Lowassa, TO BE a BABY SITTER to OUR BEAUTIFUL BABY MAGEUZI.

 

[yero]

Here we go. You are not answering my core question. Do you have a "power sharing plan" among UKAWA parties after elections? I guess not.



You don't need to be a psychic or an oracle to see this disaster unfolding before us. You don't need a prophet to tell you that tomorrow you will be hungry.

I thought you were the calm one (besides kui, that is). Where are all these invectives coming from? There are no phobias here (remember, no more psycho-analysis?)

Calm down sir, we may agree to disagree BUT at least let us be civil in the process.

Is there any party or union that has put forward publicly their power sharing plan? If they answer is YES, mention it, if NO, just shut up.

People requiring psycho-analysis don’t know that themselves. You may be in in need, you never know. What the prophets and psychics say are not always exactly will happen. The same way the meteorological agency can predict a weather pattern only for people to see a different thing. You are raising the ‘hunger prediction’ to somehow paint a picture of a prediction with certainty. That’s foolish. It is more like someone betting in a football match. I want you to get this straight to your ‘thick skulls’, I work with what I see not what someone like you want me to see. Tell me what I can see, not what you think you are seeing.

I thought we were in an intellectual discourse about the future of our beloved Tanzania. Apparently, you are partisan. If you label me as the enemy, I guess there is nothing I can say that will sway you my way. This is the very reason why I decided NOT to be partisan way back in the early 80s.

I don't want to burst your bubble sir but political PARTISANSHIP can be worse than religious FUNDAMENTALISM. Think!

When I’m faced with danger I respond with a fight rather than a flight response. There are some people who can buy those phobias you are creating in your mind, as for me seeing is believing.

You Sir, if today you suspect that your life is in danger because of communicating with Kifyatu, you can get this protection from Police, Usalama wa taifa, you name it. For Slaa and Lipumba to seek this protection is not an indication of their complicity with CCM.

If UKAWA wins today, all of us (I hope)can seek the same protection against those who would like to harm us, CCM inclusive.

What are you talking about, yero? Give me real evidence and not these gossips and innuendos.

People have already discussed issues of Slaa and Lipumba way back, so I won’t get assailed with the same old stories just because kifyatu want to know. Be updated please.

So, I am going to repeat myself. I am NOT a CCM guy. I have said this gazillions of times but you keep sticking this label on me. I like games but this is getting stale. If you wish to discuss substance I am here for you BUT mud slinging is off.

I have also said a zillion times that I don’t care which party you belong to. It is you and your choices. You already said you’ll go for Mapadlock, that’s fine, so flinging off on the namby-pamby ideas is not going to help our team get more undecided voters. For us time is of the essence.

Now about you.
Is UKAWA or CDM this needy? Do you really need CCM endorsement to function? You are the opposition parties for God's sake. Act like it. This crying that CCM doesn't say anything positive about us is pathetic. I would kick you out of UKAWA myself if I was an insider. Grow a backbone soldier yero and fight. Stop crying and asking for endorsements from CCM. We are trying to get them out – remember?

Don’t be an idiot. What I said doesn’t amount to crying or endorsement if you really know what the word ‘endorsement’ mean. What I’ve consistently said throughout this thread is that I’m not in favor of picking the so called ‘right’ advices from guys whose party has brought nothing but plagues and disasters to this nation. When I hear CCM I just feel nausea.

I thought I was interacting with an equal but I guess I was wrong. You know what, I have been insulted so many times and I have developed a very thick skin. Go ahead, load it in. I will disappoint you though, I will not respond in kind.

You are insulted because your ability to analyse things is just like a secondary school kid. I don’t how old you are, but age doesn’t have any kind of relationship with wisdom and intelligence.

Sir, don't lecture me about my people. I already told this to Jack Daniel's. Young people like you think you know everything. You are probably in the age group of my youngest children or my grand children. I told JD that the bulk of my family in Tanzania is dirt poor. So when you talk about people, sir, know that I have them in my mind when I express concerns about UKAWA.

Why do you think I wanted CCM out in the first place? BUT this current UKAWA puts my people in jeopardy. If it is up to me – they should go until 2020.

Old people know nothing about today, and that’s why they’ll crowd themselves around CCM. Anybody supporting CCM is having some brain malfunction. Do you even hear yourself? your family is poor, why are they poor? What does it take to lift them out of poverty? Is it okey that they are poor? Do you think the government is responsible in any way for their poverty? You see, you don’t ask yourself tough questions, so self-centered. I know a lot of dirt in CCM that I don’t think you know. People like you are financially benefiting from CCM being in power and you fear losing your daily bread when they’re out.

GOD SPEED!

There are known unknowns, which means they are things you know that you don’t know

 

[yero]

kui

That is the guy who was afraid to show his true identity, he was cornered by Jack and he decided to quit the thread.

As for me, these polepole hybrids can't hide themselves. My question, why was he afraid to open up at the beginning? and now he is coming in full spreading UKAWAPHOBIA and LOWASSAPHOBIA? Why didn't he do that at the beginning? These kind of hesitant people are just dragging us back. Attempting to thwart opposition's plans and successes in the guise of 'advices'.

You don't know these people, many are here in JF too, when they see the real chance of CCM being out of power, they'll pick up anything to discourage opposition's efforts and they line back to CCM, they are always guised an 'neutral' or 'non partisan'. The time doesn't allow those kind of fake advices.

 

[Kifyatu]

We have just a few days to go, shouldn't we use that time to get 100 more undecided voters than one single CCM douchebag?

I am sorry it has come to this yero, jack daniels and kui. I am a douche-bag now?

Sometimes it is good to know your place in the society. Very gratuitous Sir.

 

[Kifyatu]

kui

That is the guy who was afraid to show his true identity, he was cornered by Jack and he decided to quit the thread.

As for me, these polepole hybrids can't hide themselves. My question, why was he afraid to open up at the beginning? and now he is coming in full spreading UKAWAPHOBIA and LOWASSAPHOBIA? Why didn't he do that at the beginning? These kind of hesitant people are just dragging us back. Attempting to thwart opposition's plans and successes in the guise of 'advices'.

You don't know these people, many are here in JF too, when they see the real chance of CCM being out of power, they'll pick up anything to discourage opposition's efforts and they line back to CCM, they are always guised an 'neutral' or 'non partisan'. The time doesn't allow those kind of fake advices.

I am sure you are referring to me here. I am going to shout and maybe you can hear me clearly now: I AM NOT PARTISAN.

I evaluate every situation OBJECTIVELY. Individual parties mean nothing to me. If a party I support messes up I criticize. Right now UKAWA is in a mess and I will not endorse it to go to ikulu, not this year.

You, and I believe Jack Daniel's and kui, are emotionally entrenched into UKAWA. That is good because it makes you loyal foot soldiers fighting for the cause. But this status does not give you the objectivity you need in evaluating UKAWA. It is not easy to criticize the very party you are building. I can, because I have the luxury of being the outsider. Sorry, from my perspective I see UKAWA differently than you do.

I didn't know yours was a missionary work to convert people into UKAWA. I am sorry to disappoint you. I hope you are not paid by the number of people you bring in?

 

[Jack Daniel's]

I’m thrilled by your well thought contributions…and your in future responses try to cover everything and Please DON’T SIDESTEP MY QUESTIONS…..without wasting time, let’s get the show on the road…….

Here you go again lumping me with CCM. I already told you that I am not emotionally attached to any political party. If a party messes up I criticize, if they do well I praise. Please let us not go there again. We have already discussed this. For you to rehash this argument (lumping me with CCM) here makes me question your attention span.
CCM may be marred in corruption but at least it is internally stable at the moment. CDM was stable. But CDM inside UKAWA is weakened and UKAWA is a powder vessel waiting to explode. I wanted to vote for CDM – remember? But not in its current form.

According to your current stance, you are no longer sitting on the fence….you’ve already uncloaked yourself just like me and you’ve dug in your heels with CCM (whose candidate you support)….

When they say good stuffs about CCM (the party whose candidate you currently support) you are proud as a peacock, when the page is turned, you don’t want it….that is purely uncivilized and unethical….

I know that you’re trying to keep up the appearance for CCM, but let’s not forget there is internal strife in the clunky CCM, though that often get concealed….and that’s why I said, it is easy to point fingers outwards than inwards…..

According to your hypothesis of replacement with viable opposition, CCM should still continuously rule despite their failure to deliver on their preceding promises??? YES or NO..If the answer is YES, why do parties campaign?? If the answer is NO, why shouldn’t we punish underperformance??

Between Group (A) and (B) below, which one is will bring development to the people??? A or B
Group A: Group of uncorrupt individuals in unison at this point and agreeing to disagree.
Group B: Group of corrupt persons working in tandem arrangement.

By the way, with regards to the explosion thing, you are chasing your own tail with the fear-mongering technique you’ve adopted….try to have someone to take that bee out of your bonnet before it stings you….

5 years is nothing if the alternative (UKAWA) will wreck this country from its core. You will not worry about traffic jams, drugs in hospitals,poverty, and any of these things if people are killing each other in the streets because the ruling elites in UKAWA are fighting in the ensuing power struggle that I predict will happen if UKAWA wins.
Don't lecture me about what is good for my people. Unlike others, the majority of my family members are very poor and are in dire need of an immediate relief. They are the ones in mind when I say I am scared of UKAWA . What I need in this country is change BUT change with stability. Honestly, I don't see stability with the current UKAWA.

When you don’t see it, it doesn’t mean it is not there….instead it means your ability to see is limited by your imaginations and the dogmas that have been fed to you….

Assuming UKAWA emerged extemporaneously as a macabre union is completely ridiculous….it is a clear indication though that CCM and its supporters are appearing a moribund stage with all these rhetoric……

These are attempts to enervate and frustrate UKAWA efforts, as it is now apparent that the union is a CCM’s nemesis…..I hope everyone with an average intelligence will gingerly take all those allegations with a pinch of salt….

Again I reiterate, the Libya, Egypt, Tunisia scaremongering examples are typical worn out dogmas that have consumed us for far too long…..They don’t have a place now, they shouldn’t have a place ever…..

What do you have to say say about Escrow, Richmond, Meremeta, Mwananchi Gold, Import Commodity Support (CIS), EPA, ANBEN, Simba Trust, Kinana’s Ivory business, Magufuli’s Fake ferry boat and Kebby’s Hotel, Selling of government residential houses, Ridhiwani’s illegal drug business etc.???Do you mean we shouldn’t worry about these??? YES or NO.If the answer is YES, how can the government expenditure help fulfil the promises in campaigns??, if the answer is NO, why should we put back a corrupt system??

Me, myself and I came up with these concerns. Are you now calling me a “backroom boy?” The Swahilis have a saying that goes like this: Akutukanaye hakuchagulii tusi. Really, Sir? Have we dragged ourselves to this dark alley now?

It is not you who is the backroom boy, but it is you who take in what backroom boys tell you….BTW ‘backroom boy’ is not an epithet…

I repeat, NARC was similarly formed with remarkable celerity in the aftermath of the Kenyan constitutional referendum, they ended up winning the election of 2002 and ousting and annihilating KANU and bringing progress not disasters to the Kenyan people. Does your theory of “quickly formed unions creating disasters” holds here???? YES or NO...If YES, how??..If NO, why??

Ooooh! It looks like I have touched a raw nerve here. Now I know for sure you are an UKAWA insider. Good. Please tell me, if you wish:

• Have you discussed modalities for power sharing between parties after elections?
• Do you care to share this detailed power sharing plan with us mere mortals?

I am not mocking you sir but these are my real concerns with UKAWA. I had already relented to Lowasa but later UKAWA derailed me. You will be doing many undecided people a great favor if you could answer the two simple questions.

UKAWA finished their negotiations months ago by 99% …that is remarkable and it counters your theory of unviable opposition. TRUE or FALSE. If the answer is TRUE, scrap that theory, if the answer is FALSE, what is the strength of 1% over 99%??

This election is about us, not you and truly not me….However you want the nuts and bolts with a power sharing plan beforehand, you say it concerns you…I will tell you that it is not necessary, it is not a concern for MAJORITY of both undecided and decided voters….

History tells us, that is has never been…..APC (Nigeria) didn’t disclose their power sharing structure any time before the election….NARC (Kenya) didn’t do it…the point I’m making is that, it neither cost an election victory nor create a disaster.

Please sir, if you wish to discuss ideas I will be here for you. These ad hominem (personal) attacks (...you should tell CCM...) against me are really beneath you.

Forming an alliance of multiple opposition parties and creating an entity that can act as a political unit takes more than a few months. If you are happy with the current UKAWA internal structure then so be it. Remember I told you here and now, if UKAWA wins this election then take a front row seat and observe the rupture of our dear nation called Tanzania.

As I said in my first response…disguised neutrality doesn’t guarantee eschewal of CCM’s downsides….

You’ve tarred UKAWA with the same brush and people like me are going to be here to counter those narratives….

Using fantasies as a litmus test in this election is repugnant….I gave you an anecdote in BLUE about preliminary APC challenges….I am putting it again so you don’t ignore it…

{The resolution to form APC (ruling party) in Nigeria was signed by Tom Ikimi, the who represented the ACN; Annie Okonkwo on behalf of the APGA; , Mallam Ibrahim Shekarau, the Chairman of ANPP's Merger Committee; and Garba Shehu, the Chairman of CPC's Merger Committee. Surprisingly, less than 2 years before the party's historic victory in the 2015 elections, TOP LEADERS Annie Okonkwo, Tom Ikimi and Ibrahim Shekarau resigned from the party and joined the PDP}

Does your theory of unviable opposition hold in this case?? YES or NO..if the answer is YES, tell me the disasters in Nigeria, if the answer is NO, your theory is unfounded….

You are not cooking UKAWA’s goose here, you know that, they are full-fledged to take over the keys…and I’m going to be here to try to make sure you can wrap your brain around that….

Whereas I am inquisitive, I am not a gossipy person as you suggest I should be (a quidnunc). I asked you a simple question. Tell me how was CCM responsible for Slaa and Lipumba's departure. Remember, and this the God's truth, I am not a CCM insider. I observe and decide.

I said unequivocally that Slaa and Lipumba are gone like a shadow…there is a whole host of stuffs regarding their controversial resignations and your lack of information shouldn’t be an excuse to try to get people back to the drawing board….

I encourage you to keep your fingers on the pulse with regards to election issues in Tanzania so that you can make informed analysis in your future comments…..

Quite a mouthful here and thanks for the details.

I will respond to your last paragraph. Magufuli promising to establish a special corruption court is nonsense. The current courts and laws are adequate. It is just that the laws were not implemented. Now, the courts will not prosecute past presidents because of their immunity. They can prosecute anyone else BUT this will not happen under Magufuli's presidency. That is why I wanted CDM to take the helm – until you guys came and bungled the whole shtick (performance) with UKAWA.

You’ve swallowed your own pride…’cons of being neutral’, when you are sold on stuffs like this you crawl back to giving CDM credit and swiftly drop the green balls you were holding…..that is a cut under your feet….bucking leaders of the party you support but not having the audacity to buck the system that breeds them is a red herring…..

Thanks, I am in the know.

However, know this: In political research (polling), opinions are transient (they change). They change with time, people's moods and information fed to them. That is why mass media advertisements play major role in campaigning up to the time of polling.

The independent company you outsourced this project to did their work and were paid – good for them. However currently, the results given to you are irrelevant, and maybe false. They didn't anticipate CCM's response.

Next time you guys hire this firm, or any other firm for that matter, ask them to use a “GAME THEORETIC APPROACH” in their analysis.
I teach two, whole semester each, courses in GAME THEORY. They are welcome to sit in.

I noted the following:

RED: Nobody said the research was not a continuous process…..however research studies are not done daily, an adequate time has to be allocated, and the results can be of use for a very long period of time…..

BLUE: How can you tell that with certainty?

GOLD: There were more than one organization given the task…and research companies have their own methodologies….If you are intending to question the research work why don’t you doubt the whole research rather than just part of it (data analysis)…..Data analysis is not the only element in research that can render a study wrong.....

TURQUOISE: That is irrelevant information…..

 

[Kifyatu]

I have put in red all the gems I picked up today.

Is there any party or union that has put forward publicly their power sharing plan? If they answer is YES, mention it, if NO, just shut up.

People requiring psycho-analysis don't know that themselves. You may be in in need, you never know. What the prophets and psychics say are not always exactly will happen. The same way the meteorological agency can predict a weather pattern only for people to see a different thing. You are raising the ‘hunger prediction' to somehow paint a picture of a prediction with certainty. That's foolish. It is more like someone betting in a football match. I want you to get this straight to your 'thick skulls', I work with what I see not what someone like you want me to see. Tell me what I can see, not what you think you are seeing.

No, I won't shut up but I think you have answered my question.
From all that rumbling I got the following: I need a psychiatric treatment, I have a thick skull and I am foolish. I thought you were supposed to coax me into UKAWA and the power sharing plan among parties was at the top of my list of requests?

When I'm faced with danger I respond with a fight rather than a flight response. There are some people who can buy those phobias you are creating in your mind, as for me seeing is believing.

That is your prerogative Sir, I cannot rob you of it.

People have already discussed issues of Slaa and Lipumba way back, so I won't get assailed with the same old stories just because kifyatu want to know. Be updated please.

Fair enough, I will accept that. Some of us have day jobs and are not glued to all partisan politics. I thought you could help me.

I have also said a zillion times that I don't care which party you belong to. It is you and your choices. You already said you'll go for Mapadlock, that's fine, so flinging off on the namby-pamby ideas is not going to help our team get more undecided voters. For us time is of the essence.

I am sorry I wasted your time in your quest to convert undecided voters. That is a very noble cause for UKAWA. The problem is that the current UKAWA is not sell-able to undecided voters who THINK.

Don't be an idiot. What I said doesn't amount to crying or endorsement if you really know what the word ‘endorsement' mean. What I've consistently said throughout this thread is that I'm not in favor of picking the so called ‘right' advices from guys whose party has brought nothing but plagues and disasters to this nation. When I hear CCM I just feel nausea.

This is your problem, you have an intrinsic hate for CCM and it is understandable. You are a loyal UKAWA member. It is like asking a die-hard YANGA fan to wish SIMBA well – impossible. But this shouldn't translate into that fan wanting everyone else to cheer for YANGA all the time.

You are insulted because your ability to analyse things is just like a secondary school kid. I don't how old you are, but age doesn't have any kind of relationship with wisdom and intelligence.

Thank you for revealing my true intellectual capacity.

Old people know nothing about today, and that's why they'll crowd themselves around CCM. Anybody supporting CCM is having some brain malfunction. Do you even hear yourself? your family is poor, why are they poor? What does it take to lift them out of poverty? Is it okey that they are poor? Do you think the government is responsible in anyway for their poverty? You see, you don't ask yourself tough questions, so self-centered. I know a lot of dirt in CCM that I don't think you know. People like you are financially benefiting from CCM being in power and you fear losing your daily bread when they're out.

Well, apparently you know nothing about me. I don't benefit from CCM being in power. However, many people including Lowasa became filthy rich under CCM, what was their secret, Sir?

Talking about benefiting from CCM government let me give you a BREAKING NEWS. All old people (including Lowasa) benefited and others continue to benefit from CCM. Some of us got free education from kindergarten to Ph.D. - When we were in college, we didn't pay for tuition, books, room and board, transportation, and other school supplies. On top of that they (CCM government) gave us allowances (BOOM), not a loan. Ask your parents and grandparents. This free education was merit-based and unfortunately there was a capacity constraint. We just need to extend this right (not a privileged) to all people. I thought CDM was going to do that. I ask again, what happened?

So, if old people know nothing about today and they are probably senile, then why are you fielding Lowasa (mamvi) as your candidate? Can you hear yourself talking? You just insulted your parents,your grandparents, and all the elders in your clan. Cha-cha-cha-cha-cha! Shame, shame, shame! So young BUT so disrespectful. I forgive you on behalf of all the elders you just insulted.

There are known unknowns, which means they are things you know that you don't know.

True. You just stated the obvious.

This is the reason why we go to school because we know there are things we need to learn or be taught. Our discussion here in JF is a prime example where we can learn from each other new things (passively if we wish) that we don't know. You, on the other hand, should take your own advice. You have closed your mind to any criticism of UKAWA, however benign and constructive. I thought I was the one with a "thick skull"?

 

[yero]

No, I won't shut up but Ithink you have answered my question.
From all that rumbling Igot the following: I need a psychiatric treatment, I have a thickskull and I am foolish. I thought you were supposed to coax me intoUKAWA and the power sharing plan among parties was at the top of mylist of requests?

You don't know what you want in this election. If a power sharing plan is your concern for change then there is a huge problem bringing your attention to what are true concerns of many people.

That is your prerogativeSir, I cannot rob you of it

That is true, Jack is babysitting people like you who are against change because of cheap politics. There is a reson why CCM is spending huge amounts in propagandas, they count on people like you who take in every garbage they sell.

Fair enough, I will acceptthat. Some of us have day jobs and are not glued to all partisanpolitics. I thought you could help me.

I am not a reporter, reporters already did their jobs, it is your responsibility to seek information from any source in your reach.

I am sorry I wasted yourtime in your quest to convert undecided voters. That is a very noblecause for UKAWA. The problem is that the current UKAWA is not sell-ableto undecided voters who THINK.

Becasue you were decided already, so there can't be any new music you can hear instead you'll just be discouraging people with what you sit down and imagine or think will happen.

This is your problem, youhave an intrinsic hate for CCM and it is understandable. You are aloyal UKAWA member. It is like asking a die-hard YANGA fan to wishSIMBA well – impossible. But this shouldn't translate into thatfan wanting everyone else to cheer for YANGA all the time.

True, but it shouldn't translate into disguising as neutral or non-partisan, while in reality you are a die hard fan.

Thank you revealing my trueintellectual capacity

. There is nothing you said that holds water excepts these imaginations of violence and disasters and you want people to buy. You are not a psychic we don't come to you for predictions!! You have to explain the facts with examples not just general comments and unfounded imaginations.

Well, apparently you knownothing about me. I don't benefit from CCM being in power.

Even if you are benefiting I don't expect you to agree. Did Kinana agree of selling ivory while a company that he owns by 75% was involved? No, he didn't. You didn't expect Kinana to agree, did you?

So, if old people knownothing about today and they are probably senile, then why are youfielding Lowasa (mamvi) as your candidate? Can you hear yourselftalking? You just insulted your parents,your grandparents, and all the elders in your clan. Cha-cha-cha-cha-cha! Shame, shame, shame! So young BUT sodisrespectful. I forgive you on behalf of all the elders you justinsulted.

I didn't say all old people, that's your implication. There are old people whose wisdom and work is of help especially at this time and there are those(many) whose advices dates back the stone age era. Obsolete just like CCM propagandas.

True. You just stated theobvious.

This is the reason why we go to school because we know there things weneed to learn or be taught. Our discussion here in JF is a primeexample where we can learn from each other new things (passively if we wish) thatwe don't know. You, on the other hand, should take your own advice.You have closed your mind to any criticism of UKAWA, however benignand constructive. I thought I was the one with a "thick skull"?

I don't hate criticisms, but do that objectively, uphold some positive thinking, and don't spread stereotypes for the sake of it. I don't lke biased opinions, when comparing A and B, before you say something is wrong with B only, take a look at A first, don't leave loopholes in your arguments.

 

[yero]

I am sure you are referring to me here. I am going to shout and maybe you can hear me clearly now: I AM NOT PARTISAN.

I evaluate every situation OBJECTIVELY. Individual parties mean nothing to me. If a party I support messes up I criticize. Right now UKAWA is in a mess and I will not endorse it to go to ikulu, not this year.

You, and I believe Jack Daniel's and kui, are emotionally entrenched into UKAWA. That is good because it makes you loyal foot soldiers fighting for the cause. But this status does not give you the objectivity you need in evaluating UKAWA. It is not easy to criticize the very party you are building. I can, because I have the luxury of being the outsider. Sorry, from my perspective I see UKAWA differently than you do.

I didn't know yours was a missionary work to convert people into UKAWA. I am sorry to disappoint you. I hope you are not paid by the number of people you bring in?

You have been a CCM member for decades, I assume you still hold the membership card like Dr. Slaa. UKAWA is a perfect agreement and there nothing like a mess in that union. That's a laughable comment.

This is not about emotional entrenchment, it is about CCM's failed promises of 'Maisha bora kwa kila mtanzania'. When it comes to elections like this and I can see that we've made many steps backwards instead of forward, then there has to be replacement of parties. You say they have internal problems, I say they don't, well, it is CCM that has internal problems plus corruption, it is a pure Redline. But it seems to you, problems like corruption, poor quality of education, lack of drugs in hospitals, Tanzanians not benefiting from their own natural resources, lack of industries and so on doesn't mean a thing. Your problem is a power sharing plan. That's so limited.

I can see everything clearly and surprisingly I can see how corrupt CCM is more than you.

 

[yero]

Kifyatu. Yero and kui, here is my advice: doubt everything in the world but never doubt yourself and your capabilities.

What we are witnessing in this year's election campaign in political power struggle within political parties and amongst political parties. But we should note, and take care that "power is useless when into the hands of a person who doesn't know how to use it. Power is dangerous when into the hands of a person who misuses it. But power can work wonders when into the hands of a person, who puts the world before himself.

Amongst the Presidential Candidates, there are power mongers. But, mind you, power is of no use without the wisdom to know how to use it, like what is happening in JF with respect to members contributions, which are mostly not constructive but full of abusive language.

TAFAKARI CHUKUA HATUA

On your last paragraph, the only power monger we have in this election is MAGUFULI. He doesn't even have a priority, he is new to foreign policies, and until now he has copied a bunch of stuffs from CDM including their Slogan, their policies, their mantra and so on. I heard that Sumaye told him that he can crossover to CDM if he like CDM that much.

 

[Jack Daniel's]

...

I liked your analysis and let me say this ...
Rewards and punishment don't work in democracy! The elections are about people aspirations and which candidates are likely to lead us towards that direction. If you want to "punish" that's an individual decision.. but if you want to VOTE for candidates who are more relevant to the aspirations.. there you Go! I'm for the later! Development is a relative term that is multi-ingredient with many inputs and players. In the end some voters will VOTE and others will "PUNISH" and the resulting government will have to address both!

What is your opinion on the following highlights?

RED: Where do they work, in a timocracy?

BLUE: Millions of individual decisions makes up the choice, don't you think?

GOLD: Aspirations are developments, when a system has failed to meet the aspirations and/or expectations of its people, people get tired of it, just people are tired of CCM.

VIOLET:What if 99% of players are corrupt, can there be development?

TURQUOISE: Who do you think are many, between those who just vote and those who punish?...Answer that with reference to a few ruling parties in Africa that have been ousted.​

 

[Jack Daniel's]

I'm sorry to have reduced your Fronts, they cover a lot of space but the content is small and often repetitive:

NO ONE CAN CONTROL TZ PREZ, INCLUDING OUR CONSTITUTION.

BTW; IT WAS A BIG DEAL TO SOME OF US IN OPPOSING 'WANA MTANDAO' OR 'BOYS 2 MEN', i.e. KIKWETE + LOWASSA. We campaigned against both Kikwete and Lowassa, before CCM nominations and even after JK was in power (search my postings). Sadly we lost and UnfortunatelyWe were right, both vis-a-vis JK's inept leadership and LOWASSA's UFISADI PAPA.

FYI; I DON'T STAND FOR PARTIES, I STAND FOR MY LOVELY TANZANIA. IT IS INDIVIDUALS WHO MESSES UP OUR COUNTRY NOT PARTIES. LET'S NOT ALLOW CONTINUATION OF WANA MTANDAO USING UKAWA HIDEOUT.

RED: How do you invoke snapback provisions in a constitution when majority of them are advancing party rather than nation's interest?.....

VIOLET: I don't have that time.....

LIME: You and who?

TURQUOISE: How do you stand for a country that you don't stand by its people?

GOLDEN ROD:Are those individuals not belong to political parties?

TEAL: Do you mean that with Kikwete and his team still in CCM, there is no longer a network of individuals in CCM?

MAGUFULI himself has never been accused or suspected of any misconduct and bears no unexplainable affluence, unlike EDWARD LOWASSA.

RED: What about Kebby's hotel, if only that is what he can do to just a girlfriend, what about Tsh. 265 Billion that CAG reported missing in paying ghost debts? What about a 1978 fake ferryboat he bought for Tsh. 8 Billion? What about selling of government residential houses?...FYI, many people here in JF are informed....

RUMORS are just like that, rumors. No one can control them. Mwinyi & Kinana, none of them have wealth beyond their means and after all, both of them are not running for the PRESIDENCY. EDWARD LOWASSA; is running to be our prez. But, Lowassa, even without formal employment, buz, he is still FILTHY RICH; capable of donating billions to almost anyone influential to public opinions, buy copters to con pastors, holidaying like Chelseafc's Abramovich, owning multi billion properties, land everywhere etc., etc. .....None of these are rumors, they are FACTS.

RED: You don't need to control them, answer them, how do a company that Kinana own 75% of get into a ivory business without his knowledge, we are not kids, that is pure lie!!!

VIOLET: How do you know? Any evidence please to support your claim?

LIME: If Magufuli wins, he will work with a network of corrupt individuals like Kinana, is that not a concern?

TURQUOISE: Is there anything wrong by being rich? I think though that everything is wrong by being rich through doing illegal businesses like Kinana in Ivory trade or Ridhiwani in cocaine and heroine business, don't you think?

Easy! EDWARD LOWASSA WAS AND IS STILL KIKWETE'S BEST FRIEND; rrrrrRemember 'WANA MTANDAO'? These Wanamtandao have no problem if LOWASSA takes over the presidency and not MAGUFULI or Dr. Slaa. They know for sure that LOWASSA will take good care of them MAFISADI than MAGUFULI or Dr. Slaa who might hang them or to the bare minimum mess up their businesses.

RED:If there is friendship, why did Kiwete's committee drop Lowassa's name undemocratically at the preliminary stages?

VIOLET:Can you explain why we see all these forces and besmearing insults against him? Why is he attacked so much?

NOW YOU ARE BECOMING A LIAR LIKE MBOWE.

Dr. Slaa and Prof. Lipumba left UKAWA cos didn't want to confer blessings to UFISADI PAPA through EDWARD LOWASSA presidency. THERE IS NO POWER OF THE PEOPLE IN EDWARD LOWASSA'S CAMPAIGN, there is ONLY ULAGHAI to the desperate Tanzanians.

RED: I'm sorry I don't answer dogmas fed to people, and I have told this to Kifyatu as well...come to me with tangible statements....

I repeat: AS MUCH AS WE NEED MAGEUZI, WE SHOULDN'T LET A MOLESTER, Edward Lowassa, TO BE a BABY SITTER to OUR BEAUTIFUL BABY MAGEUZI.

BLUE: That's too low for you, I don't know how old you are, but try to behave with some standards of decorum.....By the way, Kubwajinga ????? I don't want to relate your posts with your name.....

 

[Kifyatu]

I'm thrilled by your well thought contributions…and your in future responses try to cover everything and Please DON'T SIDESTEP MY QUESTIONS…..without wasting time, let's get the show on the road…….

Thank you for the compliments. However, it looks like this is your day job. Some of us have to do other things for a living. If an argument cannot be explained in a couple of paragraphs then we are wasting time. You will be shocked if I told you how much they pay me for an hour of my thinking.

At the moment I will indulge you. However, in the future, can we keep these interactions short?

According to your current stance, you are no longer sitting on the fence….you've already uncloaked yourself just like me and you've dug in your heels with CCM (whose candidate you support)….

When they say good stuffs about CCM (the party whose candidate you currently support) you are proud as a peacock, when the page is turned, you don't want it….that is purely uncivilized and unethical….

I know that you're trying to keep up the appearance for CCM, butlet's not forget there is internal strife in the clunky CCM, though that often get concealed….and that's why I said, it is easy to point fingers outwards than inwards…..

According to your hypothesis of replacement with viable opposition, CCM should still continuously rule despite their failure to deliver on their preceding promises??? YES or NO..Ifthe answer is YES,why do parties campaign?? If the answer is NO, why shouldn't we punish under performance??

BetweenGroup (A) and (B) below,which one is will bring development to the people??? A or B
GroupA:Group of uncorrupt individuals in unison at this point and agreeing to disagree.
GroupB:Group of corrupt persons working in tandem arrangement.

By the way, with regards to the explosion thing, you are chasing your own tail with the fear-mongering technique you've adopted….try to have someone to take that bee out of your bonnet before it stings you….

I don't know how civilization and ethics come into play here.

We have all known of the divisions (makundi) within CCM. That is what you get when a party becomes too big to manage. That is why I wanted it scaled down. However, the divisions within CCM are known and are manageable. Such divisions also exist in CDM and other parties and Ican live with them. Divisions within UKAWA are not fully known and I can bet my bottom shilling that they cannot be managed in their current form.


JD man, I am getting tired of answering the same questions over and over again. Really, stop this. It is a form of intellectual abuse. In the past I already addressed these questions appearing in the last three paragraphs above. I am not trying to be rude (don't have a bone of rudeness in my body) but I will not dignify those questions with my answers.

When you don't see it, it doesn't mean it is not there….instead it means your ability to see is limited by your imaginations and the dogmas that have been fed to you….

Assuming UKAWA emerged extemporaneously as a macabre union is completely ridiculous….it is a clear indication though that CCM and its supporters are appearing a moribund stage with all these rhetoric……

These are attempts to enervate and frustrate UKAWA efforts, as it is now apparent that the union is a CCM's nemesis…..I hope everyone with an average intelligence will gingerly take all those allegations with a pinch of salt….

Again I reiterate, the Libya, Egypt, Tunisia scaremongering examples are typical worn out dogmas that have consumed us for far too long…..They don't have a place now, they shouldn't have a place ever…..

What do you have to say say about Escrow, Richmond, Meremeta, Mwananchi Gold, Import Commodity Support (CIS), EPA, ANBEN, Simba Trust,Kinana's Ivory business, Magufuli's Fake ferry boat and Kebby'sHotel, Selling of government residential houses, Ridhiwani's illegal drug business etc.??? Do you mean we shouldn't worry about these???YES or NO. If the answer is YES,how can the government expenditure help fulfil the promises in campaigns??, if the answer is NO,why should we put back a corrupt system??

No one feeds me dogma. I wish you knew me in person.

I am not trying to do anything toUKAWA here. You are the one who started this thread – remember,way back when? Unlike you, I am not asking anyone to do what I will do. My decision matrix has been evolving throughout this period. It means that I think, evaluate, decide, change decisions as facts on the ground are revealed. You Sir, in contrast, have been stuck in the same gear all along. Your choice– not mine.

Stop invoking what happened in other countries. They don't impress me. Let us deal with our own problems in our own backyard. What happened in other countries inform us not to repeat similar obvious mistakes but that is where they stop.

I will reiterate my objection. Don'task me the questions I already addressed here in your thread in thepast. I am not a CCM apologist. CCM is not an angel. They have donemany bad things and that is why I wanted them out in the first place. But to replace CCM with the current UKAWA – that will be our doom. Stop convincing me otherwise. We are now down to the wire and I am not changing my mind.

It is not you who is the backroom boy, but it is you who take in what backroom boys tell you….BTW ‘backroom boy' is not an epithet…

I repeat, NARC was similarly formed with remarkable celerity in the aftermath of the Kenyan constitutional referendum, they ended upwinning the election of 2002 and ousting and annihilating KANU and bringing progress not disasters to the Kenyan people. Does yourtheory of "quickly formed unions creating disasters" holds here????YES or NO...If YES,how??..If NO,why??

I told you no one is feeding me information. Ideas are mine and mine alone. So your reference to backroom boys was directed at me.

BOY is an epithet if you are addressing a man. The colonialists used to call our fathers and grandfathers"boys". Slave owners in the US called all their male slaves boys. When you hear an African American person calling you "man", it is a sign of respect that was not accorded to them by the slave masters. So I take offense when someone calls me BOY.

You keep bringing these comparisons with what happened in Kenya. That is Kenya and this is Tanzania. If you wish to discuss Kenya politics, there is a whole arena in JF dedicated to them – go there. Remember, that is where we first met? - Small world.

UKAWA finished their negotiations months ago by 99% …that is remarkable and it counters your theory of unviable opposition. TRUE or FALSE. If the answer is TRUE,scrap that theory, if the answer is FALSE,what is the strength of 1% over 99%??

This election is about us, not you and truly not me….However you want the nuts and bolts with a power sharing plan beforehand, you say it concerns you…I will tell you that it is not necessary, it is not a concern for MAJORITY of both undecided and decided voters….

History tells us, that is has never been…..APC(Nigeria) didn't disclose their power sharing structure anytime before the election….NARC(Kenya) didn't do it…the point I'm making is that, it neither cost an election victory nor create a disaster.

You haven't told us how will power be shared between the parties after elections. You just told us "99%is done" – what is done? Short of detailed explanation this is just a blow of hot air. If other people are OK with not knowing the details fine, they can gamble with UKAWA. However, I know there are problems and you, not even the whole UKAWA squad, cannot sway me.

As I said in my first response…disguised neutrality doesn't guarantee eschewal of CCM's downsides….

You've tarred UKAWA with the same brush and people like me are going to be here to counter those narratives….

Using fantasies as a litmus test in this election is repugnant….I gave you an anecdote in BLUE about preliminary APC challenges….I am putting it again so you don't ignore it…

{The resolution to form APC (ruling party) in Nigeria was signed by TomIkimi, the who represented the ACN; Annie Okonkwo on behalf of the APGA; , Mallam Ibrahim Shekarau, the Chairman of ANPP's Merger Committee; and Garba Shehu, the Chairman of CPC's Merger Committee.Surprisingly, less than 2 years before the party's historic victory in the 2015 elections, TOP LEADERS Annie Okonkwo, Tom Ikimi and Ibrahim Shekarau resigned from the party and joined the PDP}

Does your theory of unviable opposition hold in this case?? YES or NO..if the answer is YES,tell me the disasters in Nigeria, if the answer is NO, your theory is unfounded….

You are not cooking UKAWA's goose here, you know that, they are full-fledged to take over the keys…and I'm going to be here totry to make sure you can wrap your brain around that….

What is repugnant is to engage in a discourse with a political fundamentalist.You don't even listen to me. Anything I say flies right past you while you are thinking of a clever way to retort.


I think you are a lawyer – probably just passed your bar exams. This is not a courtroom. "Answer now, YES OR NO?" Here we are engaged in a civil discourse and as for your last set of questions, I will not dignify them with answers. They are stupid questions. Which board passed you in your bar exams? Really, I would like to know.

I said unequivocally that Slaa and Lipumba are gone like a shadow…there is a whole host of stuffs regarding their controversial resignations and your lack of information shouldn't be an excuse to try to get people back to the drawing board….

I encourage you to keep your fingers on the pulse with regards to election issues in Tanzania so that you can make informed analysis in your future comments…..

You are the one who said CCM was behind Slaa and Lipumba's departure. I think it was within my rights to ask you - what proof do you have, my learned brother?


I don't need to keep my fingers on any pulse. I have my own life, I just know that Tanzanians (that includes the majority of my family members) will fare worse if UKAWA,in its current version, takes over. I make my own decisions and I inform all my immediate and extended family members of the reasons for my decisions. They can do whatever they want.

You've swallowed your own pride…'cons of being neutral', when you are sold on stuffs like this you crawl back to giving CDM credit and swiftly drop the green balls you were holding…..that is a cut under your feet….bucking leaders of the party you support but not having the audacity to buck the system that breeds them is a red herring…..

Now I know I am dealing with an imbecile. Did you really understand the essence of my response? Sometimes it makes me wonder why I even bother interacting with nitwits like you.

I noted the following:

RED:Nobody said the research was not a continuous process…..however research studies are not done daily, an adequate time has to beallocated, and the results can be of use for a very long period of time…..

BLUE:How can you tell that with certainty?

GOLD:There were more than one organization given the task…and research companies have their own methodologies….If you are intending to question the research work why don't you doubt the whole research rather than just part of it (data analysis)…..Data analysis is not the only element in research that can render a study wrong.....

TURQUOISE:That is irrelevant information…..

Gees. You have no clue, do you?


I just pointed out flaws that were made in your research and you don't even care?


I just told you that I am an expert in GAME THEORY and you say that is irrelevant.


I told you that they didn't anticipate CCM's response and you ask me - how can I tell?


Are you a moron? An expert is giving you a professional evaluation and you dismiss him?


GOOD LUCK.