Vipi mtu asiyejua kusoma na kuandika, aliyeishi miaka 1400 iliyopita akajua haya?

[Kikwajuni One]

Sasa unakataa na kukubali wewe mwenyewe! mimi na wewe huyo Qathem(Muhammad) nani uelewa mdogo?
je, sayansi inasema jua linazunguka/tembea na kwenda kuzama matopeni kukubaliana na qurani yako??

Kisa cha jua unachozungumzia,hii ni historia,anaelezew Mtume Muhammad,kuhusu anayeitwa Dhul Karnain,huyu mtu ndiye aliyeona hilo jua,kwa upeo wa macho ya kibinadamu,ndio aliona linatua(tofautisha kuzama na kutua)katika chemchem(ziwa)lenye matope mengi.Huyu ndio aliona hilo jua kutua(sio kuzama).
Alkahf (18):86
Kwa hiyo alioyeona ni huyo Dhul karnain.

 

[JaffarMohammed]

Kweli kabisa zimefanyika attempt nyingi za kuharibu mwili wa farao lakini zimeshindikana,Quran imesema mwili umewekwa pale ili kua ushahidi kwa vizazi na vizazi

Mwili wake ulipatikana baada ya miaka mingi sana takribani baada ya miaka 3000. Yaani hapo hata Yesu alikuja na kuondoka bila mwili wa huyu mtu kujulikana ulipo. Na mda wote huo mwili ulikua baharini wala haukuliwa na viumbe wa majini na wala haukuoza.

Walipoupata mwaka 1898 walijariby

kuuchoma moto lakini haukuungua.

Walijaribu kuuchoma sumu ya kuuozesha lakini badala ya kuoza ukazidi kunawiri.

Waliuzika lakini baada ya siku kadhaa ukajitokeza tena juu ya ardhi

Ni mengi yamefanywa mwishowe ukaweka kwenye jumba la makumbusho huko misri.

Quran imeandika suala hili kabla hata mwili wa jamaa huyu haujapatikani.

 

[JaffarMohammed]

1. Hapana Hakua hai
2. walivushwa baharini.
3. Ndio vyote vilisha tokea
4.nini cha ajabu hapo? cha ajabu hapo kisa cha firauni na mussa kuna mafunzo yakuji funza kutoka kwenye visa vyao, napia science ya sasa imekuja kugundua 1889 miaka hio kama sija kosea na huyu mwili wake haku fanyiwa hi fadhi kama ma pharaoh wengine huyu ali hi fadhiwa na Mwenyezi Mungu ili mpate kujifunza na muogope mungu.
5. ndio historia. watu tuna jifunza kwenye historia tuna jua tuliko tokea tulipo na tunapoelekea ndo maana vitabu vyote via historia.

Ni mwaka 1898 ndio uligunduliwa mwili wake. Tena wavuvi ndio waliokota ukielea baharini. Wakidhani ni mtu aliekufa jana yake tu!

 

[JaffarMohammed]

mbona hushangai mnaposema mimba ya Issa ilitungwa ndani ya masaa 9 na akazaliwa chini ya mtende!

Weka andiko hapa tafadhali. [emoji23] [emoji115]
Yaani ukitaka uonekane mjinga humu ndani ropoka bila ushahidi [emoji23]

 

[Kituko]

Mwili wake ulipatikana baada ya miaka mingi sana takribani baada ya miaka 3000. Yaani hapo hata Yesu alikuja na kuondoka bila mwili wa huyu mtu kujulikana ulipo. Na mda wote huo mwili ulikua baharini wala haukuliwa na viumbe wa majini na wala haukuoza.

Walipoupata mwaka 1898 walijariby

kuuchoma moto lakini haukuungua.

Walijaribu kuuchoma sumu ya kuuozesha lakini badala ya kuoza ukazidi kunawiri.

Waliuzika lakini baada ya siku kadhaa ukajitokeza tena juu ya ardhi

Ni mengi yamefanywa mwishowe ukaweka kwenye jumba la makumbusho huko misri.

Quran imeandika suala hili kabla hata mwili wa jamaa huyu haujapatikani.

Acha kukishwa matango pori kaka, unamzungumzia Pharaoh yupi?, maana miili mingi imepatikana, na lini walipotaka kumchoma moto? Lete ushahidi hapa sio kuleta dhana

 

[Kituko]

Ni mwaka 1898 ndio uligunduliwa mwili wake. Tena wavuvi ndio waliokota ukielea baharini. Wakidhani ni mtu aliekufa jana yake tu!

Acha uongo

 

[JaffarMohammed]

Acha kukishwa matango pori kaka, unamzungumzia Pharaoh yupi?, maana miili mingi imepatikana, na lini walipotaka kumchoma moto? Lete ushahidi hapa sio kuleta dhana

Kwani Wewe unahisi tunamuongelea farao gani? Soma mjadala wote kabla ya kukurupuka

 

[JaffarMohammed]

Acha uongo

Wewe kweli kituko[emoji23]
Haya sema wewe huo ukweli wako

 

[Kisoda2]

Kisa cha jua unachozungumzia,hii ni historia,anaelezew Mtume Muhammad,kuhusu anayeitwa Dhul Karnain,huyu mtu ndiye aliyeona hilo jua,kwa upeo wa macho ya kibinadamu,ndio aliona linatua(tofautisha kuzama na kutua)katika chemchem(ziwa)lenye matope mengi.Huyu ndio aliona hilo jua kutua(sio kuzama).
Alkahf (18):86
Kwa hiyo alioyeona ni huyo Dhul karnain.

kama huyo aliona hivyo Muhammad alisemaje juu ya hilo?

hebu tueleze kisa hiki anakisimulia nani?
“They will ask thee of Dhu'l-Qarneyn. Say: I shall recite unto you a remembrance of him. Lo! We made him strong in the land and gave him unto every thing a road. And he followed a road Till, when he reached the setting-place of the sun, he found it setting in a muddy spring, and found a people thereabout. We said: O Dhu'l-Qarneyn! Either punish or show them kindness. He said: As for him who doeth wrong, we shall punish him, and then he will be brought back unto his Lord, Who will punish him with awful punishment! But as for him who believeth and doeth right, good will be his reward, and We shall speak unto him a mild command. Then he followed a road Till, when he reached the rising-place of the sun, he found it rising on a people for whom We had appointed no shelter therefrom. So (it was). And We knew all concerning him.” S. 18:83-91 (Pickthall).

Na je hadith hii unasemaje?

5) There is a hadith by Abu Dharr which has Muhammad making similar claims concerning the sunset:

• “Abu Dharr (one of Muhammad’s close companions) was with Muhammad during the sunset. Muhammad asked him: ‘Do you know, O Abu Dharr where this sun sets?’ He answered; ‘God and His apostle know better.’ Muhammad said: ‘It sets in a spring of slimy water’” – al-Zamakhshari, The Kahshaf (3rd Edition, Vol. 2, p. 743, 1987) [1]

6) Al-Tabari and al-Baydawi both understood this passage in a literal sense.

• “The sun sets in a slimy spring: that is, a well which contains mud. Some of the readers of the Quran read it, ‘…a hot spring’, thus the spring combines the two descriptions. It was said that Ibn ‘Abbas found Mu’awiya reading it (as) hot. He told him, ‘It is muddy,’ Mu’awiya sent to Ka’b al-Ahbar and asked him. ‘Where does the sun set?’ He said in water and mud and there were some people. So he agreed with the statement of ibn al-‘Abbas. And there was a man who composed a few verses of poetry about the setting of the sun in the slimy spring.”– al-Baydawi, The Lights of Revelation (p. 399)
• Al-Tabari went so far as to say the pool where the sun sets contains lime (see theConcise Interpretation of Tabari, p. 19 of part 2)[1]

 

[Kituko]

Kwani Wewe unahisi tunamuongelea farao gani? Soma mjadala wote kabla ya kukurupuka

Wewe ndio usome huu mjadala, naona umeuingilia kati, hilo swali la Pharaoh nimeshalijibu na nimeweka na video kabisa rudi nyumba na uniambie katika hao mapharao nilioweka video zao huyo wa Mussa ni yupi?

 

[Kituko]

Wewe kweli kituko[emoji23]
Haya sema wewe huo ukweli wako

Ukweli ni kuwa hicho unachokisema ni ugunduzi wa Quraan ni uongo, vyote vilivyozungumzwa vilishakuwepo, anza huu uzi polepole utapata ilmu

 

[Kikwajuni One]

kama huyo aliona hivyo Muhammad alisemaje juu ya hilo?

hebu tueleze kisa hiki anakisimulia nani?
“They will ask thee of Dhu'l-Qarneyn. Say: I shall recite unto you a remembrance of him. Lo! We made him strong in the land and gave him unto every thing a road. And he followed a road Till, when he reached the setting-place of the sun, he found it setting in a muddy spring, and found a people thereabout. We said: O Dhu'l-Qarneyn! Either punish or show them kindness. He said: As for him who doeth wrong, we shall punish him, and then he will be brought back unto his Lord, Who will punish him with awful punishment! But as for him who believeth and doeth right, good will be his reward, and We shall speak unto him a mild command. Then he followed a road Till, when he reached the rising-place of the sun, he found it rising on a people for whom We had appointed no shelter therefrom. So (it was). And We knew all concerning him.” S. 18:83-91 (Pickthall).

Na je hadith hii unasemaje?

5) There is a hadith by Abu Dharr which has Muhammad making similar claims concerning the sunset:

• “Abu Dharr (one of Muhammad’s close companions) was with Muhammad during the sunset. Muhammad asked him: ‘Do you know, O Abu Dharr where this sun sets?’ He answered; ‘God and His apostle know better.’ Muhammad said: ‘It sets in a spring of slimy water’” – al-Zamakhshari, The Kahshaf (3rd Edition, Vol. 2, p. 743, 1987) [1]

6) Al-Tabari and al-Baydawi both understood this passage in a literal sense.

• “The sun sets in a slimy spring: that is, a well which contains mud. Some of the readers of the Quran read it, ‘…a hot spring’, thus the spring combines the two descriptions. It was said that Ibn ‘Abbas found Mu’awiya reading it (as) hot. He told him, ‘It is muddy,’ Mu’awiya sent to Ka’b al-Ahbar and asked him. ‘Where does the sun set?’ He said in water and mud and there were some people. So he agreed with the statement of ibn al-‘Abbas. And there was a man who composed a few verses of poetry about the setting of the sun in the slimy spring.”– al-Baydawi, The Lights of Revelation (p. 399)
• Al-Tabari went so far as to say the pool where the sun sets contains lime (see theConcise Interpretation of Tabari, p. 19 of part 2)[1]

Nafikiri nimeshakuambia,ukitafsiri kitu chochote kutoka lugha moja kwenda nyingine,upo uwezakano mkubwa wa kupotosha maana halisi ya neno la asili.Kila lugha inafuata utamaduni wa watu wanaohusika na lugha.
Wewe unachosoma na kucopy na kupaste ni tafsiri ya Qutr'an sio Qur'an.Tafsiri ya lugha mbili tofauti zenye utamaduni tofauti.Kiarabu ni lugha ambayo imejitosheleza sana kwa maneno,tofauti na lugha yoyote,ndio maana ukisoma tafsiri ya Qur'an,haisemwi umesoma Qur'an,inakuwa umesoma tafsiri ya Qur'an.
Kuna maneno hata katika kiingereza yanakuwa na tofauti ikitumika comma,kwa mfano
1.
Kill him,not till I come
2
Kill him not,till I come
Hizo ni sentesi mbili za kiingereza zenye maana tofauti,wakati maneno yanafanana,comma ndio imeleta utofauti huo,kama una ujuzi kwenye lugha ya kiingereza,nafikiri utanielewa.Maneno hayo ukiyafsiri kwenye kiswahili hata ukiweka koma,itakuja maana moja,sio mbili tofauti

Kwa hiyo kwenye kiarabu ni zaidi,mpaka uwe umesomea lugha kiarabu kwa kiwango cha juu.
Hata kiswahili pia,kiswahili cha kusoma shule na tunachoongea ni tofauti,huwa wazazi wengi waswahili,ambao hawakupitia shule,hushangaa wakisikia mwanawe mswahili kapata F kiswahili na mchina kapata A kiswahili.
Kiarabu kilichotumika katika Qur'an ni cha kisomi,classic Arabic,ambapo muarabu ambaye hajui classic Arabic,hawezi kuelewa maana,na imefanyika makusudi ili waislamu wasome,kusoma katika uislamu ni lazima sio hiyari.

 

[Kikwajuni One]

Ukweli ni kuwa hicho unachokisema ni ugunduzi wa Quraan ni uongo, vyote vilivyozungumzwa vilishakuwepo, anza huu uzi polepole utapata ilmu

Kama vilikuwepo kwa nini hakuna rejea ya yoyote,ila karibia vyote vinaonekana vingendulika karne hizi za science na technolojia.
Yote yaliondikwa katika Qur'an ni sahihi,na wanathibitisha hilo wasomi na wanasayansi wa karne za sasa(japo Qur'an inajithibitisha wenyewe,haihitaji kuthibitishwa na kiumbe chochote)

 

[JaffarMohammed]

Wewe ndio usome huu mjadala, naona umeuingilia kati, hilo swali la Pharaoh nimeshalijibu na nimeweka na video kabisa rudi nyumba na uniambie katika hao mapharao nilioweka video zao huyo wa Mussa ni yupi?

Faraoh ninaemungelea hapo ndio yule wa Mussa. Unapingamizi lolote?

 

[JaffarMohammed]

Ukweli ni kuwa hicho unachokisema ni ugunduzi wa Quraan ni uongo, vyote vilivyozungumzwa vilishakuwepo, anza huu uzi polepole utapata ilmu

Quran imetamka hayo kabla mwili huo haujaokotwa wala kuonekana.

 

[Kituko]

Kama vilikuwepo kwa nini hakuna rejea ya yoyote,ila karibia vyote vinaonekana vingendulika karne hizi za science na technolojia.
Yote yaliondikwa katika Qur'an ni sahihi,na wanathibitisha hilo wasomi na wanasayansi wa karne za sasa(japo Qur'an inajithibitisha wenyewe,haihitaji kuthibitishwa na kiumbe chochote)

Kaka rejea zipo, we haujaupitia huu uzi wote ili kujinufaisha kielimu, hapo mwanzo mbona tumeweka rejea nyingi tu?

 

[Kituko]

Quran imetamka hayo kabla mwili huo haujaokotwa wala kuonekana.

Kaka Quran imeandika vitu vilivyokuwepo na vilivyokuwa vinazungumzwa, hiyo habari ya Kukaushwa kwa Pharaoh sio laana ya Mungu, bali ni utaratibu wa Mapharaoh na watu wenye heshima kubwa kukaushwa na kuzikwa kwenye Masanduku,

Jakobo baba ya wana 12 wa Islael, alifia Misri kwa Mwanae Yusuph, na Yusuph aliwaambia Madaktari wa Kimisri wamkaushe Baba yake na wamuweke kwenye Sanduku kama walivyokuwa wanafanywa Mapharaoh na watu maarufu, na kweli walifanya hivyo na akabebwa kuja kuzikwa kwao (Kutoka 50), hivyo basi hata Mwili wa Jacobo upo umekaushwa sehemu na ipo siku utaonekana tu,

Kwà taarifa tu, Hakuna mwili wa Pharaoh uliokutwa unaelea Baharini, huo ni uongo na wewe umeumeza bila kufikiria wala

 

[jolm]

sija sema havikuwepo vilikuwepo ila 1400 iliopita technology ilikua duniiiii saaana tuseme kulikua hakuna ila technology ya sasa ndo wamekuja kuvigundua.

Braza nenda shule tena kasome upya. Utachekwa

 

[Kikwajuni One]

Kaka rejea zipo, we haujaupitia huu uzi wote ili kujinufaisha kielimu, hapo mwanzo mbona tumeweka rejea nyingi tu?

Hakuna,huu mjadala nimeanza toka mwanzo.

 

[Kituko]

Hakuna,huu mjadala nimeanza toka mwanzo.

Kaka hapa tunarudiarudia tu, ok wewe unataka kujua nini?