Who created God? Who made him? Where did he come from?

[Mekatilili]

Do you believe in nothing or are you sure for certain there is nothing and you can support your notions?

There is no evidence whatsoever that supports the existence of a god. I therefore do not accept the concept of a "god" or deities and the supernatural as true.

I believe in many things: kindness, love, equality for all, peace, knowledge, stability, logic and prosperity for all.

 

[Mekatilili]

Prove prove prove who cares.

Give me some empirical facts.

What are the facts in "negative god"?

Repeating what is an illogical question will not yield a different response. This is an elementary level logical fallacy. It is laughable for you to propose this as a valid point in any argument.

Ill repeat:

Can you prove that I do not have a 9 headed, golden winged goat?

You are dabbling in a logical fallacy; negative proof. The burden of proof is on you, the one proposing the existence, not the one questioning the existence!

I do not have anything to prove! You are the one claiming there is a god, the onus is on you to provide us empirical evidence for the existence of a god.

 

[Mashaxizo]

Very true!!! Not too long ago, before the development of the germ theory, diseases were said to be curses from god. When a disabled child was born, it was believed that it was punishment for transgressions.

Tatizo lenu mnashindwa kuelewa nini Mungu anafanya na nini hafanyi!
Kunamatukio ya kihistoria yanaonesha kufanywa na Mungu na hilo halina ubishi!
Na kama mnabisha naomba mnipe sababu kwanini mwili wa firauni upo mpaka leo?
Cc: Free ideas!

 

[thinky]

I do not know what your question is. If you have a question to ask, knock yourself out.

rudi juu kwenye uzi utakuta umequote maswali am done

 

[Free ideas]

Tatizo lenu mnashindwa kuelewa nini Mungu anafanya na nini hafanyi!
Kunamatukio ya kihistoria yanaonesha kufanywa na Mungu na hilo halina ubishi!
Na kama mnabisha naomba mnipe sababu kwanini mwili wa firauni upo mpaka leo?
Cc: Free ideas!

Kuwepo mpaka sasa kwa mwil wa filauni sio sababu ya KUTHIBITISHA UWEPO WA MUNGU,unachitakiwa kujua n kwamba,kushindwa luju jambo sio uthibitisho kwamba kuna mungu.

Zamani zile filauni alibudiwa kama mungu na watu wa jamii yake.Na aina ya uzikwaji wake ama uhifadhi wa mwili wake ulikuwa special pia.,na hii haikufanyika kwake tu,bali kwa watu wengi maarufu katika miaka ile.

Pale hakuna kipya isipokuwa ni aina kama USINDIKAJI/UKAUSHAJI,wa kitu ili kidumu kwa muda mrefu..Jaribu kusom vitabu mbal mbali vya historia utaona jinsi ilivofanyika,kwa sasa ujuz ule ume be-replaced na chemicals ambazo mwil huchomwa na kukaa mazingira yoyote bila kuoza wala kuharibika. We unashangaa mwil wa filauni (wa misri)kukaa kitambo bila kuharibika lakini unaona kawaida pyramids zilivojengwa??.

Na hapa nakurudisha katika comment yangu flani kuhusu technologia ya watu wa ukanda ule ambao hata maandishi/calendar /mahesabu/nyota,inasadikika walianza kujua kitambo,.Ndo man mnasoma kazi za mikono yao na Kuziita takatifu.

 

[Mshiiri]

Cause and Effect:
Every single effect first had a cause that can be traced to a previous effect from another cause, and so on. But where did it begin? It all started with a single First Cause-the God who is above and existed before all other causes.
-For those who therefore learnt physics and can connect the dot, we have Universal Laws and the First Law states "matter can neither be created nor destroyed" What does this mean?

When this universal law is traced backwards, one is faced again with the possibility that there is an ongoing chain of ever-decreasing effects, resulting from an infinite chain of nonprimary ever-increasing causes. However, what appears more probable is the existence of an Uncaused Source - Uncreated cause, an omnipotent, omniscient, eternal, and Primary, First Cause.

Uncreated Creator:
A number of sceptics ask this question. But God by definition is the uncreated creator of the universe, so the question ‘Who created God?' is illogical, just like ‘what is the smell of the blue colour?' Colour is not in the category of things that smell but seen for it either reflect, refract or absorb light.
So a more sophisticated questioner might ask: ‘If the universe needs a cause, then why doesn't God need a cause? And if God doesn't need a cause, why should the universe need a cause?' In reply, believers should use the following reasoning:

1. Everything which has a beginning has a cause.
2. The universe has a beginning.
3. Therefore the universe has a cause.

It's important to stress the words in bold type. The universe requires a cause because it had a beginning, as will be shown below. God, unlike the universe, had no beginning, so doesn't need a cause. In addition, Einstein's general relativity, which has much experimental support, shows that time is linked to matter and space. So time itself would have begun along with matter and space. Since God, by definition, is the creator of the whole universe, he is the creator of time. Therefore He is not limited by the time dimension He created, so has no beginning in time-God is ‘the high and lofty One that inhabiteth eternity' (Is. 57:15). Therefore He doesn't have a cause.

REFERENCE
1. If God created the universe, then who created God? - creation.com
2. Cause and Effect

 

[Mashaxizo]

Kuwepo mpaka sasa kwa mwil wa filauni sio sababu ya KUTHIBITISHA UWEPO WA MUNGU,unachitakiwa kujua n kwamba,kushindwa luju jambo sio uthibitisho kwamba kuna mungu.

Natambua hilo! Lakini ninyi munaamini sayansi inaproof ya mambo yote! Si ndio?
Kwanini mnashindwa kuproof namna ya mwili wa Pharao ulivyodumu?

Zamani zile filauni alibudiwa kama mungu na watu wa jamii yake.Na aina ya uzikwaji wake ama uhifadhi wa mwili wake ulikuwa special pia.,na hii haikufanyika kwake tu,bali kwa watu wengi maarufu katika miaka ile.

Huo uspecial hauna maelezo?
Mbona ulisema Waisrael waliendelea kimaandishi kiasi cha kurekodi mambo ya mababu zao? Kwanini wasirekodi na hili?

Pale hakuna kipya isipokuwa ni aina kama USINDIKAJI/UKAUSHAJI,wa kitu ili kidumu kwa muda mrefu..Jaribu kusom vitabu mbal mbali vya historia utaona jinsi ilivofanyika,kwa sasa ujuz ule ume be-replaced na chemicals ambazo mwil huchomwa na kukaa mazingira yoyote bila kuoza wala kuharibika.

Ivi unajua firauni alikufa ktk mazingira gani?
Ulisoma wapi kuwa mwili wa firauni ulisindikwa?
Jee unatambua mwili wake ulichukua mda gani hadi ukafika pale ulipo leo?

Na jee unatambua kuwa zilipita jitihada za kutosha ili kuupoteza ule mwili na ilishindikana?

Unajua ni kwanini ilishindikana?
Haujasoma kuwa ule mwili ulitiwa kwenye acid na ulishindwa kuyeyuka?
Haukusoma kuwa ule mwili waliufunga na kitu kizito na kuutupa baharini? Kwanini uliibuka?

We unashangaa mwil wa filauni (wa misri)kukaa kitambo bila kuharibika lakini unaona kawaida pyramids zilivojengwa??.

Pyramids si zilichongwa tu! Tena na watumwa!
Kitu ambacho hata leo kinawezekana!

Na hapa nakurudisha katika comment yangu flani kuhusu technologia ya watu wa ukanda ule ambao hata maandishi/calendar /mahesabu/nyota,inasadikika walianza kujua kitambo,.Ndo man mnasoma kazi za mikono yao na Kuziita takatifu.

Free ideas ule mwili uliahidiwa na Mungu kwamba utaonekana na vizazi vyote vitakavyofatia!
Wasiomuamini Mungu walitaka kumpoteza ili ithibitike huyo Mungu hayupo! Walitumia njia nyingi sana kuhakikisha ule mwili unapotea but wameshindwa!
...
Mungu yupo! Alikuepo na ataendelea kuwepo!
Fahamtum?

 

[Mekatilili]

Tatizo lenu mnashindwa kuelewa nini Mungu anafanya na nini hafanyi!
Kunamatukio ya kihistoria yanaonesha kufanywa na Mungu na hilo halina ubishi!
Na kama mnabisha naomba mnipe sababu kwanini mwili wa firauni upo mpaka leo?
Cc: Free ideas!

Provide evidence for your last claim, that pharaoh's body is intact to this date.

Provide evidence for the existence of god.

 

[kholo]

Mmmh! Naona kama kuna hoja zingine mbili hapa japo sio mahala pake sio mbaya ili atakaeguswa aanzishe uzi.
Kulingana na hoja ya ndugu mchangiaji ni kwamba non christian hawajasoma/hawataki kutumia elimu yao/ hawawezi/hawakotayari kutafuta ukweli wa wanachokiamini/walichoaminishwa. Pili ni kuwa kulingana na baadhi ya maandiko katika biblia japo sina uhakika kama yapo kwenye quran ni kuwa, kati ya viumbe vyote binadamu tu ndiye jaaliwa utashi kuweza kuchanganua mambo na akili tofauti na viumbe wengine. Nanukuu baadhi ya maandiko "Watu wangu wanaangamia kwa kukosa maarifa MUHUBIRI kama sijakosea" "Ukiijua kweli nayo kweli itakuweka huru nawe utakuwa huru kweli kweli", Mshike sana elimu usimwache aende zake maana ndiyo uzima wako nk. hoja hapa ni je, ikiwa Mungu mwenyewe ametaka watu wasome, wawe na maarifa ili mwisho wa siku watafute kujua kweli iwaweke huru then wasiotaka kujua kweli(non christian) wanafanya dhambi kwa kutofuata maagizo ya mungu wala hawana maarifa na hawajui wanachokiamini. Ni mtizamo tuu lakin.
NGOJA NIKAPATE CHA USIKU NIRUDI KUCHANGIA TOPIC.

 

[Mashaxizo]

Provide evidence for your last claim, that pharaoh's body is intact to this date.

Aisee! Saivi hakuna jitihada zinazotumika ili kuupoteza hule mwili!
Wamisri wanautumia kupreserve history na kuwaingizia kipato kwa watalii!
But hiyo siyo hoja kwamba ule mwili haukujaribiwa kupotezwa!
Ule mwili ulimwagiwa hata acid na ulishindikana kuyeyuka!

Na jee unajua ule mwili ulitangatanga mda gani hadi kufika pale ulipo leo?
Jee kama hakuna force ya Mungu ungefika pale ulipo?

Provide evidence for the existence of god.

Wewe unaandika kizungu but unauswahili mwingi sana ktk bongo yako!!!

Nimekuuliza swali hata haujajibu umesharusha maswali ambayo yataondoa issue on table (irrelevant question to the fact in issue)

Hilo swali lako liweke kiporo na ujibu swali langu then nitakujibu!

And if unafact za kutosha basi tufanye mijadala miwili! 1 pharaoh body na 2 uwepo wa Mungu!
...
Embu nijibu swali langu kama nilivyokuuliza!

Kwanini mwili wa firauni upo mpaka leo?

 

[Mashaxizo]

Mmmh! Naona kama kuna hoja zingine mbili hapa japo sio mahala pake sio mbaya ili atakaeguswa aanzishe uzi.
Kulingana na hoja ya ndugu mchangiaji ni kwamba non christian hawajasoma/hawataki kutumia elimu yao/ hawawezi/hawakotayari kutafuta ukweli wa wanachokiamini/walichoaminishwa. Pili ni kuwa kulingana na baadhi ya maandiko katika biblia japo sina uhakika kama yapo kwenye quran ni kuwa, kati ya viumbe vyote binadamu tu ndiye jaaliwa utashi kuweza kuchanganua mambo na akili tofauti na viumbe wengine. Nanukuu baadhi ya maandiko "Watu wangu wanaangamia kwa kukosa maarifa MUHUBIRI kama sijakosea" "Ukiijua kweli nayo kweli itakuweka huru nawe utakuwa huru kweli kweli", Mshike sana elimu usimwache aende zake maana ndiyo uzima wako nk. hoja hapa ni je, ikiwa Mungu mwenyewe ametaka watu wasome, wawe na maarifa ili mwisho wa siku watafute kujua kweli iwaweke huru then wasiotaka kujua kweli(non christian) wanafanya dhambi kwa kutofuata maagizo ya mungu wala hawana maarifa na hawajui wanachokiamini. Ni mtizamo tuu lakin.
NGOJA NIKAPATE CHA USIKU NIRUDI KUCHANGIA TOPIC.

Ukirudi kupata cha usiku uje unyooshe maelezo hapa! Non christian ni pagani, budha, juddis, washirikina, muslim or wote hao?

Mbona Islam inataka watu watafute elimu hadi China!
Na huku kutafuta elimu sio option bali ni wajibu!
Tena elimu zote zinaruhusiwa kusomwa! Kilichoharamishwa ni matumizi mabaya ya elimu hiyo!

 

[kholo]

Nimerudi wadau. Twende taratibu wala tusidandie gari kwa mbele. Tujue kwanza mungu ni kitu gani na na yupo au hayupo?.

Hebu tuanzie hapa ndo tuende kwenye alitoka wapi/ nani alimuumba.

ZINGATIA;- SIJUI KIDHUNGU SANA HUENDA IMEELEZWA NDANI YA UZI, LAKINI SIO MBAYA TUKIWA WAZALENDO TUKAENEZA UPENDO KWA LUGHA YETU.

 

[FORWARD]

Hivi kuna mwanadamu hana ukomo wa kufikiri na kufahamu?

 

[sajumo]

Nimerudi wadau. Twende taratibu wala tusidandie gari kwa mbele. Tujue kwanza mungu ni kitu gani na na yupo au hayupo?.

Hebu tuanzie hapa ndo tuende kwenye alitoka wapi/ nani alimuumba.

ZINGATIA;- SIJUI KIDHUNGU SANA HUENDA IMEELEZWA NDANI YA UZI, LAKINI SIO MBAYA TUKIWA WAZALENDO TUKAENEZA UPENDO KWA LUGHA YETU.

mbona unajambisha ndugu umesema 2sidandie gari kwa mbele mbona wewe unadandia

 

[FORWARD]

God can neither be created nor destroyed. He is the Master of the Universe.

 

[thinky]

why did you use he

 

[FORWARD]

why did you use he

The pronoun He, with a universally capitalized H, is often used to refer to the Supreme Being, or in Christian contexts, to Jesus Christ; "It", with a capitalized I, is also used when speaking of the Supreme Being's nature or Godhead, or in Christian contexts, to refer to the Logos; capitalized "He" and "It" have both been used to refer to the Holy Spirit. InCatholic Christian circles, the Blessed Sacrament is also referred to with the capitalized pronoun "It".

source: Wikipedia

 

[kuberwa]

Do you not get this? Living organisms were not created. The . [/FONTorigin of life can be explained using science]

People rather understand poor science than Allah's words with clear evidence! Mr Science can you explain to us, things came from big bang? who created that bang? and why that bang did stop happening to create more creatures?

 

[CYBERTEQ]

People rather understand poor science than Allah's words with clear evidence! Mr Science can you explain to us, things came from big bang? who created that bang? and why that bang did stop happening to create more creatures?

Hahahahaa, hilo swali bana, inabidi uisome kidogo hiyo theory uielewe mkuu!

 

[Free ideas]

Hii itawasaidia pia wal mnaouliza maswali yanajirudia,hi ni moja ya uzi wanhu humu pia,

Hi!,wanajamvi. Swali hilo juu huwa ni moja ya maswali magumu ambayo wengi huwa wanabaki njia panda,hasa linapokuja swala la kufafanua,,IWEJE TUPATE KITU PASIPO KITU?(sina uhakika kama ni tafsiri sahihi),yaan how can we get something from nothing?,

Watu wengi hasa wenzetu WANAOAMINI katika dini na MUNGU/MIUNGU huwa hawatuelewi kabisa kuhusu hili.
Nitajaribu leo kufafanua kwa kina(kadri nijuavyo mimi) kwa faida ya wengi,kuhusu,KUAPATA KITU PASIPO KITU.(sina uhakika kama ni tafsiri sahihi). Karibuni....

Katika nyanja ya Evolution,ina maanisha ni jinsi gani unaweza kupata Immense complexity and diversity and beuty and elegance of life,na zaidi ya hapo,inaonesha ni jinsi gani unaweza kupata Powerful Illusion of design ambayo uhai unaonesha,ambayo ninaweza sema sio kutoka katika HAKUNA(nothing),(not quiet from nothing)ila kutoka katika Extreme Simplicity.

Kabla ya Darwin kufanya utafiti uliopelekea kila kitu kuwa wazi,ilikuwa ni vigumu sana kuamini/kueleza jinsi gani unapata/kuna Vitu kama Ubongo,macho,miguu,mabawa ya ndege,n.k.Ilikuwa n ngumu sana kujua vipi unaweza kupata vitu vilivyo vizur machoni na vyenye mpangilio maalumu vinavoonekana kama vimepangwa(designed).

Darwin alitoa confidence na kuonesha kuwa kinachoonekana ni ugumu wa ufahamu wa kupata kitu pasipo kitu,alisove na waliofuata pia walikuw wakiendeleza kazi yake tangu kipindi kile.

@@@@But what is NOTHING,and how can we have something from Nothing...

Ni kwel kabisa,kwamba The Universal came from nothing due to what we know about the Universal up to this time,here is the proof of my above Arguments.

""Nothing is UNSTABLE,that empty space is UNSTABLE,Laws of mechanics combined with GRAVITY will tell you that,if you have Empty space there and you wait for the long enough,particles will be CREATED,and if you wait more enough,empty space will allways produce a UNIVERSAL full og MATTERS,
So NOTHING is unstable (sijui kama naeleweka hapa).

The case here is NOTHING (Empty space),creating something (Universal /Earth).
But ist the empty space nnothing(wengi mtasema no ),Lakini ngoja nikuoneshe pia kwamba EMPTY SPACE nayo inaweza ikawa product ya nothing,na hapo nadhan hakuta kuwa na swali tena.

Hapa nakuja katika laws za kifizikia,ama NATURAL FUNDAMENTAL LAWZ,
Ambzo zinaelezea kiundani jinsi ambavo kanuni na misingi ya kuwepo hewa tupu,space na mazingira ya utokeaji wa kila kitu kinachohitajika kufanyika kwa kitu husika(sina haja ya kuchima sna ntapoteza maana ya uzi,waweza uliza katika mjadala na nitajibu.),@@@@


Nothing niimanishayo katika upande wa Evolution sio,Completely nothing,lakini ni kutoka katika resonable complicated beginning ambayo ilikuwa ni first self replication molecule(maana completely nothing imesha tengenza UNIVERSAL na sasa ni evolution .).

Lakini tukumbuke kwamba Natural selection haiwezi kwenda kama hakuna genetics.,na hilo ndo tatizo ambalo halijasoviwa.Namaanisha hadi sasa hakuna anayejua Genetics zilivoanza.Lakini tunajua kwamba Kanuni za chemistry lazima zianzishe self replicating molecules,Kisha EVOLUTION inatake place.

Na kuanzia hapo sasa,aina zote za diversity na viumbe kama mimi na wewe ndo tukawa into existence,lakini haya yote lazima yaanze na GENETICS,hapo mapungufu ya chemistry yanaonekana,lakini kabla hatujailaumu chemistry kwa kukosa ufumbuzi wa genetics inabidi tuanze na physics !

Uhai katika dunia ulianza miaka 3.5bilion ilopita,katika kipindi cha Cambrian explosion.
Katika mika 4.5bilioni ilopita, ambayo ni kadirio la umri wa dunia, hakukua na bacteria.So katika miaka 3.5bilion ilopita uhai ukaanza taratibu katika dunia kutokana na Nitrogen ,Helium Hydrogen pamoja na hewa nyingine ndogo ambazo zilitokea katika spaces/sky baada ya Explosion.

Baadhi ya watu husema,We don't understand the origin of life on Earth ,so GO,D must done it!(kamba hatuelewi mwanzo wa uhai katika Dunia,kwa hiyo lazima mungu ndo alihusika).SI KWEL,.....


Ninachojua mimi,mapungufu yaliyopo katika Sayansi hayamuumbi Mungu,wala hayasababishi Awepo .,Sayansi inakuwa kila kukicha.Kama ni hivo basi atakuwa ni MUNGU wa mapungufu,(GOD OF GAPS),ambaye anaonekana tu katika few remaining Gaps in our understandings.Nikukumbushe pia kabla ya Darwin na wengine,uhai na uwepo wetu,Miili na jinsi ifanyavyo kaz ,ilikuwa inaonekana kama miracles.Hakuna aliyeweza kusema nini ni nn na kila kitu ilikuw akaz ya mungu.
Amini nakuambia hata mwaka 300AD,watu walikuwa wakiamini vitu kama Tsunami,Floods,Volcanic eruptions,Earthquake n.k ilikuwa kaz ya MUNGU,kama adhabu.Lakini leo vinaelezeka na kutabiriwa na mamlaka za hali ya Hewa na onyo linatolewa . Nachotaka kusema hapa ni kamba sayansi ,,inakuwa,, na itafumbua kila kitu.
,Kwangu mimi huwa naona kama n dalili za udhaifu ninaposikia kauli mfano,,""I DONT UNDERSTAND IT,THEREFORE GOD DID IT"" this is the kind of lazy argument.It doesn't help anything,but it leaves opens, since it doesn't explain even where God came from.

Kitu kikubwa alichofanya Darwin ni kuonesha ama kujuza ni jinsi gani unaweza kupata God like things/complex things (like humani Brain) kutoka katika omni nothing.

Ngoja niongelee kidogo CONCEPT YA EVOLUTION,maana najua ntaulizwa mbona manyani hayabadiliki siku hiz..

Watu wengi wanadhani kwamba EVOLUTION,inaonglea/inahusu manyani/masokwe kumzaa ama kugeuka binadam,!,ni hiv,Miaka kama milioni 25,ilopita Human being(watu) walikuwa""Common Ancestor "",NA MONKEYS ,CHIMPANZEE ,GORILLAZ n.k.Hili ndo jambo gumu watu kuelewa,Kwa kiswahili ni kwamba ,HATUKUWA MANYANI WALA MASOKWE BALI TULISHARE BAADHI YA TABIA ,VITU,UMBO,MWONEKANO n.k.,huwa napata shida sana kuelezea jambo hili.So 25,yearz ago our ancestors might have look like monkey,gorillaz,or chimpanzees.Narudia,tena neno MIGHT HAVE LOOK LIKE,NOT THEY WERE MONKEYS !,hata hivo uchunguz unaonesha tuko na ufanano wa karibu zaidi na CHIMPANZEE kuliko chimpanzee walivo na ufanano na gorillaz ama monkeys.

Je,evolution inaendelea?,hili swali ningelipata bila shaka,jibu ni NDIO,...

Inaendelea lakini its too slow for us to see,kumbuka tunaishi kwa miongo michache na pia evolution its too slow to be noted easy .We can see it in Bacteria only too visibly ,because thats y,ant-biological resistance is such a big problem and more immensely important medical problem.Take this ,if the doctors at the time of invention of penicillin which Darwin wishes about them,they would been able to predict that resistance to ant-biotic.refers the book known as,, THE SCIENCE OF DARWINIAN,, MEDICINE .another vivid example of the continuation of Evolution is just look ok history,try to observe the physical appearance of the people live in 14c,15c or even 7century,you may not a lot of differences comparing to us.

Presence of INTELLIGENT DESIGNER ?,

This logic is too low and poor!,
I an prove that there is NO Intelligent designer
1,There is no EVIDENCES ON THAT ARGUMENT
2.BY HIS RESPONSIBILITY.

This person God of tje JUDAISM ,CHRISTIANS,ISLAMS has nothing to do with the God who cares about us.Na katika uwanja wa Sayansi ,tukisema kama mapungufu yaliyopo yahusiane na mungu,hatuta muhusisha mungu nafsi!,,The same God created lawz of physics ?. Na kama katika Sayansi kukihitajika kuwa na Mungu,basi atakuwa DIASTIC GOD,And he is very very different from the Gods of religion ,na huyu ndiye aina ya kitu tunatumia muda kumuelezea.

Intelligence inakuja baada ya muda mwingi baada ya EVOLUTION,starting from nothing as we know and then chemistry takes over,Biology,.

Kwa hiyo katika dunia kunaweza kuwa na Gods like humani being.Nakubali kwamba kunaweza kuwa na life forms than us,ambao tukikutana tutabidi tuwapigie magoti LAKINI WATABAKI KUWA y LA MUENDELEZO(the product of the process ),of evolution devlpmt.they will not be GOD,S In the sense that having created the laws of physics,or tje universal or life!.

Let me end up here,karibun...