Uchochezi wa Mohamed Said na dhihaka kwa Wapigania Uhuru wa Tanganyika na Zanzibar

[WildCard]

Insha Allah,Kuna mtu alimsema vibaya Malima.Mimi nikamwambia marehemu atajibukutoka kaburini.Niliweka kitu.Jamvi zima likawa kimyaaaaaa!Jambo niloweka lilikuwa zito nanilitegemea maswali.Kimya hadi leo.

Unanikumbusha kinara wa kitabu chako, Abdu Kleist, alivyokaa kimya baada ya kuangushwa na Mwalimu kwenye uchaguzi wa Rais wa KWANZA wa TANU hadi alipokwenda kaburini 1968. Wewe ndio umekuja kumsemea na kumtilia UDINI mwingi akilini mwake miaka 30 baada ya kifo chake. Ukasimama upande wake, ukataka na Mwalimu asimame upande wa pili ili mzipige kavukavu.

 

[THE BIG SHOW]

Big show kulikoni
Mkubwa?
Dawa ni kujua kampuni inayochapa, vikitolewa kiwandani tu, vinunue vyote na viunguze.
Ingawa huenda ukamtajirisha Mwandidhi zaidi, si atachapisha vingine!

Sawa Sawa,
Hiyo ndiyo dawa yake..!
lakini hata hivyo huyo si mtu wa kumpa trust yetu,mimi huwa namuita chakubimbi wa hoja na yeye mwenyewe huwa anakiri hilo,
tokea tumeanza kumpigia vuvuzela la kumwambia akailete ile hotuba kutoka TBC hadi leo hajatimiza ahadi hiyo sembuse ahadi ya kitabu?huyo ni mtu mufilisi tuh..

 

[Ritz]

Assalam Aleykum.

Attitude can take away your beauty no matter how good looking you are or it could enhance your beauty, making you adorable.

Cc.. gombesugu,

 

[Nguruvi3]

Nimejaribu kupitia hoja za bwana JF, pamoja na kuangalia maelezo ya bwana Mohammed Said,pia nimekisoma kitabu cha bwana Mohamed Said,(MAISHA NA NYAKATI ZA ABDULWAHID SYKES 1924-1968) nilichokiona mimi,nimeona hoja za msingi ambazo bwana Mohamed Said amesimamia na katika hiki kitabu chake utangundua mambo mengi juu ya udhaifu wa hoistoria ya Tanganyika.Pamoja na hayo yote bwana JF anaonekana ni mtu asieweza kutoa hoja kwani kila jambo yeye analifananisha na waislam wa Somalia,nataka nimsaidie kitu kwamba kuna tofauti ya muislam na uislam, kama vile tunavyoona baadhi ya makanisa Marekani yakiruhusu ushoga na kufungisha ndoa mashoga,mimi naamini hili ni matakwa yao wala halifungamani na mafundisho ya kikristo, na hatuwezi kwamba hapa napo wanaruhusu ufedhuli kama huo,kwa maana hiyo kama bwana JF hajui chanzo cha migogoro ya watu wa Somalia ni vizuri atafute ukweli wa chanzo cha machafuko ya Somalia,then ndio aweze kutoa mifano hai inayolandana....

Kwanza kabisa niseme najibu kama Nguruvi kwasababu sijui bwana JF ni nani. JF inawachama zaidi 50,000.

Umesema vizuri sana kuwa kuna Uislam na Waislam. Waislam wanaweza kuwa waumini au waislam kama jina.
Bwana Barubaru ana kauli yake ninayoipenda sana. Si kila mwislam ni muumini lakini kila muumini ni mwislam.

Kwa mantiki yako Mohamed Said ni Mwislam lakini si kila asemacho ni Uislam. Sheikh Amir alikuwa Mwislam kwahiyo kama kulikuwa na tatizo ni Nyerere basi ni Amir na Nyerere na wala si ukristo na Uislam kama ulivyoanisha vema sana.

Na hakika tukushukuru sana baadhi yetu kwa kuliona hilo. Ndiyo maana tunasema kila siku kuwa Historia ya Tanganyika ni ya Watanganyika na wala si Waislam ingawa katika Utanganyika kuna waislam, wakristo, wasioamini na wapagani.
Sasa ukikubali kuwa kuna Uislam na Waislam basi utakubaliana nasi kuwa harakati za uhuru zilichangiwa na waislam na siyo Uislam kama ambavyo zilichangiwa na jamii nyingine.

Kuhusu Somalia, nadhani unakosa mantiki ya wachangiaji wengi. Suala la Mohamed ni kuwa Uislam unashambuliwa kwa kuwashambulia Waislam. That being the case, tunasema si kweli kwasababu hata kule ambako Uislam ni 99 au 100% bado kumekuwa na matatizo na hapa ni mfano wa Somalia.

Kwamba, wao baada ya kuwa waislam kwa zaidi ya 90% bado hilo halikufanikiwa kuwanunganisha kwasababu ndani yake hakuna Uislam kuna waislam ambao hawakuzingatia Uislam na hivyo kutafuta sababu zingine na kujigawa katika koo.

Kwa mukatadha huo wanaiangalia Somalia nje kama waislam, wakibaki wenyewe wanasahau Uislam wanakimbilia Koo zao na hapo ndipo hoja ya Uislam na Uumini inapoingia. Mimi binafsi nimefuatilia historia ya Somalia na utashangaa nikikuambia habari nyingi za Bosaso ambako ni mji unaofanana sana na Dar es Salaam.

Mohamed, naye kaanza hilo kwa kusema ni waislam. Halafu anawagwa waislam wa Dar es Salaam, kisha anamalizia waislam Wazulu, wanubi na Wamanyema. Ndio Maana hataki kumtaja Ali Ramadhani Mndengereko kwasababu anatumia kalam yake kwanza kama Mwislam kwa namna ile ile ya Somalia.

Halafu anasema wa Dar es Salaam kama wasomali wanavyosema wa Mogadishu, Baidoa na Bosaso. Halafu anasema wanubi, Wamanyema na Wazulu kama ambavyo wasomali wanasema wasengeli na wabaidoa. Ndio mantiki ya kuingia kwa hoja ya Somalia.

Ni kwasababu ulizotoa, Mohamed hana haki wala sababu ya yeye kuwa Uislam na Waislam,anayo haki ya kuwa muislam na uislam kama yeye na si kama jamii. Ni makosa kufikiri kuwa maandishi yake ambayo yamejaa upotoshaji wa kina na dhahiri ni maandishi ya waislam. Uislam unasimama kama dini ukiwa na miongozo yake na wala hauhitaji chapuo la mtu.

Endapo umesoma ''historia'' ya Mohamed na kujiridhisha sana kuwa ndiyo yenyewe, hiyo ni haki yako na wala hakuna mwenye haki ya kuhoji haki yako. Lakini basi haki yako ina mapaka, usitake kuaminisha wengine haki yako kama ndiyo haki ya watu wote.

Na hii ni fursa nzuri sana kwako kumfahamisha Mohamed kuwa anapoongea kama waislam ni makosa kwasababu ndani ya waislam kuna waislam na waumini sasa anaongelea kundi gani, kwa capacity gani aliyopewa na nani?

NB
**Usisahau kutafuta phrase na spelling for spinning**

 

[WildCard]

Nguruvi3,Mzee Mohamed Said asingeingiza UISLAM kwenye kitabu kile, angepata taabu sana kukiuza. Angemuuzia nani? UUngwaji mkono alionao sasa humu JF na kwingineko ni kwa sababu ya UISLAM alioubambika mle. Angemwelezea Abdu peke yake angebaki nacho kitabu kile yeye mwenyewe. Abdu hakuwa na umaarufu mkubwa zaidi ya mdogo wake ambaye amepata kuwa balozi wetu huko Ulaya. Mzee Mohamed ni msanii wa kweli.

 

[Ritz]

Nguruvi3,Mzee Mohamed Said asingeingiza UISLAM kwenye kitabu kile, angepata taabu sana kukiuza. Angemuuzia nani? UUngwaji mkono alionao sasa humu JF na kwingineko ni kwa sababu ya UISLAM alioubambika mle. Angemwelezea Abdu peke yake angebaki nacho kitabu kile yeye mwenyewe. Abdu hakuwa na umaarufu mkubwa zaidi ya mdogo wake ambaye amepata kuwa balozi wetu huko Ulaya. Mzee Mohamed ni msanii wa kweli.

WildCard,

Ndugu yangu habari za masiku, naona wanajamvi wengi wamejipinda kweli kweli kuandika vitabu Yericko kaja na kitabu cha ugaidi kipo ubalozi wa Marekani.

Mwanakijiji yeye kaja na hiki kitabu umeishapata nakala yako.

 

[THE BIG SHOW]

Assalam Aleykum.

Attitude can take away your beauty no matter how good looking you are or it could enhance your beauty, making you adorable.

Waleykhum Salaaam,


Cc.. gombesugu,

Waleykhum Salaam Warahmatullah..
Wape leso,wape leso.,
Me nazid kuwapandisha suruali zao juu wafia dini...

 

[THE BIG SHOW]

WildCard,

Ndugu yangu habari za masiku, naona wanajamvi wengi wamejipinda kweli kweli kuandika vitabu Yericko kaja na kitabu cha ugaidi kipo ubalozi wa Marekani.

Mwanakijiji yeye kaja na hiki kitabu umeishapata nakala yako.

Rits,
Mimi nimekipata hicho kitabu,kwa kweli huyo Mzee akili zake zitakuwa zina hitilafu kidogo,
Hata jeuri ya kuvaa viatu vya shigongo hana,atawezea vipi kumwingia Moh Said?
Ati anasema maheruhi wa mapenzi,,anahubiri mapenzi?
Katika nchi maskini?inashika nafasi za mikiani duniani,then jitu lije kuhubiri mapenz kweli?
Ukiona mtu mzima kama huyo kaamua kuyanadi mapenzi wazi wazi na kuacha mambo ya msingi ya nchi hii,inabid ujiulize mara mbili mbili sana,.
Amekosa haya huyo mzee..

 

[Boko haram]

Rits,
Mimi nimekipata hicho kitabu,kwa kweli huyo Mzee akili zake zitakuwa zina hitilafu kidogo,
Hata jeuri ya kuvaa viatu vya shigongo hana,atawezea vipi kumwingia Moh Said?
Ati anasema maheruhi wa mapenzi,,anahubiri mapenzi?
Katika nchi maskini?inashika nafasi za mikiani duniani,then jitu lije kuhubiri mapenz kweli?
Ukiona mtu mzima kama huyo kaamua kuyanadi mapenzi wazi wazi na kuacha mambo ya msingi ya nchi hii,inabid ujiulize mara mbili mbili sana,.
Amekosa haya huyo mzee..

Ha ha haa THE BIG SHOW umenifurahisha sana nasubiri mzee MWANAKIJIJI atupe ngano zake za mapenzi.

 

[Wickama]

That Sheikh Mohammed Said, "mchochezi,analeta dhihaka kwa Historia ya Kivukoni na ni hatari kwa amani na usalama wa nchi",mumbo jambo is for the birds. So far we have not see anything to suggest that ridiculous claim.

We've witness The Escape Route,meticulously delivered by The Big Show a.k.a The King Of kings tracing some core issues facing Muslims in this country today. Popular knowledge of this has been prevented by Politicians and the Government lies for too long. The situation and reality on the ground is a mess,a mere pack of cards on wobbly ground,teetering over an abyss of "artificial created peace and harmony" at the expense of many among Muslim population. The Government and Politicians from all political spectrum know this situation is unsustainable.
Surely,it is very convinient for the Politicians,the Government and others in here to be selective of historical facts and memories.
Colonists constructed barriers on social and economic development,education and many other stuff against and mainly on Muslims or Muslim populated/dominated areas for their own nasty selfish white supremacy reasons. And now everyone must bear the consequence.
The Government in this country have been against others but mainly Muslim population for years,and in many ways still is,if you know any better.

Again, how is Sheikh Mohammed Said is putting hate on hate!? Muslims/Sheikh Mohammed Said didn't create the conditions of hate in Tanzania,he is just the product of them and just reacting to them responsibly.
Majority of Muslims were put through a process of allienation and marginalized from social and economic mainstream for decades.The process has never been reversed effectively.

Although,some people like to think that was a long time ago,lets sweep it under the rug and move on. It is not that simple. In most Muslim dominated/populated areas; almost zero social and economic mobility, systematic depravation of quality education ,blockage of strategic position in many key Government Institutes and many other issues as discussed here,it doesn't solve anything.
It is an insidious,yet very sophisticated method of control that conditions majority of Muslim population in this country to accept others dominance over their lives by misleading them to believe that they are now themselves their own worst enemies.

This is similar kind of method Colonists used against Wazee wetu. To the detriment of many Muslims in Tanzania,this method has been an extremely effective.

It would be a catastrophe of Biblical proportion and distortion of historical facts if one is to try and write any "other history" with regard to Tanganyika independence struggle without recognise and acknowledge the importance of Mzizizma and that vital role its people/Wazee wetu played and sacrificed during that vicious colonial struggle(ofcourse majority of them were "Waswahili").

Naona kuna baadhi ya jamaa hapa wanajaribu kwa hali na mali na ujasiri uso mfano,kuonyesha kuwa madai ya wananchi wenzao/ Wailsam aidha ni dhaifu,hayana ufumbuzi au ni yao "wenyewe kwa wenyewe" na ati suluhu iwe baina yao. Kuna wengine nao ndo kabisa hawakubali kuwa hata kuwa kuna tatizo lolote au karaha hapo nchini dhidi ya Waislam,na kuwa Wailsam/wananchi wenzao inalazim japo wasikilizwe na wana haki hiyo. Nafikiri hawa ndio wapo kinyume hata na Rais wao Bw. W. Mkapa na Serikali yake. Ambaye alikubali japo kwa shingo upande kuwa kuna tatizo/dhiki hapo nchini dhidi ya Waislam. Infact, their hidden agenda and motives outweigh sense of objectivity and naturally diminish their entire credibility.
Katika moja ya bayana zangu hapo awali naliwahi uliza; "wawajuaje kunguni wa kitanda sichokilala"!?

I know for fact,some of us don't need to rely entirely on corrupt minded patronising Politicians to educate us about our history.
Naona hapa quotations nyingi saana na "researches" takriban zoote zimetokea kwa "wataalam" wa kizungu!? Inasikitisha mpaka leo karne ya 21 bado tuna tegemezi kubwa pita kiasi kwa hawa jamaa,na yaelekea bado tunaamini mno kila wasemalo. Wallahi staajabu inakuja pale wanapojaribu kutufunda na kutujuza "wenzetu" tunawadhararu na kuwakatisha tamaa pasi kiasi! Hawa wazungu si ndo haohao walokuja na Bible mikononi na kutuambia tufumbe macho tusali kwa pamoja;kutahamaki wakasafisha Afrika yoote mpaka na watu!?

As for Sheikh Mohammed Said and others keep mentioning of Mzizima,Kariakoo na Wazee wetu,on and on and on. I can imagine it must be pretty tiring and boring! I'm sorry, but it's an undeniable historical fact that Mzizima/Kariakoo,for many historical factors happened to be a vital political hub during that era. It's an unescapable predicament. And would be social and political illiterate for anyone to deny or acknowledge fully this historical link/connection between Mzizizima,Wazee wetu,Kariakoo with the either formation of TA,TAA,TANU or either colonial struggle.
Why most of them appeared to be Muslims!?I f it were me I wouldn't loose sleep over it. As it never cross my mind before,unless if you are mdini/mfia dini!

Lakini hii haimaanishi ati huko mikoani/vijijini hakukuwa na Wazee wetu wengine walojishughulisha na kujitoa muhanga mkubwa na hizo harakati za madhalimu wa kikoloni;tena wake kwa waume toka tamaduni,rangi,matabaka na dini mbalimbali. Naona hata Sheikh Mohammed Said kajitahidi saana kuwataja kitabuni mwake.

Ahsantani.


Ps: I'm only responsible for what I say/write. I'm not responsible for what you understand.

Gombesugu, you are a good writer/narrator. It seems to me you have not travelled widely in this country and hence your complains about muslims dominated areas being behind in infrastructure and social services compared to (i suppose?) christian dominated areas. Bagamoyo is a muslim dominated area. Will you say with due honesty that it is behind Rorya in terms of infrastructure? Gombesugu, while the bulk of Tanga was serviced with good and passable roads, ask their fellows from Sumbawanga, Tunduru who had to walk for miles to a road. The first time i saw a house with makuti roof but with electricity was in Tanga and i was shocked because in most upcountry areas, you just cant get similar favour, your house had to have an iron roof before you talked of power. It also seems you have not followed the spirit of the conversation all along. What we are saying is simple. This is life, MOVE on. We have also shown examples of muslim communities who have moved along and are making it. We have also shown a number of muslim schools which with serious management are already among the best performers in the country.

Lets face it. The spirit of your essay is that you actually have in mind the coastal areas like Tanga, Coast, i doubt if you seriously consider Mtwara and Lindi at par. I challenge you to name any other UPCOUNTRY location for which your essay is directed. Certainly not Kamachumu, Kyella, Mpwapwa, Machame or Kibuyi (if at all you know it). Your essay sounded like you had only wanted to deliver what they call a "sucker-punch" to some side in this discussion and then you go home a "hero"and a good friend of some people. You have miscalculated.

Now lets face the central issue here, if the reward of WAZEE WAKO assisting in the struggle for independence is that YOU Gombesugu and company should be made commissioners of police with adequate literacy for that position the answer is NO. If you think buying a bicycle for Nyerere in the 1950s is already a price for you to become an attorney general withoul any legal school we say NO. If it was a battery, it has long expired!!!. What we say is that educate your chldren to enable become more competetive in the job market. And that must be done fast because somewhere, we shall open doors for all East African people to come. You will then watch as kenyans and rwandese take positions and land parcels while you still live in the past. If you think all muslims must enjoin hands with you in dissuading families in this country from working hard and educating their children with hard work instead they should all climb the podium and and become lamenters and ridiculers we also say NO. Do it alone. Other people have different priorities with their time.

In the final analysis you Gombesugu based on your WASWAHILI analysis and a bunch of many concealed others are just a discriminatory lot. Because, experience worldwide has shown that if the opportunities you are currently craving for are FAVOURED to you (which itself is unconstitutional), you will turn onto discriminating fellow muslims (shia, wahabi, ahamadiya etc) and believe me much as Kadogoo has inputted so much good stuff here, he will be among the first muslims to suffer at your hands by not COMING from a purely SWAHILI bloodline.

Not least, am totally differing to your prophecy of doom based on your shallow analysis. I see no catastrophy here Gombesugu. We only see a gradual reduction of your likes in the blood stream of this country as you age and your current followers realize they had been stupified. And like anyother disease which exists slowly from a body you shall find us full of patience while we witness your exit and live us enjoying life with our muslims friends whom we happily escort to maulids and non muslim neighbors and schools. Time is of essence here.

 

[Nguruvi3]

Nguruvi3,Mzee Mohamed Said asingeingiza UISLAM kwenye kitabu kile, angepata taabu sana kukiuza. Angemuuzia nani? UUngwaji mkono alionao sasa humu JF na kwingineko ni kwa sababu ya UISLAM alioubambika mle. Angemwelezea Abdu peke yake angebaki nacho kitabu kile yeye mwenyewe. Abdu hakuwa na umaarufu mkubwa zaidi ya mdogo wake ambaye amepata kuwa balozi wetu huko Ulaya. Mzee Mohamed ni msanii wa kweli.

Na sasa anamsingizia Malima. Mohamed wapi bandiko lako ambalo jamvi halikujibu?
Najiuliza hivi watu wangepuuza na kukaa kimya kuhusu mada Mohamed leo angesema nini!!!

Mohamed, lete bandiko kama hatuna hoja jamvi litakaa kimya. Umeleta mabandiko mengi ya Malima lipi hasa unalo dhani ndilo ''alijibu kutoka kaburini'' ambalo halijaguswa

 

[Ritz]

Yericko Nyerere,

Nimesoma vipande vya kitabu chako ulichobandika humu jamvini kuhusu ugaidi sijui hizo ngano utamuuzia nani.

Hujui chochote kuhusu al-Qaida network hujui nani alianzisha hilo kundi huwezi kutaja habari za al-Qaida bila kuwataja Ayman Al-Zawahir, Mohamed Atta, Satam Al Suqami, Hani Hanjour, Said Bahaji, Fayez Ahmed, Majed Moqed.

Hawa nimekutajia kwa uchache tu wewe unaangaika na bin Laden wakati kuna vichwa muhimu huvijui.

Yericko, hizo anga huwezi kupaa ngoja takupa darsa kuhusu Al-Qaida.

 

[Nguruvi3]

Nguruvi,
Unaikumbuka ile list yangu?

Hapana sikumbuki, nikumbushe tafadhali

 

[Mag3]

That Sheikh Mohammed Said, "mchochezi,analeta dhihaka kwa Historia ya Kivukoni na ni hatari kwa amani na usalama wa nchi",mumbo jambo is for the birds. So far we have not see anything to suggest that ridiculous claim.

We've witness The Escape Route,meticulously delivered by The Big Show a.k.a The King Of kings tracing some core issues facing Muslims in this country today. Popular knowledge of this has been prevented by Politicians and the Government lies for too long. The situation and reality on the ground is a mess,a mere pack of cards on wobbly ground,teetering over an abyss of "artificial created peace and harmony"at the expense of many among Muslim population. The Government and Politicians from all political spectrum know this situation is unsustainable.
Surely,it is very convinient for the Politicians,the Government and others in here to be selective of historical facts and memories.
Colonists constructed barriers on social and economic development,education and many other stuff against and mainly on Muslims or Muslim populated/dominated areas for their own nasty selfish white supremacy reasons. And now everyone must bear the consequence.
The Government in this country have been against others but mainly Muslim population for years,and in many ways still is,if you know any better.

Again, how is Sheikh Mohammed Said is putting hate on hate!? Muslims/Sheikh Mohammed Said didn't create the conditions of hate in Tanzania,he is just the product of them and just reacting to them responsibly.
Majority of Muslims were put through a process of allienation and marginalized from social and economic mainstream for decades.The process has never been reversed effectively.

Although,some people like to think that was a long time ago,lets sweep it under the rug and move on. It is not that simple. In most Muslim dominated/populated areas; almost zero social and economic mobility, systematic depravation of quality education ,blockage of strategic position in many key Government Institutes and many other issues as discussed here,it doesn't solve anything.
It is an insidious,yet very sophisticated method of control that conditions majority of Muslim population in this country to accept others dominance over their lives by misleading them to believe that they are now themselves their own worst enemies.

This is similar kind of method Colonists used against Wazee wetu. To the detriment of many Muslims in Tanzania,this method has been an extremely effective.

It would be a catastrophe of Biblical proportion and distortion of historical facts if one is to try and write any "other history" with regard to Tanganyika independence struggle without recognise and acknowledge the importance of Mzizizma and that vital role its people/Wazee wetu played and sacrificed during that vicious colonial struggle(ofcourse majority of them were "Waswahili").

Naona kuna baadhi ya jamaa hapa wanajaribu kwa hali na mali na ujasiri uso mfano,kuonyesha kuwa madai ya wananchi wenzao/ Wailsam aidha ni dhaifu,hayana ufumbuzi au ni yao "wenyewe kwa wenyewe" na ati suluhu iwe baina yao. Kuna wengine nao ndo kabisa hawakubali kuwa hata kuwa kuna tatizo lolote au karaha hapo nchini dhidi ya Waislam,na kuwa Wailsam/wananchi wenzao inalazim japo wasikilizwe na wana haki hiyo. Nafikiri hawa ndio wapo kinyume hata na Rais wao Bw. W. Mkapa na Serikali yake. Ambaye alikubali japo kwa shingo upande kuwa kuna tatizo/dhiki hapo nchini dhidi ya Waislam. Infact, their hidden agenda and motives outweigh sense of objectivity and naturally diminish their entire credibility.
Katika moja ya bayana zangu hapo awali naliwahi uliza; "wawajuaje kunguni wa kitanda sichokilala"!?

I know for fact,some of us don't need to rely entirely on corrupt minded patronising Politicians to educate us about our history.
Naona hapa quotations nyingi saana na "researches" takriban zoote zimetokea kwa "wataalam" wa kizungu!? Inasikitisha mpaka leo karne ya 21 bado tuna tegemezi kubwa pita kiasi kwa hawa jamaa,na yaelekea bado tunaamini mno kila wasemalo. Wallahi staajabu inakuja pale wanapojaribu kutufunda na kutujuza "wenzetu" tunawadhararu na kuwakatisha tamaa pasi kiasi! Hawa wazungu si ndo haohao walokuja na Bible mikononi na kutuambia tufumbe macho tusali kwa pamoja;kutahamaki wakasafisha Afrika yoote mpaka na watu!?

As for Sheikh Mohammed Said and others keep mentioning of Mzizima,Kariakoo na Wazee wetu,on and on and on. I can imagine it must be pretty tiring and boring! I'm sorry, but it's an undeniable historical fact that Mzizima/Kariakoo,for many historical factors happened to be a vital political hub during that era. It's an unescapable predicament. And would be social and political illiterate for anyone to deny or acknowledge fully this historical link/connection between Mzizizima,Wazee wetu,Kariakoo with the either formation of TA,TAA,TANU or either colonial struggle.
Why most of them appeared to be Muslims!?I f it were me I wouldn't loose sleep over it. As it never cross my mind before,unless if you are mdini/mfia dini!

Lakini hii haimaanishi ati huko mikoani/vijijini hakukuwa na Wazee wetu wengine walojishughulisha na kujitoa muhanga mkubwa na hizo harakati za madhalimu wa kikoloni;tena wake kwa waume toka tamaduni,rangi,matabaka na dini mbalimbali. Naona hata Sheikh Mohammed Said kajitahidi saana kuwataja kitabuni mwake.

Ahsantani.


Ps: I'm only responsible for what I say/write. I'm not responsible for what you understand.

gombesugu, jaribu kupoa kidogo usije ukachemka. Baada ya hii post yako, sasa naweza kukiri kwa mbali kwamba naanza kukuelewa. Hata hivyo nina ombi kwako, tulia uipitie hii post yako na ikiwezekana uifanyie "editing" pale itakapobidi, hii post inakuangusha...ama na wewe umeamua kuoga dimbwini na watoto? Ombi la pili, kama hutaudhika, jaribu kutumia kiswahili, hizi lugha za watu mtu akizidandia bila tahadhari, anaweza akapoteza kabisa maana ya ujumbe aliotaka kuufikisha. Mwisho natoa tu ushauri kuwa kabla ya ku"post reply" jaribu kubonyeza "preview post" usome uliyoyaandika na ukisharidhika kwamba hayana makosa yanayotokana na ama kwa kutokujua au kwa kukusudia, bonyeza "submit". Ukifanya hivyo nitajitahidi nijibu mada kama ulivyoitoa hapo juu, asante...tuendelee.

 

[MJINI CHAI]

kwa kweli napata kizunguzungu kwenye mambo haya........sijui Tumwamini nani?!!!!!.....

 

[Wickama]

gombesugu, jaribu kupoa kidogo usije ukachemka. Baada ya hii post yako, sasa naweza kukiri kwa mbali kwamba naanza kukuelewa. Hata hivyo nina ombi kwako, tulia uipitie hii post yako na ikiwezekana uifanyie "editing" pale itakapobidi, hii post inakuangusha...ama na wewe umeamua kuoga dimbwini na watoto? Ombi la pili, kama hutaudhika, jaribu kutumia kiswahili, hizi lugha za watu mtu akizidandia bila tahadhari, anaweza akapoteza kabisa maana ya ujumbe aliotaka kuufikisha. Mwisho natoa tu ushauri kuwa kabla ya ku"post reply" jaribu kubonyeza "preview post" usome uliyoyaandika na ukisharidhika kwamba hayana makosa yanayotokana na ama kwa kutokujua au kwa kukusudia, bonyeza "submit". Ukifanya hivyo nitajitahidi nijibu mada kama ulivyoitoa hapo juu, asante...tuendelee.

Mag3; just leave the guy alone. looks like he had already prepared an exit essay. No wonder he kept asking if the mnakasha was ending. You will notice his last section is already contradicting his first and second. Imagine, here is Nyerere in his speech praising the Tanganyikan wazee for having led the struggle because they knew the value of being independent. Now, here are some guys reducing all that to some religious debate.

 

[Kadogoo]

WildCard,

Ndugu yangu habari za masiku, naona wanajamvi wengi wamejipinda kweli kweli kuandika vitabu Yericko kaja na kitabu cha ugaidi kipo ubalozi wa Marekani.

Mwanakijiji yeye kaja na hiki kitabu umeishapata nakala yako.

RITZ;
Umepata nafasi ya kukisoma kitabu cha MM? kama bado, namwomba MM atujuze angalau kimuhtasari kitabu chake kinawagusa nani? kinahusu nini? hapo naona picha ya Kijana na Binti wakikumbatiana! sasa picha hii inatufundisha nini? au inahusu vita dhidi ya ukimwi!

 

[THE BIG SHOW]

Gombesugu, you are a good writer/narrator. It seems to me you have not travelled widely in this country and hence your complains about muslims dominated areas being behind in infrastructure and social services compared to (i suppose?) christian dominated areas. Bagamoyo is a muslim dominated area. Will you say with due honesty that it is behind Rorya in terms of infrastructure? Gombesugu, while the bulk of Tanga was serviced with good and passable roads, ask their fellows from Sumbawanga, Tunduru who had to walk for miles to a road. The first time i saw a house with makuti roof but with electricity was in Tanga and i was shocked because in most upcountry areas, you just cant get similar favour, your house had to have an iron roof before you talked of power. It also seems you have not followed the spirit of the conversation all along. What we are saying is simple. This is life, MOVE on. We have also shown examples of muslim communities who have moved along and are making it. We have also shown a number of muslim schools which with serious management are already among the best performers in the country.

Lets face it. The spirit of your essay is that you actually have in mind the coastal areas like Tanga, Coast, i doubt if you seriously consider Mtwara and Lindi at par. I challenge you to name any other UPCOUNTRY location for which your essay is directed. Certainly not Kamachumu, Kyella, Mpwapwa, Machame or Kibuyi (if at all you know it). Your essay sounded like you had only wanted to deliver what they call a "sucker-punch" to some side in this discussion and then you go home a "hero"and a good friend of some people. You have miscalculated.

Now lets face the central issue here, if the reward of WAZEE WAKO assisting in the struggle for independence is that YOU Gombesugu and company should be made commissioners of police with adequate literacy for that position the answer is NO. If you think buying a bicycle for Nyerere in the 1950s is already a price for you to become an attorney general withoul any legal school we say NO. If it was a battery, it has long expired!!!. What we say is that educate your chldren to enable become more competetive in the job market. And that must be done fast because somewhere, we shall open doors for all East African people to come. You will then watch as kenyans and rwandese take positions and land parcels while you still live in the past. If you think all muslims must enjoin hands with you in dissuading families in this country from working hard and educating their children with hard work instead they should all climb the podium and and become lamenters and ridiculers we also say NO. Do it alone. Other people have different priorities with their time.

In the final analysis you Gombesugu based on your WASWAHILI analysis and a bunch of many concealed others are just a discriminatory lot. Because, experience worldwide has shown that if the opportunities you are currently craving for are FAVOURED to you (which itself is unconstitutional), you will turn onto discriminating fellow muslims (shia, wahabi, ahamadiya etc) and believe me much as Kadogoo has inputted so much good stuff here, he will be among the first muslims to suffer at your hands by not COMING from a purely SWAHILI bloodline.

Not least, am totally differing to your prophecy of doom based on your shallow analysis. I see no catastrophy here Gombesugu. We only see a gradual reduction of your likes in the blood stream of this country as you age and your current followers realize they had been stupified. And like anyother disease which exists slowly from a body you shall find us full of patience while we witness your exit and live us enjoying life with our muslims friends whom we happily escort to maulids and non muslim neighbors and schools. Time is of essence here.

Non sense..!
Ridiculousness,,
I will associate your blah blah with fourth escape route..

fourth escape route,inasema,,
hii nairudia tena kwako,
inasema...

The fourth escape route is to blame muslims,that muslims they hate secular education..!,they prefer maulid and madrasa rather than secular education,,..!
The imbalances persists because,muslims especially along the coast such as lindi,mtwara,tanga,bagamoyo and pwani and etc dislike schoooling.
Those who follow this line of thinking convict themselves of inconstisency.It is the muslims who are demanding proportional representation in education.They can not be accused of disliking education.At an rate,that does not tell us why,a century a go,the germans built schools along the coast and the vast majority of their eager students were muslims.
Answer this question..
WHY SHOULD OUR INDPENDENT GOVERMENTS FAIL WHERE THE COLONIAL ADMINSTRATION SUCCEEDED??..

Our Madras or maulids..?

 

[Ritz]

RITZ;
Umepata nafasi ya kukisoma kitabu cha MM? kama bado, namwomba MM atujuze angalau kimuhtasari kitabu chake kinawagusa nani? kinahusu nini? hapo naona picha ya Kijana na Binti wakikumbatiana! sasa picha hii inatufundisha nini? au inahusu vita dhidi ya ukimwi!

Kadogoo,

Ndiyo nilimchangia jamaa yetu nikapata nakala yangu. Kajikita zaidi kwenye masuala ya ngono laini.

 

[THE BIG SHOW]

Kadogoo,

Ndiyo nilimchangia jamaa yetu nikapata nakala yangu. Kajikita zaidi kwenye masuala ya ngono laini.

Je,kwenye hiko kitabu Chake Mwanakijiji umeona shemu alipohalalisha matumizi ya Salama au alipokharamisha?
Nataka kujua kama ametolea fatua'ah ya kuhalalisha wazi wazi basi nami nimnase kibao cha uso niondoe Munkari kwa mkono wangu kama alivyokanaswa Aljah Alli Hassan Mwinyi..!
Bado nami naendelea kukipitia pitia,ole wake nikifume hicho kipengele,ama zangu ama zake,
watu wazima na akili zao wanapingana na Aids yeye anachochea,,,ebo..!