Bush na Kikwete; Hizi ndio sababu za kupayuka kwetu?

Bush na Kikwete; Hizi ndio sababu za kupayuka kwetu?

Lady Capricorn said:
Pundit,
I am curious: what do you mean by your statement that Nyerere had a 'relatively acceptable' level of intelligence?
I think that Mwinyi exhibited a conciliatory subtlety and diplomacy that Kikwete also exhibits this is a complex skill and one of the qualities of a good statesman. Not that I mean to defend our Presidents, current or past, but throwing out the baby with the bathwater is not a reasonable way to go about analyzing their performance and legacies.

Do you really think that these men (and yes, they are flawed) who have administered such a diverse country through nation-building economic crises, ethnic and religious differences and ideological change are truly incompetent because they cannot conjugate a few English verbs/exibited some egoic behavior?
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Nyerere's intelligence is relatively acceptable, compare him to Kikwete he is a genius but he had so many failures to be a true genius, hence relatively acceptable considering the circumstances and Zeitgeist.

Mwinyi was passively pathetic full stop, no two ways about it.Kikwete cannot even claim to employ subtle diplomacy, it is a thin line between conciliatory diplomacy and two bit bullshyting, what Kikwete did is two bit bullshyting, talking much without saying anything.The thing is there is an art of talking much without saying anything and still being meaningful, Kikwete hasn't mastered this and is clearly exposing his lack of grasp and competency when he declares "we are doing things differently and you are doing things differently" this is hardly conciliatory diplomacy.You cannot say " we in Africa indeed have the same concerns as you, the only thing we may differ is the way forward", the only thing!, the only thing! As if there so many other significantly strategic things here that we agree on and the only showstopper is this little insignificant detail of how we go forward.

Mr president, how we go forward is the only significant thing here, how dare you say it is the "only" thing we differ on.

It is like you are cashstrapped in front someone holding a million dollars in a briefcase and he is saying I can give you all this hot humid air around us, the only thing I cannot give you is this briefcase with dollars, not very helpful is he?

He could be unkwowingly declaring war in some settings.

Do you really think that these men (and yes, they are flawed) who have administered such a diverse country through nation-building economic crises, ethnic and religious differences and ideological change are truly incompetent because they cannot conjugate a few English verbs/exibited some egoic behavior?
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If you follow my criticism you will see that it is based on much more than linguistic prowess and erudite remarks.
 
Hapa ni implementation za policies NDIYO what matters!
Hauwezi kufananisha intellectualism za watu waliokuwa na FIKRA TOFAUTI!

Reagan alikuwa anti communism and socialism whereas mwalimu alikumbatia hizo ideologies na kutufanya tubaki nyuma kwani kwa kutumia UNAFIKI akijifanya kusema HATUFUNGAMANI NA UPANDE WOWOTE NA HUKU SAFARI ZIKIWA KIGUU NA NJIA KILA SIKU KWENDA KWA MATAIFA MAADUI WAKUBWA WA MAREKANI NA UINGEREZA KA CUBA,CHINA,RUSSIA NK!

DOUBLE STANDARD INAHARIBU PRINCIPALITY YA IDEALISM NA HAPO NDIYO FAILURE YA JKN!
 
jamani we ave to admit that we ave a nincompoop simpleton puppet president.
 
Mwalimu, damned with faint praise. Just so that I can orient myself then, who would people contributing to this thread hold up as paragons of leadership virtue?
So far Reagan and Clinton have some admirers...Mandela?
 
mwanatanu said:
Marais kibao tu wanaongea English mbovu tu kina Musharaf na wengineo...tatizo letu waafrika ni bado tuna kasumba ya ukoloni wote hata hawa jamaa wa DRC wanadai kuwa Kibila haongei kifaransa kizuri kama Mobutu...mbona kina Sarkozy wanajua English lakini wanaongea kifaransa?au mtasema kwa vile ni super power?...bollocks.

Kidogo nawasifia Mi Nigeria ikiongea english bila accent yao wanakucheka na kukuita coconut......kikwete kama kakosea grammar hata kichaka mara ngapi anakosea grammar?...swali ni je message intended imefika na kueleweka?..period.

Ilishawahi tokea mwl wetu mmoja,alipotoka kozi uingereza, akawa anakiongea kimombo cha pua....nasi tukawa tunamzimia sana.....ndio tulivyo.
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Mwanatanu,

Message haifiki kwa sababu Kikwete hawezi kujieleza vizuri katika kiingereza.Kama kuna mtu anayedharau Kiswahili basi ni Kikwete anayekazania kuongea lugha asiyoijua.

Outrage yangu is not so much kwamba Kikwete hajui Kiingereza -which would be a good thing- as it is kwamba Kikwete is a poor communicator and decision maker.Ameshindwa kutumia Kiswahili ambayo ni lugha inayotambulika kimataifa kwa sababu ya inferiority complex na kutaka kuonekana na yeye yumo katika wanaoongea kiingereza. Sasa ukiangalia remarks zake kama wewe mchambuzi unaona fyongo tu.
 
Lady Capricorn said:
Mwalimu, damned with faint praise. Just so that I can orient myself then, who would people contributing to this thread hold up as paragons of leadership virtue?
So far Reagan and Clinton have some admirers...Mandela?
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Ofcourse waliupigania UBEPARI MOJA KWA MOJA NA SI KAMA JKN ALIYEJIDAI KUSEMA HAFUNGAMANI NA UPANDE WOWOTE NA WAKATI NI WAZI ALIKUWA MKOMUNISTI!
ALIJICHONGEA NA UNAFIKI WAKE ULILIPONZA TAIFA!
Ni heri angekuwa mjanja kama WAJAPAN!
Yeye alikuwa kila kukicha yuko CHINA na Tuvijisuti twake twa kina MAO TSE TUNG!

Na huku akipeleka madaktari kusoma huko RUSSIA na kushirikiana na ADUI MKUBWA WA USA..FIDEL CASTRO!

WAZUNGU WA WEST HAWAKUMPA MSAADA WAKAMWAMBIA..FOOL US ONCE..!
 
Lady Capricorn said:
Mwalimu, damned with faint praise. Just so that I can orient myself then, who would people contributing to this thread hold up as paragons of leadership virtue?
So far Reagan and Clinton have some admirers...Mandela?
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Mandela's two credits are being a figure for the Anti-Apartheid movement and being a beacon for reconciliation. I do not want to credit him for stepping down, as he should have, although it was nice to have a statesmanlike posture in not wanting to cling to power at a time his gravita allowed him.

For the first, apart from impeccable integrity and a great sacrifice, one does not need much to refuse to be let out of jail under conditions.For the second he was just upholding his integrity and politically savvy values.

On those two areas Mandela is indeed not only beacon of hope and but also a lighthouse to point the way and inspire.But you need more than that to be a "paragon of leadership virtue" you need more than that.

You need a Gandhi, someone that has all, is modest enough and secure to shun political office and one that and can still hit the mighty British Empire economically in a non-violent way until it surrenders.
 
Sure..!
Ghandhi aliwaambia WAHINDI WANYE KILA MAHALI ILI MWINGEREZA MSTAARAB ACHUKIE WAKATI WA VITA ILE YA MKOLONI!

Tatizo ni kwamba MKOLONI ALIKWISHA ONDOKA NA MAHATMA KESHAKUFA KABLA HAJAWAAMBIA WAACHE KUNYA HOVYO KWANI MKOLONI SASA KESHAONDOKA!

WALE MLIOKO INDIA MNAWEZA KUKUBALIANA NA MIMI KUWA WAHINDI BADO WANAANGUSHA VINYESI KILA MAHALI HUKO INDIA!

Ila kumbukeni kuwa ni Mahatma Gandhi aliwaambia wanye kila mahali ili kumtia kichefu chefu mkoloni na bahati mbaya kafa kabla hajawaambia waache!
 
Pundit, Ghandi you say? You certainly don't aim high do you. I agree that he is exemplary but things get shaky when you say 'secure to shun political office.' That presents a quandary: wishing for brilliant leaders who shun political office? who should do the dirty, hum-drum every-day work of keeping a country running? revolutions are fun but they cannot be the eternal modus operandi.

Jmushi1, so who do you think are worthwhile leaders are bwana? Kila tunayemtaja hapa unamponda. Wewe unamu-admire nani?
 
Pundit said:
Mandela's two credits are being a figure for the Anti-Apartheid movement and being a beacon for reconciliation. I do not want to credit him for stepping down, as he should have, although it was nice to have a statesmanlike posture in not wanting to cling to power at a time his gravita allowed him.

For the first, apart from impeccable integrity and a great sacrifice, one does not need much to refuse to be let out of jail under conditions.For the second he was just upholding his integrity and politically savvy values.

On those two areas Mandela is indeed not only beacon of hope and but also a lighthouse to point the way and inspire.But you need more than that to be a "paragon of leadership virtue" you need more than that.

You need a Gandhi, someone that has all, is modest enough and secure to shun political office and one that and can still hit the mighty British Empire economically in a non-violent way until it surrenders.
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I will go with Georgia's favorite son Dr. Martin Luther King Jr......he could have been anything he wanted to be but sacrificed his life for others.....
 
jmushi1 said:
Sure..!
Ghandhi aliwaambia WAHINDI WANYE KILA MAHALI ILI MWINGEREZA MSTAARAB ACHUKIE WAKATI WA VITA ILE YA MKOLONI!

Tatizo ni kwamba MKOLONI ALIKWISHA ONDOKA NA MAHATMA KESHAKUFA KABLA HAJAWAAMBIA WAACHE KUNYA HOVYO KWANI MKOLONI SASA KESHAONDOKA!

WALE MLIOKO INDIA MNAWEZA KUKUBALIANA NA MIMI KUWA WAHINDI BADO WANAANGUSHA VINYESI KILA MAHALI HUKO INDIA!

Ila kumbukeni kuwa ni Mahatma Gandhi aliwaambia wanye kila mahali ili kumtia kichefu chefu mkoloni na bahati mbaya kafa kabla hajawaambia waache!
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Jmushi una hakika?

How come this piece of information did not make it into "Gandhi: The Story of Experiments With Truth"?

Inakuwaje mtu aliyeorganise kusafisha pit latrines za untouchable cast, the lowest of the low in India, ajihusishe na uchafu huo?

http://www.goodnewsindia.com/index.php/Magazine/story/sulabh/P2/
 
Pundit,

..Ronald Reagan had very good handlers. He sorrounded himself with gifted speech writers, and conservative political advisors and loyalists, who knew how to work with/for him.

..performance ya Kikwete so far, is not what you would expect from someone who served for 10 yrs as the Minister of Foreign Affairs, and haboured presidential ambitions his entire adult life.
 
jokaKuu said:
Pundit,

..Ronald Reagan had very good handlers. He sorrounded himself with gifted speech writers, and conservative political advisors and loyalists, who knew how to work with/for him.

..performance ya Kikwete so far, is not what you would expect from someone who served for 10 yrs as the Minister of Foreign Affairs, and haboured presidential ambitions his entire adult life.
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You can surround yourself with the 'bestest' people but if you are not gifted yourself, you'll just be a run of the mill politician....some things can't be taught....you either have it or you don't.....
 
Chaguo la Mungu jamani mnalikataa?? Kweli Nabii haheshimiki/hatambuliwi nyumbani...Khwi khwi khwiiiiii.....................!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
 
Nyani Ngabu et al,

There is a very strong positive correlation between cognitive ability and communication skills competence and, in particular, language competence. There is a plethora of evidence, well understood by any undergraduate first year psychology student, which shows that a language and communication handicap is a very good predictor of poor and disorganised intelligence.

This is to say language competence or incompetence provides the first impression of the level of intelligence in a speaker, which is why oratory ability and communication skills in general have for many years been used as reliable predictors of a political candidate's electability in many countries, except Tanzania of course!
 
Kitila Mkumbo said:
Nyani Ngabu et al,

There is a very strong positive correlation between cognitive ability and communication skills competence and, in particular, language competence. There is a plethora of evidence, well understood by any undergraduate first year psychology student, which shows that a language and communication handicap is a very good predictor of poor and disorganised intelligence. This is to say language competence or incompetence provides the first impression of the level of intelligence in a speaker.

This is why oratory ability and communication skills in general have for many years been used as reliable predictors of a political candidate's electability in many countries, except Tanzania of course!
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kwa hiyo watu wenye vigugumizi ni ishara ya kuwa na "disorganised intelligence au?", hebu fafanua kidogo kuhusu hiyo theory
 
jmushi1 said:
Ofcourse waliupigania UBEPARI MOJA KWA MOJA NA SI KAMA JKN ALIYEJIDAI KUSEMA HAFUNGAMANI NA UPANDE WOWOTE NA WAKATI NI WAZI ALIKUWA MKOMUNISTI!
ALIJICHONGEA NA UNAFIKI WAKE ULILIPONZA TAIFA!
Ni heri angekuwa mjanja kama WAJAPAN!
Yeye alikuwa kila kukicha yuko CHINA na Tuvijisuti twake twa kina MAO TSE TUNG!

Na huku akipeleka madaktari kusoma huko RUSSIA na kushirikiana na ADUI MKUBWA WA USA..FIDEL CASTRO!

WAZUNGU WA WEST HAWAKUMPA MSAADA WAKAMWAMBIA..FOOL US ONCE..!
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Mushi1,
Mwalimu hakuwa mkomunisti. Not in any definition of the word. Kama wewe unamwona alikuwa hafai kuna mamia tunaomwona kuwa alitufaa sana.
 
Nyani Ngabu,
You are doing an injustice to Salim Ahmed Salim by grouping him among those whose English skills are questionable. Salim is a very skilled orator, both in English and Swahili. I used to enjoy his speeches in the UN. He could give Mwalimu a run for his money.
 
Jasusi said:
Mushi1,
Mwalimu hakuwa mkomunisti. Not in any definition of the word. Kama wewe unamwona alikuwa hafai kuna mamia tunaomwona kuwa alitufaa sana.
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Ujamaa HAUNA chembe chembe za MARXISIM?
Na Marxism si COMMUNISM?
 
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