Call to Public Debate- Any Brave Atheist or Atheists

[Tuangoma]

The problem of evil is a classic. It is not personal.



Other than jumping around, you actually haven't answered the question.

Why don't you answer the question?

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Seat belt on please!

This is th the Question most Atheist will ask.

If God is Just, why is there so much Evil?

There are many people who suffer from anxiety and pain in their daily existence, which may seem to make it implausible to argue that a loving Creator exists. One can understand that a perfectly loving God must abolish all pain. The simplified thinking is that if He cannot free mankind from their suffering, He is not perfectly loving and omnipotent.

If we assume God is omniscient, omnipotent, and has perfectly created the world, then why are there catastrophes like death, war, earthquakes, poverty, hunger, and bitter conditions of life? This therefore implies that perhaps God is not powerful or God created evils such as catastrophes by accident, therefore implying He is not all knowing or finally God made evil on purpose and He does not want to destroy evil. Traditionally there are many different ways of addressing and responding to this dilemma:

1. God is omniscient, omnipotent and perfect, and justice is part of perfection and omniscience; hence, God is just. Injustice must therefore be from ignorance and fanaticism, or as a result of need.

According to Qara'ati, the causes of injustice are as follows:

a. Ignorance: Sometimes ignorance causes injustice. But this does not apply to God, who is above all defects such as ignorance and whose knowledge is infinite.

b. Fear: Sometimes it is fear which is the cause of injustice. For example, one strong power is scared of another strong power who can become his rival or enemy. But the Almighty Allah has no one as His rival. Everything is His creation and completely dependent on him.

c. Wants: Sometimes the cause of injustice is one's sense of deprivation and thus from a psychological point of view one feels obliged to meet his needs and fulfil his wants. But God has no needs.

d. Meanness: Sometimes it is due to inner meanness that some people oppress others or when they see the deprived and oppressed people, they derive pleasure in seeing them so4 But God is benevolent.

As the above characteristics cannot be attributed to God, an infinite being must therefore be free of all these characteristics, and nothing is hidden from his divine knowledge.

2. Evil is necessary for the greater good. This argument is used to justify and explain that a world with greater good and a little evil is better than a world with no good at all. Also, according to this argument, God made this world in the best and excellent manner possible.

3. Man’s freedom is the cause of evil.

4. Evil is a negative thing. Man has free will and has the ability to be good or bad, humanist or tyrannical.

And thats how we Are.
Did I answer you question yet?

 

[Tuangoma]

"your arrogance questions".

Hilarious.

An all knowing, all capable all loving godhead creating such a piece of shyt as yourself would be the height of contradictory cruelty.

I feel sorry for your mum! She must be in a great loss to have a girl like you.

 

[Kiranga]

Seat belt on please!

This is th the Question most Atheist will ask.

If God is Just, why is there so much Evil?

There are many people who suffer from anxiety and pain in their daily existence, which may seem to make it implausible to argue that a loving Creator exists. One can understand that a perfectly loving God must abolish all pain. The simplified thinking is that if He cannot free mankind from their suffering, He is not perfectly loving and omnipotent.

If we assume God is omniscient, omnipotent, and has perfectly created the world, then why are there catastrophes like death, war, earthquakes, poverty, hunger, and bitter conditions of life? This therefore implies that perhaps God is not powerful or God created evils such as catastrophes by accident, therefore implying He is not all knowing or finally God made evil on purpose and He does not want to destroy evil. Traditionally there are many different ways of addressing and responding to this dilemma:

1. God is omniscient, omnipotent and perfect, and justice is part of perfection and omniscience; hence, God is just. Injustice must therefore be from ignorance and fanaticism, or as a result of need.

According to Qara'ati, the causes of injustice are as follows:

a. Ignorance: Sometimes ignorance causes injustice. But this does not apply to God, who is above all defects such as ignorance and whose knowledge is infinite.

b. Fear: Sometimes it is fear which is the cause of injustice. For example, one strong power is scared of another strong power who can become his rival or enemy. But the Almighty Allah has no one as His rival. Everything is His creation and completely dependent on him.

c. Wants: Sometimes the cause of injustice is one's sense of deprivation and thus from a psychological point of view one feels obliged to meet his needs and fulfil his wants. But God has no needs.

d. Meanness: Sometimes it is due to inner meanness that some people oppress others or when they see the deprived and oppressed people, they derive pleasure in seeing them so4 But God is benevolent.

As the above characteristics cannot be attributed to God, an infinite being must therefore be free of all these characteristics, and nothing is hidden from his divine knowledge.

2. Evil is necessary for the greater good. This argument is used to justify and explain that a world with greater good and a little evil is better than a world with no good at all. Also, according to this argument, God made this world in the best and excellent manner possible.

3. Man’s freedom is the cause of evil.

4. Evil is a negative thing. Man has free will and has the ability to be good or bad, humanist or tyrannical.

And thats how we Are.
Did I answer you question yet?

Why didn't god create a universe free of ignorance, fear, wants, meanness, evil and freedom that is attachwd to evil?

God could have created any world he wanted right?

He created a universe in which time only goes forward from.a human perspective.

Why not tye one I described above?

Why did he not?

 

[Tuangoma]

Why didn't god create a universe free of ignorance, fear wants, meanness, evil and freedom without evil?

God could have created any world he wanted right?

Why did he not?

That question you need to ask GOD if you can.I am not hear to answer on behalf of GOD.

If He choose to Create the World that way who do you think you are to question HIM?

You have No valid question what so ever,

The Original Question about Problem Evil has the explanation above.

Try to think a little bit before asking.

 

[Kiranga]

That question you need to ask GOD if you can.I am not hear to answer on behalf of GOD.

If He choose to Create the World that way who do you think you are to question HIM?

You have No valid question what so ever,

The Original Question about Problem Evil has the explanation above.

Try to think a little bit before asking.

Hahahaha,

Basically you are saying "I don't know jack about this god I claim so much".

Duh.

Sasa kama qewe muumini humjui mungu wako, unategemea utanishawishi mimi nisiye muumini kweli?

The original questionnis, why did god create this world with evil.if he was capable of. Reating an infinite number of worlds without evil.

Which you have categorically said that you do not kbow the answer to, and that I should ask god.

A god I do not believe in.

This is further evidence that this god does not exist.

 

[Tuangoma]

Hahahaha,

Basically you are saying "I don't know jack about this god I claim so much".

Duh.

Sasa kama qewe muumini humjui mungu wako, unategemea utanishawishi mimi nisiye muumini kweli?

You start with colonial language you need to finish with it.

I repeat again moron.!
I am not here to convince you or any scumbags to believe what I believe.

I am her to reply to those garbage point you have made to REJECT the Existence of God.

You are not good on this love!

You need to study a LOT MORE to come here and try again.

You are nothing but an arrogant individual who have identity crisis.

You dont know who you are, and your not sure if you are either an atheist or a lost horny mule who is looking for companion for pleasure.

Make up your mind love before its too late.

 

[Kiranga]

You start with colonial language you need to finish with it.

I repeat again moron.!
I am not here to convince you or any scumbags to believe what I believe.

I am her to reply to those garbage point you have made to REJECT the Existence of God.

You are not good on this love!

You need to study a LOT MORE to come here and try again.

You are nothing but an arrogant individual who have identity crisis.

You dont know who you are, and your not sure if you are either an atheist or a lost horny mule who is looking for companion for pleasure.

Make up your mind love before its too late.

Can you prove that this godhead exists?

Where is your answer to the peoblem of evil?

 

[Tuangoma]

Can you prove that this godhead exists?

Where is your answer to the peoblem od evil?

I can't read filipinos.

In English please!

 

[Kiranga]

I can't read filipinos.

In English please!

Hahaaaaa.

Na bado.

Mpaka kiswahili utasema huwezi kusoma.

 

[introvert]

Seat belt on please!

Buckled up.

This is the Question most Atheist will ask.

Then answer it.

If God is Just, why is there so much Evil?

Why?

There are many people who suffer from anxiety and pain in their daily existence, which may seem to make it implausible to argue that a loving Creator exists.

A loving creator that has power to stop all the suffering. Why isn't this creator not stopping the suffering once and for all?

What is the beauty in Cancer?

If you had the powers to stop Cancer, wouldn't you stop it?

One can understand that a perfectly loving God must abolish all pain.

Obviously!

Why allow pain to people you love unconditionally?

The simplified thinking is that if He cannot free mankind from their suffering, He is not perfectly loving and omnipotent.

How do you know this God is a He? Not a "She" or "It"?

If he cannot get rid of the evil, either he cannot, does not care or does not exist. Pick one.

If we assume God is omniscient, omnipotent, and has perfectly created the world, then why are there catastrophes like death, war, earthquakes, poverty, hunger, and bitter conditions of life?

Why?

This therefore implies that perhaps God is not powerful or God created evils such as catastrophes by accident, therefore implying He is not all knowing or finally God made evil on purpose and He does not want to destroy evil.

Touche!

Traditionally there are many different ways of addressing and responding to this dilemma:

1. God is omniscient, omnipotent and perfect, and justice is part of perfection and omniscience; hence, God is just.

Where is justice in Cancer??

According to Qara'ati, the causes of injustice are as follows:

a. Ignorance: Sometimes ignorance causes injustice.

Sometimes, means not all the time. Therefore, according to your own answer, there are other times that injustice is caused by something else other than ignorance.

If I may ask, who created ignorance?

But this does not apply to God, who is above all defects such as ignorance and whose knowledge is infinite.

How do you know this does not apply to God?

Infinite knowledge means he knows what will happen tomorrow.

If you knew there is going to be an ethnic war tomorrow, would you stop it?

b. Fear: Sometimes it is fear which is the cause of injustice. For example, one strong power is scared of another strong power who can become his rival or enemy. But the Almighty Allah has no one as His rival. Everything is His creation and completely dependent on him.

His creation is flawed. Why create an imperfect system (fear, ignorance as you mention) and expect perfection out of it?

c. Wants: Sometimes the cause of injustice is one's sense of deprivation and thus from a psychological point of view one feels obliged to meet his needs and fulfil his wants. But God has no needs.

Has no needs? Really?

Doesn't this God want you to pray and follow whatever garbage he/she/it tells you?

Aren't those needs?

d. Meanness: Sometimes it is due to inner meanness that some people oppress others or when they see the deprived and oppressed people, they derive pleasure in seeing them so4 But God is benevolent.

Who created this madness?

Who created these people who are mad?

As the above characteristics cannot be attributed to God, an infinite being must therefore be free of all these characteristics, and nothing is hidden from his divine knowledge.

How can the above not be attributed to God if all of the above is God's creation?

You create ignorance and you do not want it to be attributed to you?

GTFOH

2. Evil is necessary for the greater good.

What is the greater good in cancer, wars and injustices in this world?

Can you hear yourself?

What is the greater good for a kid bombed in a beach in Gaza.

Are you a fanatic?

This argument is used to justify and explain that a world with greater good and a little evil is better than a world with no good at all.

How in the world can evil be good?

Also, according to this argument, God made this world in the best and excellent manner possible.

Look around you.

3. Man's freedom is the cause of evil.

God is the cause of evil. God created evil.

Kwa kudra za Allah, means we actually don't have freedom.

4. Evil is a negative thing.

Evil is a negative thing that is necessary. Quite a flawed design.

Man has free will and has the ability to be good or bad, humanist or tyrannical.

How can one have freewill if life is predetermined?

And thats how we Are.

Did I answer you question yet?

Not a single bit.

 

[introvert]

Hahaaaaa.

Na bado.

Mpaka kiswahili utasema huwezi kusoma.

Huyu jamaa anakuambia evil is necessary for a greater good.

This is his answer to the problem of evil.

Mtu yupo tayari kuvaa upofu wa aina yoyote ilimaradi tu asichafue anachoamini.

 

[Kiranga]

Huyu jamaa anakuambia evil is necessary for a greater good.

This is his answer to the problem of evil.

Mtu yupo tayari kuvaa upofu wa aina yoyote ilimaradi tu asichafue anachoamini.

Hapo hajajibu swali.

Mungu alishindwa kuumba ulimwengu ambao hauna evil?

Ulimwengu ambao evil is not necessary for a greater good?

Deus ex machina!

 

[introvert]

I feel sorry for your mum! She must be in a great loss to have a girl like you.

Why do you use "girl" to portray weakness and demean someone?

And why do you use God as a "He" and not a "She"?

Are you not a bunch of sexist ignoramous?

 

[Tuangoma]

Hahaaaaa.

Na bado.

Mpaka kiswahili utasema huwezi kusoma.

"True rebels hate their own rebellion. They know by experience that it is not a cool and glamorous lifestyle; it takes a courageous fo.ol to say things that have not been said and to do things that have not been done"

And Kiranga I praise you for that .

But
It is better to be a human being dissatisfied than a pig satisfied; better to be Socrates dissatisfied than a fool satisfied. And if the fool, or the pig, is of a different opinion, it is only because they only know their own side of the question.

 

[Kiranga]

"True rebels hate their own rebellion. They know by experience that it is not a cool and glamorous lifestyle; it takes a courageous fo.ol to say things that have not been said and to do things that have not been done"

And Kiranga I praise you for that .

But
It is better to be a human being dissatisfied than a pig satisfied; better to be Socrates dissatisfied than a fool satisfied. And if the fool, or the pig, is of a different opinion, it is only because they only know their own side of the question.

Why did your god allow evil in the world this all capable, all loving godhead created?

 

[Tuangoma]

"your arrogance questions".

Hilarious.

An all knowing, all capable all loving godhead creating such a piece of shyt as yourself would be the height of contradictory cruelty.

Why do you use "girl" to portray weakness and demean someone?

And why do you use God as a "He" and not a "She"?

Are you not a bunch of sexist ignoramous?

Read what your fellow uneducated Atheist wrote.

That sounds like a Girl who lost her boyfriend in alcohol disputes!

Thats why I used the Title "SHE"!

 

[Kiranga]

Read what your fellow uneducated Atheist wrote.

That sounds like a Girl who lost her boyfriend in alcohol disputes!

Thats why I used the Title "SHE"!

This does not prove that god exists.

Furthermore, it doesn't answer the question of evil.

The two are my major concerns far and above all else at this point.

 

[Tuangoma]

Let me ask you this.

If" and I use if" for reason here.

IF this Planet is Exactly 100% made or happen to be the way You want with NO SINGLE EVIL ON IT.

Will that be sufficient to make you BELIEVE IN GOD?

 

[introvert]

Read what your fellow uneducated Atheist wrote.

That sounds like a Girl who lost her boyfriend in alcohol disputes!

Thats why I used the Title "SHE"!

You are not making any sense.

 

[Tuangoma]

You are not making any sense.

Its a struggle to try to make sense to someone who BELIEVES in one thing but choose NOT to believe in others!