Agriculture,Fisheries and livestock in Tanzania - East Africa

[waltham]

Mkuu Waltham hivi grapes zinalimwa Mkoa gani huko Kenya? Mnajitahidi sana lakini sijawahi kuona wine zenu hapa Tanzania.

Rift Valley Winery
Rift Valley Winery is currently the only commercial vineyard in Kenya, nestled between the shoulder of the Rift Valley and the foothills of Mount Longonot. RVW is defying both altitude and attitude to bring you some of the most quaffable vino available anywhere on the planet.

 

[tuusan]

Iconoclastes stop wasting your time with this dimwit.

[emoji23][emoji23][emoji23][emoji23][emoji23] nairobwalker *****

 

[Mwanzi1]

Pole sana akili finyu!....husidhani kila mtu ana akili ndogo kama zenu wabongo!

Acha ndugu yako akujibu.

 

[Iconoclastes]

Mm, you live in cuckoo land, hata Tanzania majority of our people 80% are farmer's. When Mugabe started his land grabbing stunt, I actually heard and saw on TV a European gov. minister saying "the main worry is, if this is going to spread to Kenya then will be in big trouble". Mkenya wa kawaida hana ujuzi au jinsi ya kutafuta soko au hata kujuwa ni nini wazungu wanataka. Na wazungu ni wazuri kwa kupindua pindua sheria just to keep you out of there market. Kama sio wazungu wa hapo Kenya na wao kujuwa wenzao ulaya wanataka nini, hata mgelima dhahabu, Kenya ingekuwa kama nchi zingine za Afrika

Hapo.....bila shaka mkenya wa kawaida have no capacity to seek for market for their produce on their own. And it is not Kenyans alone. Even in America, an individual American producer would find it such a garagantuan feat to seek for market and then promote his produce, say in Africa on his own endeavour.

That is why cooperatives societies exist, my friend. Kenya and SA have the most vibrant and dynamic cooperative societeis in the continent of Africa.
Their role is to seek for market for the produce of its members, in liason with the govt thru (in Kenya's case) the ministry of Trade, Industrialization and fisheries. Even those wazungus u are talking about here belong to these cooperative movements.

Examples of these Cooperative unions include
KENCAFFEE | Kenya Co-operative Coffee Exporters Limited
New Kenya Co-operative Creameries (New KCC)
KFC Profile
Kenya Meat Commission


There are literally thousands of such cooperatives in Kenya, helping Kenyan farmers (not just farmers, even the producers of non-agricultural goods) access markets not just locally, but also abroad.

 

[Mwanzi1]

Hapo.....bila shaka mkenya wa kawaida have no capacity to seek for market for their produce on their own. And it is not Kenyans alone. Even in America, an individual American producer would find it such a garagantuan feat to seek for market and then promote his produce, say in Africa on his own endeavour.

That is why cooperatives societies exist, my friend. Kenya and SA have the most vibrant and dynamic cooperative societeis in the continent of Africa.
Their role is to seek for market for the produce of its members, in liason with the govt thru (in Kenya's case) the ministry of Trade, Industrialization and fisheries. Even those wazungus u are talking about here belong to these cooperative movements.

Examples of these Cooperative unions include
KENCAFFEE | Kenya Co-operative Coffee Exporters Limited
New Kenya Co-operative Creameries (New KCC)
KFC Profile
Kenya Meat Commission


There are literally thousands of such cooperatives in Kenya, helping Kenyan farmers (not just farmers, even the producers of non-agricultural goods) access markets not just locally, but also abroad.

Sometimes I wonder if we are talking the same thing, I hope we are still talking about about accessing foreign markets. Mkulima wa Marekani, hawezi kulinganishwa na mkulima wa Afrika au hata Kenya, kwanza yeye ana local market kubwa sana ndani ya US hana haja ya kwenda mbali. At the same time ana access ya finace from every angle, technology is always on his side. Kama ikitokea anataka kuuza nje ya US, ana trade agreement's zinamlinda, ana uwezo wa kujuwa mwenzake wa Ulaya au japan au hata Australian anataka nini. When it comes to Kenya ukiondoa wazungu waliopo ambao they can pick up the phone and call direct to a buyer in Europe or US na kujuwa watataka nini, ana weza kwenda kwenye any foreign embassy au trade fare na ku connect to right people and make a deal. Cooperative union can only go so far, and they will end up with bottom layer of the deal. (That is just reality of our world)
I'm glad you use South African and Kenya example, do you see a connection between those countries? And why they are getting businesses with rich country. South Africa wameuza wine na vitu vingine kwenye palaces za Europe for the last 300 years. We're those deals done by local South Africans? And how many local South Africans have that direct access to major markets today? nilikwaambia, kama kenya ikiamuwa kuchukuwa mashamba kutoka kwa wazungu, the exports number zita zimika kama taa.

 

[waltham]

Iconoclastes stop wasting your time with this dimwit.

we agreed all kenyans should boycott this guys threads tuone kama page zake on kenya will get to one page. get the message around bro.

 

[Iconoclastes]

Sometimes I wonder if we are talking the same thing, I hope we are still talking about about accessing foreign markets. Mkulima wa Marekani, hawezi kulinganishwa na mkulima wa Afrika au hata Kenya, kwanza yeye ana local market kubwa sana ndani ya US hana haja ya kwenda mbali. At the same time ana access ya finace from every angle, technology is always on his side. Kama ikitokea anataka kuuza nje ya US, ana trade agreement's zinamlinda, ana uwezo wa kujuwa mwenzake wa Ulaya au japan au hata Australian anataka nini. When it comes to Kenya ukiondoa wazungu waliopo ambao they can pick up the phone and call direct to a buyer in Europe or US na kujuwa watataka nini, ana weza kwenda kwenye any foreign embassy au trade fare na ku connect to right people and make a deal. Cooperative union can only go so far, and they will end up with bottom layer of the deal. (That is just reality of our world)
I'm glad you use South African and Kenya example, do you see a connection between those countries? And why they are getting businesses with rich country. South Africa wameuza wine na vitu vingine kwenye palaces za Europe for the last 300 years. We're those deals done by local South Africans? And how many local South Africans have that direct access to major markets today? nilikwaambia, kama kenya ikiamuwa kuchukuwa mashamba kutoka kwa wazungu, the exports number zita zimika kama taa.

WE are talking about pretty much the same thing here- about the farmer accessing the markets abroad. But here we have very contradictory views and perspectives on the issue. And to be honest I think that yours is a little twisted.

Whereas I am talking about both the large scale and small scale farmer clustered together into a single entity with their representatives doing all the research, planning, negotiations, transportation and promotion of its commodity in the targeted market on their behalf; u on the other hand is talking about an individual farmer performing all the above mentioned tasks, which we both know is very difficult. Admittedly, the majority of Kenya farmers, even those quite affluent would find such an effort too costly.

If this export sector was the priviledge of the few moneyed individuals (and specifically the light skinned people, as u claim) then not so many Kenyan Africans would have surbodinated the subsistence farming in favor of commercial farming. As matter of fact, no farmer would bother growing coffee, sugar canes, sunflower tea etc. What for if it delivers no benefits? Nearly every farmer in Kenya wants to produce some crops to sell in China, Japan, Korea, Europe, etc. Any wonder why the cooperative industry is thriving here?

I am telling u this as Kenyan who understands quite well the workings of both the agricultural sector as well the cooperative unions in Kenya. An individual farmer (or the producer in any sector) DOES NOT and CANNOT sell his goods abroad thru his own effort. Farmers sell their goods via the coopretives. The cooperatives work with the govts to help its members search, negotiate and access the marktes abroad.

I do not know how it happens in Tanzania, but that is how it works in Kenya.

 

[Mwanzi1]

WE are talking about pretty much the same thing here- about the farmer accessing the markets abroad. But here we have very contradictory views and perspectives on the issue. And to be honest I think that yours is a little twisted.

Whereas I am talking about both the large scale and small scale farmer clustered together into a single entity with their representatives doing all the research, planning, negotiations, transportation and promotion of its commodity in the targeted market on their behalf; u on the other hand is talking about an individual farmer performing all the above mentioned tasks, which we both know is very difficult. Admittedly, the majority of Kenya farmers, even those quite affluent would find such an effort too costly.

If this export sector was the priviledge of the few moneyed individuals (and specifically the light skinned people, as u claim) then not so many Kenyan Africans would have surbodinated the subsistence farming in favor of commercial farming. As matter of fact, no farmer would bother growing coffee, sugar canes, sunflower tea etc. What for if it delivers no benefits? Nearly every farmer in Kenya wants to produce some crops to sell in China, Japan, Korea, Europe, etc. Any wonder why the cooperative industry is thriving here?

I am telling u this as Kenyan who understands quite well the workings of both the agricultural sector as well the cooperative unions in Kenya. An individual farmer (or the producer in any sector) DOES NOT and CANNOT sell his goods abroad thru his own effort. Farmers sell their goods via the coopretives. The cooperatives work with the govts to help its members search, negotiate and access the marktes abroad.

I do not know how it happens in Tanzania, but that is how it works in Kenya.

Haha, the only twisted thing I know, is twisted metal bars which they have just been ban to be sold in Kenya.

Maybe you'll be able to tell me who is going on and on about 70% of Kenya's earns their living through farming. Sometimes it becomes boring repeating the same thing over and over again.

Your trying so hard to show us that Kenyans especially blank Kenyans are very aggressive in finding foreign markets, while on my side, I effusive if it wasn't for a white farmer's in Kenya who they came to Africa to accrue fatale land so that they could produce crops which will feed their cousins back in Europe, Kenya would've been just like any other struggling African country. Europe and other developed markets they've flurrish and developed under the umbrella of protectionism. They know what they want, they know where to go it and get actually go and get what they want. They even know the value of things they want, to us wheat is just wheat, to them, wheat is bread, pizza, pastry, cake, biscuits animal feed etc etc.... To us ugali still remain to be ugali, it has been ugali for many years before and probably will stay as ugali for many years to come.

Shame on you if you don't know anything about Tanzania farming industry, and this is just next door. If you don't know about Tanzania, what are the chances for you to know about Namibia, or Ghana. This is colonial success story that an African will know and work and speak about Europe but nothing about Congo. Shame shame shame. [emoji33]

 

[evart]

Tulia sindano ikuingie kenge!...povu full blast!....mjadala ni wanaouweza wenzako WEWE ENDELEA KUWEKA MAPICHA ZA GOOGLE ZA KENYA NA ZA ULAYA!.....Mwehu!

continue posting our pictures!...........😀

Tim choice mbona povu LA mwendokasi mwache anael wa watu ajimwage

 

[Iconoclastes]

Haha, the only twisted thing I know, is twisted metal bars which they have just been ban to be sold in Kenya.

Maybe you'll be able to tell me who is going on and on about 70% of Kenya's earns their living through farming. Sometimes it becomes boring repeating the same thing over and over again.

Your trying so hard to show us that Kenyans especially blank Kenyans are very aggressive in finding foreign markets, while on my side, I effusive if it wasn't for a white farmer's in Kenya who they came to Africa to accrue fatale land so that they could produce crops which will feed their cousins back in Europe, Kenya would've been just like any other struggling African country. Europe and other developed markets they've flurrish and developed under the umbrella of protectionism. They know what they want, they know where to go it and get actually go and get what they want. They even know the value of things they want, to us wheat is just wheat, to them, wheat is bread, pizza, pastry, cake, biscuits animal feed etc etc.... To us ugali still remain to be ugali, it has been ugali for many years before and probably will stay as ugali for many years to come.

Shame on you if you don't know anything about Tanzania farming industry, and this is just next door. If you don't know about Tanzania, what are the chances for you to know about Namibia, or Ghana. This is colonial success story that an African will know and work and speak about Europe but nothing about Congo. Shame shame shame.

Cut out the dramatics, and tell me how the poor Tanzanian farmers get to sell their crops abroad. I dint state anywhere that I know nothing about the agricultural sector in Tanzania. I know the dynamics there quite well. And to the best of my knowledge, cooperative unions exist in Tanzania.
When there is a maize deficit in Kenya, and the Kenya govt is constrained to purchase the grain from Tanzania, do they buy it directly from the Tanzanian farmers? Of cos not. They buy it from the govt of Tanzania, who obtain it from the cooperatives, who obtain from the farmers.

You keep insisting that this export market is the prerogative of the white pipo, like seriously? I know u cannot prove that absurd claim of yours. How many white pipo are in Kenya? And is it only them that produce these millions of tonnes of agricultural products that Kenya exports annually? You really deny that the bulk of that output comes from the smallholder farmers, majority of whom are Africans? Amazing....

I can tell u this without batting an eyelid, that indeed the black Kenyans are very aggressive in finding foreign markets, thru the people they elected in govt. If the govt cannot do sumthing as simple as that, then they can as well abdicate.
Commercial farming and export in Kenya is not a preserve of the whites and the elite black Africans.

Small-scale farming booms in Kenya - Farmer's Weekly

ActionAid Kenya: Improving Markets through Farmers’ Cooperatives | ActionAid

 

[hydrogen]

Wazungu kama jadi yao hawata kubali kuuziwa na mtu ambaye sio mzungu mwezao. Mimi nilisha ona bidhaa za Tanzania kwenye supermarket za UK tena nakumbuka zilikuwa long beans. Lakini ukichunguza sana utakuta zinatoka kwenye shamba la mzungu wenzao alie huku, au mzungu na anayefunga safari na kuja kununua hayo mazao huku. Na Kenya ni hivyo hivyo, na Zimbabwe na South Afrika ni hivyo hivyo. Na ndio tatizo la mkataba wa EPA kwetu Tanzania, kwamba sisi tutalima malighafi wazungu anachukuwa wanakwenda kuongeza thamani halafu wanaturidishia kama bidhaa mpya na kutuuzia.

We have simply found the best excuse for our inefficiencies. kweli watanzania tumerogwa. Infriority complex ni kitu kibaya sana na hii mindset ndo inaturudisha nyuma.

 

[hydrogen]

Umeshinda ukiongelea ukulima na biashara.... kila unapo andika lazma useme leteni pesa.........
alafu nakuletea takwimu, unazitupilia mbali u atuekea mapicha ya holland, haha,..... kumbe hata si mkulima wala mwanabiashara, hujui A wala B kwa mambo ya ukulima, uko hapa kujifarijibele ya wakenya tu, wala haujali kilimo,...waltham alikua anaeka post zake vizuri sana, zilikua informative, zilikua na maelezo,recomendation,best practices...mkulima halisi atakua more interested in those exchanges in best practices plus actual pictorial evidence.... wakati wewe hata ulikua hauoni aibu kutuekea screen saver za kutoka holland -a first world country where the cost of agriculture is very cheap, the soil is different, the weather is completely different.........
sawa ntaendelea kukuletea takwimu, maanake kama ulikua haujui takwimu na hesabu ni muhimu sana kwa kilimo-biashara.... mkulima mtanzania akiona hizo takwimu na ajue kenya inauzia chakula kingi zaidi UN kuliko kile wanacho nunua toka Tz, anaeza amua kuongea na UN yenyewe (to skip the middlemen na auzie chakula directly ili faida yote aipate yeye) maanake chakula hicho kinauziwa UN hutumiwa kulisha refugees hapa kenya, msaada somali, s.sudan na hata DRC ambayo iko karibu yenu huko Tz.

Mkulima wa maua tanzania akipata takwimu za 2013, atagundua huo mwaka, tanzania ili produce maua mengi kuliko kenya (sababu ya general election jitters huku kenya) lakini kenya bado ilipata faida nyingi zaidi, sababu pale JNIA hakuna storage refregiration facilities za kutosha, tena ndege za cargo sio nyingi pamoja na shida zengineo za logistics, kwahivyo maua yakisafitishwa kupitia hio njia ya JNIA, by the time yamefika ulaya hua yamenyauka........... sasa mkulima mtz akiwa na hio takwimu anajua shida si mazao, shida ni logistics haswa pale JNIA....unaona vile takwimu zinasaidia?????? haya we tubandikia mapicha ujifurahishe

Asante sana I couldn't tell it any better!

 

[Mwanzi1]

We have simply found the best excuse for our inefficiencies. kweli watanzania tumerogwa. Infriority complex ni kitu kibaya sana na hii mindset ndo inaturudisha nyuma.

we've been a bad boy of our neighborhood, taking on the the almighty powerful forces in southern Africa struggle. Remember 1967 ? we had few friends, but that is not the case now, it's us who can take the opportunity with all the trade agreements Tanzania hold with other trading partners.

 

[hydrogen]

Mm, kwahiyo umekaa hapo unajiaminisha kwamba, ni mkenya mweusi ndio ana promote bidhaa za Kenya nje. Na wale settlers wenye mashamba makubwa kenya wanafanya nini? Au waliokuwa Zimbabwe waliokuwa wanafanaya nini? Kama sio kushikilia ardhi na kuzalisha bidhaa kwajili ya masoko ya ndugu zao ulaya, hata ukienda Arusha or Moshi ni hao hao wazungu waliokimbilia kuchukuwa ardhi na ndio wanajuwa ndugu zao wanataka kununua nini. Kama weusi wange kuwa na access ya market ya ulaya, nchi zote za Africa wangelima mazao mengi na wakauza ulaya au hata sehemu nyingine. Lakini the bigger export countries za Africa, ni zile zenye settlers wengi wazungu na zenye ardhi inayofa kulima. South Africa, Zimbabwe, Kenya, Ivory Coast.

Nilikua game mlimani city one day natafuta vacuum cleaner, right next to me was a young couple shopping for diapers. The wife refused to pick huggies diapers with a picture of a black child and went for one with a white baby yet they were basically the same except the cover pic. Now that was some very low self esteem mosquito thinking type of bullsh*t you are displaying here

 

[Emc2]

Nilikua game mlimani city one day natafuta vacuum cleaner, right next to me was a young couple shopping for diapers. The wife refused to pick huggies diapers with a picture of a black child and went for one with a white baby yet they were basically the same except the cover pic. Now that was some very low self esteem mosquito thinking type of bullsh*t you are displaying here

Kwahiyo unataka kutuambia nini kuhusu mke wako?

 

[Mwanzi1]

Nilikua game mlimani city one day natafuta vacuum cleaner, right next to me was a young couple shopping for diapers. The wife refused to pick huggies diapers with a picture of a black child and went for one with a white baby yet they were basically the same except the cover pic. Now that was some very low self esteem mosquito thinking type of bullsh*t you are displaying here

Wow you have words huh? But in short that how life is, you can't force people to think the way you want them to think. If a lady wants a white baby cover dipper it's her choice, and good one for advertising team. If you want to do any type of business .....hey, go right ahead.

 

[hydrogen]

Kwahiyo unataka kutuambia nini kuhusu mke wako?

Please read my post as many times as necessary had uielewe then we can talk. Untill then, keep reading...

 

[Mwanzi1]

Kwahiyo unataka kutuambia nini kuhusu mke wako?

Unakumbuka nilikwambia mamluki eh?

 

[Zero Hours]

Mmeanza kuwabembeleza wakenya warudi. Kweli lazima tutaeshimiana mwaka huu. Hawa wakenya ndyo walikuwa wanaongeza dhamani ya nyanya, hoho, vitunguu, tango, tangawizi hapa tz. Kunamropokaji mmoja kawatimua hawana ham na Tz.

 

[Mwanzi1]

Mmeanza kuwabembeleza wakenya warudi. Kweli lazima tutaeshimiana mwaka huu. Hawa wakenya ndyo walikuwa wanaongeza dhamani ya nyanya, hoho, vitunguu, tango, tangawizi hapa tz. Kunamropokaji mmoja kawatimua hawana ham na Tz.

Sasa wao si ndio wanalima sana kama ambavyo tuaminishawa hapa, kwanini wanakuja kumuua Tanzania????