Uchaguzi 2020 Dr. Bashiru: Kama Membe anasema tatizo ni Urais agombee kwa chama chochote tukutane uwanjani

Uchaguzi 2020 Dr. Bashiru: Kama Membe anasema tatizo ni Urais agombee kwa chama chochote tukutane uwanjani

Gibborim said:
"First and foremost let us take the opportunity to correct one thing:
There is nothing like "a private candidate". That is a direct
translation from Kiswahili "mgombea binafsi". But the right
terminology is "an independent candidate", as Prof. Kabudi,
properly pointed out, and in this judgment we shall use that
terminology" Page 7 of The A.G Vs Rev Mtikila, Civil Case no 45 of 2009
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I get the message "The document can't be opened because it is corrupted or damaged".

Why is "Mgombea binafsi" right and "Private Candidate" not right?

The logic is the same.

The candidate is standing on his own without the party vehicles.

So far you are making an argument based on appeal to authority, not logic.

Just because a judge said a corporation is a person, in a specific legal case, that does not mean a corporation is a person.

I was reading yesterday that the Oxford English Dictionary has accepted Nigerian cintext English phrases. These people used Nigerian English (not to be confused with pidgin English) until Oxford accepted it.

Why do we think using Tanzanian context English such as "Private Candidate" is wrong?

Can't we have a jurisprudence that is peppered with and rooted in our own etymology?

I can argue "Independent Candidate" is not right. Doesn't that candidate need some sponsors? If the candidate need sponsors, he is deoendend on the sponsors, how can he be "Independent"?

Prof Kabudi said there is no such thing as a Private Candidate.

To the contrary, thwre is no such thing as an Independent Candidate.

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Kiranga said:
I get the message "The document can't be opened because it is corrupted or damaged".

Why is "Mgombea binafsi" right and "Private Candidate" not right?

The logic is the same.

The candidate is standing on his own without the party vehicles.

So far you are making an argument based on appeal to authority, not logic.

Just because a judge said a corporation is a person, in a specific legal case, that does not mean a corporation is a person.

I was reading yesterday that the Oxford English Dictionary has accepted Nigerian cintext English phrases. These people used Nigerian English (not to be confused with pidgin English) until Oxford accepted it.

Why do we think using Tanzanian context English such as "Private Candidate" is wrong?

Can't we have a jurisprudence that is peppered with and rooted in our own etymology?

I can argue "Independent Candidate" is not right. Doesn't that candidate need some sponsors? If the candidate need sponsors, he is deoendend on the sponsors, how can he be "Independent"?

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If this is the case : Then the phrase Independence of the Judiciary can be termed as Privacy of the Judiciary.

After all it's just semantics and the words can be used interchangeably.
 
Gibborim said:
If this is the case : Then the phrase Independence of the Judiciary can be termed as Privacy of the Judiciary.

After all it's just semantics and the words can be used interchangeably.
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Your argument would have been sound if I was equating Independence with Privacy.

I did no such thing.

Your logic is flawed.

You are forcing an equation when there is none in my argument.

Logical non sequitur.

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Kiranga said:
Your argument would have been sound if I was equating Independence with Privacy.

I did no such thing.

Your logic is flawed.

You are forcing an equation when there is none in my argument.

Logical non sequitur.

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I get it,
They can be used interchangeably
And you saw no difference at first place.
It's just logic and semantics after all.......
 
Nyani Ngabu said:
What does he even stand for?

Huyo lengo lake ni kuivuruga tu CCM from within.

Wenyewe wamemfukuza.

Aende kwingine akagombee...
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And he has failed from the on set. Ajibebe tu. Hana nguvu hizo anazofikiri Anazo kwenye Tanzania hii.
 
nokwenumuya said:
Katibu mkuu wa CCM amesema kama Membe anasema kilichomfukuzisha CCM ni nia yake ya kugombea urais basi agombee kupitia chama kingine na wakutane kwa debe.

VIDEO: Dk Bashiru asema kama tatizo urais tukutane na Membe
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Huyu anasema agombee kwa chama kingine wakutane kwenye debe, Yeye mwenyewe anajua kuwa vyama pinzani vimewekewa pin, pia serikali ya ccm inampango wakupitisha sheria ya kuwazuia watu waliohama chama kimoja kwenda kingine wasigombee nafasi yeyote ya uongozi. Sasa anaposema agombee wakati anajua wazi kuwa sheria itamkataza anamaanisha nini?

NB:
Ccm wanasema hakuna demokrasia kwa vyama pinzani, na mtu akitaka kugombea nafasi ya juu - Mwenyekiti, basi unyimwa nafasi hiyo. Sasa si afadhali kunyimwa kugombea ukabaki kuwa mwanachama kuliko uufukuzwa?
Wao wanafukuza kabisa.
 
Tuhuma ni kwako wewe Katibu pamoja na Mwenyekiti kwamba mmetumia Kura ya veto kumtimua mbombezi!!
 
Kiranga said:
I get the message "The document can't be opened because it is corrupted or damaged".

Why is "Mgombea binafsi" right and "Private Candidate" not right?

The logic is the same.

The candidate is standing on his own without the party vehicles.

So far you are making an argument based on appeal to authority, not logic.

Just because a judge said a corporation is a person, in a specific legal case, that does not mean a corporation is a person.

I was reading yesterday that the Oxford English Dictionary has accepted Nigerian cintext English phrases. These people used Nigerian English (not to be confused with pidgin English) until Oxford accepted it.

Why do we think using Tanzanian context English such as "Private Candidate" is wrong?

Can't we have a jurisprudence that is peppered with and rooted in our own etymology?

I can argue "Independent Candidate" is not right. Doesn't that candidate need some sponsors? If the candidate need sponsors, he is deoendend on the sponsors, how can he be "Independent"?

Prof Kabudi said there is no such thing as a Private Candidate.

To the contrary, thwre is no such thing as an Independent Candidate.

War of words as Nigerian English recognised by OED

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In the context of electoral politics, the term ‘independent candidate’ is the more apposite.

But, when translated into Swahili, that’s when you get ‘mgombea binafsi’.

‘Mgombea binafsi’ is not the literal translation of independent candidate. Literally translated into English, ‘mgombea binafsi’ is a ‘private candidate’.

In English, a private candidate could mean something totally different than independent candidate.

But that’s what happens when terms are translated into another language. Some things tend to get lost in translation.

An independent candidate is someone who runs for elective political office without being affiliated with any political party. Hence the independence from political parties.

So to me, independent candidate is the correct term.

Ever heard of Senator Angus King from Maine? He is an Independent Senator, not a private Senator.

H. Ross Perot ran as an independent candidate for president in 1992. He didn’t run as a private candidate.
 
Nyani Ngabu said:
In the context of electoral politics, the term ‘independent candidate’ is the more apposite.

But, when translated into Swahili, that’s when you get ‘mgombea binafsi’.

‘Mgombea binafsi’ is not the literal translation of independent candidate. Literally translated into English, ‘mgombea binafsi’ is a ‘private candidate’.

In English, a private candidate could mean something totally different than independent candidate.

But that’s what happens when terms are translated into another language. Some things tend to get lost in translation.

An independent candidate is someone who runs for elective political office without being affiliated with any political party. Hence the independence from political parties.

So to me, independent candidate is the correct term.

Ever heard of Senator Angus King from Maine? He is an Independent Senator, not a private Senator.

H. Ross Perot ran as an independent candidate for president in 1992. He didn’t run as a private candidate.
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Nobody is independent.

They all need sponsors.

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Kiranga said:
Nobody is independent.

They all need sponsors.

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That’s beside the point, though.

Independent candidacy in the context of elective political office refers to someone who runs independent of a political party.

It’s not about finance, donors, and/ or sponsors.

Michael Bloomberg is running for the Democratic Party’s nomination for the presidency of the United States.

He is running as a Democrat to be the Democratic nominee.

He is funding his own campaign. He can’t be an independent candidate if he is affiliating himself with the Democratic Party.
 
Nyani Ngabu said:
That’s beside the point, though.

Independent candidacy in the context of elective political office refers to someone who runs independent of a political party.

It’s not about finance, donors, and/ or sponsors.

Michael Bloomberg is running for the Democratic Party’s nomination for the presidency of the United States.

He is running as a Democrat to be the Democratic nominee.

He is funding his own campaign. He can’t be an independent candidate if he is affiliating himself with the Democratic Party.
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I want to examine the logic of the accepted context, so far, it is wanting.

If a so called Independent Candidate depends on endorsements and sponsorships, how independent can he be?
 
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