Zimbabweans discussing Kenya On twitter wondering how we took of from 7b Gdp in 1980 to 74.7 in 2018

Zimbabweans discussing Kenya On twitter wondering how we took of from 7b Gdp in 1980 to 74.7 in 2018

eliakeem said:
Ahaaa haaa haaa
I was reading somewhere, when somebody asked is Greece a third world country, dispite its neighbours being first world countries?
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Greece is a first world country, pamoja na madeni yao yote , pelekeni ujinga huko
 
Barbarosa said:
Wote ni wajinga, mbona hawaongelei population ya Kenya vs Zimbabwe? Kenya ina watu zaidi ya milioni 40 wakati Zimababwe wako 15 milioni, na Je Kenya ilikuwa an watu wangapi mwaka 1980 kulinganisha na leo?

Kwanza kwangu mimi kujivunia 80 billion dollar economy kwenye nchi yenye watu zaidi ya milioni 40 ni ujinga usio na maelezo, kuna watu mnapaswa kufanyiwa vasektomi ili msiendeleze kizazi cha ma low IQ
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Sasa ukisema hivyo kuhusu Kenya na Tanzania je? Kweli nyani haoni kundule. Wewe ni ule mwanafunzi aliyekuwa anashika mkia darasani.
 
eliakeem said:
Pia hizo hela hamna aliyeiba, bali zilitumika kwenye matumizi ya miradi ya maendeleo ambayo haikuwa kwenye bajeti.

Hatuwezi thubutu kuwapa NCHI chama kilichojaa mafisi halafu hakina HATA sera.
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Lakini hio haijawahi kusikika mahali popote duniani. Mnatumiaje pesa kwenye miradi isiyokuwepo kwenye bajeti? Tanzania si mmevunja rekodi.
 
Kobello said:
You borrowed more money.
From 2000, you borrowed 40bn$, we borrowed 16bn$ since 2000.
So, we have the same non-borrowed GDP OF 35BN$.
Remember this, you borrowed your way up. That's a punk move!
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Did we tie your hands so that you don't borrow? Since when did borrowing become illegal?
 
Tony254 said:
Kenya has never ever been close to South Africa since the 19th century. Read your history my brother. When diamond and gold were discovered in the 19th century, South Africa's economy took off like a piece of sh*t. Infact, it attracted even some poor white people who left their countries just to go and live in South Africa. This wealth is one of the contributing factors to the great boers wars. Where the british and the dutch boers fought for land, resources and political autonomy. Never compare Kenya and South Africa because that makes you look illiterate even though i know you are well read. South Africa has always been the most developed country in Africa, and apart from Egypt, no other country comes close. Nigeria is just third world country with a big Gdp. By the way, did you know South Africa is a member of the G20. That tell's you all you need to know. That said i love Kenya my country and we are one of the success stories of the 21st century whether you like it or not
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I repeat again, the privilege extended to Kenya was similar to what was extended to South Africa. The Europeans who landed in SA and KE they came with one mission and one mission only, producing large amount of food to feed their European palaces and whomever was rich enough to buy exotic food. Minerals came later because even to European standard most of their people were not wealthy enough to buy gold or diamonds. The wealth was created through agribusiness and not mineral, but the wealth was only landing to the white few and south Africa GDP was calculated from white wealth not black similar to Kenya before independence. Kenya didn't archive what South Africa has archive is because Kenya (Black's) since before independence was using settlers case as cracking whip to scare the British whenever Kenya's wanted something from British or Europeans. Even Kenyatta Jr has used same tactical to let himself off the ICC case. If Mugabe could've abandoned his land reform policy, Zimbabwe would have much-much higher GDP maybe bigger than Kenya. But that ship has almost sail because now you've to compete with Americans who own large scale farmers in Latin America.
 
Tony254 said:
Did we tie your hands so that you don't borrow? Since when did borrowing become illegal?
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Nope.
Actually, governments don't use hands to borrow for money. The money is not in the form of notes or coins.
Lastly, borrowing in some governments (Islamic) is illegal if it involves interest.
 
YoungD said:
don't feed the troll, btw huyu mkikuyu akili punguani ni Sammuel999 . he is back after the October2017 humiliation.
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Huyo si sam999 huyo akili timamu ni mtanzania and you can tell from the way this guy Converse here, kiswahili ya sam999 ilikuwa broken sana lakini ya uyu Timamu ni ya typical Tanzanian.😀😀😀😀😀😀😀😀😀😀
 
Kobello said:
Nope.
Actually, governments don't use hands to borrow for money. The money is not in the form of notes or coins.
Lastly, borrowing in some governments (Islamic) is illegal if it involves interest.
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I guess you missed the point by a wide mark. I am asking what is the rationale of your complaint if Tanzania also had the chance to borrow but decided to sit on its lazy ass? By the way the last time i checked Tanzania was not an islamic country, unless that has happened overnight. So that piece of information about islamic countries was completely out of context and frankly, quite irrelevant.
 
Mwanzi1 said:
I repeat again, the privilege extended to Kenya was similar to what was extended to South Africa. The Europeans who landed in SA and KE they came with one mission and one mission only, producing large amount of food to feed their European palaces and whomever was rich enough to buy exotic food. Minerals came later because even to European standard most of their people were not wealthy enough to buy gold or diamonds. The wealth was created through agribusiness and not mineral, but the wealth was only landing to the white few and south Africa GDP was calculated from white wealth not black similar to Kenya before independence. Kenya didn't archive what South Africa has archive is because Kenya (Black's) since before independence was using settlers case as cracking whip to scare the British whenever Kenya's wanted something from British or Europeans. Even Kenyatta Jr has used same tactical to let himself off the ICC case. If Mugabe could've abandoned his land reform policy, Zimbabwe would have much-much higher GDP maybe bigger than Kenya. But that ship has almost sail because now you've to compete with Americans who own large scale farmers in Latin America.
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Wrong again. The first europeans who landed in South Africa much earlier than you think. They wanted to live in South Africa as their homeland . The first white man landed in South Africa in 1601, i will give you the evidence don't worry. However, in Kenya, the barbaric colonial-minded British arrived in the late 19th century (between 1880-1895), 280 years after the dutch arrived and began settling in South Africa. That is why i am saying never compare Kenya and South Africa because South Africa has had Europeans from the year 1647 (more than 360 years now). Evidence yako ndio hii hapa chini:

General South African History Timeline: 1600s


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European's settle in South Africa for the first time and begin to further colonize and trade with the Khoikhoi at the cape, by the middle this century the first Khoikhoi-Dutch war is fought and slavery is entrenched.

Throughout the rest of the country Nguni and Sotho groups begin splitting, as a result of strengthening chiefdoms, into the groups that we know today (Zulu, Ndebele, Tswana, Xhosa etc).

1601
Joris van Spilbergen, leading a Dutch fleet, casts anchor in the Bay of Saldaha (Aguada da Saldanha) and names it Table Bay after Table Mountain, while the original name is transferred to the present Saldanha Bay.
1 November, James Lancaster, in command of the first East India Company fleet of England, rounds the Cape again on his way to the East.
1602
20 March , The Vereenigde Landsche Ge-Oktroyeerde Oost-Indische Compagnie (VOC) trading company receives a charter from the States General, the highest authority in the Republic of the United Netherlands, which entails a trading monopoly and the right to acquire and govern Dutch possessions in the Orient for a period of 21 years. Extended in 1623 and 1647.
1615
Sir Thomas Roe attempts to land some deported British criminals at the Cape, but those who are not drowned or killed by Khoikhoi are soon removed from the Cape and the scheme is abandoned.
1620
June, Captains Andrew Shillinge and Humphrey Fitzherbert formally annex the shores of Table Bay in the name of King James 1, but the English King refuses to confirm the annexation.
1631
The English take Autshumao (also Autshumato), chief of the Goringhaikonas Khoi-Khoi, to Batavia. He is known to the English as 'Harry' and later to the Dutch as 'Herry'. He is later returned to the Cape to act as the resident agent or postmaster for passing ships and as a translator.
1632
Autshumao (Herry) asks passing sailors to ferry him and twenty of his followers to Robben Island. There the group remain, on and off, for the next eight years, protected from their mainland Khoikhoi enemies and within easy reach of the Island's edible resources, which include penguins and seals.
1647
25 March, The Dutch ship Nieuwe Haerlem is wrecked in Table Bay. A survivor, Leendert Janszen, is instructed to remain behind with some crew to look after the cargo. After a year a Dutch ship fetches Janszen, his crew and the cargo. Upon his return to Holland, Janszen and one of his companions, Matthijs Proot are required to write a feasibility report on the establishment of a refreshment station at the Cape.
1649
26 July, Date of the well-known 'Remonstrantie' by Leendert Janszen and Matthijs Proot in support of the Dutch establishing a refreshment station at the Cape. Jan van Riebeeck, who is subsequently appointed by the VOC to establish the trading and refreshment station, supports him.
1652
The Dutch East India Company establishes a refreshment station at Table Bay.
6 April, Jan van Riebeeck, on board of the Drommedaris, arrives in Table Bay.
7 April, Van Riebeeck personally goes ashore to look for the best place to erect a fort and establishes a refreshment station at the Cape between the foot of Table Mountain and the shores of Table Bay. The purpose is to provide fresh water, fruit, vegetables and meat for passing ships en route to India as well as build a hospital for ill sailors. He uses Autsumao (Herry), chief of the Goringhaikonas, as interpreter in cattle bartering transactions with the Khoikhoi.
Van Riebeeck immediately requests the VOC to supply him with slaves imported from Asia to do the farming, perform other tasks related to the needs of the crews of passing ships and to build a fortification, as the VOC has issued clear instructions that the indigenous population was not to be enslaved. The VOC does not send slaves for at least five years. The only slaves that Van Riebeeck receives are either stowaways or those that captains on passing ships give him (see later entries).
Shortly after Van Riebeeck's arrival, the first horses are imported from Java.
1653
2 March, The first slave, Abraham, a stowaway from Batavia, is given to Van Riebeeck. He works for the Company until sent back to Batavia three years later.
1653
19 October, Autsumao (Herry), chief of the Goringhaikonas and Van Riebeeck's interpreter, murders the cattle-herd David Jansz and takes off with almost the whole of the settlers' herd of cattle. He is pursued but not captured.
1654
The first Cape-based slave expedition is sent to Madagascar and Moçambique. However, the ship is wrecked along the coast of Madagascar.
1654
6 April, On the second anniversary of his arrival at the Cape, Van Riebeeck announces that in future this day will be observed as a prayer and Thanksgiving Day to God.
1655
The Dutch ensigned Jan Wintervogel is sent by Van Riebeeck to explore the interior. He is to scout for trading opportunities with the indigenous communities there as well as to identify arable land. He reaches Saldanha Bay on the south-west coast overland.
Having fled the Cape after the murder of cattle-herd David Jansz in 1653, Autsumao (Herry) returns to the Cape. Van Riebeeck allows him to settle there once more. He is not punished for his former misdemeanour.
Willem Muller, a corporal, accompanied by the interpreter, Autsumao (Herry), is sent by Van Riebeeck to explore the Hottentots Holland region and to barter livestock. On this occasion Autsumao takes the barter goods (copper) and trades on his own account. He returns with thirteen cattle for the Company and a fair number of cattle and sheep for himself.
Maize seeds are introduced to the Cape from the Netherlands.
Van Riebeeck has the first vine planted in the Company's garden.
1655
March, There are three slaves at the Cape, brought from Madagascar.
1656
The first slave is freed to marry a Dutch settler.
1657
Nine Company servants are freed at Van Riebeeck's recommendation to the VOC to farm and keep livestock on freehold land along the Liesbeeck River. These ex-servants, now called "free burghers", are exempted from taxation and have access to slaves. They have, however, to sell all their produce to the Company. This is an attempt by Van Riebeeck to match the requirements for fresh produce by passing ships, as five years into the establishment of the refreshment station Van Riebeeck is still not able to produce the fresh food required by the ships on their way to the East.
Doman, the leader of the Goringhaiqua Khoi-Khoi, is sent to Batavia to be trained as an interpreter.
Van Riebeeck discusses Khoi-Khoi policy with Commissioner Rijckloff van Goens. They agree that the only practical attempt to avoid thefts by Herrie and his Goringhaikonas followers is the method of territorial separation: 'haer af te snijden op den pas, door middle van onse fortificatiën en wachthuisen' (to prevent their entry into the settlement by means of fortifications and watch houses). This is the first introduction of the official policy of territorial segregation in South Africa. Van Riebeeck is further encouraged to continue his past policy of trying to win the Khoi-Khoi over to his side by gentle persuasion.
1657
22 October, Abraham Gabbema, is sent on an investigative mission into the interior he reaches a river, which he names the Berg River. During his expedition he also reaches and names Diamantberg, Paarlberg and Klapmutsberg.
1658
25, 26 or 28 March, The ship Amersfoort, which two months earlier has intercepted a Portuguese slaver bound from Angola to Brazil, arrives in Table Bay with a shipment of 174 slaves. Most of these are sent to Batavia. Thirty-eight men and thirty-seven women remain at the Cape. Van Riebeeck obeys the order of the VOC not to enslave the indigenous people of the Cape.
6 May, Another ship, the Hasselt, arrives in Table Bay with 228 slaves from Popo, Gulf of Guinea, (Dahomey). Most of these slaves are shipped to Batavia.
10 July, Van Riebeeck banishes Autsumao (Herry) to Robben Island. He escapes in December 1659 in a leaky boat and is again allowed to settle near the Fort with his followers.
1659
May, The First Khoikhoi - Dutch Wars begins. The first of a series of armed confrontations over the ownership of the land takes place between the Dutch settlers and a Khoikhoi clan led by Doman. The Khoi-Khoi attempt to steal the cattle used by Dutch settlers to plough the land that the latter has appropriated from them. In this first anti-colonial Khoikhoi-Dutch War the settlers seek refuge in the fort. A lack of unity among the Khoi-Khoi group undermines the revolt. Consequently, the Peninsular Khoi-Khoi loose more land to Dutch settlers. In an attempt to prevent the stealing of cattle, the Dutch administration erects a series of fortified fences along the Liesbeeck River and an almond hedge in present day Kirstenbosch to separate the Khoi-Khoi from their ancestral land and from the Dutch. Khoi-Khoi are restricted in their movement and are forced to use designated gates when entering the enclosed and fortified area.
1659
General South African History Timeline: 1600s
 
Bottas said:
Huyo si sam999 huyo akili timamu ni mtanzania and you can tell from the way this guy Converse here, kiswahili ya sam999 ilikuwa broken sana lakini ya uyu Timamu ni ya typical Tanzanian.😀😀😀😀😀😀😀😀😀😀
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I agree. By the way kiswahili ya Sam999 ilikuwa mbaya sana to the extent that hakuwa anapenda kuongea kwa kiswahili.
 
COLLOH-MZII RELOADED said:
in 2000 tanzanias gdp was 10b while kenya 12b......in 2017 kenyas gdp 75b tz gdp 49b..where did you go wrong
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these numbers mean nothing if the economy is exclusive. Tanzanians own their economy. If you want to see who bettered who in economy check unemployment rate between the two countries. Despite tz having the bigger population, Kenya still struggles with unemployment
 
Mwanzi1 said:
I repeat again, the privilege extended to Kenya was similar to what was extended to South Africa. The Europeans who landed in SA and KE they came with one mission and one mission only, producing large amount of food to feed their European palaces and whomever was rich enough to buy exotic food. Minerals came later because even to European standard most of their people were not wealthy enough to buy gold or diamonds. The wealth was created through agribusiness and not mineral, but the wealth was only landing to the white few and south Africa GDP was calculated from white wealth not black similar to Kenya before independence. Kenya didn't archive what South Africa has archive is because Kenya (Black's) since before independence was using settlers case as cracking whip to scare the British whenever Kenya's wanted something from British or Europeans. Even Kenyatta Jr has used same tactical to let himself off the ICC case. If Mugabe could've abandoned his land reform policy, Zimbabwe would have much-much higher GDP maybe bigger than Kenya. But that ship has almost sail because now you've to compete with Americans who own large scale farmers in Latin America.
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Kenya has been politically unstable after independence,In Moi regime the country was denied loans for years,terrorism,post election violence, Kenya has no minerals like south Africa but with all this Kenya managed to be a lower middle class....never compare Kenya with a country that is run by whites till date
 
It's true Kenya has many white people but that cannot justify our leading position in this part of East Africa.
 
Mwanzi1 said:
I repeat again, the privilege extended to Kenya was similar to what was extended to South Africa. The Europeans who landed in SA and KE they came with one mission and one mission only, producing large amount of food to feed their European palaces and whomever was rich enough to buy exotic food. Minerals came later because even to European standard most of their people were not wealthy enough to buy gold or diamonds. The wealth was created through agribusiness and not mineral, but the wealth was only landing to the white few and south Africa GDP was calculated from white wealth not black similar to Kenya before independence. Kenya didn't archive what South Africa has archive is because Kenya (Black's) since before independence was using settlers case as cracking whip to scare the British whenever Kenya's wanted something from British or Europeans. Even Kenyatta Jr has used same tactical to let himself off the ICC case. If Mugabe could've abandoned his land reform policy, Zimbabwe would have much-much higher GDP maybe bigger than Kenya. But that ship has almost sail because now you've to compete with Americans who own large scale farmers in Latin America.
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just type in a language you understand. whatever you have written here makes no sense.
 
COLLOH-MZII RELOADED said:
Kenya has been politically unstable after independence,In Moi regime the country was denied loans for years,terrorism,post election violence, Kenya has no minerals like south Africa but with all this Kenya managed to be a lower middle class....never compare Kenya with a country that is run by whites till date
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But even Kenya in 60s and 70s was run by white in terms of international trade. Kenya export has never been denied access of the market for her produce, no tea, no coffee, no flowers even tourism. South Africa was the same, you might be denied loans or have internal political issues but that has nothing to do with supply chain settlers created for selling their produce. Country like Tanzania we never had this privilege, we couldn't sale freely our cotton, nuts, sunflower seeds or coffee while your fight to kick the white out of continent.
 
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