UTAFITI: Dhana ya Mfumo Kristu Tanzania na Ukweli wake

[Elungata]

Mathew fabricated jesus to be a new moses.
Jesus like moses was to be a saviour of his people israel.
Pharao at his time tryed to kill moses by killing every son born in hebrew in order to get moses.EXODUS 1:23.
Mathew did copy the sceneria by fabricating that herod tryed to kill baby jesus by ordering the killing of infant.
But of all write of gospel,it was mathew alone who came with the story about herod killing childrens.
Luke doesnt mention it.
Baby moses survived pharao attempt to kill him.mathew choose this story and make a fabricated story that show baby jesus surviving the attempt by herod to kill him when his parents flee to egypt.
But Luke in his narrating doesnt show that jesus did flee to egypt.
This jesus story as told in the bible is a fake story.
While mathew is busy building jesus as the saviour of israel.
Paul is busy building jesus as god.
Any man in his right mind can see the setup.

 

[Ally Kombo]

Acha wehu wewe bwanamdogo!

Jenga hoja au jibu hoja

.........mtoto wa kufikia, nimekuomba utupie sample ya dodoso la tafiti yako, kisha utujulishe jinsi ulivyoendesha hiyo tafiti na wataalam gani walikuongoza na kukushauri.

Watu laki tatu, (300,000) !!!?........nani aliku support na ulitumia kiasi gani cha pesa mpaka imekamilika ?:suspicious:

 

[Elungata]

Mathew2:16...when Herod realized that he had been outwitted by the magi,he was furious and he gave order.''kill all the boy in bethelehem and its vicinity who were two year old and under".

Mathew2:14-15,after magi departed mathew spin the tale that the jesus family made a mad dash to egypt having been tippedoff by an angle in dream of king herod intention.
The same angel make a promise to bring words when it will be ok and safe to return home.
The suprise is a few verse later,mathew2:20..the same angel is assuring them that it is safe to return.
After they return to judea,oddly enough joseph is not sure about the family safety.
In mathew 20:22 god himself agree a warning through yet another dream for jesus family to go to galilee.
Luke ,another gospel writer doesnt support this yarn about going to egypt,luke tell that after jesus was born,his family return to their home in nazaret,it doesnt mention egypt.
Even mathew doesnt tell us,where in egypt did they stay,how long were they in egypt?.
IT JUST SHOW THIS STORY WAS MANUFACTURED.

 

[Kikwajuni One]

Wewe kichaa kweli mbona unakimbilia tafsiri?ndio unadhani utaokoa roho yako..watu wanajua kiingereza hapa...ndio shida ya :BSV

Umepata aibu,baada ya kuitoa aya kwa kiswahili,Maneno ya shetani yanaondolewa,halafu mwenyewe Mungu,anayahakikisha kama yako sawa,ndio yanawafikia waumini.

 

[FADHILI KADEDE]

Wana jamii naomba mnipe maana ya memorundum of understands kati ya kanisa na serikali

 

[Geeky]

Mathew2:16...when Herod realized that he had been outwitted by the magi,he was furious and he gave order.''kill all the boy in bethelehem and its vicinity who were two year old and under".

Mathew2:14-15,after magi departed mathew spin the tale that the jesus family made a mad dash to egypt having been tippedoff by an angle in dream of king herod intention.
The same angel make a promise to bring words when it will be ok and safe to return home.
The suprise is a few verse later,mathew2:20..the same angel is assuring them that it is safe to return.
After they return to judea,oddly enough joseph is not sure about the family safety.
In mathew 20:22 god himself agree a warning through yet another dream for jesus family to go to galilee.
Luke ,another gospel writer doesnt support this yarn about going to egypt,luke tell that after jesus was born,his family return to their home in nazaret,it doesnt mention egypt.
Even mathew doesnt tell us,where in egypt did they stay,how long were they in egypt?.
IT JUST SHOW THIS STORY WAS MANUFACTURED.

It's Islam that has all the spins from the Bible, the Bible is the superset of your books. You paraphrase the bible yet you people can't hack Christianity after all these years. In fact the Muslim world is coming crushing down to the 21st century civilization. Jiulize kama utaweza kuishi Maisha ya kuteka nyara na kusilimisha watu kwa upanga ya jihad yanayosimuliwa ? I bet kama uislam usingekuta dunia civilized kila mtu angesilimishwa tatizo kazari wote Walikua wakristo wakati huo kama ilivyo sasa wakuu wote wakristo.

 

[Elungata]

It's Islam that has all the spins from the Bible, the Bible is the superset of your books. You paraphrase the bible yet you people can't hack Christianity after all these years. In fact the Muslim world is coming crushing down to the 21st century civilization. Jiulize kama utaweza kuishi Maisha ya kuteka nyara na kusilimisha watu kwa upanga ya jihad yanayosimuliwa ? I bet kama uislam usingekuta dunia civilized kila mtu angesilimishwa tatizo kazari wote Walikua wakristo wakati huo kama ilivyo sasa wakuu wote wakristo.

dont you have anything to say about the contradiction between the gospels writer mathew and Luke?.

Do you agree that the story is a spin?.
The injil in quran wasnt written by luke,paul or mathew.but the gospel in the bible was written by people who were not even the disciple of jesus.how did they know?it just show that their story was based on hearsay that is what it is full of contradiction.

 

[Elungata]

Wana jamii naomba mnipe maana ya memorundum of understands kati ya kanisa na serikali

stay tuned hapahapa ntakuletea kuhusu hiyo Mou,japo link yake waliitoa na kuibadili sababu ilikua inawaumbua,niliicopy sehemu ni ndefu kidogo natumia simu inabidi mpaka niwe na mda wa kuitype.

 

[Elungata]

It's Islam that has all the spins from the Bible, the Bible is the superset of your books. You paraphrase the bible yet you people can't hack Christianity after all these years. In fact the Muslim world is coming crushing down to the 21st century civilization. Jiulize kama utaweza kuishi Maisha ya kuteka nyara na kusilimisha watu kwa upanga ya jihad yanayosimuliwa ? I bet kama uislam usingekuta dunia civilized kila mtu angesilimishwa tatizo kazari wote Walikua wakristo wakati huo kama ilivyo sasa wakuu wote wakristo.

dont kid yourself that in your lifetime you going to witness the fall of islam.your wish i can guerentee is not going to be fullfilled.

Islam has passed through tough time than this remmember 300 years of fighting crusader and it came out of it strong.
Sadly to you you are going to die and leave islam still going strong.
Meanwhile it is christianity which is dying.church are being converted into casino,bar etc...tons of conmen have settled in christian faith starting ministry for the aim of enriching themselves.

 

[Elungata]

In case you didnt understand let me go back and try telling it to you step by step.
Mathew2:1 began by reporting that after jesus was born in bethelehem of judea(not israel) in the herode day.The magi(wisemen) reported to Herod that the king of jew had been born.
According to mathew,the family of jesus flee to egypt and STAY THERE UNTILL HERODE DEATH(mathew2:15,mather2:21-23).
In fact they stayed away from JERUSALEM not only for two years but for the entire ten years reign of herod successor,ARCHELOUS(mathew2:22).
THIS FLATLY CONTRADICT LUKE CLAIM that they stayed in NAZARETH the wholetime from the beginning and went to JERUSALEM every year WITHOUT FAIL.
The two accounts thus contradict EACH ORTHER in the most fundamental.
IF MATHEW IS RIGHT,LUKE IS WRONG AND VICEVERSE.

 

[Elungata]

Now lets have a look at Luke account.
Luke2:1-2,say that it happened in those day that a decree was issued by Caesar Augustus that a census be takken of all inhabited.
Jesus is born(luke2:3-7),then eight days later he is circumcised(luke2:22) ,(leviticus12:2-4)he is publicly presented at the Temple in JERUSALEM(Luke2:21-38)where two different people publicly proclaim him the messiah(simon,anne,)luke2:25-38.
Then HIS FAMILY RETURN TO JERUSALEM EVERY YEAR there after.(Luke 2:41)FOR TWELVE STRAIGHT YEARS(LUKE 2:42).
Why luke doesnt mention egypt.?
If herode was looking to kill jesus why didnt he do it as jesus family didn go to egypt according to luke and they always come to jerusalem every year.
Between mathew and Luke WHO IS TELLING THE TRUTH.

 

[Geeky]

dont kid yourself that in your lifetime you going to witness the fall of islam.your wish i can guerentee is not going to be fullfilled.

Islam has passed through tough time than this remmember 300 years of fighting crusader and it came out of it strong.
Sadly to you you are going to die and leave islam still going strong.
Meanwhile it is christianity which is dying.church are being converted into casino,bar etc...tons of conmen have settled in christian faith starting ministry for the aim of enriching themselves.

Islam to me is more of a tradition than it is a religion waarabu waliona mbona jews hawapatani na wakristo ngoja na sisi tutengeneze ustaharabu wetu hadith ikaanzia hapo. Ukristo umesurvive catacombs, gladiator games n.k

Wikipedia-persecution of Christians.

#The Christian experience of violence during the pagan persecutions shaped the ideologies and practices that drove further religious conflicts over the course of the fourth and fifth centuries.... The formative experience of martyrdom and persecution determined the ways in which later Christians would both use and experience violence under the Christian empire. Discourses of martyrdom and persecution formed the symbolic language through which Christians represented, justified, or denounced the use of violence#

Sasa tunaona Ukristo ulipitia mateso sana hapo Mwanzo. Then
right after Constantine was turned Christian and Rome adopted christianity as the official religion no other religion was tolerated except christianity but clearly that prevelege didn't come cheap. The reason was that Christians enjoyed martyrdom and accepted capital punishment to the extent that it defeated the moral quotient of its institution.
Hapo hata dini zilizofuata ziliiga kwa kuwa na jihad movement n. k (my understanding is that the prophet once visited Jerusalem and learned about these religions) ila sio Jambo jipya tofauti ni kwamba Christian martyrdom was used as protests against empirical suppressions but jihad is used against innocents today.

 

[Geeky]

dont you have anything to say about the contradiction between the gospels writer mathew and Luke?.

Do you agree that the story is a spin?.
The injil in quran wasnt written by luke,paul or mathew.but the gospel in the bible was written by people who were not even the disciple of jesus.how did they know?it just show that their story was based on hearsay that is what it is full of contradiction.

Injili ya quran ni revised edition ya gospel mtume alishakwenda Jerusalem na kudai kupewa hizo injil miaka 400 after Jesus died. au unataka sema mtu anayekuja miaka 400 anaweza kutoa account ya mambo bomba zaidi ya kina luke, john, Matthew and Peter. Walioishi na yesu? Ila ukiwa mwarabu ni rahisi kufuata hadith za madrassat.

 

[crabat]

Maelezo marefu ya nini. Umesema Yule mama mkaanani yesu alimwambia alitumwa kwa Israel pekee ila Maneno ya MWISHO ya Yesu kabla hajapaa ni *enendeni Duniani mwote mkaihubiri injili kwa kila kiumbe, aaminie na kubatizwa ataokoka mkiwabatiza kwa jina la Baba, Mwana na Roho Mtakatifu*
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Mark 16:15-16
King James Version (KJV)
15 And he said unto them, Go ye into all the world, and preach the gospel to every creature.

16 He that believeth and is baptized shall be saved; but he that believeth not shall be damned.
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Paulo akatoa msistizo ktk Galatians 3:26-

26.For ye are all the children of God by faith in Christ Jesus.
27For as many of you as have been baptized into Christ have put on Christ. 28There is neither Jew nor Greek, there is neither bond nor free, there is neither male nor female: for ye are all one in Christ Jesus.
29And if ye be Christ's, then are ye Abraham's seed, and heirs according to the promise.

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Yesu ni wa watu wote itashangaza 2k years on kama kuna mtu anajaribu kuredifine hilo.

Katika mfano uliotoa wa yule mama... Mfano au muujiza huo huwa unafanana na wa Kipofu Bathimayo ( Mark 10:46-52 ) katika dhana ya kwamba wote walioponywa walingangania miujiza yao ijapo walikutana na vikwazo kwa wanafunzi (kama Huyo mama) na hata wakati mwingine wangepewa mitihani na yesu mwenyewe. *kufufuliwa lazaro kulikuwa mitihani kwa dada yake Martha John 11 *(hapo - do your homework). Wengine Viwete waliambiwa jitwike godoro lako uende. John 5:1-18. kama hujatembea miaka 32 ukaambiwa Hivi ungejaribu?
Sasa huyu mama kama ungetuletea maandiko yote hapa i. e. Two accounts ( Matthew 15:21-28 and Mark 7:24-30) Swali ni je baada ya Yesu kuona imani yake na kutokata tamaa alimponya? Utapata jibu kwamba kama ktk miujiza mingine tunaona mama alipokea muujiza wake. Yesu alikuwa ni mwalimu bomba sana hata wayahudi hadi leo wanamtambua kama ' great rabbi' aliweza kusoma saikoloji ya watu hata huyu mama Jesus know her resolve to get her miracle. It sure was a memorable experience to the deciples.
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Here is an exerpt from Matthew 15:
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A Gentile Shows Her Faith

21 Then Jesus went out from there and departed to the region of Tyre and Sidon. 22 And behold, a woman of Canaan came from that region and cried out to Him, saying, “Have mercy on me, O Lord, Son of David! My daughter is severely demon-possessed.”

23 But He answered her not a word.

And His disciples came and urged Him, saying, “Send her away, for she cries out after us.”

24 But He answered and said, “I was not sent except to the lost sheep of the house of Israel.”

25 Then she came and worshiped Him, saying, “Lord, help me!”

26 But He answered and said, “It is not good to take the children’s bread and throw it to the little dogs.”

27 And she said, “Yes, Lord, yet even the little dogs eat the crumbs which fall from their masters’ table.”

28 Then Jesus answered and said to her, “O woman, great is your faith! Let it be to you as you desire.” And her daughter was healed from that very hour.
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I don't know about Mohammed the prophet but what gets me every time is if Muslims at least truly believe Jesus was a prophet why do they redicule him so much and further after 1.5k since Islam became a religion have they hacked the Christian world apart from a few quotes from the professors who are obviously seeking to dig things out of Islam as well. Among elites True critics tend to criticize All Abrahamic religions people like Christopher Hitchens, Stephen fry and Einstein were outright critics of all Abrahamic religions i.e. Including Islam, Christianity and Judaism.
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Do your homework.

Tofauti yetu kati yetu ni ndogo.....lakini pana....

• ukristo haukuwepo wakati yesu alipokua hai....hakuufundisha yeye alipokuwepo duniani...ukristo huu mnaofuata sasa ni dini iliyokuja baada ya mkutano wa Nicaea .bali ni dini mpya ambayo haina uhusiano na mitume walopita, yaani ukristo ni tofauti na dini ya Ibrahim, Mussa,Nuh na wengineo...ni dini mpya kabisa ndio maana hio dini haina mizizi pale walipo toka mitume ...rejea historia yenu ya mkutano wa kwanza wa christians huko Nicaea. huu ndio ulokuja na hii dini mpya ...ukitaka usitake huu ndio ukweli na haya makubaliano yalikuja baada ya vurugu na mauaji ya wazungu wenyewew kwa wenyewe na ushenzi mwingi huko nyuma , hivo walikaa pamoja ku create dini ambayo itawaunganisha....hivyo paulo akafit katika hili..na ndio mwanzo wa dini hii.
• uislam kama ulivo ni original toka day one Quaran imebaki moja na imeendelea kuwa hivo hadi leo. pia uislam ni dini kongwe ile ilokua ikifatwa na Mussa, Yessu , Ibrahim , Nuh nk dini ya kuwa Mungu ni mmoja na hana mshirika.....na amekuwa akichagua miongoni mwa wanadamu zaidi wana Israel kuwa Mitume wake.

hio ndio tofauti yetu...kwa ufupi mnafata dini mpya na sio alokuja nayo yesu....na huku afrika ililetwa wakati wa kinyanganyiro cha afrika na wazungu wakoloni waliona njia nzuri ni kuwabatiza waafrika kama njia ya kuwatawala ...

 

[Elungata]

Injili ya quran ni revised edition ya gospel mtume alishakwenda Jerusalem na kudai kupewa hizo injil miaka 400 after Jesus died. au unataka sema mtu anayekuja miaka 400 anaweza kutoa account ya mambo bomba zaidi ya kina luke, john, Matthew and Peter. Walioishi na yesu? Ila ukiwa mwarabu ni rahisi kufuata hadith za madrassat.

the guestion is,what do you have to say about CONTRADICTION IN THE BIBLE.

Is gospel in the bible a story based on hearsay or the word of god.

 

[kahtaan]

Acha wehu wewe bwanamdogo!

Jenga hoja au jibu hoja

Kwani vipi!
Au huyo nicholas unamuona anafanana na remi ongala!
Teh teh teh teh!

 

[kahtaan]

haha...umeona uharo huo...jamaa yupo busy anafaidi majinn......kajisahau na kuongea uovu wote..vampires....yupo jamaa aliwahi niambia kuna vizee anakaa navyo karibu huwa vinamsumbua sana kuchinja.Kuliko awanyime kuchinja watamhamisha ktk nyumba..Yeye alidhani ni kwa vile wanataka nyama.Kumbe wenzake ni sacrifice wanataka..na kadiri wanachelewa ndivyo...jamaa wanavyotishia wageuka.

Mojawapo ya hayo malalamiko ni hili la wakristu kutakiwa finance hii system kubwa ya wachinjaji ili kuongeza makafara.Wakinchinja wanakuwa na nguvu kubwa ya giza, wasipochinja wanakaribia kaburi, au waue mwingine.

We unasema kuchinja waliberali ni uovu?
Basi inamaana kuwaruhusu kuoana kwenye hayonl mahekalu yenu itakuwa ni ibada kama ile ya kunywa damu ya bwana sio!?
Teh teh teh teh!
Pombe za kienyeji ni balaa sana!

 

[Lekanjobe Kubinika]

Enyi wagatia musio kuwa na akili munasemaje kuhusu kuuawa kwa yesu wakati nyinyi munasema yesu ni mungu halafu mungu huyohuyo auawe nna viumbe vyak mwenye alivyoviumba? Inaingia akilini hiyo poleni sana kwa ufinyu waakili ,vichwa vyenu vinahitaji mwekezaji

Mambo ya Mungu hayahitaji kujadiliwa kwa matusi ndugu yangu. Ukiona matusi yanakuja mbele utukane basi ujue bwana wako unayemtumikia ana kasoro. Mungu ni mpole lakini ana wivu ulao moto. Upole wake ndio unaokufanya wewe pia uishi kwa neema pamoja na mimi na yule. Asiyependa kukusanya kwa upole hutawanya kwa matusi. Mungu (Yule aliye Hai na sio mwingine) na akujalie kufunguka macho ya rohoni uipate hekima ya kutafakari kabla ya kunena, maana huenda unacho kitu cha kuwapa watu katika mawazo yako, lakini roho ya kukataliwa inakusumbua. Unahitaji kuombewa kwa Jina la Yesu unayemchafua kwa maneno yako.

 

[Geeky]

the guestion is,what do you have to say about CONTRADICTION IN THE BIBLE.

Is gospel in the bible a story based on hearsay or the word of god.

There are no contradictions it's the word of God, sio hadith kama mnafahamiana mnavyoita hadith za mtume or mazimulizi ya mtume fulani. We do believe it is the inspired word of God. These deciples have made it clear in every book: that they bear account of the things they saw.
All these books were of course written as letters or nyaraka kwa makanisa au hata kwa watu maalum waliohitaji kujua mambo yalivyotokea wakati wa Yesu but we maintain they are indeed inspired and not false reports as you say because many if not all of those very apostles like Peter, Paul, John all died witnessing the gospel it makes no sense why would they lie about it. Here is an excerpt from Luke 1:1

1 Forasmuch as many have taken in hand to set forth in order a declaration of those things which are most surely believed among us,

2 Even as they delivered them unto us, which from the beginning were eyewitnesses, and ministers of the word;

3 It seemed good to me also, having had perfect understanding of all things from the very first, to write unto thee in order, most excellent Theophilus,

4 That thou mightest know the certainty of those things, wherein thou hast been instructed.

And all the books always start with introduction as to whom those words were sent. eg The book of
Timothy to Timothy ( who is believed to have been a bishop at the time) .
--the book of Romans to the church of Rome etc.
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Luke anaonesha wazi kwamba Anaandika alioyaona na kusikia kwa Yesu.

Also here:

Peter endorses Paul and warns Christians of people who pervert scriptures like you want to.

2 Peter 3:14-16
King James Version (KJV)
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14 Wherefore, beloved, seeing that ye look for such things, be diligent that ye may be found of him in peace, without spot, and blameless.

15 And account that the longsuffering of our Lord is salvation; even as our beloved brother Paul also according to the wisdom given unto him hath written unto you;

16 As also in all his epistles, speaking in them of these things; in which are some things hard to be understood, which they that are unlearned and unstable wrest, as they do also the other scriptures, unto their own destruction.

 

[kahtaan]

Injili ya quran ni revised edition ya gospel mtume alishakwenda Jerusalem na kudai kupewa hizo injil miaka 400 after Jesus died. au unataka sema mtu anayekuja miaka 400 anaweza kutoa account ya mambo bomba zaidi ya kina luke, john, Matthew and Peter. Walioishi na yesu? Ila ukiwa mwarabu ni rahisi kufuata hadith za madrassat.

Nimekuulizeni swali doogo sana! Lkn juu ya kujifanya mna elimu mmeshindwa kulijibu!
Narudia tena,
Haonuliowataja hapo juu, ili tukubaliane na maneno yao. Kuna kanuni ndooogo YA MUHIMU SAANA KTK ULIMWENGU,
nayo ni KILA MWANDISHI WA DOCUMENTS YOYOTE LAZIMA TENA LAZIMA AWE NA MAJINA (kwa uchache) MAWILI, Yaani la kwake na la BABA YAKE! AU LA UKOO WAKE!!
HII NI KANUNI!

SASA NAOMBA NYIE WAKRISTO WOOTE MNIPE MAJINA YA PILI YA HAWA WAANDISHI WA BIBLIA!.

1.MATTHEW....?
2.JOHN.......?
3.MARK ........?
4.PETER......?
na pia huyu LUKA ......who?

wewe ukipewa cheque ya jina moja utapokea?
Passport yako ikiwa na jina moja ni halali?
Driving licence ikiwa na jina moja itakubalika??
Certificate yyt ya elimu ikiwa na jina moja nani ataikubali??

Umeshawahi kuona Hata KITABU CHA HADITHI ZA WATOTO MWANDISHI ANA JINA MOJA TU!?

NITAJIE LEGALL DOCUMENT YOYOTE DUNIANI AMBAYO MWANDISHI KAWEKA JINA MOJA TU,!!

HAKUNA!!

HUWEZI KUPATA! ISPOKUWA BIBLIA PEKE YAKE!

ISN'T THAT SOMETHING YOU SHOULD ASK YOURSELF BEFORE SAID ANYTHING??

CAN ANY OF YOU EXPLAIN THAT??!!
cc Eiyer MaxShimba Nicholas @yerikco nyerere na mgalatia yyt!