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Cost comparison SGR Kenya vs SGR Tanzania
Cost comparison SGR Kenya vs SGR Tanzania
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Read UG Ministerial statement.
https://www.sgr.go.ug/sites/default...sterial_Statement_on_Parliamentary_Report.pdf
Your railways is equivalent to China class B. To quote " Class 2 will reduce investment cost but significantly increase operation & maintenance cost. This will lead to reduce traffic and hence longer repayment period".
You can see from pictures - that Kenya railways is of better standard than TZ. They say cheap is expensive in the long run...so as you deriding Kenya for making smart decision 1) going for Class A and 2) Diesel - you've chosen Ethiopia option and you'lll do maybe 10 times worse than Ethiopia...coz at least all the Djibouti cargo is Ethiopia bound.
And TZ rail is not continuously welded like Kenya - it it continuously welded for I think every 160-300ms.
The problem with most of Africa countries is either lack of capacity or respect for professionals. Kenya professionals - economist, engineers and architect - are very good - and people generally don't interfere with their work - they come at tail end - financial negotiations - to inject their 10% mark up.
But here is a Magufuli a chemistry teacher who thinks he knows everything. So like a little toddler - he'll be given option btw diesel & electric - he will pick electric - and then kaboom - you get class B way cheaper - and you can claim brownies points. These are technical areas best left to professionals.
https://www.sgr.go.ug/sites/default...sterial_Statement_on_Parliamentary_Report.pdf
Your railways is equivalent to China class B. To quote " Class 2 will reduce investment cost but significantly increase operation & maintenance cost. This will lead to reduce traffic and hence longer repayment period".
You can see from pictures - that Kenya railways is of better standard than TZ. They say cheap is expensive in the long run...so as you deriding Kenya for making smart decision 1) going for Class A and 2) Diesel - you've chosen Ethiopia option and you'lll do maybe 10 times worse than Ethiopia...coz at least all the Djibouti cargo is Ethiopia bound.
And TZ rail is not continuously welded like Kenya - it it continuously welded for I think every 160-300ms.
The problem with most of Africa countries is either lack of capacity or respect for professionals. Kenya professionals - economist, engineers and architect - are very good - and people generally don't interfere with their work - they come at tail end - financial negotiations - to inject their 10% mark up.
But here is a Magufuli a chemistry teacher who thinks he knows everything. So like a little toddler - he'll be given option btw diesel & electric - he will pick electric - and then kaboom - you get class B way cheaper - and you can claim brownies points. These are technical areas best left to professionals.
Geza Ulole
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Show me evidence Kenya SGR is continuously welded!
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You really like evidence.
SPECIAL REPORT: What Makes Uganda Standard Gauge Railway Costly?
It Class A. Ethiopia is Class B. That is similar to TZ - AREMA.
Welding for Class A is continuous. Class B is continous for 300 metres then jointed.
Class A generally involved a lot of earthwork because you need to keep the line straight and level --- while Class B - is more or less what you have in TAZARA or the old MGR - you can afford to meander around corners or have a little gradient here and there - hence it cheaper to construct.
Just check the damn pictures..kenya SGR has really high embankment even on flat land - TZ the rail is literally laid on the ground like the existing MGR. In fact because this is not really a greenfield project - you can afford to literally do what US did - just refurbish the existing line and make MGR a standard gauge.
SPECIAL REPORT: What Makes Uganda Standard Gauge Railway Costly?
It Class A. Ethiopia is Class B. That is similar to TZ - AREMA.
Welding for Class A is continuous. Class B is continous for 300 metres then jointed.
Class A generally involved a lot of earthwork because you need to keep the line straight and level --- while Class B - is more or less what you have in TAZARA or the old MGR - you can afford to meander around corners or have a little gradient here and there - hence it cheaper to construct.
Just check the damn pictures..kenya SGR has really high embankment even on flat land - TZ the rail is literally laid on the ground like the existing MGR. In fact because this is not really a greenfield project - you can afford to literally do what US did - just refurbish the existing line and make MGR a standard gauge.
Geza Ulole
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Show me continuous welded SGR on Kenyan project!
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Hivi nikijaza udongo ku level na niki chimba na kulevel to ground level which is better enough hapo?
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Physics imepita kushoto kwa hawa jamaa! Hii ya kwetu ni high speed and low operation cost haina sababu ya kuwa na gradient za ajabu!
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1) High speed rail is 200-300kms per hr plus. Your SGR at best will ran at 160kms.
2) The massive earthwork you see in Kenya SGR is not a decoration. High speed & heavy traffic on track lead to deformation & degradation of the ballast that leads to loss of track stability and high maintenance cost. Therefore you can avoid heavy investment cost now like Tanzania has done - with minimal earthwork - and pay later - a train running 160km per hour is not a joke.You can bet it will be tearing apart that cheap Turkish contraption. But considering there will be little if any traffic then you're probably fine.You will ran the trains at maybe 20-40kms and still get there.
3) Kenya SGR at best - esp Nairobi - Mombasa - will be sooon running more than 36 trains per days - 18 trains going either direction every 24hrs. That's a heavy load that degrade the rail pretty soon. Therefore investing in Class A rail with massive earthwork is imperative.
2) The massive earthwork you see in Kenya SGR is not a decoration. High speed & heavy traffic on track lead to deformation & degradation of the ballast that leads to loss of track stability and high maintenance cost. Therefore you can avoid heavy investment cost now like Tanzania has done - with minimal earthwork - and pay later - a train running 160km per hour is not a joke.You can bet it will be tearing apart that cheap Turkish contraption. But considering there will be little if any traffic then you're probably fine.You will ran the trains at maybe 20-40kms and still get there.
3) Kenya SGR at best - esp Nairobi - Mombasa - will be sooon running more than 36 trains per days - 18 trains going either direction every 24hrs. That's a heavy load that degrade the rail pretty soon. Therefore investing in Class A rail with massive earthwork is imperative.
You are a dimwit when it come to railways...1) High speed rail is 200-300kms per hr plus. Your SGR at best will ran at 160kms.
2) The massive earthwork you see in Kenya SGR is not a decoration. High speed & heavy traffic on track lead to deformation & degradation of the ballast that leads to loss of track stability and high maintenance cost. Therefore you can avoid heavy investment cost now like Tanzania has done - with minimal earthwork - and pay later - a train running 160km per hour is not a joke.You can bet it will be tearing apart that cheap Turkish contraption. But considering there will be little if any traffic then you're probably fine.You will ran the trains at maybe 20-40kms and still get there.
3) Kenya SGR at best - esp Nairobi - Mombasa - will be sooon running more than 36 trains per days - 18 trains going either direction every 24hrs. That's a heavy load that degrade the rail pretty soon. Therefore investing in Class A rail with massive earthwork is imperative.
Your area of expertise is grade 12 English
Ata hujui maana ya CWR!
And then you post pictures showing massive Chinese environmental degradation na kuziita massive earthworks!
Countries like China Japan, France, Italy etc have good railways but do not scar the environment the way Chinese prisoners are doing with your fossil SGR!
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If ur SGR is high quality, How did this happen?1) High speed rail is 200-300kms per hr plus. Your SGR at best will ran at 160kms.
2) The massive earthwork you see in Kenya SGR is not a decoration. High speed & heavy traffic on track lead to deformation & degradation of the ballast that leads to loss of track stability and high maintenance cost. Therefore you can avoid heavy investment cost now like Tanzania has done - with minimal earthwork - and pay later - a train running 160km per hour is not a joke.You can bet it will be tearing apart that cheap Turkish contraption. But considering there will be little if any traffic then you're probably fine.You will ran the trains at maybe 20-40kms and still get there.
3) Kenya SGR at best - esp Nairobi - Mombasa - will be sooon running more than 36 trains per days - 18 trains going either direction every 24hrs. That's a heavy load that degrade the rail pretty soon. Therefore investing in Class A rail with massive earthwork is imperative.
Even Before Launch, Sections of the SGR are Collapsing Due to The Rains (PHOTO)
By David Koech / Monday, 21 Nov 2016 06:54AM / 0 Comments / Tags: SGR
A section of a Standard Gauge Railway embankment has collapsed after heavy raining.
A picture showing the collapsed wall at an unidentified location has been circulating on social media this past weekend, leaving Kenyans worried about the quality of the work.
Transport Principal Secretary Irungu Nyakera however came out to assure that there’s nothing to worry about.
“The protection works is currently the main activity going on within SGR Mombasa to Nairobi. The rains came before everything was tied up and hence this is normal in any ongoing construction site,” he said in a statement to the media.
Kenya Railways reiterated the same on their Twitter handle adding that the contractor will ensure that the integrity of the work is beyond question.
The first phase of the multi-billion dollar project is expected to be complete in a few months, with operations commencing in June next year.
Even Before Launch, Sections of the SGR are Collapsing Due to The Rains (PHOTO)
Magonjwa Mtambuka
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Watasingizia wamelipuliwa na al shabaab.If ur SGR is high quality, How did this happen?
Even Before Launch, Sections of the SGR are Collapsing Due to The Rains (PHOTO)
By David Koech / Monday, 21 Nov 2016 06:54AM / 0 Comments / Tags: SGR
A section of a Standard Gauge Railway embankment has collapsed after heavy raining.
A picture showing the collapsed wall at an unidentified location has been circulating on social media this past weekend, leaving Kenyans worried about the quality of the work.
Transport Principal Secretary Irungu Nyakera however came out to assure that there’s nothing to worry about.
“The protection works is currently the main activity going on within SGR Mombasa to Nairobi. The rains came before everything was tied up and hence this is normal in any ongoing construction site,” he said in a statement to the media.
Kenya Railways reiterated the same on their Twitter handle adding that the contractor will ensure that the integrity of the work is beyond question.
The first phase of the multi-billion dollar project is expected to be complete in a few months, with operations commencing in June next year.
Even Before Launch, Sections of the SGR are Collapsing Due to The Rains (PHOTO)
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Ahsanteeeeeee, umenisaidia,,,, nimewauliza swali la kijinga tu, wewe ukijaza liudongo kutoka land level kupanda juu labda 1 meter na mimi niliyechimba kwenda chini 1 meter hivi nani yuko strong zaidi??? Utaskia ooh sjui balast sjui balast nn ss????
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If ur SGR is high quality, How did this happen?
Even Before Launch, Sections of the SGR are Collapsing Due to The Rains (PHOTO)
By David Koech / Monday, 21 Nov 2016 06:54AM / 0 Comments / Tags: SGR
A section of a Standard Gauge Railway embankment has collapsed after heavy raining.
A picture showing the collapsed wall at an unidentified location has been circulating on social media this past weekend, leaving Kenyans worried about the quality of the work.
Transport Principal Secretary Irungu Nyakera however came out to assure that there’s nothing to worry about.
“The protection works is currently the main activity going on within SGR Mombasa to Nairobi. The rains came before everything was tied up and hence this is normal in any ongoing construction site,” he said in a statement to the media.
Kenya Railways reiterated the same on their Twitter handle adding that the contractor will ensure that the integrity of the work is beyond question.
The first phase of the multi-billion dollar project is expected to be complete in a few months, with operations commencing in June next year.
Even Before Launch, Sections of the SGR are Collapsing Due to The Rains (PHOTO)
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Halafu kimtu tu toka kulala kinakuja kinaropoka eti low quality,,, wakoloni walifanya vitu vinavyopendeza kwa macho km vioo, radio na ndio wanavyowanyia nyinyi wakenya cement hadi kwenye wapita njia badala ya kuimarisha reli pale kati, amkeni bhanaView attachment 1001646
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Nlikuwa najiuliza Sana SGR itaingiaje Dar Port ..cause ile previous bridge ya Gerezani lilikuwa limebana nafasi sana kwa reli kupita ..with this new upcoming bridge kutakuwa na nafasi ya kutosha SGR kupita chini kwenda Darport...plus BRT ku cross kwa juu
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I can see they have installed the noise deflectors almost all the way, nice, lazima tulinde mazingira
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hio ni treni heavy duty ya mchina wanayotumia kusafirisha kokoto au vifaa vya ujenzi, wakimaliza ujenzi wanarudi nayo.... Ni kama vile tipper au cartapillar ikitumika na Kampuni kujenga barabara...