Complete heart transplant; rethink your faith!

[Ishmael]

Wakuu kama nyie mnanipa nguvu ya kuendelea, hata pale wendawazimu wanapoonekana kutawala.

Ninashangaa sana kuona watu wa level ya "ukuu wa chuo" hawaelewi basic relativity.

Then again, it depends on what kind of chuo.

Ghettolicious

 

[Lisa Valentine]

Kiranga,

Asking about where intelligent of God came from is very stumpy but of course is the better way to try to clash and escape but lets go through it a bit. Nisamehe tu kama nimeingilia but I guess you are okay with it.

If intelligence must come from intelligence, where did gids intelligence come from?

You mean God I suppose, we believe God is forever existed intelligent or for your satisfaction his intelligent came from thyself. I have used word "believe" because that where we stand for just like you could have say you theorize about big bang or multiuniverse etc.

Which intelligence gave rise to god's intelligence?

Answered above I suppose. Let me avoid repetition

And if god's intelligence was caused by some external factor, is that god really a god or just a highly complex being?

Not from external source. He is the source. And by the way does it matter if God is highly complex being or "really God"? What is the meaning of the two for you? Whatever he is it doesn't take away our definition that it is God since that is what we as humans identify him on whatever he is either a force or being or beam of light (no one has seen him) but the most important for us he is conscious and has personality. He has personality that is why he created the universe for a purpose, anything that has a purpose then has a personality.

And if god did not get his intelligence from an external factor, is it really true that intelligence must come from intelligence?

Yes it is but for him it is "exceptional circumstances".

Kiranga, I think you recognize that even in science there are exceptions and some physics laws and others might not work out the same in other complex environment. For example in subatomic world, or even in the middle of the black hole. In subatomic world, the smallest particles behave totally different from the laws of physics that we know and take for granted in normal context. For example the observer-effect; when the particle changes when they are observed, and the particles can be at two different places at the same time. That means when comes to the subatomic world many laws including the law of gravity totally breaks down.

In the center of the black hole basic laws of physics guiding the arrangement of matter is clashed and even the gravity fails and light cannot come out. Isnt it?

Now you tell me why there is exceptional in subatomic world where the physics laws on normal circumstance do not apply? If they would we would have been having one person being at the two different places at the same, well electrons does it, photons does it…

Then you should explain to me why you set your questions and assumptions based on the limited nature of the same world we are in? You should realize God is above that? He is not bound by our physics laws, he is far greater than that, (Remember there is exceptional circumstances huh?) Even string theory suggests extra dimensions than the ones we know, more than 13 and lets not go there, strange things are suggested mathematically to happen in string theory not even single law of normal world would apply.

The concept of something must be created by something has limits, We shouldn't assume through only our levels of knowing and maybe experience (and according to the laws that apply to us), but for God all those laws work totally differently. He set the laws. The tiny part of knowledge which is start to be revealed scientists that there are exceptions which they didn't know, is the sign that the power above is far greater and is not bounded by general relativity, strings theory or super symmetry theory.

Thanks

 

[Kiranga]

Kiranga,

Asking about where intelligent of God came from is very stumpy but of course is the better way to try to clash and escape but lets go through it a bit. Nisamehe tu kama nimeingilia but I guess you are okay with it.



You mean God I suppose, we believe God is forever existed intelligent or for your satisfaction his intelligent came from thyself. I have used word “believe” because that where we stand for just like you could have say you theorize about big bang or multiuniverse etc.



Answered above I suppose. Let me avoid repetition



Not from external source. He is the source. And by the way does it matter if God is highly complex being or “really God”? What is the meaning of the two for you? Whatever he is it doesn't take away our definition that it is God since that is what we as humans identify him on whatever he is either a force or being or beam of light (no one has seen him) but the most important for us he is conscious and has personality. He has personality that is why he created the universe for a purpose, anything that has a purpose then has a personality.



Yes it is but for him it is “exceptional circumstances”.

Kiranga, I think you recognize that even in science there are exceptions and some physics laws and others might not work out the same in other complex environment. For example in subatomic world, or even in the middle of the black hole. In subatomic world, the smallest particles behave totally different from the laws of physics that we know and take for granted in normal context. For example the observer-effect; when the particle changes when they are observed, and the particles can be at two different places at the same time. That means when comes to the subatomic world many laws including the law of gravity totally breaks down.

In the center of the black hole basic laws of physics guiding the arrangement of matter is clashed and even the gravity fails and light cannot come out. Isnt it?

Now you tell me why there is exceptional in subatomic world where the physics laws on normal circumstance do not apply? If they would we would have been having one person being at the two different places at the same, well electrons does it, photons does it…

Then you should explain to me why you set your questions and assumptions based on the limited nature of the same world we are in? You should realize God is above that? He is not bound by our physics laws, he is far greater than that, (Remember there is exceptional circumstances huh?) Even string theory suggests extra dimensions than the ones we know, more than 13 and lets not go there, strange things are suggested mathematically to happen in string theory not even single law of normal world would apply.

The concept of something must be created by something has limits, We shouldn't assume through only our levels of knowing and maybe experience (and according to the laws that apply to us), but for God all those laws work totally differently. He set the laws. The tiny part of knowledge which is start to be revealed scientists that there are exceptions which they didn't know, is the sign that the power above is far greater and is not bounded by general relativity, strings theory or super symmetry theory.

Thanks

Then the notion that intelligence needs to come from intelligence is hokum.

Exceptional.circumstances need ezceptional evidence.

So far you are tapping for tye benefit of doubtbdue to exceptional circumstances without giving exceptional evidence.

At this rate, you are bound to rest all your reasoning and argument with a simple "god works in mysterious way".

Which is really another way of saying, I don't know this shyt, I am just making it up as I go along and whatever I can't grasp I just toss under the rug of the mystery of god.

Now that is not the way to go.

Science does not know all, but at least it admits to not knowing all.

Religion does.not know all either and claims the answe to all questions, emphatically and ultimately, is god.

 

[kaka km]

Wakuu kama nyie mnanipa nguvu ya kuendelea, hata pale wendawazimu wanapoonekana kutawala.

1.Ninashangaa sana kuona watu wa level ya "ukuu wa chuo" hawaelewi basic relativity.

2.Then again, it depends on what kind of chuo.

1.Kuwa na level ya ukuu wa chuo haimaanishi lazima uwe unajua basics za relativity,sio lazima na pia inaweza ikawa sio muhimu kwa huyo mwenye elim ya kiwango cha ukuu wa chuo. Kwani umeambiwa kila aliesoma lazima asome basics za relativity?. I dont see a point here.

2. Chuo chochote kile,sio lazima isipokua tu kiwe chuo mahususi kwa mambo hayo. Again i dont see a point here.

 

[Kiranga]

1.Kuwa na level ya ukuu wa chuo haimaanishi lazima uwe unajua basics za relativity,sio lazima na pia inaweza ikawa sio muhimu kwa huyo mwenye elim ya kiwango cha ukuu wa chuo. Kwani umeambiwa kila aliesoma lazima asome basics za relativity?. I dont see a point here.

2. Chuo chochote kile,sio lazima isipokua tu kiwe chuo mahususi kwa mambo hayo. Again i dont see a point here.

I guess you did not read/ understand item 2 of the post you quoted.

It said the gist of thesame thing you said, succinctly.

Mtu anaweza kuwa mkuu wa chuo cha kupika mataptap Uwanja wa Fisi vilevile.

I mentioned that implicitly.

 

[Lisa Valentine]

Then the notion that intelligence needs to come from intelligence is hokum.

Exceptional.circumstances need ezceptional evidence.

So far you are tapping for tye benefit of doubtbdue to exceptional circumstances without giving exceptional evidence.

At this rate, you are bound to rest all your reasoning and argument with a simple "god works in mysterious way".

Which is really another way of saying, I don't know this shyt, I am just making it up as I go along and whatever I can't grasp I just toss under the rug of the mystery of god.

Now that is not the way to go.

Science does not know all, but at least it admits to not knowing all.

Religion does.not know all either and claims the answe to all questions, emphatically and ultimately, is god.

Let's sort the buyers from the flyers, and the needy from the greedy, we will stuck on the merry-go-round by applying science measures to disprove spiritual belief just as we could use spiritual belief to disprove science, unfair grounds. soccer versus golf by golf rules.

As long as you approve exception exist on some circumstance, be fair and take it as a theory (if it makes you feel better as scientist or atheist) and we will take it as belief (because we believe). Asking for evidence for unmeasurable on your scientific standard is enigma.

If you can't see value of your own canons, that surely does apply, you're not up here shopping. You're up here shoplifting.

 

[Kiranga]

:I

Let's sort the buyers from the flyers, and the needy from the greedy, we will stuck on the merry-go-round by applying science measures to disprove spiritual belief just as we could use spiritual belief to disprove science, unfair grounds. soccer versus golf by golf rules.

As long as you approve exception exist on some circumstance, be fair and take it as a theory (if it makes you feel better as scientist or atheist) and we will take it as belief (because we believe). Asking for evidence for unmeasurable on your scientific standard is enigma.

If you can't see value of your own canons, that surely does apply, you're not up here shopping. You're up here shoplifting.

Theories are a dime a dozen, basically anything you can make up, however fanciful, is a theory.

Evidence supported theories are invaluable. They converge towards knowledge by weeding out the chaff (is there an etymologically common root for the English "chaff" and the swahili "chafu" ? ) from the rice, the bs from the truth.

You talked about my canons, I will keep to that end of the stick, sonce you mentioned it.

Where is your evidence that god exists?

Evidence is a big part of my canon.

 

[Lisa Valentine]

:I

Theories are a dime a dozen, basically anything you can make up, however fanciful, is a theory.

Evidence supported theories are invaluable. They converge towards knowledge by weeding out the chaff (is there an etymologically common root for the English "chaff" and the swahili "chafu" ? ) from the rice, the bs from the truth.

You talked about my canons, I will keep to that end of the stick, sonce you mentioned it.

Where is your evidence that god exists?

Evidence is a big part of my canon.

Evidence: Me, you and your papa, we exist as his creation, by papa I elicit the begetter of offspring; male parent, nothing to do with swahili moulded appellation for pope.

 

[Ishmael]

Kiranga,

Asking about where intelligent of God came from is very stumpy but of course is the better way to try to clash and escape but lets go through it a bit. Nisamehe tu kama nimeingilia but I guess you are okay with it.



You mean God I suppose, we believe God is forever existed intelligent or for your satisfaction his intelligent came from thyself. I have used word "believe" because that where we stand for just like you could have say you theorize about big bang or multiuniverse etc.



Answered above I suppose. Let me avoid repetition



Not from external source. He is the source. And by the way does it matter if God is highly complex being or "really God"? What is the meaning of the two for you? Whatever he is it doesn't take away our definition that it is God since that is what we as humans identify him on whatever he is either a force or being or beam of light (no one has seen him) but the most important for us he is conscious and has personality. He has personality that is why he created the universe for a purpose, anything that has a purpose then has a personality.



Yes it is but for him it is "exceptional circumstances".

Kiranga, I think you recognize that even in science there are exceptions and some physics laws and others might not work out the same in other complex environment. For example in subatomic world, or even in the middle of the black hole. In subatomic world, the smallest particles behave totally different from the laws of physics that we know and take for granted in normal context. For example the observer-effect; when the particle changes when they are observed, and the particles can be at two different places at the same time. That means when comes to the subatomic world many laws including the law of gravity totally breaks down.

In the center of the black hole basic laws of physics guiding the arrangement of matter is clashed and even the gravity fails and light cannot come out. Isnt it?

Now you tell me why there is exceptional in subatomic world where the physics laws on normal circumstance do not apply? If they would we would have been having one person being at the two different places at the same, well electrons does it, photons does it…

Then you should explain to me why you set your questions and assumptions based on the limited nature of the same world we are in? You should realize God is above that? He is not bound by our physics laws, he is far greater than that, (Remember there is exceptional circumstances huh?) Even string theory suggests extra dimensions than the ones we know, more than 13 and lets not go there, strange things are suggested mathematically to happen in string theory not even single law of normal world would apply.

The concept of something must be created by something has limits, We shouldn't assume through only our levels of knowing and maybe experience (and according to the laws that apply to us), but for God all those laws work totally differently. He set the laws. The tiny part of knowledge which is start to be revealed scientists that there are exceptions which they didn't know, is the sign that the power above is far greater and is not bounded by general relativity, strings theory or super symmetry theory.

Thanks

Let's sort the buyers from the flyers, and the needy from the greedy, we will stuck on the merry-go-round by applying science measures to disprove spiritual belief just as we could use spiritual belief to disprove science, unfair grounds. soccer versus golf by golf rules.

As long as you approve exception exist on some circumstance, be fair and take it as a theory (if it makes you feel better as scientist or atheist) and we will take it as belief (because we believe). Asking for evidence for unmeasurable on your scientific standard is enigma.

If you can't see value of your own canons, that surely does apply, you're not up here shopping. You're up here shoplifting.

 

[Mkuu wa chuo]

I guess you did not read/ understand item 2 of the post you quoted.

It said the gist of thesame thing you said, succinctly.

Mtu anaweza kuwa mkuu wa chuo cha kupika mataptap Uwanja wa Fisi vilevile.

I mentioned that implicitly.

Dah...!

 

[Free ideas]

I guess you did not read/ understand item 2 of the post you quoted.

It said the gist of thesame thing you said, succinctly.

Mtu anaweza kuwa mkuu wa chuo cha kupika mataptap Uwanja wa Fisi vilevile.

I mentioned that implicitly.

Hahahahah!,mkuu Kiranga mataptap ndo manini?.Cc kule kwetu zamani tulikuwa tunaita Gongo (pombe) matpatap.Nimechaka sana.

 

[Ishmael]

Evidence: Me, you and your papa, we exist as his creation, by papa I elicit the begetter of offspring; male parent, nothing to do with swahili moulded appellation for pope.

Excellent my dear Lisa Valentine

 

[Ishmael]

1.Kuwa na level ya ukuu wa chuo haimaanishi lazima uwe unajua basics za relativity,sio lazima na pia inaweza ikawa sio muhimu kwa huyo mwenye elim ya kiwango cha ukuu wa chuo. Kwani umeambiwa kila aliesoma lazima asome basics za relativity?. I dont see a point here.

2. Chuo chochote kile,sio lazima isipokua tu kiwe chuo mahususi kwa mambo hayo. Again i dont see a point here.

Umemshika pabaya yule dada. Anyways, labda ataanza kujifuna kuwa kuna elimu nyingi ambazo hazitumii hio relativity. Kijana umemfanya kitu mbaya sana huyu Mpinga Mungu. WENYE AKILI WAMEKUSOMA.

 

[Eiyer]

Wakuu kama nyie mnanipa nguvu ya kuendelea, hata pale wendawazimu wanapoonekana kutawala.

Ninashangaa sana kuona watu wa level ya "ukuu wa chuo" hawaelewi basic relativity.

Then again, it depends on what kind of chuo.

1;"Wakuu kama nyie mnanipa nguvu sana hata pale mwendawazimu wanapoonekana kutawala"
2;"Nashangaa sana huyu mtu kutembea bila nguo"
3;"Inategemea kama ana akili timamu"

Kama aliyetoa sentensi no1 ni mzima kiakili asingeshangaa mtu huyo huyo kutembea bila nguo [si ni mwendawazimu?]
Lakini pia kama mtu huyo huyo anashangaa halafu anakuja tena kusema "inategemea" inaonesha kushangaa kwake kulikuwa kumesababishwa na tatizo lake la kufikiri

Kama alijua "inategemea" asingeshangaa
Kama alijua "huyu' ni mwendawazimu asingeshangaa huyo mwendawazimu kutembea bila nguo

Kaazi kweli kweli!

 

[Lisa Valentine]

Hahahahah!,mkuu Kiranga mataptap ndo manini?.Cc kule kwetu zamani tulikuwa tunaita Gongo (pombe) matpatap.Nimechaka sana.

One guy posted in this particular forum a topic with title "Tanzania among Top 10 Countries with the Lowest Population IQ".

Here you ask a question;

"mkuu Kiranga mataptap ndo manini?"

This means you doesn't know what the word mentioned means, but strangely in the second sentence you come up with the answer;

"Cc kule kwetu zamani tulikuwa tunaita Gongo (pombe) matpatap."

The last sentence you confirm actually you did understand what the world means that's why you laughed, Although the world you use to decribe that you found it funny is confusing;

"Nimechaka sana"

We should assume you mean "you laughed a lot" because you started your sentence with;

"Hahahahah!"

Here what is left to fit on your post is; "Nimecheka sana, hahahah!" period, the rest is jargon. I had my eyes closed on repeatedly spelling errors by the shade of "typos". You freaks and geeks got long way to go.

 

[Kiranga]

1;"Wakuu kama nyie mnanipa nguvu sana hata pale mwendawazimu wanapoonekana kutawala"
2;"Nashangaa sana huyu mtu kutembea bila nguo"
3;"Inategemea kama ana akili timamu"

Kama aliyetoa sentensi no1 ni mzima kiakili asingeshangaa mtu huyo huyo kutembea bila nguo [si ni mwendawazimu?]
Lakini pia kama mtu huyo huyo anashangaa halafu anakuja tena kusema "inategemea" inaonesha kushangaa kwake kulikuwa kumesababishwa na tatizo lake la kufikiri

Kama alijua "inategemea" asingeshangaa
Kama alijua "huyu' ni mwendawazimu asingeshangaa huyo mwendawazimu kutembea bila nguo

Kaazi kweli kweli!

"The test of a first-rate intelligence is the ability to hold two opposing ideas in mind at the same time and still retain the ability to function."

F. Scott Fitzgerald

 

[Eiyer]

"The test of a first-rate intelligence is the ability to hold two opposing ideas in mind at the same time and still retain the ability to function."

F. Scott Fitzgerald

Do you know what is "contradiction" and why is "contradiction" and not something else?

 

[Kiranga]

Do you know what is "contradiction" and why is "contradiction" and not something else?

Contra diction is the opposite of diction. It is contra because it negates.

Essential Hegelian dialectics.

 

[Eiyer]

Contra diction is the opposite of diction. It is contra because it negates.

Essential Hegelian dialectics.

I hope you get "it"!

 

[Kiranga]

I hope you get "it"!

Like Einstein against Bohr.

Since TVZ and "Mapinduzi Daima".

Before ITV.