This election is not about Lowassa, It is about us

[Kubwajinga]

Regarding Richmond, I'm just going to ask you five questions:

TAKUKURU reported that there was no element of corruption or any violation of policies and procedures of procurement with regards Richmond/Tanesco contract. What do say about that?

TAKUKURU report was BS, as their boss, Dr. Hosea, was one of those 'MTANDAO PLANTs'. Lowassa & Hosea are school mates and the former helped the later get into TAKUKURU top job. Hosea was therefore paying back favor to LOWASSA by blocking a legitimate corruption report in favor of a bogus alternative. The Bunge report condemned the act and demanded investigation/punishment for the TAKUKURU boss. He retaliated by trying to investigate wabunge's posho...remember that?

Unfortunately JK was too soft/friendly to Lowassa and decided to push the report under the carpet. Here is how it was reported by Dr. Mwakyembe:

"Serikali iendeshe uchunguzi maalum ili kubaini ukweli kama Taarifa rasmi ya TAKUKURU iliyotoa matokeo ya uchunguzi kuhusu mchakato wa Richmond ilikataliwa na kuharibiwa na kutolewa nyingine, na kama jalada halisi linalohusu Kampuni ya Richmond lililokuwa BRELA liliharibiwa na kuwekwa lingine kwa lengo la kuficha ukweli"

Saed Kubenea said in Kyela that there were two Richmond reports, one indicating Kikwete as the mastermind and the other to sully Lowassa's name. What is your opinion?

Ignore Said Kubenea. He's just another 'Mganga Njaa'. Don't believe in anything he pretends to 'secretly' have knowledge of.

Mwakyembe said he didn't read the whole Richmond report for fear to dissolve the whole government, now in the rest of the report that was not read who is involved? Who is involved in that hidden part of the report?

The Richmond Report is online at Bunge and even at World Bank Website. Read it yourself. Utapeli & UFISADI wa LOWASSA is not a secret to anyone wishing to read.

Richmond gave birth to Dowans then Symbion, which means they are the same thing just different names, why is the government under CCM still paying Billions of Shillings to a company that it deems as corrupt?

Kikwete said in Arusha that Lowassa is 'clean' and that he has nothing to do with Richmond? What is your take?

Richmond to Dowans is like buying a stolen watch. Unless the owner decides to make a follow up, the buyer is basically not a thief. They used Dowans to clean up the scandal cos some money was already consumed.

Kikwete was an obstacle into getting a solution to this scandal. He was more concerned about helping his pal, Lowassa, survive the onslaught than becoming a respected and trusted president.

 

[Kubwajinga]

You rasied the following concerns at your post #203:

“‘It is individuals who messed up our country not parties”

“Magufuli has never been accused or suspected with any misconduct”

At my post #189, When I asked why why did CCM fail to hold Lowassa accountable for alleged unexplainable affluence since the first president? Why did CCM presidents appointed him to serve in their administrations? You said at your post #203 “Wanamtandao have no problem if Lowassa takes over the Presidency and not Magufuli or Dr. Slaa. They know for sure that Lowassa will take care of them Mafisadi than Magufuli or Dr. Slaa”

I then asked you some questions at my post #214, for instance:

Are those individuals not belonging to political parties?

What about Tsh. 265 Billion that CAG reported missing in paying ghost debts? What about 1978 fake ferry boat that he bought for Tsh. 8 Billion?

If Magufuli wins, he will work with a network of corrupt individuals like Kinana, is that not a concern?

I think everything is wrong with being rich through doing illegal businesses like Kinana’s ivory trade and Ridhiwani’s illicit drugs, don’t you think?

If there is friendship between Kikwete and Lowassa, why did Kiwete's own committee drop Lowassa's name undemocratically at the preliminary stages?

Can you explain why we see all these forces and besmearing insults against him? Why is he attacked so much?

Regarding ''Wanamtandao" which according to your statement in VIOLET above involve Nyerere, Mwinyi, Mkapa and Kikwete, Do you mean when you are in CCM you are clean and you only become unclean once you are out of CCM? If your answer is YES, why should we choose a corrupt system? if the answer is NO, Why are CCM leaders not talking about the corrupt CCM members who are in CCM right now like Chenge, Tibaijuka, Muhongo, Kinana, Ridhiwani, Kikwete, Mkapa, Mwinyi, Magufuli, Membe etc?

And at your post #260, you didn’t answer those question except that you repeated what you already posted at your posts #182, #187 and #203.

I suggest and encourage you to answer those few questions.....we are debating remember?

Individuals are the Mafisadis not parties as a whold. Obviously now have chosen to join CHADEMA, should we then call everyone in CHADEMA a fisadi? That will be unfair.

FISADI LOWASSA was mildly punished by all the prezs he worked for. Unfortunately, none took legal action, but am sure they all are in regret now, for not having done more to curb his ufisadi. The best that all of them eventually did was to fire him.

However, the CCM's Mwakyembe report managed to reveal the forceful nature by which the FISADI PAPA LOWASSA was using to push for the power contract to be given to the fictitious Richmond co.

Take your time and read the REPORT and Their Maoni.

 

[Kifyatu]

Hi Jacky-boy (lol), much as I resented this bullet-point by bullet-point rebuttals, I am still tempted to respond to you.

My editor is acting up so my responses will be in maroon color

These are hosts of stuffs, looks like you gave a little bit of thought before posting, Lets find out:

Here goes:

When you are making judgmental opinions, there has to be clear standards with respect to how you arrived there, much like an auditor has to indicate the audit findings that have enabled him to form the audit opinion…..In politics we've got to be able to [/FONT]distinguish between facts and opinions and the recognition of bias amongst people. Politics should be relevant to practical issues and politics is always adapting and evolving to the changing world. That is not philosophy, that is science.

In politics JD there are no blacks or whites as in science. Trust me, I am a science major, if not a scientist. There are intuitions and hunches. We are talking about what to expect in TZ, in the next 5 years. No science can tell you that. Just conjectures, insights and hopes. You have to grasp this one first.

mwaka huu mchagueni wa nyumbani[/COLOR]" to the people of the lake regions, what about the famous Nape's "bao la mkono", what about Ridhiwani's "Rais hawezi kutoka kaskazinorei", What about Mkapa's "Wapumbavu, malofa, mbumbumbu"…..

Mkuu, I am from Tanga, a dirt poor Tangan trying to uplift my people. None of our leaders have wielded any sway in Tanzanian politics. Talking about "nyumbani" or "kaskazini" is not impressing me one bit. This is what the great NYERERE was trying to eliminate. You have a voice here in JF, Sir. Please use it constructively.

facts[/COLOR]…and some are often disowned by majority of them….what you should have done is to condemn that video or any such video wherever it appears because a few leaders of religion should not decide for millions of people who their next President should be….. that's is stupid…..

Mkuu, the videos circulating are in the social media. They can only be neutralized by Hon. Lowasa alone, with UKAWA's participation. Who listens to me? Not even you listens.

Good for you Sir. I am agnostic myself. But in politic, perceptions are everything. Religion can be used nefariously by people to their advantage. I saw this clearly when Lowasa's video first came out, and that is why I gave that advice.

Agreed. Tanzanian problems first. However, how will power seekers gain control? If they can use religious discord to achieve it, they will. How do you diffuse their efforts? That is what I was talking about. Ignore me at your own peril.

Kikwete. He said in 2010 CDM will favour Christians and CUF will favour Muslims, so people were confused by the conundrum created by then then presidential candidate. He even said CDM will favor the Chaggas. He was elected President for the second term. What I'm saying is that many people are self-determined not to be driven by CCM's propagandas that worked several years ago. I always say before you give advices to the other side, first look at your side and ask yourself, Do my side need this advice??[/FONT]

Jack, I thought you were the intelligent one here. I asked for a candidate who insulted a major tribe or a major religious group. Kikwete didn't insult anyone of them. He just made an observation about who will vote for CDM and CUF. Compare this with what Bishop Gwajima said (baptizing all Moslem sheikhs, and turning all mosques into christian Sunday schools). Really, Sir? This is what your theory-based-analysis tells you to bring it here as proof?

There are internal disputes in CCM, is January Makamba the new PR, haven't you heard how CCM's campaign team is split apart? I always tell you, before you accuse the other side, take a look at your side and ask yourself, Do my side have this problem?....May be you think people don't know or maybe you don't know……[/FONT]

There are problems in every organization. I know nothing of what is going on inside CCM, CDM or UKAWA. What I say is based purely on my external observations. This is important because I believe these crude observations are what an ordinary Tanzanian is seeing. They may be different from others but I am proud they are mine. Since they are my personal observations and not ones fed to me by institutions, I am prone to changing them. That is the freedom I have in this debate.

I get you JD. I know you don't believe me when I say I am non-partisan and that I once wanted CDM to take the helm. However, corruption is the cancer that is eating our nation from inside. We need to rout it out. I just don't think Lowasa and the current UKAWA structure can do it.

On the other hand, since CCM has been dogged so much about Mafisadi, and the fact that Magufuli is an executive (not necessarily a political charmer or wheeler-dealer), Magufuli has a better chance to see us through the next 5 years.

And you will not get your Nirvana with Lowasa either.

184 years later[/COLOR]….the point is, when you have a corrupt system to the level of Mohammad Reza Shah's Pahlavi dynasty before the 1979 Iranian revolution…you don't call for debates, you call for changes, changes that free people……

I am in the US as we speak Sir. Lots of bad things happened between 1776 and now. Do you really want us to emulate them (1776) today in the pursuit of our democracy? Kenya just did it (debate) - were they a sellout? You are a lot more intelligent than this, Sir. Think before you write.

You are really trying, but I'm sorry the is no new trick or gimmick coming from CCM…those people you call implants know the game really well, don't you think?..because they have played it before….. So, eventually CDM took some players from CCM and gave them positions in the middlefield, defense and striking, they know the weaknesses in CCM's defense, middlefield and goalkeeping and they have shared that with UKAWA. [/FONT]

Who am I to question you guys. It is your funeral. Let it rip!!!

My great grandpa told me "AKILI NI NYWELE, KILA MTU ANA ZAKE"[/FONT]

Wise guy. I would like to have a drink with him, my treat. If he is still around tell him I will be in TZ for elections. Let me know.

 

[Kifyatu]

Jack

UKAWA shouldn't pick any advices from guys with CCM cards and supporters of Magufuli, it doesn't make sense. There are videos of Muslims vowing to vote for the opposition by the reason deemed as failure of CCM to address their muslim needs. I don't understand why some muslims are so timid in that they vote purely based on the 'wisdom' of their leaders!!!!

Yero, This is you at your best. Analyst, mind changer and counter puncher. Please channel your energy doing this than debating schnooks (fools) like me. Also, constrain your sharp tongue.

If somebody argues that the political clout of CDM has decreased, then how can that person explain all these efforts and forces used to silence UKAWA and reduce their vigor, because one don't exert such extreme energy against an opponent one deems as weak. How can that person explain the large support that UKAWA has now compared to five years ago!!!

CCM is fighting back ferociously because UKAWA and CDM are formidable. Pssss. I will give you a secret. CCM are scared too.

We can't have the old CDM back, because the old CDM consisted of a group of traitors who some call thinkers such as Slaa, Zitto, Mkumbo and many others, it now clearer how self-absorbed these individuals are. The old CDM doesn't have Lowassa, who has a greater chance of winning this election. The old CDM doesn't have UKAWA, which has played a significant role in the support that opposition has as well as boosting the chances of having many opposition MPs in the parliament!!!!

I will give this response that can only be delivered better in Swahili: "USIACHE MBACHAO KWA MSWALA UPITAO"

It matters even more when people discover that such videos going viral are just made up and CCM's sponsored videos intended to scare away UKAWA voters, because affirmed with that knowledge, people will not vote cautiously but consciously!!!

That is even more important for you to fight back and diffuse this situation, starting with our leader (don't want to call him fuhrer) Lowasa.

I don't agree with people who want fools to make decisions for us, the problem is that, we have had fools making decisions for decades in this country but where have they gotten us, poor economic development!!!!

If in politics you will deal with fools all the time. If you don't want to agree or compromise with fools then you are not a candidate for a political office.

 

[Kifyatu]

Change of attitude, action and even practice depends much on the type and amount of information one gets over a period of time (it can be one day). Lowasa received adequate information about the instability of CCM and decided to change and shift to CHADEMA in comparatively short period of time. We have received signals, information, data , etc on poor performance of CCM government - development projects, corruption, lack of people participation, poverty, diseases - for many years. We ought to change for our benefits and if Lowasa is with us as it is noe, much the better!

Good one son.

I don't want to burst your bubble right now so close to the D-day.

You have a lot to learn.

See you on the other side.

 

[Kifyatu]

Jack Daniel's, if I insulted you and somebody say madam K liked the comment where I insulted you, it clearly means that Madam K has insulted you the same way that I did. And that is what this Kui lady did and she thinks it is nothing. So she began insulting me through someone else and that means she was longing to exchange those ad hominems with me.

But I'm done with that, I am happy that she support UKAWA and I have liked her comments several times. She might have learned a few new things. That should not be a distraction to this thread.

Hey yero, liking a posting says nothing about agreeing with someone. I wish they had options here that indicated:

like - content (all)
like - humor but NOT content
like - cute guy/gal but nothing else (you will probably win this one hands down, yero)
like - wit but nothing else (that probably will be me)
Should we bring in JD here yero-boy? Noooo!!

cc. Jack Daniel's, kui

 

[Kifyatu]

That guys is an outright fabulist, he is saying he is old enough to be my grandfather but if you look at his statements it is much like a high school student (no offence), according to him, he has a CCM card since 1977 which means probably he was a TANU member before and possibly he might have obtained the membership card when he was above 18 which brings him close or above 60 years old!!! can you believe that??

Yero, I am probably old enough to be your father or grandfather. I will let you figure out how old I am. I was a TANU member, then a CCM member (1977-1984). There was no CDM, CUF, nor UKAWA back in the day. All of us were CCM. Ask your parents. Then I lost interest in party politics - boring. Now that you know - sue me.

However, ideas have no age. Please don't be intimidated by how old I am. I like challenges, especially from young people like you and JD. I learn new things from young people always and that is what keeps me young too. So, don't hold back anything - remember I am grandpa.

He is saying he is a native English speaker!!! his story doesn't match that notion, at the same time he was teaching at UDSM when Magufuli attended his first year there!!! Magufuli is a month away from 56 years of age which then means our guy must be close to 80 years old!!!!!

Yes, I was a faculty member at UDSM when Magufuli joined. I then took a job in another country where I am now. I still teach, do research/consultancy and publish in my field of expertise. I haven't relinquished my citizenship, I was in TZ recently for voter registration. I intend to be there for the elections. I am your worst nightmare yero, you either work with me or burst.

Mkuu, look at his writtings, look at his insults!! he is lying, look at the way he is running away from simple questions!!!!

Yero, I am really old but I am young at heart. All my hair is white (more than that of mzee mamvi) however, my grand-kids insist on dying it black. Right now if you see me I may look younger than you or JD. (Hide your girlfriends when I come to visit you. Just kidding - remember I am grandpa).

Yero, if you look at my earlier postings in this thread you will see that I have always been civil in my responses. Even when you and JD started hurling insults at me I didn't respond in kind. I always responded with humor - grandpa style.

However, when you persisted, I wanted to teach you guys a lesson. I wanted to show you that I was also once a young person and that I can dish it out just as good as - if not better than - you can. I was a bad-ass kid back in the day. Grandpa-ship has mellowed me down, somewhat.

So, instead of fighting me, why don't we work separately BUT friendly.

You know what yero, after October 25 we will know which side of the fence you and I sit. BUT the truth remains that WE ARE ALL TANZANIANS AND ARE LOOKING FORWARD TO OUR NEW LEADER - LOWASA OR MAGUFULI.

Let us not kill each other before then - please.

kui, Jack Daniel's

 

[Sputam]

We are going to dump ccm and its failed policies soon, new life is coming, God bless Tanzanians.

 

[Kifyatu]

We are going to dump ccm and its failed policies soon, new life is coming, God bless Tanzanians.

Good luck mkuu.

 

[Kifyatu]

Hey hey yero boy.

I just wanted to compliment you on your intelligence and wit.

You know what, with your language skills (English and Swahili) and your bad-ass tongue, you can easily be in the foreign services for our country (maybe our future diplomat, ambassador, foreign minister, president, UN-secretary general?). You just have to zip your potty mouth shut for once. That is all.

I am sorry I said all those bad things about you. I just wanted to know if I still had it, you know male ego thing, - and yes I still have it.

Can we be friends, even though we are on different sides of the fence?

cc. kui, Jack Daniel's

 

[Kifyatu]

Hi Ms. kui,

Please say something. Did I offend you? I need your opinion too. yero already blasted me and that was a catharsis. Please talk to us.

 

[Jack Daniel's]

Individuals are the Mafisadis not parties as a whold. Obviously now have chosen to join CHADEMA, should we then call everyone in CHADEMA a fisadi? That will be unfair.

FISADI LOWASSA was mildly punished by all the prezs he worked for. Unfortunately, none took legal action, but am sure they all are in regret now, for not having done more to curb his ufisadi. The best that all of them eventually did was to fire him.

However, the CCM's Mwakyembe report managed to reveal the forceful nature by which the FISADI PAPA LOWASSA was using to push for the power contract to be given to the fictitious Richmond co.

Take your time and read the REPORT and Their Maoni.

Sir, I know you have the discretion but I don’t like people shunning away from imperative questions. These questions won’t go away by simply being ignored:

What’s your opinion regarding the Tsh. 265 Billion used to pay ghost debts that CAG unearthed in his report? What about the 1978 fake ferry boat that Magufuli bought for Tsh. 8 Billion?

If Magufuli wins, he will work with a network of corrupt individuals like Kinana, Ridhiwani, Tibaijuka, Muhongo, Sitta et al, is that not a concern?

I do think that everything is wrong with being rich through doing illegal businesses like Kinana’s ivory trade and Ridhiwani’s illicit drugs, don’t you think so?

If there is amity between Kikwete and Lowassa, why did Kiwete's own committee drop Lowassa's name undemocratically at the preliminary stages? Just to follow up on your answer, Can you explain why we see all these forces and besmearing insults against Lowassa? Why is he attacked so much when there is friendship existing?

When you are in CCM you are clean and you only become unclean once you are out of CCM? If your answer is YES, why should we choose a corrupt system? if the answer is NO, Why are CCM leaders and their supporters not talking about the corrupt CCM members who are in CCM right now like Chenge, Tibaijuka, Muhongo, Kinana, Ridhiwani, Kikwete, Mkapa, Mwinyi, Magufuli, Membe et al?

 

[Jack Daniel's]

Lets try again:

In politics JD there are no blacks or whites as in science. Trust me, I am a science major, if not a scientist. There are intuitions and hunches. We are talking about what to expect in TZ, in the next 5 years. No science can tell you that. Just conjectures, insights and hopes. You have to grasp this one first.

You really know less about today's politics sir, they say things have changed…. 2015 politics are far cry from that of the 80's….today's politics is based on actuality and factuality…that's why CCM is strenuously barking up the wrong tree and achieving modicum results… because their petrification strategies are no longer working, because their creed tactics have become obsolete, because their character calumniation are regarded by many as non-progressive….it is a failure to fail to wrap up around the political science….

Mkuu, I am from Tanga, a dirt poor Tangan trying to uplift my people. None of our leaders have wielded any sway in Tanzanian politics. Talking about "nyumbani" or "kaskazini" is not impressing me one bit. This is what the great NYERERE was trying to eliminate. You have a voice here in JF, Sir. Please use it constructively.

The point is, you said you adviced UKAWA to address the ‘Lutheran issue' to try saving some votes, I then asked, What advices DID you give to CCM following these statements: "mwaka huu mchagueni wa nyumbani", "bao la mkono", "Rais hawezi kutoka kaskazini", "Wapumbavu, malofa, mbumbumbu"? If you didn't provide any advices, then why would your advices be genuine to UKAWA while you can't direct them to the party that you support so they can put their ducks in a row?

Mkuu, the videos circulating are in the social media. They can only be neutralized by Hon. Lowasa alone, with UKAWA's participation. Who listens to me? Not even you listens.

What you have to understand is that there is a bunch of videos out there, there is one I saw supporting Lowassa's endeavor….they tend to counter and neutralize themselves inadvertently, that means that any shake ups that may have been created by those videos are inclined to solve themselves spontaneously…..CCM can no longer put wools over the eyes of Tanzanians……

Good for you Sir. I am agnostic myself. But in politic, perceptions are everything. Religion can be used nefariously by people to their advantage. I saw this clearly when Lowasa's video first came out, and that is why I gave that advice.

You know the good thing with perception is that it is a piece of cake to neutralize.…it takes a short time to create and subsequently takes a short time to destroy…..the rule is that a perception is killed by a perception….while there may be a whole bag of tricks with religion issues in politics it is relatively easy to sail through them in today's Tanzania…..

Agreed. Tanzanian problems first. However, how will power seekers gain control? If they can use religious discord to achieve it, they will. How do you diffuse their efforts? That is what I was talking about. Ignore me at your own peril.

That happened successfully in the election of 2005 and 2010….it is not an issue in this election…you don't have to take my word for it, listen to Kikwete, Magufuli and Kinana's remarks…..they always say how different things have changed…..how people cannot understand them…..

Jack, I thought you were the intelligent one here. I asked for a candidate who insulted a major tribe or a major religious group. Kikwete didn't insult anyone of them. He just made an observation about who will vote for CDM and CUF. Compare this with what Bishop Gwajima said (baptizing all Moslem sheikhs, and turning all mosques into christian Sunday schools). Really, Sir? This is what your theory-based-analysis tells you to bring it here as proof?

I'm sorry for making your flesh crawl….I did examine your statement with a fine tooth comb before replying, and Kikwete fits the answer perfectly well….he said in Mtwara in 2010 that CDM was too Christian and CUF were terrorists….that's what people heard straight from the horse's mouth……that worked well for him but just in the same region five years later people are standing up and saying enough is enough……

Bishop Gwajima is not a presidential candidate and he has never been, your question was not based on remarks of bishops, priests or reverends….

There are problems in every organization. I know nothing of what is going on inside CCM, CDM or UKAWA. What I say is based purely on my external observations. This is important because I believe these crude observations are what an ordinary Tanzanian is seeing. They may be different from others but I am proud they are mine. Since they are my personal observations and not ones fed to me by institutions, I am prone to changing them. That is the freedom I have in this debate.

If you know nothing about what is transpiring in CCM and UKAWA/CDM blocks, then you can't make any informed analysis. That's actually explains why you can't understand simple things recently happening in Tanzanian politics.

I get you JD. I know you don't believe me when I say I am non-partisan and that I once wanted CDM to take the helm. However, corruption is the cancer that is eating our nation from inside. We need to rout it out. I just don't think Lowasa and the current UKAWA structure can do it.

On the other hand, since CCM has been dogged so much about Mafisadi, and the fact that Magufuli is an executive (not necessarily a political charmer or wheeler-dealer), Magufuli has a better chance to see us through the next 5 years.

Then how about CCM where 99% of the team is corrupt (statements from Kinana, Magufuli and others speak volumes)….How are they structured to do it?.....How can you explain Tsh.262 Billion that disappeared in paying ghost debts at Magufuli's ministry?.....How do you explain a fake ferry boat of 1978 he bought for Tsh. 8 Billion?....

How do you explain his poor decision that has cost this nation taxpayers' money for example, apprehension of foreign fishermen in the international waters?, Dismantling of petrol stations? Etc…..

And you will not get your Nirvana with Lowasa either.

By now you should know that I only deal with FACTS and not FICTIONS…..

I am in the US as we speak Sir. Lots of bad things happened between 1776 and now. Do you really want us to emulate them (1776) today in the pursuit of our democracy? Kenya just did it (debate) - were they a sellout? You are a lot more intelligent than this, Sir. Think before you write.

The point I was trying to make was that democracy is a process, and in countries like Tanzania democracy is often strangled by the ruling party that has been there for five decades.....Tanzanian have got to enjoy the fruits of multi-partism in that context.....

I'm surprised you brought Kenya as an example here, a country that has scored less points in Transparency International's ranking……that's why I said that when you have a corrupt system to the level of Mohammad Reza Shah's dynasty before the 1979 Islamic revolution…you don't call for debates, you call for changes, changes that free people……

Who am I to question you guys. It is your funeral. Let it rip!!!

I know you like flinging yourself into your unfounded disaster theory, but you've already said you don't know a lot of things....so in this discussion, I'll have to drop you from an individual of level B to level D……somebody who knows less…..By the way, Level A means a reasonable person making informed analysis….someone who can look on the brighter side…..

Wise guy. I would like to have a drink with him, my treat. If he is still around tell him I will be in TZ for elections. Let me know.

No he is not around. During his time, he was tired of CCM in all its forms……

 

[yero]

Yero, This is you at your best. Analyst, mind changer and counter puncher. Please channel your energy doing this than debating schnooks (fools) like me. Also, constrain your sharp tongue.

It is good that you know that you are a complete schlub. Don’t tell me anything about horse sense

CCM is fighting back ferociously because UKAWA and CDM are formidable. Pssss. I will give you a secret. CCM are scared too.

See, you don’t even understand yourself, this is what I talking about, you should be consistent, you said CDM & UKAWA are weak and are easy opponent to CCM, surprisingly now they are formidable and that CCM are scared. Does this have anything to do with a deteriorating memory of our grand pa?

I will give this response that can only be delivered better in Swahili: "USIACHE MBACHAO KWA MSWALA UPITAO"

Our political environment have changed, the strategies and people to win an election have to change, we can’t just rely on people dragging us back, we've got to let them go and have people committed to moving us forward. Change is an essence of progress.

That is even more important for you to fight back and diffuse this situation, starting with our leader (don't want to call him fuhrer) Lowasa.

I think Magufuli needs to do that more than others.

If in politics you will deal with fools all the time. If you don't want to agree or compromise with fools then you are not a candidate for a political office.

Why should I agree with a fool and take their foolish ideas into action? that will definitely produce foolish results. Kikwete is a foolish person with foolish ideas surrounded by foolish people and that has brought this nation to this foolish level of economic development.

 

[yero]

Hey yero, liking a posting says nothing about agreeing with someone. I wish they had options here that indicated:

like - content (all)
like - humor but NOT content
like - cute guy/gal but nothing else (you will probably win this one hands down, yero)
like - wit but nothing else (that probably will be me)

You can't speak of what was in some else mind unless that person utters the words for him/herself. If one continues to walk on the same path without hesitation then that can explain an intention to insult.

 

[yero]

TAKUKURU report was BS, as their boss, Dr. Hosea, was one of those 'MTANDAO PLANTs'. Lowassa & Hosea are school mates and the former helped the later get into TAKUKURU top job. Hosea was therefore paying back favor to LOWASSA by blocking a legitimate corruption report in favor of a bogus alternative. The Bunge report condemned the act and demanded investigation/punishment for the TAKUKURU boss. He retaliated by trying to investigate wabunge's posho...remember that?

Unfortunately JK was too soft/friendly to Lowassa and decided to push the report under the carpet. Here is how it was reported by Dr. Mwakyembe:

Due to of its inscrutability, Richmond scandal was to be brought back to the parliament for a discussion but Sitta, the then Speaker, disallowed that possibly in order to bury the new stuffs that were supposed to be revealed and that was after Lowassa had resigned!!!!

JK was not soft on anybody, the truth is that his dubious deal was in the open and he wanted someone like his PM to take the blame for it. People like Lissu, Sumaye are saying publicly that Kikwete is the mastermind of Richmond and no legal action is taken against them, does this get through your thick skulls that he has everything to do with it?

He tried again successfully with Simba Trust during Escrow scandal and he wanted others to take the blame for it, only this time, the state house had to ‘clean’ everyone because they were too many despite being implicated by the Parliamentary committee!!!

Ignore Said Kubenea. He's just another 'Mganga Njaa'. Don't believe in anything he pretends to 'secretly' have knowledge of

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Kubenea’s newpaper called MwanaHalisi revealed to us that the person who led the operation that nearly killed Dr. Ulimboka is Ramadhani Ighondu (TISS official) and just in a few weeks later his newpaper’s licence was revoked. MwanaHalisi’s license was reinstated this year following a court decision that found the government of CCM guilty of wrongdoings. Very few journalists can publish reports on evils done by State house under CCM!!!!

This tells you how there is no freedom of press and speech under CCM. Kubenea said there were two Richmond scandal reports and that Mwakyembe knows that, but until now neither Mwakyembe nor January or Nape, Kikwete has come out to refute those claims!!!

The Richmond Report is online at Bunge and even at World Bank Website. Read it yourself. Utapeli & UFISADI wa LOWASSA is not a secret to anyone wishing to read.

Try to understand, the question is not what is in the report, the question is what is not in the report that Mwakyembe said if could have been included could have dissolved the whole government!!! I’m questioning what he said but decided not include in his report for the reasons above!!!

Richmond to Dowans is like buying a stolen watch. Unless the owner decides to make a follow up, the buyer is basically not a thief. They used Dowans to clean up the scandal cos some money was already consumed. Kikwete was an obstacle into getting a solution to this scandal. He was more concerned about helping his pal, Lowassa, survive the onslaught than becoming a respected and trusted president.

Kikwete is not just an obstacle, he is the chief guy here. Why are we still paying Billions to a company that the government think is an illegal company? , that is eight years since Lowassa abdicated. This is not about helping, we are stating the obvious here where Kikwete orchestrated everything!!!!

 

[Kubwajinga]

Sir, I know you have the discretion but I don't like people shunning away from imperative questions. These questions won't go away by simply being ignored:

What's your opinion regarding the Tsh. 265 Billion used to pay ghost debts that CAG unearthed in his report? What about the 1978 fake ferry boat that Magufuli bought for Tsh. 8 Billion?

If Magufuli wins, he will work with a network of corrupt individuals like Kinana, Ridhiwani, Tibaijuka, Muhongo, Sitta et al, is that not a concern?

You need to differentiate Rumors and Facts. Not Necessarily that Magufuli will work with corrupt pple. eg. very few in Mkapa's govt were brought up into JK's.

I do think that everything is wrong with being rich through doing illegal businesses like Kinana's ivory trade and Ridhiwani's illicit drugs, don't you think so?

If there is amity between Kikwete and Lowassa, why did Kiwete's own committee drop Lowassa's name undemocratically at the preliminary stages? Just to follow up on your answer, Can you explain why we see all these forces and besmearing insults against Lowassa? Why is he attacked so much when there is friendship existing?

When you are in CCM you are clean and you only become unclean once you are out of CCM? If your answer is YES, why should we choose a corrupt system? if the answer is NO, Why are CCM leaders and their supporters not talking about the corrupt CCM members who are in CCM right now like Chenge, Tibaijuka, Muhongo, Kinana, Ridhiwani, Kikwete, Mkapa, Mwinyi, Magufuli, Membe et al?

No one said being rich is bad. However, how you got your riches matters. Lowassa got his riches through rushwa.

 

[Jack Daniel's]

[/COLOR]You need to differentiate Rumors and Facts. Not Necessarily that Magufuli will work with corrupt pple. eg. very few in Mkapa's govt were brought up into JK's.




No one said being rich is bad. However, how you got your riches matters. Lowassa got his riches through rushwa.

Chief, how can you call CAG's report a rumour?....FYI, CAG report is never a rumour.....get that....Magufuli needs to tell us where the money is......

Kinana (CCM's secretary) doing illegal ivory business through his company, Ridhiwani (Incumbent President's son) getting involved in drugs.....Chenge saying Tsh. 1 Billion is just a few cents, Tibaijuka saying Tsh. 10 Million is simply for food shopping..... Kikwete saying funds which were in Escrow Account were not government's and the list goes on........CCM's top, middle and bottom leaders including Magufuli have been getting richer through corruption....shouldn't that be a concern?

 

[kui]

Hey yero, liking a posting says nothing about agreeing with someone. I wish they had options here that indicated:

like - content (all)
like - humor but NOT content
like - cute guy/gal but nothing else (you will probably win this one hands down, yero)
like - wit but nothing else (that probably will be me...

..I wish they had a word to word like!, so someone can understand berra the whole point of liking someone else's comments, nevertheless, I don't a see a problem with criticism. That's where we see the other side of ourselves. I didn't like, and I don't like ccm ideas, it was some parts of your comments that I thought UKAWA could make use of, to up their game and make Lowassa a viable candidate...

Am out on this, don't want cry - babies to start scream INSULTS!

 

[kui]

Mkuu Kifyatu from your posts above, seems like you're a hard core ccm fan and I'm surprised how you even gave Ukawa a second thought.

The way I see ccm, it's like an abusive, cheater, inconsiderate husband who keeps coming back for forgiveness every now and then, and what do we do?, we keep forgiving him and give him more chances years after years ( I guess tumelishwa limbwata)

One thing you haven't convinced me on, and would like to know is what do you think ccm will do to change, you had a lay out of Ukawa weaknesses so what about CCM's strength?!, is there anything that we haven't heard from them?!, cause all they're doing is pee on us, then tell us it's raining outside.