Cost comparison SGR Kenya vs SGR Tanzania

Cost comparison SGR Kenya vs SGR Tanzania

There are specifications for each new every rail track for Uganda, Kenya, Ethiopia n Tanzania that i posted before n according to Ugandan govt explanations.
With the same rail, passenger trains have done a maximum of 148km/h accurately doing average speed as calculate at 120, Nairobi to Emali 240km in 2hrs. Freight has done average speeds of 80Km/h with maximum of 112km/h so all you are saying are theories, what we are saying is the reality!

So wait for those from Dar is slum to Moro to try out your physics
 
With the same rail, passenger trains have done a maximum of 148km/h accurately doing average speed as calculate at 120, Nairobi to Emali 240km in 2hrs. Freight has done average speeds of 80Km/h with maximum of 112km/h so all you are saying are theories, what we are saying is the reality!

So wait for those from Dar is slum to Moro to try out your physics
Haha if the max speed was meant to be at 80km/h sipati picha what will be the test results for a rail track meant to travel at 160km/h...that means ours will be clocking 200 km/h.
 
Haha if the max speed was meant to be at 80km/h sipati picha what will be the test results for a rail track meant to travel at 160km/h...that means ours will be clocking 200 km/h.
You dont understand 80Km/H is the average speeds, you factor in stops in time and divide with the distance. Freight DF8B can do upto 120Km/h, DF11G can do upto 160KM/h. 120km/h is the average speeds
 
You dont understand 80Km/H is the average speeds, you factor in stops in time and divide with the distance. Freight DF8B can do upto 120Km/h, DF11G can do upto 160KM/h. 120km/h is the average speeds
Uache ujinga subiri when full loaded then utoe evidence ya hiyo 120km/h. The track design on ur side can not support that!
 
Uache ujinga subiri when full loaded then utoe evidence ya hiyo 120km/h. The track design on ur side can not support that!
You are being delusional, sasa unapingana nini? Unataka mambo yafanyike kama wewe unavyodhani akilini mwako!? Ajabu hii!!! Hata ukatae ukubali utachange nini?? Tests have been done for one and a half months now, people have used the trains and proven what am saying, so what are you arguing about??? Have you been in Kenya supervising the construction or you just cant believe?? If not??? Stop being foolish and argue like a person with facts
 
You are being delusional, sasa unapingana nini? Unataka mambo yafanyike kama wewe unavyodhani akilini mwako!? Ajabu hii!!! Hata ukatae ukubali utachange nini?? Tests have been done for one and a half months now, people have used the trains and proven what am saying, so what are you arguing about??? Have you been in Kenya supervising the construction or you just cant believe?? If not??? Stop being foolish and argue like a person with facts
So u r conversant than railway websites that have indicated 80km/h?
 
So u r conversant than railway websites that have indicated 80km/h?
What are you talking about? Are you not being told that this are things already proven in one and a half months?? Websites for what when we have seen it by ourselves?? Man are you even serious??
 
You saw the curvature in your dreams or what? Have you even seen the designing of the SGR Kenya? You mean you know more physics than those guys who are building SGR Kenya? Then Build the one from Dar is Slum to Morogoro because it seems Bongolalas have their money and brains too!! No need of Merkez
has theirs even started, don't compare Kenyan sgr with imaginary things
 
Can Tanzanians build a railway first and start saying theirs is superior, all I know is the two railways to be compared here are Ethiopian and Kenyas, period.
 
The president will have massive problems while trying to electrify the SGR

Cosmas Ronno
Tue 25th Apr 2017 10:54:34am

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The Standard Gauge Railway

After the disappointing news that Kenya's SGR is not going to support high speed rail the government has moved with speed to put in place plans to electrify the Mombasa-Nairobi line.

What is a high speed rail and what are the requirements for its operation? The International Union of Railways (IUC) defines high-speed rail as that capable of 250 km/h or more. To get a train to move at these speeds safely and efficiently is a technological challenge that has been developed, improved and continues to be perfected for close to 110 years now. High-speed rail must be powered by reliable electricity supply if high speeds have to be achieved. In general electric trains can be powered by direct current (DC) ranging from 750 to 3000 volts (V) or alternating current (AC) starting from 15000 to 25000 volts (i.e. 15 kV to 25 kV) and even higher.

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For the Mombasa-Nairobi SGR 25 kV supply would be ideal. Unlike diesel or steam locomotives electric locomotives have better traction (ability to make wheels roll rather than slide on the rails) hence better efficiency in power use. Supplying 25 kV electrical power to a rail network is a complex process requiring a set of separate sophisticated systems.

First there is an overhead supply system that delivers the 25 kV from a special transformer to a single hanging wire called a catenary (from Latin for chain) that acts as a 'live' wire. The return wire (earth) is the steel rail tracks. The catenary is supported by steel pylons spaced every 50 meters or so and is wired in a zigzag manner from pylon to pylon. Because the locomotive draws huge amounts of energy recharge substations are located every 20 km or so. This is because power supply decreases with distance from a recharge station due to loses caused by lengthy wires.

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The locomotive accesses this overhead electricity through a fold-able protruding device known as a pantograph. Contact between pantograph and catenary is made by a graphite rod (like that in a pencil) which is a good conductor of electricity and is also soft and smooth. The catenary moves in a zigzag manner so that the graphite rod is rubbed uniformly, to avoid formation of grooves that would cause sparking and loss of power to the locomotive.

The pantograph delivers the 25 kV power onto a transformer within the locomotive which steps down the voltages and supplies various power requirements to the whole train. The biggest consumers of power are the motors that drive the wheels of the locomotive. Power is also supplied to fans, lights, electronic controls, cooking ranges (yes, food is prepared on a train!) and so forth.

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High-speed trains also have auxiliary or standby diesel powered generators for emergencies at least to keep lights and other systems going on the rare occasion that overhead power fails. Some low speed or short distance electric trains and trams do not require overhead power but are fitted with diesel generators that supply electricity for traction.

Because of the very high voltages involved safety is the number priority of electrified rail systems. Even on low voltage (750 V DC) rail system safety is a big issue since a DC powered train can draw as much as 7000 amperes (A) of current. This is an incredibly large and dangerous current. Your average iron box draws 5 A at 250 V AC while a cooker with oven, grill and 4 plates all turned on draws a mere 30 A. Electrical materials used on these trains must therefor be of the very highest standards with respect to quality, reliability and robustness.

These quality standards must be applied right from the boarding platform, the actual rail line, the overhead power supply and throughout the entire train from the drivers cabin, the passenger section and the utility sections such as washing rooms, dining cabins etc. Electrical safety will be a challenge also in tunnels and overpasses where chances of trespassers being electrocuted is very high. And to prevent theft and pilferage the whole route may have to be fenced in with impenetrable barriers.

For smooth operation of a multi-train network signaling must be synchronized down to the nearest second and above all the overhead power supply must be 100% reliant. Power supply reliability is a product of dedication and work ethic on the part of personnel, and investment in quality technology on the part of government. These are two ingredients that have always been absent on the Kenyan scene. It cannot be achieved in a climate where politicians award themselves tenders while the general citizenry is only too happy to drain off transformer cooling oil and pass it off as cooking oil for cheap profits accompanied by lethal consequences.

Reliability in supply of power is achieved by integrating the generation capacity into one seamless auto-controlled system with adequate dedicated standby plants that kick-in instantly when an outage or interruption occurs anywhere in the network.

On this matter we are not alone. Practically every Sub-Saharan nation has a power system that is either tottering on the edge of collapse or in is such shambles as to be next to useless. Many oil producing nations (Nigeria, South Sudan, Gabon, Angola, Equatorial Guinea etc) have electrical power grids not worth writing home about.

African graduate students doing complex computer calculations requiring weeks of uninterruptible power always head to Europe or South Africa. South Africa has a power supply, admittedly supplemented by nuclear power, that works because African style corruption has not penetrated deep enough to affect efficiency: courtesy of its Apartheid History.

https://www.standardmedia.co.ke/ure...ve-problems-while-trying-to-electrify-the-sgr

MY TAKE
Moreover the infrastructure in place cannot support overheard electrical poles take example across those long brigdes n tunnels!
 
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The last batch under manufacture ready for 1st june
 
Damn proudly 80km/hr engines..[emoji115][emoji85] [emoji125]
Take a chill pill and wait for your own models,sisi zetu ziko tu sawa, since nyinyi mnaruka kutoka old locomotives to new generations ones mtajua hata japan ma china walipanda progressively
 
Take a chill pill and wait for your own models,sisi zetu ziko tu sawa, since nyinyi mnaruka kutoka old locomotives to new generations ones mtajua hata japan ma china walipanda progressively
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Take a chill pill and wait for your own models,sisi zetu ziko tu sawa, since nyinyi mnaruka kutoka old locomotives to new generations ones mtajua hata japan ma china walipanda progressively

They think a house is build from the roof to the foundation! Very funny guys, they used to say the locomotives were second hand, now it is dawning on them that this things are new and straight from the sufuria!!

Another truth will dawn on them in the coming 6 years when they start buying theirs!! I wonder where will Kenya be in six years?? 1000MW Lamu Power will be up and running, several resort cities up and running

These resort cities are the ones to be connected with high speed trains.

Imagine!! Why should you have a high speed train from Dar is Slum to Morogoro mashambani??? Does it even make sense??

Unakimbia nini toka shambani kwenda slum and toka slum kwenda shambani???

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Kisha una bullet train
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Ukienda Morogoro
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Surely Tanzanians must be a crazy lot
 
They think a house is build from the roof to the foundation! Very funny guys, they used to say the locomotives were second hand, now it is dawning on them that this things are new and straight from the sufuria!!

Another truth will dawn on them in the coming 6 years when they start buying theirs!! I wonder where will Kenya be in six years?? 1000MW Lamu Power will be up and running, several resort cities up and running

These resort cities are the ones to be connected with high speed trains.

Imagine!! Why should you have a high speed train from Dar is Slum to Morogoro mashambani??? Does it even make sense??

Unakimbia nini toka shambani kwenda slum and toka slum kwenda shambani???

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Ukienda Morogoro
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Surely Tanzanians must be a crazy lot
Atiii nn? Get to know value of ur money first before arguing on future projects..
That phase 1 then phase 2 to phase 5 all the way to Kigali, Kampala n Bujumbura.
 
Atiii nn? Get to know value of ur money first before arguing on future projects..

Am just being logical! Even to you, does it make sense? having a bullet train to Morogoro??? Just think independently??? Does it??

To make things worse it is not freight oriented, it will be carrying passengers from Dar to Morogoro? Does it make any economic sense to you? Really??
 
Am just being logical! Even to you, does it make sense? having a bullet train to Morogoro??? Just think independently??? Does it??

To make things worse it is not freight oriented, it will be carrying passengers from Dar to Morogoro? Does it make any economic sense to you? Really??
Hahah that Morogoro has Mikumi n Ruaha national parks, 2 large universities SUA n Mzumbe, a lor of ruby n other germstones mines n numerous factories aside Ifakara institutes plus having the most modern military airport n base in the region not to mention it is a food basket n connects Dar n official designate capital city Dodoma. Tell me about Nakuru... chang'aa shipment?
 
They think a house is build from the roof to the foundation! Very funny guys, they used to say the locomotives were second hand, now it is dawning on them that this things are new and straight from the sufuria!!

Another truth will dawn on them in the coming 6 years when they start buying theirs!! I wonder where will Kenya be in six years?? 1000MW Lamu Power will be up and running, several resort cities up and running

These resort cities are the ones to be connected with high speed trains.

Imagine!! Why should you have a high speed train from Dar is Slum to Morogoro mashambani??? Does it even make sense??

Unakimbia nini toka shambani kwenda slum and toka slum kwenda shambani???

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Kisha una bullet train
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Ukienda Morogoro
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Surely Tanzanians must be a crazy lot
crazy chaps😀
 
Am just being logical! Even to you, does it make sense? having a bullet train to Morogoro??? Just think independently??? Does it??

To make things worse it is not freight oriented, it will be carrying passengers from Dar to Morogoro? Does it make any economic sense to you? Really??

Acha kujitia ujinga, hivi wanafunzi wako ndio unawafunza huu ujinga? Ushaambiwa Dar-Moro ni awamu ya kwanza lakini hutaki kusikia. Who told you our project is not freight-oriented? Soma hapa chini kuhusu mradi na upunguze kukurupukia vitu usivyovifahamu.

Background – Dar es Salaam-Isaka-Kigali/Keza-Musongati Railway Project
 
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