Asili ya Waislamu wa Masama, Hai Kilimanjaro ni wapi?

[Nicholas]

Matola This is the white lie that had been built by the missionaries and after the revolution and Union of 1964. And now propagated by the ultra conservetives of CCM Zanzibar and being helped by people like you. Why the so called historians does not tell you that the first church in Africa was built in Zanzibar on the land at Mbweni and allocated by the Sultan himself. The Anglican Church at Mkunazini is the same story and some of it was leased from a well known Arab family this where the St. Monica hospital and church's school. Why they dont say the truth that even the clock and the bell on the minaret was contributed by the Sultan himself? They are telling lies to tourist that the cellar below the St. Monica hospital was used to keep slaves to replenish them before put on sale while the hospital itself was built long after the slave trade had been abolished and that cellar was used to cool the medicines ised during the great epidemics of plague and smallpox. Reference to this statement above is a lady in Adelaide, Australia called Anne Chapel Smithyman the daughter of Mr. Mervin Smythiman the then ADC to the Sultan. The hate for Jemshid was imposed on the populace by the so called Protectors (The British) because Jamshid did two grave mistakes: 1) Agreeing with ZNP to fight for Independence. 2) Whe wrote a letter to HM the Queen to ask justice for his father's sudden death because he believes tha his father did not die due to diabetes but foul play. His father was against the british hegemony in EA. For your information during the Lancaster house independence conference it is on the records that ASP asked for a copycat UK style govt and paliamentary system and that Sultan will be the constitutional.monarch and that him and his family will be protected for ever. While ZNP under the influence of Gamal Abdelnasser socialist ideology the way they ousted King Farouk. Ref. "The Short History of Zanzibar" by Maulid Mshangama the then member of Legco and son in law to the Sultan Khalifa bin Haroub.

Hivi wewe....na dini yako chotara ya Kihindi na Uislam..hujaondoa element za utumwa wa found wa dini yenu...?utaacha lini kuwa mtumwa wa kifikra kila kitu west wamabadili,sijui ni white lie...do you think yelow,black, or whatever lie would be closer to truth.?

 

[Nicholas]

We jifunze kiswahili kisha uje kukoment hakuna neno hovyo katika kiswahili , ukitaja majina ya kabila au sehemu anza na herufi kubwa .

Hata jina la uislam?au allah?kwani nani kakuambia hiyo convention inalazimishwa kwa watu..german tuu ndio ndio wanatumia herufi kubwa ili kutofautisha nount ba verb....otherwise miungu wadogo ni herufi ndogo...

 

[Nicholas]

Hii historia umeisoma mahali au ndio unatunga yako??

Haha..hii dunia inachekesha..hii ndi miwatu ya colors ..inavyotoka na kuona maandishi hujifanya masters wa hayo maandishiw akatiw engine wanakimbia ktk mambo mengine wanaishia kupigwa chenga kila kukicha. Huyo sijui km bado ni sikh,,dini ya mtumwa aliyetoka geuzwa na waarabu kwa kiasi cha kufikia kuwa confused na kuamua kuchanga Uihindu na uislam eti apate dini neutral na yenye amani..as if anatengeneza remix....ndio maana anadhani akijipendekeza kwa islam ndio islam itastaarabika na kuwa peaceful..?uislam ni kuunyoosha kwa upanga km china, au central africa au russia....sidhani km umesikia wakipiga kelele..siku zote wanatangaza kuwa ni rafiki na china na rushia na north korea...

 

[Nicholas]

mimi minyoo hainisumbui tena dawa nimeshapata kwa mtume mwamedi nikiwa jangwani nichambie mawe matatu. hiyo ndio tiba iliyoniponya kutoka kwa mwamedi.

Haha.....jamaa wenyewe matendo ya mwamedi yanawadhalilidha sana...basi tuu hofu ktk dini na kushikwa na roho za majini....jamaa kila siku wapo furious fact za muhamad zikitajwa hadi wao hawaamini kuwa kweli jamaa alifanya huo uharo,ushetani na wendawazimu....wanadhani watu wanazusha.

 

[magwio]

Hata jina la uislam?au allah?kwani nani kakuambia hiyo convention inalazimishwa kwa watu..german tuu ndio ndio wanatumia herufi kubwa ili kutofautisha nount ba verb....otherwise miungu wadogo ni herufi ndogo...

Chagadema povu linawatokeni ...

 

[Nicholas]

Sasa, huo uharo woote ulomwaga wanini!? Hizo cheap excuses na triangular explanations zoote zanini!? Hivi wee msukule una uwezo upi wa kunikhadith mie history ya pahala popote ndani ya dunia hii¡¿ Daah! Peleka hizo pumba zako pale kijiweni penu Ufipa Str...na muendeleze usukule wenu na wale vilaza wanzio akina Yericko Nyerere! Salaam zao!

Makondoo nayo hudhani kupiga kichwa ni mbinu hatari sana duniani....inayoweza muumiza kila mnyama.Kweli you are da bad ass...nikiheshimu matakataka km nyie nitakuwa nimefanya kufuru.. Ili miislam ya pale kwasadala ni mibakaji mikubwa sana a wanawake wasio waislam, na wanabaka sana Wakristu ..wakidhani wanamkomoa Yesu na kukumbuza mohamad..ndio maana boko haramu wanafanya the same.Kwa ujula hata watuw asiojua kuwa uislam wa wale hooligans pale, huwa wanashangaa sana hizo patterns zao,na matendo yao na mara wakipata hela huishia kujifanya ni wafuasi wa dini safi na kutumia pesa kuendelea ugaidi na madhambi na kufru zilizohalalishwa ktk hii dini...ni trully patterns za mungu mwenye wivu allah...anayetaka damu za wakristu..anayewatuma mtafute visingizo vya kubomoa makanisa na shule, na kuwaua wakristu mkijidai kuwa mmedhulumiwa au kunyanyaswa as if nyie ni watoto na mnahitaji malezi na kudekezwa na wakristu....mungu wenu ana wivu ni mwaribifu ndio maana gharama za kivita ni kubwa kuliko hata misaada kwa wanyonge hata ndani ya uislam tuu....siku niliporealize kwanini wamisionari walikuwa wakisema pamoja na chuki zenu bado huduma za kijamii zitakwenda hadi kwenu ili muaibike zaidi na kukosa sababu ya maana ya kumwaga damu kwa allah..na majinn...SI MMEAMBIWA KUWA MKIENDA VITANI BILA DAMU KUTOKA SI SAHIHI AU NI KM BURE..?Maana yake nini..kwa vampire?

 

[Nicholas]

Sasa, huo uharo woote ulomwaga wanini!? Hizo cheap excuses na triangular explanations zoote zanini!? Hivi wee msukule una uwezo upi wa kunikhadith mie history ya pahala popote ndani ya dunia hii¡¿ Daah! Peleka hizo pumba zako pale kijiweni penu Ufipa Str...na muendeleze usukule wenu na wale vilaza wanzio akina Yericko Nyerere! Salaam zao!

ufipa ndio kuna huu ushenzi.....kima wewe..ufipa kulimshinda Zitto..tabia ya kujifanya mstaarabu ktk media ..wakati ni mchambia mawe, ni mfuasi mzuri wa kamikaze za muhamad ,km ilivyo kwa JK..kila siku anageuka na kuwageuzia vibao wengine wakati nchi inamshinda,huku anahubiri amani huku anahubiri damu yote yake bora tuu kuwachanganya watu...kwa jisni mlivyofumbwa akili hakuna anayejiuliza km uongo,mauaji,ubakaji etc ni kitu sahihi hata km ni kwa manufaa ya islam..sasa nini kitakuwa kipimo cha haki ktk dini ya kiharamia....km kila ni relative...?

 

[Nicholas]

Chagadema povu linawatokeni ...

unogopa povu wakati coke inatoa povu,sabuni inatoa povu, pombe inatoa povu ..na hata mkipandwa NA MAPEPO YENU YANAYOWATAKA DAMU,AU WAKE ZNU KUPATA WANAUME WA KUTOSHA KUWAKATA KIU HUWA POVU LINAWATOKA......waislam tangu wakiwa watoto wanafundishwa ugaidi chuki dhidi ya wengine..kuwabaka wanawake wasio waislam....bahati nzuri na UKImwi hao una loom huko huko.....mtakufa sana na upuuzi wenu wa allah...mubake wanawake ili muwaoe kwa nguvu wakiw ana mimba zenu ili wawe dini yenu na wa kweni wabaki wakwenu..mis calculations....kazi .Watoto wa kiislam kazi ni kushawishi migomo na kutafuta upendo wa kuchonganisha wanafunzi na shule km ni shule za kikristu ili zichomwe ,wakidhani wanapunguza..wapuuzi kwelikweli hawajui kuwa ndipo panajengwa Kanisa kubwa zaidi...lenye ujumbe makini zaidi..na shule bora zaidi yenye kuwaabisha zaidi.....

 

[Phillemon Mikael]

Kuchanganya herufi kubwa na ndogo kitaaluma ni sawa na kufanya fujo.

Hatufanyi mtihani wa Cambridge hapa...Wabongo bana ...

 

[Gs-300]

yapping at its best,bla bla bla....get a life babu gombe-sugu.lol

You make me really wonder about your level of intelligence and ability to conduct a meaningful/constructive discussion!? Daah!

But, but I suppose you have nothing to do with your lousy existence other than to make a complete and utter fool of yourself!? Such ignorance!

Ahsanta sana.

 

[Gs-300]

ufipa ndio kuna huu ushenzi.....kima wewe..ufipa kulimshinda Zitto..tabia ya kujifanya mstaarabu ktk media ..wakati ni mchambia mawe, ni mfuasi mzuri wa kamikaze za muhamad ,km ilivyo kwa JK..kila siku anageuka na kuwageuzia vibao wengine wakati nchi inamshinda,huku anahubiri amani huku anahubiri damu yote yake bora tuu kuwachanganya watu...kwa jisni mlivyofumbwa akili hakuna anayejiuliza km uongo,mauaji,ubakaji etc ni kitu sahihi hata km ni kwa manufaa ya islam..sasa nini kitakuwa kipimo cha haki ktk dini ya kiharamia....km kila ni relative...?

Unasema!?

 

[Zogwale]

Tena ni waumini safi kabisa n wanashirikiana katika koo zao ambazo wengine ni wakristo. Nilisoma Moshi na sikusikia malumbano ya kutaja udini. Leo hii mnatuhumu wachaga eti ni wadini. Hawana asili hiyo na ni mfano wa kuigwa.

 

[Gs-300]

Makondoo nayo hudhani kupiga kichwa ni mbinu hatari sana duniani....inayoweza muumiza kila mnyama.Kweli you are da bad ass...nikiheshimu matakataka km nyie nitakuwa nimefanya kufuru.. Ili miislam ya pale kwasadala ni mibakaji mikubwa sana a wanawake wasio waislam, na wanabaka sana Wakristu ..wakidhani wanamkomoa Yesu na kukumbuza mohamad..ndio maana boko haramu wanafanya the same.Kwa ujula hata watuw asiojua kuwa uislam wa wale hooligans pale, huwa wanashangaa sana hizo patterns zao,na matendo yao na mara wakipata hela huishia kujifanya ni wafuasi wa dini safi na kutumia pesa kuendelea ugaidi na madhambi na kufru zilizohalalishwa ktk hii dini...ni trully patterns za mungu mwenye wivu allah...anayetaka damu za wakristu..anayewatuma mtafute visingizo vya kubomoa makanisa na shule, na kuwaua wakristu mkijidai kuwa mmedhulumiwa au kunyanyaswa as if nyie ni watoto na mnahitaji malezi na kudekezwa na wakristu....mungu wenu ana wivu ni mwaribifu ndio maana gharama za kivita ni kubwa kuliko hata misaada kwa wanyonge hata ndani ya uislam tuu....siku niliporealize kwanini wamisionari walikuwa wakisema pamoja na chuki zenu bado huduma za kijamii zitakwenda hadi kwenu ili muaibike zaidi na kukosa sababu ya maana ya kumwaga damu kwa allah..na majinn...SI MMEAMBIWA KUWA MKIENDA VITANI BILA DAMU KUTOKA SI SAHIHI AU NI KM BURE..?Maana yake nini..kwa vampire?

Duuh! Teeh! Teeh! Teeh!

Yaani kwa huo uharo ulomwaga...hakuna hata pa kutia maguu hapa jamvini! Daah!

Lazim nikiri yakua hata sifahamu asilan, umeandika nini au umekusudia kipi!? Daah!

Kwa kifupi, yaani kama dasturi yako...umehamisha kabisa ile scope ya huu mjadala, tena kwa kumwaga tu chuki zako binafsi,mihemuko ya kidini na ulemavu wa fikara!

Au ulikua umekusudia kusema/kuandika nini!? Daah! Teeh! Teeh! Teeh!

Salaam zao!

 

[Gs-300]

Tena ni waumini safi kabisa n wanashirikiana katika koo zao ambazo wengine ni wakristo. Nilisoma Moshi na sikusikia malumbano ya kutaja udini. Leo hii mnatuhumu wachaga eti ni wadini. Hawana asili hiyo na ni mfano wa kuigwa.

Mkuu,

Hivi unafuatilia huu mnakasha post by post!? Daah!

Hapa hakuna asilan alojaribu kushutumu Wachaga woote kwa udini!...mie binafsi Wachaga nawafahamu kiundani mno, na tumekua nao na kuhishimiana/kuthaminiana as family friends, kwa kitambo kingi mno!...yaani tangia nikiwa mduchu!

Tena ni mchanganyiko wa Wachaga kutoka maeneo tafauti ya mkoa wa Kilimanjaro...Wakristo kwa Waislam,na wangine hawana/hawataki hata hayo mambo ya dini/imani!

Naifahamu kiundani hata ile social class iliyopo baina ya Wachaga...na ule ubaguzi/udhaifu wa kimwana-Adam wafanzianao hata wenyewe kwa wenyewe! Ukitaka nitakuekea majina ya hata baadhi ya families/watu ambao mpaka kesho tuko nao very close...au mie binafsi nimesoma nao!? Nina hakika baadhi yao utawafahamu,maana wangine ni maarufu mno tangia kitambo kingi!

Hao Wachaga, wangi wao pia tumeishi nao vizuri mno as house boys and/or girls...tangia mie nikiwa mduchu!

Pana mangi mno, lakini natumai hayo yakutosha kwasasa,au!?

Dhiki iliyopo hapa jamvini, ni baadhi tu ya misukule fulani inajaribu ule muendelezo wao wa Islamophobia na chuki zao kwa ndugu zetu Waislam Wachaga na kujaribu kuwachafua hata Waislam wangine! Daah!

Kwa kifupi, wanachokifanza hapa wanatumia tactic dhaifu ya kujaribu kuwa-divide Waislam wa Tanganyika kwa makabila,maeneo wanayoishi/waliyozaliwa,urangi na asili zao...lakini wakti huohuo wana-discourage ile historical and/or cultural context/facts!? Duuh!

Yaani ukiitazama kiundani madhumuni ya hii thread na wangi wa wachangiaji wake...utagundua lengo lao kuu ni kuwachafua na kujaribu kuwagawa Waislam/Uislam kwa makabila...na uchafu/upuuzi mwangine mwingi mno! Daah!

Hivi yaingiaje akilini tunajaribu kuaminishwa, yakua ati Waislam Wachaga woote ni "wageni"/"wahamiaji" tu!?...lakini wale Wachaga Wakristo ndo "natives"!?...au Ukristo ndo imani/dini yenye haki kwenye yale maeneo fulani yanayotajwa hapa jamvini!? Daah!

Sasa,hivi kweli hawa misukule kama sio time wasters...hivi tuwaiteje!?

Nimecheka hapa,maana pana post moja inadai ati yakua wale ndugu zetu Waislam wenye asili ya kabila la Wachaga...woote ni majambazi!? Daah!

Ndipo nami nikauliza, je lile jambazi na tapeli lililokubuhu Alex Masawe nae pia ni Muislam!?

Mpaka sasa sijapawa jawaba lolote lenye mantik kwalo!?

Ahsanta sana!

 

[GKM]

Hivyo ndivyo ilivyo, jee wewe una nyingine mbadala? iweke.

Jee, wewe umesoma historia?

Historia niliyosoma mimi inasema waarabu walikuja tu afrika ni si wakazi wa asili,,hata kaskazini mwa afrika palikuwa makazi ya watu weusi na sio waarabu.

 

[FaizaFoxy]

Historia niliyosoma mimi inasema waarabu walikuja tu afrika ni si wakazi wa asili,,hata kaskazini mwa afrika palikuwa makazi ya watu weusi na sio waarabu.

Una tatizo kubwa kuliko nilivyodhani. Umesha uhusisha weupe na Uarabu! Dah! Kumbuka, Waarabu walio wengi ni weusi. Fikiri, Sudan ni Waarabu na ni wengi sana na wengi wao ni weusi. Uarabu si rangi.

 

[Zogwale]

Gs-300 asante sana kwa maelezo yako mazuri sana kuhusu wachaga na uislam. Ninatamani sana kila mtu au member aliyekuwa na mawazo potofu au mfu kuhusu waislam wa kichaga aje asome ulichoandika hapa. Sijui ni kwa nini chawa wa udini na ukabila umekamata sana ufahamu wa baadhi ya watu hasa tena walio na uelewa kwa kuwa ninaamini hapa jamvini wengi wetu ni wasomi au tunaelewa na ndiyo maana tumejiunga hapa. Hakika ni hatari sana kama mawazo haya yataendelea kuwa ndani ya vichwa vya watu hawa. Wachaga hata katika mitaa tunayoishi huwa tena mara nyingi ndiyo wanaongoza vile vikundi vyetu vya mtaani tena kwa ufanisi. Tukipata misiba wako mstari wa mbele kushiriki regardless ya dini. Ni majirani wazuri sana tena wivu hawana. Ninawashukuru majirani zangu wote wachaga!!!

 

[kadoda11]

You make me really wonder about your level of intelligence and ability to conduct a meaningful/constructive discussion!? Daah!

But, but I suppose you have nothing to do with your lousy existence other than to make a complete and utter fool of yourself!? Such ignorance!

Ahsanta sana.

hahaha babu yangu unavituko kweli.
let me tell you this as a BTW.haya mambo ya wewe kutumia multiple IDs umeyaanza lini babu?.mbona hayaendani na caliber yako?.hivi wajua kwamba uandishi wako upo unique sana na haujifichi.pls haya mambo ya kucheza na IDs tuachie sisi wajukuu zako.besically,you had a good reputation through your former ID.you were at a top position among JF Great Thinkers.i ask you to go back to the same "babu" i use know.nisalimie bibi.

Ahsanta sana.

 

[Gs-300]

hahaha babu yangu unavituko kweli.
let me tell you this as a BTW.haya mambo ya wewe kutumia multiple IDs umeyaanza lini babu?.mbona hayaendani na caliber yako?.hivi wajua kwamba uandishi wako upo unique sana na haujifichi.pls haya mambo ya kucheza na IDs tuachie sisi wajukuu zako.besically,you had a good reputation through your former ID.you were at a top position among JF Great Thinkers.i ask you to go back to the same "babu" i use know.nisalimie bibi.

Ahsanta sana.

Mjukuu wangu!...nimekusoma.

Nakuhakikishia yakua mie walaa sijajificha na sintajificha asilan!

Hata Mods wanafahamu/naliwafahamisha yakua kwa sababu fulani kadhaa mie nitatumia jina jangine kwa muda makhusus!...kwa hiyo hata ukinita lile jina langu ulipendalo la awali...haitakua vibaya na usitie shaka!

Also your beautiful compliments well noted!...you are such a kind human being and I'm so humbled!

Ahsanta sana.

 

[west82]

Tatizo ni kwamba watanzani walio wengi hawapendi kusoma vitabu na wakisoma basi wanasoma kikasuku