Uraia Pacha Tanzania: Siasa ya Bernard Membe na hatma yake

[MkamaP]

Majuzi tu nilikuwa Lamadi, Nyakabindi, Dutwa, na Isanzu! Najiandaa na 2015 kwenda kumng'oa Chenge.

du mzee wa viji-sent inabidi tumg'oe kweli, wewe nipe shout nitakuwa nawe bega kwa bega.

 

[Kiranga]

Majuzi tu nilikuwa Lamadi, Nyakabindi, Dutwa, na Isanzu! Najiandaa na 2015 kwenda kumng'oa Chenge.

Tiketi ya chama gani ?

 

[Nyani Ngabu]

Tiketi ya chama gani ?

I'm banking on the new constitution.....So I plan to be an independent candidate.

 

[EMT]

Kiranga na wengine,

I am not one of those denouncing dual nationality as an evil or condemning it as worse than bigamy. The world seems to be rethinking its customary answers. Rules for dual nationality make the most sense for the 21st century. Zama za only the the king could release "subjects" zimepitwa na wakati because States no longer have an exclusive authority over its citizens.

The 20th century revolution in transportation and communications enables migrants to retain close and meaningful ties with the country of origin, and with family who remained behind, even as they develop close affiliations with their new country of citizenship. The geopolitical context is also totally different, something that might cause even Theodore Roosevelt to reconsider some of his dogma.

Hivi karibu tuu kumekuwa na mfufumuko wa nchi kadhaa kukubali dual citizenship zikiwemo Uganda, Poland, Kenya na Korea ya Kusini na nyinginezo. Kwa mshangao wa wengi, hata katiba mpya ijayo ya Zimbabwe nayo itakuwa na kipengele kinachoruhusu dual citizenship. Denmark nako wanafikiria kuwa na dual citizenship. Wanachama 20 ya Munngano wa Ulaya wanaruhusu dual citizenship.

Kwa upande wa Tanzania dual citizenship could be seen as overdue. Kitu ambacho kinanitia mashaka ni kama tayari tumeshajiandaa vya kutosha in terms of reforming our lax immigration laws for the would be applying for Tanzanian citizenship. Kama tutakuwa na dual citizenship, I would expect the relevant provision to be pari materia to the Uganda Citizenship and Immigration Control (Amendment) Act, 2009.

Dual citizenship, according to the Act, means the simultaneous possession of two citizenships one of which is Ugandan. A citizen of Uganda of 18 years and above who voluntarily acquires the citizenship of a country other than Uganda may retain the citizenship of Uganda. A person who is not a citizen of Uganda may, on acquiring the citizenship of Uganda, retain the citizenship of another country.

My real concern is in the last sentence. I am sure wote hapa hamtapenda kusikia uraia wa Tanzania ukigawiwa kama pipi kwa wageni simply because baba wa mwombaji ni rafiki wa kigogo fulani au a civil servant. Hakuna atakayependa kuona passports zetu zikigawiwa kwa wageni kama njugu vile. Neither one would like to give foreigners a Tanzanian citizenship based on a "dry feet, wet feet" policy.

Otherwise, matokeo yake ni kwamba in the few years to come utakuta nchi inatawaliwa na kuongozwa na wageni ambao walipewa uraia wa kujuana wakati Watanzania wakipitia kwenye strict procedures kupata uraia wa nchi nyingine. Kama hizi sheria legelege zitaaendelea kuwepo baada ya kuanzisha dual nationality kuna uwezekano kabisa wa foreigner kuomba hata tri-nationality na kupewa. Bongo tambarare hii.

Citizenship should depend on descent, not the place of birth. However, we must first ensure that our prone immigration laws are properly set up to deal with those who will apply for a Tanzanian citizenship. In the near future, we will have a reverse emigration. Citizens from where we are currently emigrating will soon be immigrating to our homelands.

We must ensure that hao wageni wakija siyo wanapita moja kwa moja mpaka ndani wakachukua chochote kwenye fridge na kusepa, bali wabishe hodi kwanza tuwafungulie kama wanavyotufungulia sasa huko kwao. kama mipaka yetu itakuwa secured, wala sina tatizo.

 

[Nyani Ngabu]

My real concern is in the last sentence. I am sure wote hapa hamtapenda kusikia uraia wa Tanzania ukigawiwa kama pipi kwa wageni simply because baba wa mwombaji ni rafiki wa kigogo fulani au civil servant. Hakuna atakayependa kuonga passports zety zikigawiwa kwa wageni kama njugu vile. Neither one would like to give foreigners a Tanzanian citizenship based on a "dry feet, wet feet" policy.

Otherwise, matokeo yake ni kwamba in the few years to come utakuta nchi inatawaliwa na kuongozwa na wageni ambao walipewa uraia wa kujuana wakati Watanzania wakipitia kwenye strict procedures kupata uraia wa nchi nyingine. Kama hizi sheria legelege zinaendelea kuwepo baada ya kuanzisha dual nationality kuna uwezekano kabisa wa foreigner kuomba hata hata tri-nationality na kupewa. Bongo tambarare hii.

Citizenship should depend on descent, not the place of birth. However, we must first ensure that our prone immigration laws are properly set up to deal with those who will apply for a Tanzanian citizenship. In the near future, we will have a reverse emigration. Citizens from where we are currently emigrating will soon be immigrating to our homelands.

We must ensure that hao wageni wakija siyo wanapita moja kwa moja mpaka ndani wakachukua chochote kwenye fridge na kusepa, bali wabishe hodi kwanza tuwafungulie kama wanavyotufungulia sasa huko kwao. kama mipaka yetu itakuwa secured, wala sina tatizo.

Ni wazi kuwa tukiamua kuwa na huo mpango basi zitatungwa sheria ambazo zitaongoza hayo mambo.

Itakuwa ni ujinga wa hali ya juu kutokufanya hivyo.

 

[Kiranga]

I can rely on the sober equanimity of the venerable EMT to inject some much needed sense, with a pertinent and detailed discussion of the issues, drawing from relevant examples and case studies, where my shorthand bursts could only point the direction with scanty anecdotes.

You sir, are a scholar and a gentleman.

You have made important points I raised earlier, with an enviably eloquent flow.

Dual nationality/citizenship is the trend of the future, however, it is not to be gobbled up without the proper preparations. Let us prepare adequately and exceed the challenges squarely.

I could not agree with you more. Let us focus on the specific challenges and nail them, as opposed to denying Tanzanians dual citizenship a la "mtego wa panya unasao waliodhamiriwa na wasiodhamiriwa".

 

[Ubumuntu]

Apparently you are devoid of any notion of how these things work. Let me break it down for you. The reason a Tanzanian living in the US would want to do some offshore acrobatics (and this is an extreme example to drive home the point)is the same reason Mitt Romney did it. To maximize profit and reduce taxation. Why would you say increasing the profit of a Tanzanian enterpreneur, who is most likely to assist the Tanzanian economy by remmittances or re-investing in Tanzania would not benefit Tanzania beats me.

Oh! Same stories.

Nigeria allowed dual citizenship in early 1990s. Ghana allowed dual citizenship in 2002. From those two cases, I see no significant economic improvement; as the nations are still trapped in poverty miseries. They are still seen as 'developing nations' in UN standards.

Why and how Tanzania would be different?

Mind you Nigerians and Ghanians are dispersed all over the North more than Tanzanians.

Stop talking about ukija kama foreigner utapokelewa vizuri. Utapokelewa vizuri kwa sababu watu wanajua watakutoa upepo vizuri zaidi kwa sababu huna haki za kiraia na utapigwa ma kodi yote makubwa.

Chifu, hakika umesahau 'nyumbani kwenu!!!'
Hapa sasa tunapigia kelele uwepo wa misamaha ya kodi kwa wawekezaji, wewe unakuja na kilio cha "makodi yote makubwa??"

Chifu, mwekezaji sasa ana mteremko kuliko kipindi chochote cha Tanzania. Credits go to the downfall of the so called Westphalian system. Hayo ndiyo matunda ya globalisation na liberalisation; conducive settings for foreign investments.

Hata ukitaka kuingia mbugani rate yako tofautio. Wewe vipi? Mbona unaleta mambo holela holela katika majadiliano ambayo yanatakiwa kuwa makini? Kwa hiyo wewe unataka watu waje kama investors wa nje kwa sababu watapokelewa vizuri zaidi? Halafu muwa harass immigration ku renew visa kila baada ya muda fulani katika nchi yao ya kuzaliwa?

Sasa unataka nawe utozwe Tsh. 1500 kuingia SENAPA wakati umebeba madolari? Wewe vipi? Hapa naona ubinafsi; hujali kuliingizia taifa pato kubwa zaidi.

Chifu, utakuwa harassed kama ukiwa bado na gamba lako la kitanzania. Ukija na gamba lako la UK au US hakuna atakayeku harass.

Mind you, sema nchi yako ya kuzaliwa uliyoikana.

Don't give me some informal system bull, that is what we want to do away with in this country, too many freaking njia za panya, you call yourself serious advocating for this sleazy sloth?

Chifu, ukija kwa gia za njia za panya, utakumbana na njia za panya. Sasa unakuja na visenti vyako na kutaka kuwa treated (incentive-wise) kama anayekuja na billions of dollars?

Ukija na njia halali za mwekezaji mwenye nia ya kuwekeza Tanzania, utakumbana na mteremko. Si unaona "wawekezaji wenzenu" wanavyopewa maeneo ya uwekezaji huku sisi watanzania tukinyang'anywa ardhi na kuitwa wavamizi?!?

Chifu, ndiyo maana nimekwambia umesahau 'nyumbani kwenu!'

Only your undisciplined mind would say "Tanzania is doing better in international trade". Better than what? Even if you say it is doing better than what it did before, which is to be expected

Excellent. This is what I meant. Tanzania is doing much better than what it did before. Economic statistics say so.

how can you compare that with the situation that allows Tanzanians to have dual citizenship? We have never had dual citizenship for all aspiring Tanzanians, so how can you say it is doing better? How do you know the impact of dual citizenship on international trade? How do you know that you are not fully exploiting Tanzanias potential fully without allowing dual citizenship? How do you know you are not leaving money on the table due to some antiquated patriotism notions?

Chifu, we are living in a 'globalised world', I can learn from other Africa's nations.
Things don't look that good and promising!!

In addition, you could have made you argument concrete by providing cases of how the current diaspora contributes significantly to the nation's economy under 'no dual citizenship' settings.

Of course you do not see offshore investments - which you did not understand anyway, so I do not expect you to grasp the concept- as one of the possible areas Tanzanians living abroad could benefit from.

By the way, offshore investments have been criticised of tax evasions and as schemes for money laundering. As with secrecy in offshore investments, it becomes difficult for the owner to be taxed appropriately. They are not uncommon with drug kingpins and tax evaders.

What opportunities does it bring to the country? I will give you a simple example. Kuna mshkaji alipata interview ya kufanya kazi United States Federal Reserve. Kazi ambayo sio tu inge advance career yake, lakini ingempa an inside look at how the US Federal Reserve inavyofanya kazi na angeweza baada ya miaka michache kurudi Tanzania na kuchangia vizuri sana kwa hiyo experience. US Federal Reserve's employment agency wakaangalia resume yake nzuri, wameipenda, wakamwambia jiandae kwa interview. Jamaa kasema poa. Wakamuuliza swali moja, wewe ni raia wa Marekani? Jamaa akatokea hana uraia. Wakamwambia samahani sana hii kazi ni kinda sensitive kwa US government kwa hiyo wanataka raia tu.

Huyo jamaa ni mzembe kati ya wazembe duniani. Tena anaweza kuwa ni pimbi kabisa.
Sasa alitegemea anaweza kupata kazi kwenye sehemu kama hiyo bila ya kuwa raia? Hakuona hata job requirements? Yaani mkenya apate ajira pale Hazina au Benki Kuu?

Kama angekuwa ana nia ya kuipata kazi hiyo, basi angeukana tu utanzania.

Na kama angekuwa that exceptional jamaa wangemwomba achukue uraia. Si umeona mcanada alivyofanywa juzi pale Uingereza?

La sivyo, stori yako haina tofauti na zilizokuwa expectations za wakenya baada ya Barack kutinga White House.

Wabongo wana ma qualifications ya kufanya hizi kazi, lakini hizi habari za kukataa dual citizenship zinawazuia kuchukua ujuzi na ku advance careers, kujenga ma network makubwa huko.

Wabongo wangapi wewe?

Hizi stori tumeshazizoea. Wabongo wenye "ma qualifications" wasiosikika. Ebu nitajie hata watano wenye articles kwenye peer-reviewed articles za Science na Nature (the world most renowned peet-reviewed journals, with the highest impact factors).

Wangapi ni Nobel Laureates?

Acheni hizo mambo ili kuadvance your individualistic interests.

Multiply that by tens of thousand times and you are retarding the building of tens of thousands of quality cribs, small businesses and millions of dollars in remittances that would help families home to undergo medical procedures, pay school fees, buy cars etc etc.

I haven't seen any success stories so far.

So the above is just bluffing

Ukisema "all that you are raising can be done without dual citizenship" ni kama vile unamwambia mtu "kwa nini tuhitaji magari na ndege wakati tunaweza kusafiri kwa punda?". You do not seem to appreciate the multiplier effect dual citizenship will bring.

Show me any practical cases that would influence me into appreciating "the multiplier effect that dual citizenship will bring".

You are not advancing Tanzanias interests by being an isolationist, you do so by moving with the world.This commonly held tradition is the medieval concept of a Westphalian nation-state as incepted in the Thirty Years War. It is antiquated and on it's deathbed, but I doubt you have done your homework to even know what that is, so maybe Google a little and update yourself.

Really?!? You want Tanzania to move with the world!!

Yes. Westphalian system 'might' be on the deathbed. However, some of its core principles still exist. Even the state system is argued to have Westphalian elements, as no state can intervene domestic affairs of other states. That is why in US, there are states that have legalised same sex marriages with no occlusions from other states.

Moreover, that is why Tanzania can decide sovereignly without legitimate interventions from other nations. Tanzania can decide not to accept dual citizenship or homosexuality without being forced by the North to do so.

And you could very well be left holding the bags.

I wouldn't mind that. As long as my viewpoints on the issue stay put.

Globalization ndo hiyo tayari ishawa force kuwa na vyama vingi na kuuza mashirika penda msipende.

Mh!! Sasa unaanza kuleta utani.
Si kila kitu cha globalisation kitachukua mkondo wake katika mazingira ya Tanzania. Mfano mzuri, ni suala la ushoga.

Siamini Kiranga anaanza kuwa 'emotional!!!'

Si bora mruhusu hiyo Dual Citizenship angalau tuwe na watu wetu humo kwenye mi Federal Reserves tukiona zinafanya maamuzi ya kutu impact drastically angalau kuna watu wa kutu alert ahead of time watu wakafanya efforts za ku pre-empt? Leo tunajizuia kuwa na watu watakao gather hata intelligence kwa faida ya nchi!

Unaendelea kufikiri kwa emitions kuliko uhalisia. Zilezile stori za wakenya na Barack.

Hivi unawaona wamarekani ni ma fizzles kiasi cha kuruhusu watu wenye uraia wa nchi nyingine watoe siri zao kirahisi?

Pili si rahisi kama unavyotaka kuaminisha raia hapa; wanaijeria na waghana wangekuwa wamejaa kwenye hiyo 'mi federal reserves'.

Labda sina habari hizo (ningependa kuzipata), sidhani kama ni rahisi kwa mtu mwenye uraia wa nchi nyingine kupata ajira kwenye security sensitive agencies kwa Marekani.

 

[Ubumuntu]

Kama hutaki kusoma nenda kaimbe - or better yet kacheze makida, maana hata kuimba kunahitaji kusoma siku hizi

Pheeeww!!

Wewe nawe umesoma? Ndiyo unaongea ***** huo!!!

Si heri yangu niliye mkulima.

usijitie ujuaji wa ku discuss dual citizenship wakati huja master the basics of "Individualism vs Collectivism"

Nani kajitia ujuaji? Wapi nimesema mimi mjuaji zaidi ya wewe kuni label mimi 'najitia mjuaji'.

Oh! Kumbe kudiscuss issue hii mpaka uwe na mapiechidii ya kumasta individualism vs collectivism?!?!?

No wonder, hoja zenu zilipanguliwa vikali na vilaza wa pale UDSM.

Pheeww!

 

[Kiranga]

Oh! Same stories.

Nigeria allowed dual citizenship in early 1990s. Ghana allowed dual citizenship in 2002. From those two cases, I see no significant economic improvement; as the nations are still trapped in poverty miseries. They are still seen as 'developing nations' in UN standards.

Why and how Tanzania would be different?

Mind you Nigerians and Ghanians are dispersed all over the North more than Tanzanians.



Chifu, hakika umesahau 'nyumbani kwenu!!!'
Hapa sasa tunapigia kelele uwepo wa misamaha ya kodi kwa wawekezaji, wewe unakuja na kilio cha "makodi yote makubwa??"

Chifu, mwekezaji sasa ana mteremko kuliko kipindi chochote cha Tanzania. Credits go to the downfall of the so called Westphalian system. Hayo ndiyo matunda ya globalisation na liberalisation; conducive settings for foreign investments.



Sasa unataka nawe utozwe Tsh. 1500 kuingia SENAPA wakati umebeba madolari? Wewe vipi? Hapa naona ubinafsi; hujali kuliingizia taifa pato kubwa zaidi.

Chifu, utakuwa harassed kama ukiwa bado na gamba lako la kitanzania. Ukija na gamba lako la UK au US hakuna atakayeku harass.

Mind you, sema nchi yako ya kuzaliwa uliyoikana.



Chifu, ukija kwa gia za njia za panya, utakumbana na njia za panya. Sasa unakuja na visenti vyako na kutaka kuwa treated (incentive-wise) kama anayekuja na billions of dollars?

Ukija na njia halali za mwekezaji mwenye nia ya kuwekeza Tanzania, utakumbana na mteremko. Si unaona "wawekezaji wenzenu" wanavyopewa maeneo ya uwekezaji huku sisi watanzania tukinyang'anywa ardhi na kuitwa wavamizi?!?

Chifu, ndiyo maana nimekwambia umesahau 'nyumbani kwenu!'



Excellent. This is what I meant. Tanzania is doing much better than what it did before. Economic statistics say so.



Chifu, we are living in a 'globalised world', I can learn from other Africa's nations.
Things don't look that good and promising!!

In addition, you could have made you argument concrete by providing cases of how the current diaspora contributes significantly to the nation's economy under 'no dual citizenship' settings.



By the way, offshore investments have been criticised of tax evasions and as schemes for money laundering. As with secrecy in offshore investments, it becomes difficult for the owner to be taxed appropriately. They are not uncommon with drug kingpins and tax evaders.



Huyo jamaa ni mzembe kati ya wazembe duniani. Tena anaweza kuwa ni pimbi kabisa.
Sasa alitegemea anaweza kupata kazi kwenye sehemu kama hiyo bila ya kuwa raia? Hakuona hata job requirements? Yaani mkenya apate ajira pale Hazina au Benki Kuu?

Kama angekuwa ana nia ya kuipata kazi hiyo, basi angeukana tu utanzania.

Na kama angekuwa that exceptional jamaa wangemwomba achukue uraia. Si umeona mcanada alivyofanywa juzi pale Uingereza?

La sivyo, stori yako haina tofauti na zilizokuwa expectations za wakenya baada ya Barack kutinga White House.



Wabongo wangapi wewe?

Hizi stori tumeshazizoea. Wabongo wenye "ma qualifications" wasiosikika. Ebu nitajie hata watano wenye articles kwenye peer-reviewed articles za Science na Nature (the world most renowned peet-reviewed journals, with the highest impact factors).

Wangapi ni Nobel Laureates?

Acheni hizo mambo ili kuadvance your individualistic interests.



I haven't seen any success stories so far.

So the above is just bluffing



Show me any practical cases that would influence me into appreciating "the multiplier effect that dual citizenship will bring".



Really?!? You want Tanzania to move with the world!!

Yes. Westphalian system 'might' be on the deathbed. However, some of its core principles still exist. Even the state system is argued to have Westphalian elements, as no state can intervene domestic affairs of other states. That is why in US, there are states that have legalised same sex marriages with no occlusions from other states.

Moreover, that is why Tanzania can decide sovereignly without legitimate interventions from other nations. Tanzania can decide not to accept dual citizenship or homosexuality without being forced by the North to do so.



I wouldn't mind that. As long as my viewpoints on the issue stay put.



Mh!! Sasa unaanza kuleta utani.
Si kila kitu cha globalisation kitachukua mkondo wake katika mazingira ya Tanzania. Mfano mzuri, ni suala la ushoga.

Siamini Kiranga anaanza kuwa 'emotional!!!'



Unaendelea kufikiri kwa emitions kuliko uhalisia. Zilezile stori za wakenya na Barack.

Hivi unawaona wamarekani ni ma fizzles kiasi cha kuruhusu watu wenye uraia wa nchi nyingine watoe siri zao kirahisi?

Pili si rahisi kama unavyotaka kuaminisha raia hapa; wanaijeria na waghana wangekuwa wamejaa kwenye hiyo 'mi federal reserves'.

Labda sina habari hizo (ningependa kuzipata), sidhani kama ni rahisi kwa mtu mwenye uraia wa nchi nyingine kupata ajira kwenye security sensitive agencies kwa Marekani.

So now you need a peer reviewed article in Nature and/ or a Nobel Prize to work at the US Federal Reserve?

What kind of moonshine are you dabbling in to produce this ghoulish gibberish?

 

[Ubumuntu]

So now you need a peer reviewed article in Nature and/ or a Nobel Prize to work at the US Federal Reserve?

What kind of moonshine are you dabbling in to produce this ghoulish gibberish?

You can call me whatever name you may think, in whatever language you know. But, that is a fact until proven otherwise.

This has been one of the arguments for the enthusiasts - "wabongo wana ma qualifications" ya kufa mtu. That is why I questioned it by asking for any credentials to prove that. I didn't only base on your wimpy US Federal Reserve example.

Most of you have no " ma qualifications" of working in higher paying jobs; you have no credentials to prove your "ma qualifications".

Bring it on.

 

[Kiranga]

You can call me whatever name you may think, in whatever language you know. But, that is a fact until proven otherwise.

This has been one of the arguments for the enthusiasts - "wabongo wana ma qualifications" ya kufa mtu. That is why I questioned it by asking for any credentials to prove that. I didn't only base on your wimpy US Federal Reserve example.

Most of you have no " ma qualifications" of working in higher paying jobs; you have no credentials to prove your "ma qualifications".

Bring it on.

Ma qualification ni nini? Hujauliza hata qualification za nini ushaanza kuzipaisha.

Unafikiri kila sehemu watu wanahusudu hashuo?

 

[Kibanga Ampiga Mkoloni]

Hahaaa!
Kamata mwizi MAN!
Nitarudi hapa baada ya siku Nne au tano!
NAPITA TU!

 

[Ubumuntu]

Hivi karibu tuu kumekuwa na mfufumuko wa nchi kadhaa kukubali dual citizenship zikiwemo Uganda, Poland, Kenya na Korea ya Kusini na nyinginezo. Kwa mshangao wa wengi, hata katiba mpya ijayo ya Zimbabwe nayo itakuwa na kipengele kinachoruhusu dual citizenship. Denmark nako wanafikiria kuwa na dual citizenship. Wanachama 20 ya Munngano wa Ulaya wanaruhusu dual citizenship.

Chifu, unataka kusema mfumuko huo utakuja kama upepo na kuifanya Tanzania nayo ikumbwe na kimbunga cha dual citizenship?

Chifu, hao wanachama 20 wa EU wanaosapoti dual citizenship ni wepi?

Nafahamu mataifa 7 tu yaliyo kwenye EU yenye uwepo wa dual citizenship: Italia, Ureno, UK, Slovakia, Hungaria,Ufaransa na Ireland. Lakini nyingi za nchi za EU hazina hiyo dual citizenship katika mazingira rahisi na yanayoruhusu watu kutoka nchi zote duniani. Mfano, Hispania ina makubaliano ya dual citizenship na nchi ilizozitawala kule Marekani ya Kusini. Slovenia inaruhusu dual citizenship kwa waslovenia walio expatriates katika nchi mbalimbali tu, waliokimbia nchi involuntarily.

Sasa ningependa nifahamu hizo nchi 11 nyingine (tukienda na Hispania na Slovenia pia).

Pia kimsingi sheria ya utaifa ya Poland haitambui dual citizenship. Kwani hata kama mpolish ana uraia wa nchi nyingine, akiwa ndani ya Poland, uraia wa nchi hiyo hautambuliki. Atatambulika kama mpolish. Ingawa watoto wanaozaliwa na wapolish popote pale walipo wanatambulika kama wapolish.

 

[Ubumuntu]

Ma qualification ni nini? Hujauliza hata qualification za nini ushaanza kuzipaisha

Chifu, unaanza kusahau ulichokiandika?!?

Pale awali ulisema "wabongo wana ma qualifications......"

Ndiyo hapo sasa, wenye hizo qualifications wazielezee ili waipe uzito hoja.

 

[Nyani Ngabu]

Chifu, unaanza kusahau ulichokiandika?!?

Pale awali ulisema "wabongo wana ma qualifications......"

Ndiyo hapo sasa, wenye hizo qualifications wazielezee ili waipe uzito hoja.

Mkubwa mbona swali langu unalipiga chenga ya mwili?

 

[MkamaP]

Chifu, unataka kusema mfumuko huo utakuja kama upepo na kuifanya Tanzania nayo ikumbwe na kimbunga cha dual citizenship?

Chifu, hao wanachama 20 wa EU wanaosapoti dual citizenship ni wepi?

Nafahamu mataifa 7 tu yaliyo kwenye EU yenye uwepo wa dual citizenship: Italia, Ureno, UK, Slovakia, Hungaria,Ufaransa na Ireland. Lakini nyingi za nchi za EU hazina hiyo dual citizenship katika mazingira rahisi na yanayoruhusu watu kutoka nchi zote duniani. Mfano, Hispania ina makubaliano ya dual citizenship na nchi ilizozitawala kule Marekani ya Kusini. Slovenia inaruhusu dual citizenship kwa waslovenia walio expatriates katika nchi mbalimbali tu, waliokimbia nchi involuntarily.

Sasa ningependa nifahamu hizo nchi 11 nyingine (tukienda na Hispania na Slovenia pia).

Pia kimsingi sheria ya utaifa ya Poland haitambui dual citizenship. Kwani hata kama mpolish ana uraia wa nchi nyingine, akiwa ndani ya Poland, uraia wa nchi hiyo hautambuliki. Atatambulika kama mpolish. Ingawa watoto wanaozaliwa na wapolish popote pale walipo wanatambulika kama wapolish.

This fellow, can't stop me laughing.

 

[Fursa Pesa]

Absolutely no resason for dual citizenship! why do you want to be a citizen of two diffrent states?

embezzment & the fear of war.

 

[MkamaP]

German
Dual citizenship

Allowed under following circumstances:

• If he/she is an EU or Swiss citizen during naturalization.
• If he/she is a refugee and holds a 1951 travel document during naturalization.
• where a child born to German parents acquires another citizenship at birth (e.g. based on place of birth, or descent from one parent)
• where a naturalized German citizen, or a child born to non-German parents (non-EU or Swiss) in Germany, request and obtain a permission to keep his foreign nationality.
• where a German citizen acquires a foreign nationality with the permission of the German government (e.g. existing relative ties or property in Germany or in the other country or if the occupation abroad requires domestic citizenship for execution)

Chech
Petr was a Czech citizen who has married an Australian woman, Blanche. After a few years, he successfully applied for Australian citizenship. He is permitted to keep his Czech citizenship as he has gained it in connection with a marriage, becoming a dual national.

SPAIN
dual nationality

In becoming a Spanish citizen, you may or may not obtain dual nationality or be required to renounce your current citizenship. Citizens of Latin American countries, Andorra, Portugal, the Philippines, or Equatorial Guinea are not required to renounce their citizenship, and their dual nationality is bilaterally recognized.
In other cases things can go a bit differently. For example, UK citizens, when becoming a Spanish citizen, are required to renounce their previous citizenship, yet this is not allowed by the UK. This means that you would then have two nationalities (but not dual nationality) as Spain would not recognize the UK nationality.

 

[Ubumuntu]

Sasa ubaya wa faida kwa mtu mmoja mmoja ni nini?

Hakuna ubaya.

Ila hadi sasa hakuna nchi ya kujivunia katika Afrika yetu. Hakuna success stories toka Afrika za namna gani faida kwa mtu mmoja mmoja zimeleta faida kwa nchi nzima.

Ndiyo. Wapo wanaijeria waliodusua sana Ulaya na Marekani. Je, wameifanyia nini nchi yao?

Labda nyie enthusiasts mje na mifano ya namna hizo faida za mtu mmoja mmoja zilivyoleta tija kwa taifa zima.

Msije na makitu yenu ya kumasta individualism vs collectivism hapa.

Maana nyakati zingine hayo mambo utengwa, ndiyo maana utasikia pato la taifa limekuwa huku raia mifuko ikizidi kutoboka. Na ndiyo maana pia kuna macro na micro economy.

Hata kama taifa linaundwa na mtu mmoja mmoja, katika uchumi kila pande inaweza tenganishwa na kujadiliwa kipekee.

 

[MkamaP]

Kimsingi karibu nchi zote za europe zinaruhusu Dual citizenships, ila wamejiwekea sheria zao. Mfano, kama mnavyoweza kujiwekea kwamba mkenya haruhusiwi kupata uraia wa tanzania bila kuukana uraia wake wa kenya na kuikabidhi passport.

Dual si lazima by default kila mmoja atapata, mnaweza weka sheria ya kwamba anayeruhusiwa kuwa na Dual ni mzaliwa na aliye na baba ama mama mtanzania. Hiyo ndiyo maana ya sheria.