Okay Papa Kiranga. You are right:happy:. Happy now?
Not if you are turning this into a league and sweeping the logical argument under the sweeping white banner of sweet surrender.
The intent is to argue with a vision to learning, not merely emerge victoriously. If you throw the towel without addressing the details, that to me is simply boycotting the healthy exchange. This is a worthy debate. So sincerity is paramount. I beseech you.
The more important questions are agnostic to my happiness.
I don't speed or shoplift. I go by the flow of traffic and pay for my own shit.
I am sure you don't, sure per figure of speech of course. But you are either missing the analogy or being cruelly dismissive of the underlying logic, and I do doubt that you can miss such an open analogy.
Ulitaka atembee kwa miguu kama babu yako au babu yako hatembei kwa miguu?
Sijasema popote kwamba nilitaka atembee kwa mguu. Na babu yangu marhemu kwa miaka mingi sasa, kunitajia ni kunigusia donda la msiba. Did you have to go there?
Hakuna contradiction katika nilichoandika mimi. Contradiction ipo kwenye ulivyoelewa wewe.
Hujafanya hata jitihada ya kuonyesha hivyo, hata baada ya mimi kueleza nilivyoelewa.Umeandika tu. Unaendeleza dismisive disposition. Nitajie gumu lenye uhakika, na lisilo uhakika ambalo si gumu. Utaondoa sehemu kubwa ya contradiction yako.
Ukishindwa kitendawili hiki, umekubali kwamba umeji contradict. Harun Rashid style.
Unaona sasa...nilijua tu niliposoma nilichokinukuu kabla ya hiki kuwa hukunielewa kabisa. You've totally missed it.
Why? You are not showing that. Instead you are showing a murky penchant for dismissive avenues.
Koffi Annan siyo mungu wala papa kama ulivyo wewe lol. Yeye ni mere mortal tu.
Koffi Annan ni Papa kwa Kojo Annan, that's where you are wrong!
Ukiniambia upuuzi kama huo nitakuuliza 'wewe umejuaje bwana Papa'?
Nitakuuliza umejuaje kama nimejua?
Hususan ni mambo yepi haswa ambayo wewe unadai hakufuatilia ili kupata nguvu zilizoainishwa? Maana kila simulizi ina pande kadhaa na wewe umeamua kuamini upande wa Miguna. Naomba kama unaweza uniorodheshee hapa hayo mambo ili niyachambue tuone kama unachosema ni kweli au la.
Unasema umesoma "Peeling Off The Mask", utakuwa umesoma jinsi Kibaki na Francis Muhaura walivyompiga chini Raila kuhusu kuwa na equal say katika kuchagua maafisa waandamizi a serikali ya mseto, na kumfanya Raila kuwa subject katika serikali aliyoingia mkataba kama an equal of his opposites. This shows you how much Raila was lacking in confidence, conviction, understanding of the issues and psychology of power, easy to give up in the struggle, not attentive to detail, content with a trinket of power that assured his personal gain and prestige rather than pursuing real power that would have made real difference to the masses had he chosen to pursue that, the list is nearly endless.
Siendi na general feel mimi. Najua ninachokiongea na ndiyo maana nataka unipe hizo specifics unazoziongelea wewe.
Your posts in this thread are stating otherwise. Hata katika kunijibu tu hunijibu kwa detail, unanijibu dismissively, by the general feel. Kama unajua unachokiandika -si unachokiongea by the way, hatuna simu wala redio hapa- specifics nishakupa kuhusu sakata la Mutaura, Kibaki, Oginga na Miguna, kutoka kwenye kitabu.
Hmm wewe...una uhakika na unayoyaandika hapa? Hao watu wake alioshindwa kuwachagua ni kina nani?
Mazee, I begin to doubt you have read "Peeling Off The Mask". Or perhaps it is a matter of retention? Hujasoma beef ya Raila alivyopata beef kutoka kwa Muthaura kuhusu nani anaweza kuteua senior public servants na process inatakiwa iweje?
Yaani wewe Miguna kakuchota akili hadi kila anachoandika unakimeza tu!
Far from it, nishasema Miguna is not above suspicion, rudi kusoma hapo juu. So why do you even entertain this notion beats me.
Huyo Miguna si alikuwa mshauri wa Raila kuanzia 2008 hadi 2011? Kwa nini alikubali kuwa mshauri albeit a junior one at that kama hivyo ndivyo anavyofikiri sasa?
You give me even further reason to doubt that you have read "Peeling Off The Mask". And If you have truly read it you did not understand it. And if you understood it, you are grossly shortchanging your argument.
Miguna answered this question squarely in the book. You either read and did not retain what you read or did not read at all, which is it now?
Makes no sense. Miaka yote hiyo alikuwa mshauri wa mtu ambaye hakuangalia kama implementation ya mkataba ipo au haipo?
Now now now now, how long ago did you read this book again? the book can't be 3 years old now, can it? Mbona yote yameelezwa, ushasahau mara hii? Au unataka tuanze kufungua kurasa na kunukuu?
Hiyo unayoiita case nimeisoma. Wewe kama umeiamini basi huyo ni wewe.
There is a reason I said it was a "case" and not a "fact". The legally trained and otherwise curous will understand the difference. I am not saying Miguna is the Mahdi or resurrected Messiah, all I am saying is that Miguna presented some credible arguments which deserve a comprehensive retort from someone with a high ambition as Oginga.
Mimi nimeiona ni hatchet job tu na ndiyo maana sioni sababu ya Raila ku sink to his level.
Unfortunately for you Raila sank even lower by engaging the Kenyan courts and losing twice after Miguna's prediction that he (Raila) will lose, however off Miguna was in terms of percentage. The fact remains losing is losing.
Don't get me wrong. I am not a Uhuru man. I would have rejoiced to see the one Raila is trying to usurp at State House, but that person is not Raila unfortunately, Raila and Uhuru are both usurpers playing on the prevailing ignorance and classicompacency in Kenya.
Au wewe unataka kila aliyeisoma akubaliane nayo kama unavyokubaliana nayo wewe ili ukubali kwamba huyo mtu kaisoma?
Hapana, lakini kila kesi ina pande mbili. Na yule ambaye hata hajibu mashtaka anatupa sababu ya kuamini kwamba mashtaka ni ya kweli na hayajibiki pasipo kujenga mashtaka zaidi.
Nini kinakufanya udhanie hivyo?
Kuniambia kwamba nadhani ni tusi. Nini kinakufanya udhani kwamba nadhani?
Ungefanya examination, usinge ji expose hivi, ama umesoma na kusahau ama hujasoma. Tuambie ni kipi haswa?
The rule of law should be to everyone's advantage and not you or your own interests' advantage. Hiyo ndiyo reform ya kweli - level playing field for everyone and not just one for one person or a group.
Ambayo ingefuatiliwa, Raila na Uhuru wote wangekuwa jela. Wangetuachia tuone mtu mwingine tofauti na wawili hawa - na cronies wao wa karibu-akiingia Satate House.
Specifics Pontiff, specifics.
Obliged.I am the Pontiff of specifics up in here. I bet you if we run a search on "specific" between yourself and me you are bound to find an earlier rant about specifics from some "Papal Apostolic Encyclical" from yours truly than from you, bet?
Raila alishindwa kusimamia haki yake ipi mahsusi iliyowekwa mkataba na Koffi Annan? Usimwage mi broad generalities tu hapa - zitaje mahsusi tuzichambue tuone kama ni kweli au la.
Uliposoma "Peeling Back The Mask" ulisoma mpaka Appendices kule nyuma au ulisoma kivivu bila kusoma Appendices na footnotes (Where
EMT at, mzee wa ma footnotes)
Miguna mbona kaweka mpaka Accord nzima kwenye appendices nyuma ya kitabu ili watu wasome mkataba mzima, unataka nionekane kama Alan Greenspan sasa kwa kurudiarudia kuhimiza kusoma kitabu kwa suala la ABC kama kitabu cha Miguna?
The A and Y are redundant
Why should I have a point? What if I am ever revolving in quantum probabilism? 9yes, that's a word, a philosophy even, look it up if you doubt)
For someone who values a "point" so much, the whole business of "he does not value your point" is so pointless.
Even a point is pointless if you understands the double slit experiment enough, or the wave particle duality of the photon, or Heisenberg's Uncertainty Principle (as it is known to the English speaking world)
And it is better to not overrate, also.
And right now you are overrating Raila.
I'm game. Let's go for it. Page by page, line by line.
So far you are paying lip service to this ideal, singing lazy chorus while I am hitting the high notes. Hujanionyesha popote by detail kwamba umesoma kitabu, now unarukia twende page by page?
As far as I'm concerned they don't deserve to be answered.
Your concern is apparently a bit overstretched.
Again, legit according to whom - you and Miguna? I don't see an ounce of legitimacy in them.
What is "an ounce of legitimacy" to you? What scale do you use to weight it?
[/QUOTE]The man[/QUOTE]
What man? For someone bent on specificity, you are turning out exceedingly vague and open to minterpretation here.
met the educational constitutioally mandated criteria to run for president. That alone should put Miguna's sensational assertions to rest.
I take it you mean constitutionally.
Whom exactly do you refer to?
Tom Mboya? Barack Obama Sr? Charles Njonjo? George Saitoti? William Rutto? Uhuru Kenyatta? Raila Ujinga?
Miguna has no credibility whatsoever and that's why his second book turned out to be a dud.
Now now now now, it should be a constitutional right in all democratic countries, that any sharp lawyer should be able to milk their five years of fame, if only to encourage more Migunas.
Whatsoever is a heavy word. The man passed the bar and became a lawyer in Canada, now granted, even my fellow Pontiff is mured by allegations of being complicit while the Argentine military was pillaging and plundering the Argentine people, I get that. No human is unimpeachable.
But whatsoever? Did you even think that word carefully of just threw it out like the panties of an eager and cheap footloose in the midst of a regretfully passionate travelogue that would put ibn Batuta to shame?
After reading his first one fair minded people like me knew what he was all about.
The entire notion of "fair minded people like me" is laughably serf serving if not utterly ridiculous.
First of all, it is not curiously inclined in the sense of seeking to enrich itself.It is rather content in the sense of putting on airs that it is the truth.
Second of all, to the initiated, the word "fair" is assuming and ignorant. Assuming in the unchallenged notion that the best viw is from the middle, fair minded people will propel, democracy is the best system, malarkey, horseradish, hogwash.
Mencken- assuming yu are familiar, if not Google is your friend, of course- would disagree.
I can't take a writer seriously who writes about uncorroborated sex stories in his book.
That's where you err. You are focusing on the uncorroborated, instead of the corroborated ( or what can be corraborated). The mistake is fatal!
Look, Miguna is probably a scoundrel, but realistically, in a country of megalomaniac tycoons like Kenya, does his dirty rotenscoundrel status affect the expose his giving to the etxent of dismissing him altogether?
No. Not to me.
Chances are if he were squeakly clean he would have been killed by Moi without the chance of escaping to Tanzania, Swaziland and Canada.
Oh no, it should be. Otherwise what was his motivation to pen such a hatchet job? Was he somebody else's hatchet man? I know for a fact he endorsed Uhuru for president.....things that make you go hmmmm.
For argument's sake, let's be adults, all utopia aside, so he is a Uhuru sellout (arguments sake, again) does that mean Raila does not have to answer to all the things he wrote?
Write a comprehensive retort in the form of a book to address lies,
We do not know that they are lies, again, examination. no research no right to comment in that way.
gross exaggerations, and downright sensationalist claims?
For one bent on specificity and detail, I find this accusation of "gross exaggerations, and downright sensationalist claims" to be the only "gross exaggerations, and downright sensationalist claim" here.
No one needs to do that because no one talks about Miguna until he finds his way back in the news headlines by penning some hatchet job that only handful of people care to read.
You are ruling out the possibility that you might have a scenario with a lot of people, like Raila, who are not interested in the details. Africa's real problem.
He is a drama queen rich on histrionics. To dispute every ridiculous claim of his is to make him relevant. Again, why sink to his level?
Drama queen or not, the questions remain.
He already had name recognition. You already called him the crown prince of Nyanza, didn't you?
A princeling bestowed by providence does not come out of fighting the good fight in this life now, does it?
What good fight has he fought? Well, just look at Kenya's regional neighbors. Kenya is far ahead of Uganda na Tanzania in terms of democratic reforms. Those reforms didn't just fall from the sky or grow on trees. They were hard fought and if you look in their DNA the name Odinga is all over.
But you are not showing anything that arose from his effort, you might as well be talking about the fruits of Jaramogi and Jomo for all I know.
More like forever laughing, and holding the last laugh for all I know.
