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Mgoli wa Allison ni sehemu ya hizo fact zako ?
Baada ya kufika nusu fainali Messi hakucheza tena ?
Argentina yashikilia mkia kwenye kundi lao huko Copa America
Argentina yashikilia mkia kwenye kundi lao huko Copa America
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Baada ya kufika nusu fainali Messi hakucheza tena ?
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Alicheza na alikuwa akitoa pasi watu wafunge wanamrudishia yeye mathalan Suarez utamlaumu messi?
Na lile goli la waz alopewa dembele na kukosa utamlaumu messi?
Na lile goli la waz alopewa dembele na kukosa utamlaumu messi?
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Wachezaji wa barca hawakuonesha ushirikiano kabbisa.
Wewe unapewa mpira shinda unamrudishia messi ilhali unajua fikka messi ndie anaeangaluliwa kwa kukabwa sana huwez kumlaumu messi
Wewe unapewa mpira shinda unamrudishia messi ilhali unajua fikka messi ndie anaeangaluliwa kwa kukabwa sana huwez kumlaumu messi
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Maneno matupu wakati namba za CR7 zinajionyesha kote alikopita including his national team while it is vice versa for mdebwedo Messi. 2 messis hahahaha one who is fantastic with BARCA and then there is messi MDEBWEDO! As per football analysts around the World. Numbers they ALWAYS don’t LIE.
www.espn.com
www.espn.com
The Two Messis: Why has the world's best player won it all with Barcelona but failed with Argentina
There's a paradox when it comes to Lionel Messi: he's unstoppable with his club but unable to win with his country. Will that change this summer?
Lionel Messi, Argentina on the brink of major tournament humiliation again
Argentina haven't won a major tournament in 26 years, and after two disappointing results at Copa America 2019, they must beat Qatar to advance.
kalou
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Kwa hiyo Messi huwa Kila mechi yeye Yuko 100% perfect na ikitokea Barcelona imefungwa hastahili kulaumiwa ila wachezaji wengine wote ndio wanaostahili lawama ?
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Nadhani umeiangalia ile mechi vema.
Messi katka rates alipewa 6/10 kutokana na kuwa alionesha ufanisi ilhali kina suarez wakionesha disappontment
Messi katka rates alipewa 6/10 kutokana na kuwa alionesha ufanisi ilhali kina suarez wakionesha disappontment
kalou
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Swali lilikuwa ,Je Messi Kila mechi anaperform 100% ?
timu ikifungwa hatakiwi kulaumiwa Kwa namna yoyote ile ila wachezaji wengine wanaweza kulaumiwa ?
Ni general question sio Kwa specific Kwa mechi Vs Liverpool
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The ultimate issue is that Argentina's national team does not help his cause. You hear time and again that Argentina's Messi is not the same as Barcelona's Messi. The reasons are obvious: different teammates, less preparation time, constant coaching changes, incompetence within the Argentina FA and a burden too great for a single player to carry. As captain, Messi is expected to deliver; his teammates look to him in times of need and opponents are happy to commit extra defenders to Messi given how integral he is to their chances. So far, none of the supporting cast have stepped up to help him out.
Soma hyo utaona wapi unajipeleka mwenyewe polisi
Soma hyo utaona wapi unajipeleka mwenyewe polisi
Maneno matupu wakati namba za CR7 zinajionyesha kote alikopita including his national team while it is vice versa for mdebwedo Messi. 2 messis hahahaha one who is fantastic with BARCA and then there is messi MDEBWEDO! As per football analysts around the World. Numbers they ALWAYS don’t LIE.
The Two Messis: Why has the world's best player won it all with Barcelona but failed with Argentina
There's a paradox when it comes to Lionel Messi: he's unstoppable with his club but unable to win with his country. Will that change this summer?
Lionel Messi, Argentina on the brink of major tournament humiliation again
Argentina haven't won a major tournament in 26 years, and after two disappointing results at Copa America 2019, they must beat Qatar to advance.
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Messi 90% anacheza ktk ufanisi na mechi nyingi muhimu ndio anaonesha umuhimu wa uwepo wake
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Asa fact nilizozisoma inalaumiwa management sio messi.
Mbona unajifunga kamba mwenyewe kaka?!
Mbona unajifunga kamba mwenyewe kaka?!
Maneno matupu wakati namba za CR7 zinajionyesha kote alikopita including his national team while it is vice versa for mdebwedo Messi. 2 messis hahahaha one who is fantastic with BARCA and then there is messi MDEBWEDO! As per football analysts around the World. Numbers they ALWAYS don’t LIE.
The Two Messis: Why has the world's best player won it all with Barcelona but failed with Argentina
There's a paradox when it comes to Lionel Messi: he's unstoppable with his club but unable to win with his country. Will that change this summer?
Lionel Messi, Argentina on the brink of major tournament humiliation again
Argentina haven't won a major tournament in 26 years, and after two disappointing results at Copa America 2019, they must beat Qatar to advance.
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Kama umesema alikuwa rated 6/10 vs Liverpool huoni hiyo ni a very low performance kwa mchezaji Kama Messi ambaye on avarage ana rate 9/10 (Kama ulivyosema ) na anastahili kulaumiwa Kama unavyomlaumu Suarez and other team mates ?
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Vipi kuhusu juve kutolewa na ajax
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Argentina do not have a good enough squad.
Let’s take a look at their players.
For goalkeepers, they have Willy Caballero, Franco Armani and Nahuel Guzmán. Armani and Guzmán are unproven at the highest levels of football and are hardly world-beaters anyway. Caballero can’t even start for his club. Same goes for Romero, but he’s injured.
At defence, they don’t have any quality full-backs, and they haven’t had any since Javier Zanetti retired. Mercado is decent but not title-winning quality; Tagliafico is unproven and inexperienced, Acuña and Ansaldi are backups. Otamendi is perhaps their best defender, followed by Fazio and Rojo further behind, but none of them are on the level of Roberto Ayala, arguably Argentina’s last world-class centre-back.
At the midfield: Mascherano is 34 and playing in the Chinese league, and he’s past it physically. Lo Celso and Pavón are young and have got barely any chances so far. Di María has underperformed for Argentina recently and has been dropped. Banega, Biglia and Pérez are all average players. I don’t know enough about Meza to comment.
Arguably the only world-class area of the team is its attack, but it is also not possible to cram all the attackers into a single lineup. Other teams would probably kill to have the likes of Higuaín, Messi, Dybala and Agüero up front. But Messi and Dybala cannot play together in the same lineup since their roles and style of play are too similar; they end up occupying the same area and impeding each other. Higuaín and Agüero have a similar problem.
Honestly, this is a pretty bad Argentina team. Without Messi, they would have finished 8th out of 10 teams in the CONMEBOL qualifying group. They lost 6–1 to Spain recently; can you imagine any other team with that kind of result still being touted as potential World Cup winners?
2. Argentina are under immense pressure.
The pressure is on. Messi and Argentina have reached 3 international finals since 2014: the World Cup final (v. Germany), Copa América (v. Chile twice). They have lost all of them, whether on penalties or in extra time. With this kind of results in recent years, people are under the impression that this Argentina team must win something in order not to be considered flops.
But Argentina’s squad isn’t good enough. Compare this to Brazil, or Germany, or Spain; how many Argentinian players would get into their team? (Probably only the forwards). This obligation to win makes Argentina play with fear after the past few finals that they have lost. The noise from the crowd and the internal pressure is huge. They are more afraid of losing than they have the desire to win. This manifests itself in the form of them making basic mistakes; miscontrolling balls and miscuing simple passes as seen below.
So apparently Messi is expected to win the World Cup with these bums? Someone hold me lmaooooopic.twitter.com/QWI7BxOGk7
— Will (@MessiMastrcIass) June 22, 2018
This pressure gets to the coach as well. Sampaoli’s tactics worked okay against Iceland, and it was only due to Iceland’s defensive style of play and some luck that Argentina did not come away with the win. Yet Sampaoli lacked the courage to stay with those same tactics with Croatia. Instead he tried to change things up for the Croatia match, compromising on some of his football philosophy and I’m not sure what else he added in but it turned into this huge mess, with tactics that neither fit his own style nor the Argentinean players. If he had stuck to his guns and played using the same way that he did against Iceland, the result of the Croatia match may well have been very different.
There is also a distinct lack of continuity in the role of Argentina’s manager as well; they have had 4 different managers in the past 4 years. Every time a new manager comes in, the team is expected to familiarise themselves and adapt to another different set of tactics. Sampaoli favours a high tempo, focusing on an aggressive, hard-pressing, possession-based style of football. This kind of style of play takes time for players to learn and adapt to it; this is definitely not ideal for international football, where he had barely a few weeks to get the squad familiar with the tactics and ready for the competition. It worked with Chile for him before, because they already had players that could fit that style of play, but not so this time with Argentina.
3. Argentina are still too reliant on Messi.
Without Messi, Argentina wouldn’t have even gotten to the World Cup. In qualifying, there was a huge difference when he played. Without him, Argentina took a mere six points from a possible 24; but managed 21 from a possible 30 with him playing.
In the Croatia match, Messi was marked out of the game, usually with several defenders teaming up on him. In theory, this should have created more space for his other teammates to exploit, but this was not the case. Meza barely created any chances and sent shots directly at Subašić, who gathered with ease. Agüero didn’t drop back to help with the buildup, and instead got crowded out by the Croatian defenders.
Mascherano had to drop back into central defence to provide a passing outlet, which left Argentina with only one man (Enzo Pérez) in the midfield, and he was easily overrun by the likes of Ivan Rakitić and Luka Modrić. Salvio and Acuña were meant to provide width in Sampaoli’s 3–4–2–1 formation but too often they failed to overlap and instead were penned back by Ante Rebić and Ivan Perišić. Argentina’s attack became an individualistic and dysfunctional mess of players standing around waiting for Messi to make something happen. He made a bunch of things happen, but not once were his teammates able to take advantage. And of course, Caballero completely screwed up a clearance which cost them a goal. The entire Argentina team failed as a whole.
Perhaps Sampaoli anticipated that Messi would be marked out of the game, and instructed his players to look for other options apart from Messi. And he was right about Messi being marked out; Messi barely had any impact on the game, with nearly no shots on target or chances created in the box. They were playing, in the words of Jorge Valdano, “playing as if Messi didn’t exist”. But even so, the rest of the other players barely conjured up any chances for themselves.
I think that Messi has finally been burnt out after carrying this Argentina team time and time again on his shoulders, whether it was to the World Cup and Copa América finals, or to qualification this time round. The intense stress of doing the things Messi has to do for this team — in both tactical terms and broad historic legacy terms — is unrealistic. Argentina long ago decided his eminence on the field liberated them from having to design actual tactics around the other 10 players, making the three previous major finals Messi dragged them to all the more impressive. Maybe the pressure has finally gotten to him. Honestly, he kinda looked like a broken man already even before the match started, perhaps being well aware of the expectations placed upon him – him, not the team.
Messi is already mad at his back line & the game hasn't even kicked off#ARG
UMEWAONA HAO WACHAMBUZI WA MPIRA?
LAWAMA NI KWA ARGENTINS SIO MESSI HIYO NI FACT YANGU YA MWISHO SITABISHANA TENA
Let’s take a look at their players.
For goalkeepers, they have Willy Caballero, Franco Armani and Nahuel Guzmán. Armani and Guzmán are unproven at the highest levels of football and are hardly world-beaters anyway. Caballero can’t even start for his club. Same goes for Romero, but he’s injured.
At defence, they don’t have any quality full-backs, and they haven’t had any since Javier Zanetti retired. Mercado is decent but not title-winning quality; Tagliafico is unproven and inexperienced, Acuña and Ansaldi are backups. Otamendi is perhaps their best defender, followed by Fazio and Rojo further behind, but none of them are on the level of Roberto Ayala, arguably Argentina’s last world-class centre-back.
At the midfield: Mascherano is 34 and playing in the Chinese league, and he’s past it physically. Lo Celso and Pavón are young and have got barely any chances so far. Di María has underperformed for Argentina recently and has been dropped. Banega, Biglia and Pérez are all average players. I don’t know enough about Meza to comment.
Arguably the only world-class area of the team is its attack, but it is also not possible to cram all the attackers into a single lineup. Other teams would probably kill to have the likes of Higuaín, Messi, Dybala and Agüero up front. But Messi and Dybala cannot play together in the same lineup since their roles and style of play are too similar; they end up occupying the same area and impeding each other. Higuaín and Agüero have a similar problem.
Honestly, this is a pretty bad Argentina team. Without Messi, they would have finished 8th out of 10 teams in the CONMEBOL qualifying group. They lost 6–1 to Spain recently; can you imagine any other team with that kind of result still being touted as potential World Cup winners?
2. Argentina are under immense pressure.
The pressure is on. Messi and Argentina have reached 3 international finals since 2014: the World Cup final (v. Germany), Copa América (v. Chile twice). They have lost all of them, whether on penalties or in extra time. With this kind of results in recent years, people are under the impression that this Argentina team must win something in order not to be considered flops.
But Argentina’s squad isn’t good enough. Compare this to Brazil, or Germany, or Spain; how many Argentinian players would get into their team? (Probably only the forwards). This obligation to win makes Argentina play with fear after the past few finals that they have lost. The noise from the crowd and the internal pressure is huge. They are more afraid of losing than they have the desire to win. This manifests itself in the form of them making basic mistakes; miscontrolling balls and miscuing simple passes as seen below.
So apparently Messi is expected to win the World Cup with these bums? Someone hold me lmaooooopic.twitter.com/QWI7BxOGk7
— Will (@MessiMastrcIass) June 22, 2018
This pressure gets to the coach as well. Sampaoli’s tactics worked okay against Iceland, and it was only due to Iceland’s defensive style of play and some luck that Argentina did not come away with the win. Yet Sampaoli lacked the courage to stay with those same tactics with Croatia. Instead he tried to change things up for the Croatia match, compromising on some of his football philosophy and I’m not sure what else he added in but it turned into this huge mess, with tactics that neither fit his own style nor the Argentinean players. If he had stuck to his guns and played using the same way that he did against Iceland, the result of the Croatia match may well have been very different.
There is also a distinct lack of continuity in the role of Argentina’s manager as well; they have had 4 different managers in the past 4 years. Every time a new manager comes in, the team is expected to familiarise themselves and adapt to another different set of tactics. Sampaoli favours a high tempo, focusing on an aggressive, hard-pressing, possession-based style of football. This kind of style of play takes time for players to learn and adapt to it; this is definitely not ideal for international football, where he had barely a few weeks to get the squad familiar with the tactics and ready for the competition. It worked with Chile for him before, because they already had players that could fit that style of play, but not so this time with Argentina.
3. Argentina are still too reliant on Messi.
Without Messi, Argentina wouldn’t have even gotten to the World Cup. In qualifying, there was a huge difference when he played. Without him, Argentina took a mere six points from a possible 24; but managed 21 from a possible 30 with him playing.
In the Croatia match, Messi was marked out of the game, usually with several defenders teaming up on him. In theory, this should have created more space for his other teammates to exploit, but this was not the case. Meza barely created any chances and sent shots directly at Subašić, who gathered with ease. Agüero didn’t drop back to help with the buildup, and instead got crowded out by the Croatian defenders.
Mascherano had to drop back into central defence to provide a passing outlet, which left Argentina with only one man (Enzo Pérez) in the midfield, and he was easily overrun by the likes of Ivan Rakitić and Luka Modrić. Salvio and Acuña were meant to provide width in Sampaoli’s 3–4–2–1 formation but too often they failed to overlap and instead were penned back by Ante Rebić and Ivan Perišić. Argentina’s attack became an individualistic and dysfunctional mess of players standing around waiting for Messi to make something happen. He made a bunch of things happen, but not once were his teammates able to take advantage. And of course, Caballero completely screwed up a clearance which cost them a goal. The entire Argentina team failed as a whole.
Perhaps Sampaoli anticipated that Messi would be marked out of the game, and instructed his players to look for other options apart from Messi. And he was right about Messi being marked out; Messi barely had any impact on the game, with nearly no shots on target or chances created in the box. They were playing, in the words of Jorge Valdano, “playing as if Messi didn’t exist”. But even so, the rest of the other players barely conjured up any chances for themselves.
I think that Messi has finally been burnt out after carrying this Argentina team time and time again on his shoulders, whether it was to the World Cup and Copa América finals, or to qualification this time round. The intense stress of doing the things Messi has to do for this team — in both tactical terms and broad historic legacy terms — is unrealistic. Argentina long ago decided his eminence on the field liberated them from having to design actual tactics around the other 10 players, making the three previous major finals Messi dragged them to all the more impressive. Maybe the pressure has finally gotten to him. Honestly, he kinda looked like a broken man already even before the match started, perhaps being well aware of the expectations placed upon him – him, not the team.
Messi is already mad at his back line & the game hasn't even kicked off#ARG
UMEWAONA HAO WACHAMBUZI WA MPIRA?
LAWAMA NI KWA ARGENTINS SIO MESSI HIYO NI FACT YANGU YA MWISHO SITABISHANA TENA
Maneno matupu wakati namba za CR7 zinajionyesha kote alikopita including his national team while it is vice versa for mdebwedo Messi. 2 messis hahahaha one who is fantastic with BARCA and then there is messi MDEBWEDO! As per football analysts around the World. Numbers they ALWAYS don’t LIE.
The Two Messis: Why has the world's best player won it all with Barcelona but failed with Argentina
There's a paradox when it comes to Lionel Messi: he's unstoppable with his club but unable to win with his country. Will that change this summer?
Lionel Messi, Argentina on the brink of major tournament humiliation again
Argentina haven't won a major tournament in 26 years, and after two disappointing results at Copa America 2019, they must beat Qatar to advance.
BAK
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Excellent players will ALWAYS make other players look good in the ground but not mdebwedo messi he has no that ability to make other players to look good.
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“oh he scored 3 goals against Seville, but can he do it wet windy Tuesday night in Stoke”
When you are only 5'6 [emoji16][emoji16][emoji16][emoji16]... We all know the answer
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He can like the way he did to Ecuador