That mentality of thinking you are always right and others are wrong is what we call it capitalistic way of life, in socialism we do listen concerns of each other even if you don't agree, we care for every one and we are ready to sacrifice of our own for others, that's why we live and stay peacefully with our brothers and sisters in SADC.
Let me tell you the truth, Tanzania and Kenya will never get along, Nyerere was very accommodative person, I am sure you know that, he managed to work with nearly many countries except Kenya and Idd Amin, if Nyerere failed to work with Kenya, who else can work with you?
Don't be angry, for your information Tanzania is not working or negotiating alone as you think, we belong to SADC that's why we decided to drop COMESA membership, by not giving too much attention to EAC which for Tanzania is second option while for Kenya is it's first option, doesn't mean that we negotiate individually, that is were you get it wrong.EU was created in 1993.
We created the first EAC in 1967.
We've heard a longer time to rethink, improve and perfect.
If you are waiting for countries to have an equal amount of wealth, you will wait forever because the gap between Kenya and Tazania GDP widens every year.
The only way European countries are able to compete in the world today, with big blocks like USA and China is because of the EU.
They have a greater leverage negotiating and protecting themselves from cheap imports. They have a bigger vehicle for their exports.
Right now for individual African countries to trade with other countries, you need individual deals. How is it possible for any African country to make deals individually with almost all other countries on earth?
Even UK is struggling with this post-brexit.
Europe is now Europe's biggest trade partner. In that EU member countries export more to the EU than to the rest of the world.
Here in Africa and particularly East Africa, you hear us boasting of how much Netherlands or Pakistan is our largest trading partner.
Also, in terms of border controls, don't deceive yourself that Tanzania is very desirable for greener pastures. If we were bordering South Africa, I would understand why they don't want open borders.
Open borders work in the UK because the member countries are all rich in the own way. The GDP per capitas may be different, but they are all high.
Here in EAC, they are all low.
The problem is your supreme leader's thinking, similar to Trump's, that all problems arise from immigrants. While the truth is anything but.
USA spends billions fighting terrorism, yet terrorism deaths in the US are almost zero. Gun violence on the other hand claim more than 10,000 lives a year.
You should look within for your troubles. Stop blaming immigrants.
Duh.. Tz kuwa SADC ni bonus!! Umeongea pumba ya mwaka. Hivi unajua SADC ili anzaje? Tz ni mabingwa wa diplomacy, infact Tz ndiyo baba wa SADC. Achilia mbali Tz ndiyo tumezisaidia nchi zote za SADC kupata uhuru ila pia Tz ndiyo champion wa SADC. Kabla ya SADC kulikua na SADCC ambayo ilizaliwa kwenye kikao kilicho fanyika Arusha 1979 ingawa vuguvugu la kuanzishwa lilianza kabla likiongozwa na Tz. Kwa hiyo umuhimu wa Tz iliyonao kwenye EAC ndiyo inao kwenye SADC. Kikao kilicho pita cha SADC Magu hakwenda ila walimteua kuwa Mwenyekiti.You don't invite a visitor who only comes to insult you and stall progress.
Tanzania uninvited itself by showing zero interest in EAC activities, and even deliberately ensuring we don't move forward.
If it was the era of CIA's espionage, we would speculate that your leaders had been paid to frustrate African unity and development. They've been paid to ensure we remain poor.
Hahahahaha, you are angry because we don't like to let Kenyans to export thieves, tribalism, corruption to Tanzania. You were sleeping in the same bed with colonists during liberation era, we suffered greatly, after long and tough time of struggle, here is the time to work together with those countries that helped each other.The only reason you are 'peacefully' in SADC is because you know your place. You know South Africa will always be much bigger than you.
Actually, in SADC, out of 15 countries, there are 8 countries richer than you in terms of GDP per capita.
In short, you are there like a favor. It's like South Sudan in EAC.
Here in EAC, you pretend to call the shots.
And also your deeply entrenched jealousy towards Kenya.
Duh.. Tz kuwa SADC ni bonus!! Umeongea pumba ya mwaka. Hivi unajua SADC ili anzaje? Tz ni mabingwa wa diplomacy, infact Tz ndiyo baba wa SADC. Achilia mbali Tz ndiyo tumezisaidia nchi zote za SADC kupata uhuru ila pia Tz ndiyo champion wa SADC. Kabla ya SADC kulikua na SADCC ambayo ilizaliwa kwenye kikao kilicho fanyika Arusha 1979 ingawa vuguvugu la kuanzishwa lilianza kabla likiongozwa na Tz. Kwa hiyo umuhimu wa Tz iliyonao kwenye EAC ndiyo inao kwenye SADC. Kikao kilicho pita cha SADC Magu hakwenda ila walimteua kuwa Mwenyekiti.
Msee Tz siyo Kenya mnahaha kutafuta washirika mara mnaomba visa free SA, Ethiopia mara mnaomba mahindi kutoka Zambia mara msumbiji! Hiyo yote ni matokeo ya dhambi ya usaliti. Sasa tuletee hizo nchi nane za SADC ambazo ni tajiri kuliko Tz. Ujione ulivyo mjinga.
Don't be angry, for your information Tanzania is not working or negotiating alone as you think, we belong to SADC that's why we decided to drop COMESA membership, by not giving too much attention to EAC which for Tanzania is second option while for Kenya is it's first option, doesn't mean that we negotiate individually, that is were you get it wrong.
The problem with you Kenyans is that, you are very much ego centric people and think that the whole World is revolving around you. You think if a neighbor doesn't collaborate with you then has no other better option, therefore she must be alone. We keep on repeating that, we benefit more in SADC block than in EAC, remember Zambia is the biggest Importer of our goods, and South Africa is the biggest Exporter in Africa.
Don't spend too much energy, don't be angry against Tanzania, you can work with other countries which you think you are comfortable and you get along with. Tanzania and Kenya will never get along due to historic reasons, we are very comfortable with the way relationship is at the moment.
Hahahahaha, you are angry because we don't like to let Kenyans to export thieves, tribalism, corruption to Tanzania. You were sleeping in the same bed with colonists during liberation era, we suffered greatly, after long and tough time of struggle, here is the time to work together with those countries that helped each other.
Because you supported white colonists because of money, why are you angry now if Tanzania continues its solidarity with these true brothers and sisters in SADC block?, we helped them when we had nothing, so what is wrong if South Africa pays back to Tanzania?, that is jealous because we belongs to bigger block economically in Africa, we know you would wish to join SADC but your history doesn't allow that.
Ouch!!! kennedy0000 hehehe bana, aki you are hitting home with below the belt blows, yaani 8 countries richer than TZ in that SADC and they are just a bonus trying to remain relevant...hehehehe ya mwaka hiyo.. no more JF for me today.
Kikao kilicho pita cha SADC Magu hakwenda ila walimteua kuwa Mwenyekiti.
You don't invite a visitor who only comes to insult you and stall progress.
Tanzania uninvited itself by showing zero interest in EAC activities, and even deliberately ensuring we don't move forward.
If it was the era of CIA's espionage, we would speculate that your leaders had been paid to frustrate African unity and development. They've been paid to ensure we remain poor.
First of all, EU was not created in 1993. EU was created by treaty signed in 1951 after two major wars they decided to hold on peace by creating union of likely minded and was aimed at six countries aligned with US. East Europe was not part of this for good reason because they were aligned themselves with Russia. EU has been adding layers after layers on cooperation even inviting East European countries to join the union. This has created tension on the union because Western countries has been bailing-out Eastern European countries because East Europe has been under develops for years. Western are subsidized life style of the east in return they are taking jobs from the west and exporting law skilled labour to the west. The west are hurting with pressures being felt on public services, school, hospital, housing, security etc.EU was created in 1993.
We created the first EAC in 1967.
We've heard a longer time to rethink, improve and perfect.
If you are waiting for countries to have an equal amount of wealth, you will wait forever because the gap between Kenya and Tanzania GDP widens every year.
The only way European countries are able to compete in the world today, with big blocks like USA and China is because of the EU.
They have a greater leverage negotiating and protecting themselves from cheap imports. They have a bigger vehicle for their exports.
Right now for individual African countries to trade with other countries, you need individual deals. How is it possible for any African country to make deals individually with almost all other countries on earth?
Even UK is struggling with this post-brexit.
Europe is now Europe's biggest trade partner. In that EU member countries export more to the EU than to the rest of the world.
Here in Africa and particularly East Africa, you hear us boasting of how much Netherlands or Pakistan is our largest trading partner.
Also, in terms of border controls, don't deceive yourself that Tanzania is very desirable for greener pastures. If we were bordering South Africa, I would understand why they don't want open borders.
Open borders work in the UK because the member countries are all rich in the own way. The GDP per capitas may be different, but they are all high.
Here in EAC, they are all low.
The problem is your supreme leader's thinking, similar to Trump's, that all problems arise from immigrants. While the truth is anything but.
USA spends billions fighting terrorism, yet terrorism deaths in the US are almost zero. Gun violence on the other hand claim more than 10,000 lives a year.
You should look within for your troubles. Stop blaming immigrants.
Mbona una vua nguo kwenye jukwaa! Nitajie hizo nchi nane za SADC zilizo tajiri kuliko the mighty Tz. Otherwise siyo vizuri mtu mzima kuongea maneno usiyo yajua uta onekana kichaa mbele ya werevu.TZ ndio hii, TZ ndio ile.
TZ ni LDC. One of the poorest countries in SADC.
You are a bonus country huko, ndio maana hamuwezi rukisha mdomo huko.
Kenya haijawai omba mahindi kwa yeyote. We buy.
LDC bongolala ndio taifa la msaada.
Ouuuch! Man hapo umewapa ukweli lakini kwa njia ya kinyama sana.The only reason you are 'peacefully' in SADC is because you know your place. You know South Africa will always be much bigger than you.
Actually, in SADC, out of 15 countries, there are 8 countries richer than you in terms of GDP per capita.
In short, you are there like a favor. It's like South Sudan in EAC.
Here in EAC, you pretend to call the shots.
And also your deeply entrenched jealousy towards Kenya.
Hahahahaha, that's why our economy is among the fastest growing in Africa, 10th position with biggest GDP in Africa, lowest unemployment rate in EAC, gets more FDI and most peaceful and most stable country, leads Africa in economical inclusiveness, these are are among few advantages of being in SADC.Lol. You've been in SADC since 1980s. You have continued to be one of the poorest countries, not only in SADC, but in the entire world.
Keep working together. It has worked greatly for you so far.
NON LDCMbona una vua nguo kwenye jukwaa! Nitajie hizo nchi nane za SADC zilizo tajiri kuliko the mighty Tz. Otherwise siyo vizuri mtu mzima kuongea maneno usiyo yajua uta onekana kichaa mbele ya werevu.
Hatuwezi kutoka EAC kwasababuNa kwanini kila mara mnaanzisha thread sijui, coalition of the willing hawakuinvite Tanzania, sijui ooh.
You have an option of leaving EAC if you want.
But now all you do is frustrate Kenya.
If EU wants to make a deal with EAC, there is no point for you remaining, if you won't play ball. Si mtoke, na EAC yenye imebaki itafanya deals.
Also, the only country benefiting from SADC is South Africa.
That's why all multinational open their manufacturing firms in South Africa, knowing very well they will export to about 15 countries with very favourable terms.
Tanzanian exports to SADC are negligible. In fact, Tanzanian exports anywhere are negligible. Minus your minerals, you don't export anything.
Non Failed state in EACNON LDC
SA
NAMIBIA
BOTSWANA
ZIMBABWE
ANGOLA
MAURITIUS
SEYCHELLES
SWAZILAND
ALAFU KINA LDC
TANZANIA
MOZAMBIQUE
ZAMBIA
LESOTHO NA WENGINE WADOGO
Hatuwezi kutoka EAC kwasababu
1)Tanzania ndio Moyo wa EAC, bila Tanzanian hakuna EAC, tutaendelea kudhibiti nchi yoyote ile ndani ya EAC inayotaka kujaribu kufanya jambo lolote bila kuishirikisha Tanzania, hadi sasa tumefanikiwa kuflustrate miradi yote iliyoanzishwa na Kenya bila kusikiliza mawazo ya Tanzania, mfano:
EPA
Single tourists visa
Uganda pipeline
Matumizi ya IDs
Kufungua borogojo entry point
2)Hatutoki kwasababu tunaelewana na nchi zote za EAC isipokua Kenya pekee
Ushauri wangu kwenu ni kwamba, kwasababu Kenya hamna option zaidi ya EAC, na kwasababu Tanzania hatutokubali mawazo yenu, kuweni wapole na kukubaliana na Tanzania, otherwise tutasimamisha development projects zote za EAC wakati sisi tunaendelea kufanya biashara huku SADC. Choice is yours.
Hahahahaha, that's why our economy is among the fastest growing in Africa, 10th position with biggest GDP in Africa, lowest unemployment rate in EAC, gets more FDI and most peaceful and most stable country, leads Africa in economical inclusiveness, these are are among few advantages of being in SADC.