Duru za Siasa: Matokeo ya Uchaguzi Marekani
Duru za Siasa: Matokeo ya Uchaguzi Marekani
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El Jefe
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Not True.
Those nominated officials (Secretary of Treasury, Commerce and his Deputy, Education, Transportation) happen to know how to win. They have smart records that you can actually look at.
Liberals just don't get it.
PEOTUS said during his election campaigns that he will make use of the country's smartest people to help make US great again.
Nguruvi3
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Ukiondoa WH, that's the situation even now. Inaeleza ugumu aliokuwa nao Obama kutawala
Kwa upande mwingine that puts onus on Republican.
Mambo yakiwa mazuri watapata credit , yakiharibika hawana wa kumlaumu
Kuwa na senate na house bado hakutoi ulaini wa kutawala.
Kitu kimoja kizuri Marekani, senate na house kila mshiriki ana interest za eneo lake na vote huwa zinawabana sana. Mbele ya safari hutumika
Tazama kura ya Clinton kuhusu Iraq ilivyomwandama almost 8 years
Angalia rekodi ya Sanders kuhusu gun control ilivyomwandama
Na hata Trump akiwa nje bado kauli zake kama ya Iraq ilimwandama
Juzi tu Trump alipozungumzia kufuta uraia kwa wachoma bendera, waliokuja juu ni Republican kuliko Democrat. Hawakutaka kuunganishwa na first amendment kwasababu mbele ya safari itamgusa kila mmoja
Mag3
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No, it is not that simple. Unfortunately they don't have the majority of the real power wielders, the people. The fact that they have lost the popular votes takes away some degree of legitimacy from this claim.
That is what makes America so unique...real power rests in the hands of we, the people. In 2008 Obama won overwhelmingly the presidency, the house, the senate plus the popular votes yet he had a hard time pushing his agenda forward.
Na sasa ndiyo tutapata fursa ya kushuhudia demokrasia ya Marekani inavyofanya kazi. Nachelea kusema kama Kuna Rais atapata wakati mgumu Ni Donald Trump. Aliyofanyiwa Obama yatakuwa Ni kama chai Tu.
Pamoja na hayo kwa kushinda walivyoshinda, macho yote sasa yataelekezwa kwa Republicans. Lawama zote zitawaangukia kama kutatokea matatizo ya kiutekelezaji na lazima wawe tayari kutoa utetezi unaotosheleza.
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Ndiyo maana nikasema, kuwa na senate, house, governors na state legislatures hakujafanya kazi kuwa rahisi
Ninapenda sana mfumo wa Marekani wamethubutu kugawa nguvu za utawala na utawala unatoka kwa wananchi.
Kwa mfano, popular vote ina impact maamuzi lazima yaangalie hilo
Pili, senate na house, wanawekwa na watu kutoka maeneo yenye utofauti
Huko katika state level nao wana maamuzi yao na wanaweka serikali zao
Trump kaambiwa na California na Chicago ni ''safe sanctuary'' kwa immigrants na hakuna nyaraka itakayotolewa kueleza chochote kuhusu hilo
Uniqueness ya US ni kuwa hakuna 'one size fits all' isipokuwa 'balance'
Kwa mfano, Trump alipo tweet kuhusu Uraia kama hiyo angetaka iwe policy nadhani bill ingekataliwa hata kabla ya kuingia katika house au senate
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How do you explain 'degree of legitimacy' when for example in 2012, Pres. Obama won by 5M in popular vote but Democrats lost the House? Did that take away some degree of 'legitimacy'?
Trump has Real Powers just so you understand as per the constitution ordained and established by 'we the people'.
Even though you keep bringing it up, popular vote results of 2016 doesn't affect Trump's legitimacy in a way that he can't take his case to the people.
Historically, there are some US Presidents who found themselves in similar situation to Pres. Obama (2008) and they managed to push a lot.
Democrats should really blame themselves for doing nothing in those 2 years.
We have witnessed it a lot and working with Congress has never been easy for many US Presidents even with Majority in the Senate and the House especially without a filibuster proof majority.
However, times are different and situations are not the same.
It is easy to predict but difficult to retract. I doubt you can bet your last coin on that.
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Oh halafu nilisahau...hata Supreme Court nayo karibu itatawaliwa na conservatives Trump akishateua mrithi wa Justice Scalia na kupitishwa na Congress .
Na impact ya Supreme Court ni kwa generation nzima.
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Ever heard of gerrymandering? Because of it, it became very difficult for Democrats to win the house until such time congressional districts are redefined after Republicans lose most Governorships and this, believe it or not, will happen during this 4-year Donald Trump's tenure.
Depends on what you mean by Real Powers but from what little I know, presidents can be impeached and removed from office...this could happen sooner than later.
Wanna bet? Trump is already up in arms searching for some red herring to advance some theoretical hogwash as to who really won the popular votes! If it didn't matter Trump wouldn't need to turn to a scavenger rummaging through little dumps looking for illegal voters.
Name one who in spite of their overwhelming win pursued their dream as a uniter and unifier to the extent of abandoning their base instead of pushing their agenda...not one.
No, the blame goes to Obama...he abandoned them to become a crusader of non-partisanship ideology which was definitely a non-starter for people like Sen. Mitch McConnell of Kentucky, the minority leader of the senate at the time.
Especially for one coming into office with the kind of baggage Trump carries and just to name a few; history of business failure, racist smear campaign, outrageous claims and offensive statements, failure to release income tax returns...oh, enough to fill a whole container.
Yeah times have changed and it has just gotten worse for people like Trump. In the past, after inauguration, it could all have been forgotten but not during this time and age...the info and technology age.
There has never been anything so easy to predict that one could just take it to the bank!
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TRUMP: TAHANK YOU TOUR
Pres elect Trump na makamu wake wamekuwa katika ziara za kuwashukuru wapiga kura
Ziara imekuja baada ya habari za kafanikisha dili la kuibakiza kampuni ya Carrier kuhamia Mexico. Kampuni ilitangaza kuhama licha ya jitihada za gavana wa Indiana
Trump akiwa kiwandani alikiri wazo hilo kulipata kutoka kwa mchangiaji wa TV moja ambayo tumefanikiwa kuijua ni CNN. Hakuwa mchoyo wa fadhila kukiri hilo
Inasemwa, ajira 110 zitabaki Indiana na hilo linaonekama kama ushindi kwa kuanzia
Baadaye alikwenda Ohio ambako alihutubia watu wengi waliofika kumsikiliza
Trump hakutumia teleprompter au kusoma, alizungumza tu kwa maoni yake
Mwanzo wa hotuba alisema anatambua mgawanyiko katika Taifa, na yeye anaweza kuliunganisha kwa wale wasioamini. Kauli hii ililenga kuleta utengamano Marekani
Akakemea bigotry na predijuce zote kwa wananchi. Trump alilenga kulikana kundi la alt right ingawa hakusema wazi. Alisema lwakubaliane kuwa umoja wa kitaifa ni muhimu
Kadri alivyosonga mbele alipoteza mweleko wa hotuba. Alizungumzia jambo moja na kurukia jingine kisha kurudi. Hata hivyo, lengo lake lilikuwa kuwafikia middle class
Hotuba ikawa 'hotuba kama ya kampei' akishambulia kila eneo
Alieleza vyombo vya habari vilivyoripoti na kuwaita waandishi 'dishonet people' wakizomewa ukumbini
Katika hilo Trump alionekana kutojali nguvu ya vyombo vya habari na dhahiri akishambulia vyombo hivyo na wanahabari.
Kosa alilofanya ni kutotambua wanahabari si wa vyombo bali jamii nzima ikiwemo ya kimataifa. Hivyo, Trump ni kama alitafuta ugomvi ingawa hakujali
Katika kuamsha hisia za wafuasi, Trump alijikuta katika mkanganyiko mwingine.
Wana ukumbi walilipuka jina la Hillary Clinton lilipotajwa kwa kauli mbiu 'lock her up'
Trump akatafuta namna ya kuzima kauli hizo huku uharibifu ukiwa umeafanyika
Ni uharibifu kwasababu Trump ndiye Rais wa Marekani ajaye na amesema hana nia ya kuendelea na mashtaka aliyodai dhidi ya HC.
Mayowe ya wafuasi wake yameamsha hisia kali kwa kundi la HC ambalo tayari lilishanza kumpinga. Ni kama ametonesha kidonda wakati anatafuta umoja wa kitaifa
Inaendelea
Pres elect Trump na makamu wake wamekuwa katika ziara za kuwashukuru wapiga kura
Ziara imekuja baada ya habari za kafanikisha dili la kuibakiza kampuni ya Carrier kuhamia Mexico. Kampuni ilitangaza kuhama licha ya jitihada za gavana wa Indiana
Trump akiwa kiwandani alikiri wazo hilo kulipata kutoka kwa mchangiaji wa TV moja ambayo tumefanikiwa kuijua ni CNN. Hakuwa mchoyo wa fadhila kukiri hilo
Inasemwa, ajira 110 zitabaki Indiana na hilo linaonekama kama ushindi kwa kuanzia
Baadaye alikwenda Ohio ambako alihutubia watu wengi waliofika kumsikiliza
Trump hakutumia teleprompter au kusoma, alizungumza tu kwa maoni yake
Mwanzo wa hotuba alisema anatambua mgawanyiko katika Taifa, na yeye anaweza kuliunganisha kwa wale wasioamini. Kauli hii ililenga kuleta utengamano Marekani
Akakemea bigotry na predijuce zote kwa wananchi. Trump alilenga kulikana kundi la alt right ingawa hakusema wazi. Alisema lwakubaliane kuwa umoja wa kitaifa ni muhimu
Kadri alivyosonga mbele alipoteza mweleko wa hotuba. Alizungumzia jambo moja na kurukia jingine kisha kurudi. Hata hivyo, lengo lake lilikuwa kuwafikia middle class
Hotuba ikawa 'hotuba kama ya kampei' akishambulia kila eneo
Alieleza vyombo vya habari vilivyoripoti na kuwaita waandishi 'dishonet people' wakizomewa ukumbini
Katika hilo Trump alionekana kutojali nguvu ya vyombo vya habari na dhahiri akishambulia vyombo hivyo na wanahabari.
Kosa alilofanya ni kutotambua wanahabari si wa vyombo bali jamii nzima ikiwemo ya kimataifa. Hivyo, Trump ni kama alitafuta ugomvi ingawa hakujali
Katika kuamsha hisia za wafuasi, Trump alijikuta katika mkanganyiko mwingine.
Wana ukumbi walilipuka jina la Hillary Clinton lilipotajwa kwa kauli mbiu 'lock her up'
Trump akatafuta namna ya kuzima kauli hizo huku uharibifu ukiwa umeafanyika
Ni uharibifu kwasababu Trump ndiye Rais wa Marekani ajaye na amesema hana nia ya kuendelea na mashtaka aliyodai dhidi ya HC.
Mayowe ya wafuasi wake yameamsha hisia kali kwa kundi la HC ambalo tayari lilishanza kumpinga. Ni kama ametonesha kidonda wakati anatafuta umoja wa kitaifa
Inaendelea
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Inaendelea
Wakati akiongea kuna mtu alipingana naye. Trump alkerwa na kusema 'wapo wasioamini kuwa HC amepoteza' Kwa kauli hii, akiwa Rais mtarajiwa haikuwa njema.
Alichotakiwa ni kukaa kimya aendelee na hotuba yake.
Masahili kama hayo yalimkuta Obama North Carolina, tofauti na Trump Obama aliwazuia wafuasi wake akiwataka waheshimu haki ya mtu kujieleza
Trump akazungumzia uchumi na biashara akisema atafuta mkataba wa NAFTA ulioasisiwa na Bill Clinton na kupigiwa Debe na Hillary.
Hapa haikuwa sahihi, angezungumzia mkataba bila kuwataja
Kuwataja ni kuamsha hisia kwa kundi analohitaji
Trump akarejea kauli ya ku repeal and replace Obamacare.
Inaonekana kana kwamba kuna nyakati anataka kufanya na nyakati anarudi nyuma
Trumpa akasema atafuta regulations zinazouia ukuaji wa biashara na kazi.
Akaendele kusisitiza kupunguza kodi kutoka 35 hadi 15% kwa makampuni
Katika hoja hii kuna jambo la kuangalia.
George Bush alifuta sheria zilizokwaza kazi na ajiri, na kupunguza kodi
Matokeo yake ni mdodoro wa uchumi mkubwa sana.
Haina maana kaongea jambo baya, angeangalia historia pengine kauli zingekuwa tofauti
Obama alipoingia madarakani wakati wa mdororo wa uchumi alipunguza kodi, matokeo hayakuwa kama ilivyokusudiwa. Pengine Trump ana mtazamo tofauti wenye tija.
Trump akamshambulia Obama kwa kauli za 'viongozi wasiojua wanafanya nini'
Matamshi yake dhidi ya Obama yalikuwa kauli za kampeni bila kujali ni Rais mtarajiwa
Katika siasa za nje, kasema ataimarisha visa kwa wale wanaokwenda Marekani kwa kazi za kitaalam zenye manufaa. Hadi sasa visa hutolewa kwa mtindo huo
Katika immigration, Trump kasema lengo ni kuzuia watu wasiojulikana wanatoka wapi, na wale wanaotoka maeneo 'unsafe'
Trump akatolea mfano wa mauaji ya st Bernadino, Orlando, Paris na WTC
Akasema shambulio la chuoni Ohio ni kutokana na upuuzi wa viongozi wa sasa
Trump akasema ataimarisha jeshi na kupambana na ISIS na ugadia
Hapa ndipo Trump anapoonyesha udhaifu. Kwanza, hadi leo hakuna shambulio kubwa Marekani kutoka nje. Mashambulio au mauaji ni ya watu walioko Marekani.
Kwa mfano,kijana aliyeshambulia Ohio alikuja mdogo na kuwa radicalized na mafunzo ya Alwaki
Pili, ISISI wana ideology hawana makao makuu.
Huko walipo ni ngom, mashambulizi hasa ya Ulaya yanafanywa na lone wolf kwa ushawishi.
Ili kukabliana na hali hiyo, haieleweki anawezaje kuzuia mashambulizi yanayotokana na waliokuwa radicalized ndani ya Marekani. Na je itakapotokea atasema nijni?
Inaendelea
Wakati akiongea kuna mtu alipingana naye. Trump alkerwa na kusema 'wapo wasioamini kuwa HC amepoteza' Kwa kauli hii, akiwa Rais mtarajiwa haikuwa njema.
Alichotakiwa ni kukaa kimya aendelee na hotuba yake.
Masahili kama hayo yalimkuta Obama North Carolina, tofauti na Trump Obama aliwazuia wafuasi wake akiwataka waheshimu haki ya mtu kujieleza
Trump akazungumzia uchumi na biashara akisema atafuta mkataba wa NAFTA ulioasisiwa na Bill Clinton na kupigiwa Debe na Hillary.
Hapa haikuwa sahihi, angezungumzia mkataba bila kuwataja
Kuwataja ni kuamsha hisia kwa kundi analohitaji
Trump akarejea kauli ya ku repeal and replace Obamacare.
Inaonekana kana kwamba kuna nyakati anataka kufanya na nyakati anarudi nyuma
Trumpa akasema atafuta regulations zinazouia ukuaji wa biashara na kazi.
Akaendele kusisitiza kupunguza kodi kutoka 35 hadi 15% kwa makampuni
Katika hoja hii kuna jambo la kuangalia.
George Bush alifuta sheria zilizokwaza kazi na ajiri, na kupunguza kodi
Matokeo yake ni mdodoro wa uchumi mkubwa sana.
Haina maana kaongea jambo baya, angeangalia historia pengine kauli zingekuwa tofauti
Obama alipoingia madarakani wakati wa mdororo wa uchumi alipunguza kodi, matokeo hayakuwa kama ilivyokusudiwa. Pengine Trump ana mtazamo tofauti wenye tija.
Trump akamshambulia Obama kwa kauli za 'viongozi wasiojua wanafanya nini'
Matamshi yake dhidi ya Obama yalikuwa kauli za kampeni bila kujali ni Rais mtarajiwa
Katika siasa za nje, kasema ataimarisha visa kwa wale wanaokwenda Marekani kwa kazi za kitaalam zenye manufaa. Hadi sasa visa hutolewa kwa mtindo huo
Katika immigration, Trump kasema lengo ni kuzuia watu wasiojulikana wanatoka wapi, na wale wanaotoka maeneo 'unsafe'
Trump akatolea mfano wa mauaji ya st Bernadino, Orlando, Paris na WTC
Akasema shambulio la chuoni Ohio ni kutokana na upuuzi wa viongozi wa sasa
Trump akasema ataimarisha jeshi na kupambana na ISIS na ugadia
Hapa ndipo Trump anapoonyesha udhaifu. Kwanza, hadi leo hakuna shambulio kubwa Marekani kutoka nje. Mashambulio au mauaji ni ya watu walioko Marekani.
Kwa mfano,kijana aliyeshambulia Ohio alikuja mdogo na kuwa radicalized na mafunzo ya Alwaki
Pili, ISISI wana ideology hawana makao makuu.
Huko walipo ni ngom, mashambulizi hasa ya Ulaya yanafanywa na lone wolf kwa ushawishi.
Ili kukabliana na hali hiyo, haieleweki anawezaje kuzuia mashambulizi yanayotokana na waliokuwa radicalized ndani ya Marekani. Na je itakapotokea atasema nijni?
Inaendelea
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Inaendelea
Kuhusu kupambana na ISIS hili nalo kaonyesha udhaifu.
Hadi sasa ISIS wanashambuliwa katika ngome zao.
Kuna uwezakano katika siku zilizobaki Iraq ikakombolewa.
Hoja ya ISIS itahamia Syria na huo utakuwa mtihani kwake kwasababu ya Russia
Trump hajaelewa kuwa dunia inabadilika kila uchao.
Kwa mfano, Obama alipoingia madarakani challenge ilikuwa Alqaeeda.
Alielekeza nguvu zake huko hadi kumpata Osama.
Bila kutarajia, ikazuka Arab spring iliyokuwa'complicated' ku solve kutokana na interest za America na iliyosambaza ISIS zaidi
Hivyo kutumia ISIS pekee bila kujua nini kinaweza kutokea katika dunia ya leo ni jambo litakalomkwaza mbele ya safari.
Litamkwaza kwasababu amesema hata hangaika kuondoa madikteta , anataka amani
Hapa anamaanisha kuwaondoa akina Saddam na Gaddafi ni chanzo cha matatizo
Lakini asiasahu maeneo kama Iran yanaweza kuleta usumbufu kwa US kwa njia nyingine
Hoja ni kuwa kuongelea 'item' na si ujumla wa matatizo litakuwa tatizo kwake
Na pia aliongelea kuunda kamati ya maadili.
Hili la maadili litakwenda sambamba na shughuli zake litamrudi mbele ya safari
Kwa ufupi, ameongea mengi, hayo ni kwa tafsi yetu unayoweza kuwa si sahihi na maoni binafsi
Tutaendelea na sehemu nyingine baadaye
Kuhusu kupambana na ISIS hili nalo kaonyesha udhaifu.
Hadi sasa ISIS wanashambuliwa katika ngome zao.
Kuna uwezakano katika siku zilizobaki Iraq ikakombolewa.
Hoja ya ISIS itahamia Syria na huo utakuwa mtihani kwake kwasababu ya Russia
Trump hajaelewa kuwa dunia inabadilika kila uchao.
Kwa mfano, Obama alipoingia madarakani challenge ilikuwa Alqaeeda.
Alielekeza nguvu zake huko hadi kumpata Osama.
Bila kutarajia, ikazuka Arab spring iliyokuwa'complicated' ku solve kutokana na interest za America na iliyosambaza ISIS zaidi
Hivyo kutumia ISIS pekee bila kujua nini kinaweza kutokea katika dunia ya leo ni jambo litakalomkwaza mbele ya safari.
Litamkwaza kwasababu amesema hata hangaika kuondoa madikteta , anataka amani
Hapa anamaanisha kuwaondoa akina Saddam na Gaddafi ni chanzo cha matatizo
Lakini asiasahu maeneo kama Iran yanaweza kuleta usumbufu kwa US kwa njia nyingine
Hoja ni kuwa kuongelea 'item' na si ujumla wa matatizo litakuwa tatizo kwake
Na pia aliongelea kuunda kamati ya maadili.
Hili la maadili litakwenda sambamba na shughuli zake litamrudi mbele ya safari
Kwa ufupi, ameongea mengi, hayo ni kwa tafsi yetu unayoweza kuwa si sahihi na maoni binafsi
Tutaendelea na sehemu nyingine baadaye
El Jefe
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Both Democrats and Republicans have used gerrymandering from the very beginning to gain political advantage.
However, the most important thing to note here is that Republican House majority is not solely due to gerrymandering.
Lets take an example of 2016 and do some maths:
There are 435 congressional districts across the 50 U.S. states and 218 seats are needed for a House majority.
At the moment, Republicans have 240 seats(22 seats majority surplus)
Democrats have 194 seats (24 seats majority deficit)
1 seat is TBD (To be determined)
According to several independent studies, Republican gerrymandering gave them not more than 15 seats advantage in 2016.
If you do the arithmetic, 22 - 15 = 7 or 194 +15 + (1) = 210, you can figure out that Republicans would still win the House majority even without gerrymandering.
What do you mean by 'Real Powers'
PEOTUS has raised concerns on the integrity of the voting process just like Hillary and her partners did when they decided to participate in a vote recount process started by their little pawn Jill.
Abraham Lincoln (1861-1865) with Republican House and Senate Majority during his first 2 years (1861 -1863) and last 2 years (1863-1865).
What difference does it make? they are all democrats.
Business: Trump organization is one of the successful real estate orgs in the US.
Racism: Trump got more african american votes (13% from men) than Republican candidates who were positively viewed by media as non-racist.
Outrageous claims and offensive statements: Dishonest liberal media has twisted Trump's statements a billion times unsuccessfully to suit their agenda.
Release of income tax return: Romney's tax return issue was really politicized in 2012 and frankly, a lot of people remember that.
Do you think American people are stupid electing Trump even without his tax returns?
A billion containers would be filled with Hillary's baggages alone if you wanna know the truth.
Sir, nothing has gotten worse for Trump.
Why don't you wait and see what happens after inauguation instead of prophesizing.
You failed to be patiend before Nov 8 and you got yourself a surprise, now you are picking something else.
Then why are you acting like a psychic?
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Talking of Maths, if we did the arithmetic Trump wouldn't be the president-elect and the Republicans wouldn't control the Congress and that's the harsh naked truth...! Remember numbers don't lie...it is the system that made Trump the president-elect and not the number of votes cast at the ballot by the people, the citizens of USA.
Latest Popular votes update...
- Hillary Clinton: 65,224,885
- Donald trump: 62,679,299
- The difference: 2,545,586
Incidentally El Jefe, are you aware of this?
When the Founders of the American Republic wrote the U.S. Constitution in 1787, they did not envision a role for political parties in the governmental order. Indeed, they sought through various constitutional arrangements such as separation of powers, checks and balances, federalism, and indirect election of the president by an electoral college to insulate the new republic from political parties and factions.
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Nguruvi3
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YANAYOJIRI
Baada ya kueleza hotuba ya Trump kwa ufupi, kuna maeneo hatukuyagusa aliyozungumzia
Trump alisikika akisema ana senate, ana house na of course WH.wengine 'Dem' watashirikishwa.
Kauli yake iliwalenga Republican akiwataka watumie fursa hizo kumuunga mkono
Mwisho wa hotuba, Trump aliwataka wafuasi ndani ya ukumbi wamsaidie.
Alisema kazi ya mabadiliko si rahisi wamsaidie kushinikiza maseneta/Wabunge kupitisha agenda
Hoja:
Kwanza, kauli yake kuhusu ushindi wa senate, haouse na WH ni ya kweli, tumeijadili hapa
Hata hivyo hakuonyesha kuwafikia Democrat kwa njia nzuri. Hili litamsumbua mbele ya safari
Pili, tulisema umiliki wa mihimili haumpi nafasi ya kutenda atakavyo Marekani.
Mifumo ipo katika kuangaliana na hutimiza yaliyo ndani yake.
Trump kukiri mabadiliko hayatakuwa rahisi ni ushahidi wa ugumu anaouona
Amewafikia wananchi ili wamsaidie kusukuma agenda zake. Hilo nalo tumelijadili
Teuzi za Trump zinazunguka katika viunga vya Washington.
Kwamba anakwenda ku drain swamp si rahisi kama alivyodhani.
Kwasasa analeta the establishment wa Washington katika serikali.
Na zaidi , anafahamu chuki dhidi ya 'the establishment' wa pande zote imefutika machoni , mioyoni ni mbichi kama ilivyotokea jana katika mdahalo Harvard
Midahalo ni utamaduni na kukutanisha viongozi waandamizi wa vyama ili kutathmini uchaguzi.
Kilichotokea jana ni kubadilisha kauli kali kana kwamba kampeni zilikuwa zinaendelea.
Hilo tu linaonyesha vidoonda vya uchaguzi vilivyo vibichi na nini ategemee kwenda mbele
CHINA/TAIWANI
Trump ameongea na kiongozi wa Taiwan 'privately' . Hili limezua mtafaruku mzito katika media
Kiuhalisia President elect kuongea na viongozi wa mataifa ni jambo la kawaida kabisa
Kwanini sadi kuna mtafaruku? Tutalijadili bandiko linalofuata
Baada ya kueleza hotuba ya Trump kwa ufupi, kuna maeneo hatukuyagusa aliyozungumzia
Trump alisikika akisema ana senate, ana house na of course WH.wengine 'Dem' watashirikishwa.
Kauli yake iliwalenga Republican akiwataka watumie fursa hizo kumuunga mkono
Mwisho wa hotuba, Trump aliwataka wafuasi ndani ya ukumbi wamsaidie.
Alisema kazi ya mabadiliko si rahisi wamsaidie kushinikiza maseneta/Wabunge kupitisha agenda
Hoja:
Kwanza, kauli yake kuhusu ushindi wa senate, haouse na WH ni ya kweli, tumeijadili hapa
Hata hivyo hakuonyesha kuwafikia Democrat kwa njia nzuri. Hili litamsumbua mbele ya safari
Pili, tulisema umiliki wa mihimili haumpi nafasi ya kutenda atakavyo Marekani.
Mifumo ipo katika kuangaliana na hutimiza yaliyo ndani yake.
Trump kukiri mabadiliko hayatakuwa rahisi ni ushahidi wa ugumu anaouona
Amewafikia wananchi ili wamsaidie kusukuma agenda zake. Hilo nalo tumelijadili
Teuzi za Trump zinazunguka katika viunga vya Washington.
Kwamba anakwenda ku drain swamp si rahisi kama alivyodhani.
Kwasasa analeta the establishment wa Washington katika serikali.
Na zaidi , anafahamu chuki dhidi ya 'the establishment' wa pande zote imefutika machoni , mioyoni ni mbichi kama ilivyotokea jana katika mdahalo Harvard
Midahalo ni utamaduni na kukutanisha viongozi waandamizi wa vyama ili kutathmini uchaguzi.
Kilichotokea jana ni kubadilisha kauli kali kana kwamba kampeni zilikuwa zinaendelea.
Hilo tu linaonyesha vidoonda vya uchaguzi vilivyo vibichi na nini ategemee kwenda mbele
CHINA/TAIWANI
Trump ameongea na kiongozi wa Taiwan 'privately' . Hili limezua mtafaruku mzito katika media
Kiuhalisia President elect kuongea na viongozi wa mataifa ni jambo la kawaida kabisa
Kwanini sadi kuna mtafaruku? Tutalijadili bandiko linalofuata
El Jefe
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The magic number is 270, did hillary get to it or past it?
Sir, when the liberals yapped for months before the election that there is no way Trump can get to 270 and that there is no path for him, they were talking of numbers which don't lie.
Trump won 306 electoral votes (the most of any Republican since 1988) and he carried 9 of 13 battleground states, 30 of 50 states, and more than 2,600 counties nationwide (the most since President Ronald Reagan in 1984).
Now you are pivoting away from the same numbers MSM talked about for months.
Trump is the President Elect because he won 30 States and got himself 306 EC Votes and Hillary won 20 and got herself 232 EC Votes.
The people who voted for Trump are the citizens of the US.
The essence of electoral college system is that one state like California with their massive votes don't get to choose a US President.
Why did Hillary win just 20 States? Why not 25 or even 30?
Ronald Reagan won 44 out of 50 States in 1980 and 49 out of 50 States in 1984 (record), if Hillary is really the people's choice, why would she win less than half the number of States Reagan won?
We all know where these numbers are coming from.
Hillary is leading in California by over 4.1M votes but unfortunately one State's massive votes cannot undermine the PEOTUS.
Trump is leading in the popular votes of the other 49 States. Remember that.
The numbers you are talking about are driven by one State (California).
Yes, people's voice do matter, but it is all people's voice and not just the voice of Californians.
Yes I'm aware,
Are in support of these statements? If your answer is yes, then you shouldn't reprehend the EC system, if your answer is no, then remember that all the attempts to amend the constitution in order to remove EC system have been unsuccessful.
Nguruvi3
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CHINA/TAIWAN
Kama tulivyosema, simu ya Trump kwa kiongozi wa Taiwan imeleta mjadala mzito katika media
Ni kawaida Rais mteule kuongea na viongozi wa dunia akiwa kipindi cha mpito 'tranistion'
Simu ya Trump kwa kiongozi wa Taiwan si tatizo, tatizo ni suala zima la kidiplomasia
Hilo limepanuka na mjadala kuelekea maeneo ambayo Trump asingependa yaende
Sera ya USni Taiwan ni sehemu ya China. Marekani ina uhusiano wa kidiplomasia na China si Taiwan. Mara ya mwisho kwa kiongozi wa Marekani kumpigia simu kiongozi wa Taiwan ilikuwa 1978
Kuanzia hapo uhusiano wa Taiwan unatambuliwa kupitia China kama Jimbo na si moja kwa moja
Maongezi yote ya kimataifaat least hjulikana na state dept kwa kuwa yana masilahi na US
Hapa ndipo lilipo tatizo halisi, kwamba, Trump amevunja utaratibu wa kidiplomasia na kuongea na kiongozi wa Taiwan kama 'Taifa' katika hali itakayoudhi China na utaratibu uliokuwa nje ya diplomasia
Maongezi ya Trump na kiongozi huyo ynasemwa kuwa ;private' na hapo kuchochea udadisi zaidi.
China wamefuata Diplomasia, badala ya kuongea na Trump, wametuma ujumbe WH kwa Obama kutaka maelezo ya nini kinaendelea kati ya Trump na Taiwan na China kufuatia simu hiyo
Tatizo la Simu ya Trump kwenda Taiwan
1. Trump amevunja sera za Marekani kwa Taiwan/China uliodumu kwa Marais 4, Republican na Democrat na kwa takribani miaka 40. Hii ndiyo hoja na si kwanini ameongea na kiongozi wa nje
2. Endapo anataka kubadilisha sera (policy) dhidi ya China/Taiwan kuna utaratibu
Hii ni pamoja na kusbiri aapishwe kwa mantiki kuwa kuna Rais mmoja kwa wakati mmoja
Mathalan, mzozo wowote wa kidiplomasia utakaozuka sasa hivi , mwenye mzigo ni Obama
3. Trump hakufanya mawasiliano na state dept wala WH.
Imesemwa, walioandaa ni wafanyabiasharaHapa linazuka suala jingine
Je maongezi yalihusu biashara za Trump au masilahi ya Marekani?
Tayari kuna habari Trump aliwahi kuongea na Meya wa Taiwan kuhusu uwekezaji huko
Ndivyo ilivyokuwa kwa Trump na interest za uwekezaji kule Philippine
Matatizo mbele ya Safari
1. Kwasasa WH inapaswa kuijibu China kuhusiana na maongezi. Ni wazi, lazima wapate details za maongezi hayo. Yawe yenye masilahi au binafsi kuna tatizo kwa tranisition team leo au miaka ijayo
2.China itataka kulipa kasi. Kumbuka huu ni uchumi namba 2 duniani na una influence kubwa
a) Utaanzisha trade war na china wanaweza kuleta madhara makubwa US
b) China itatunisha misuli kwa kuunga mkono North Korea. China ni muhimu kwa mzozo wa Korea
Ikiamua kumuunga mkono dogo Kim Jong Un, US na washirika kama Japan, S.Korea wana tatizo
c)Kuna mzozo wa South China Sea. Hadi sasa Philipine imeungana na China. Katika hali ya kutoelewana US ipo katika nafasi ya kupoteza kimasilahi kuliko ilivyo sasa
d)Mzozo wa Kidiplomasia utaunganisha China , Iran , Russia naTurkey inayoelekea mashariki na kuweka umoja wa NATO katika mazingira tata kuliko ilivyo sasa
3. Itakapobainika vinginevyo, washirika wa US hasa Ulaya watakuwa na misimamo yao na si ya pamoja kama nchi za NATO. Ulaya haiwezi kukubali kuingia katika mzozo wa Kidiplomasia uliosababishwa na Trump na si Marekani bila maongezi
Allie wa Marekani watakwenda 'solo' na hilo ni tatizo kubwa kwa uchumi na usalama
4. Hoja ya Blind Trust inayomhusu Trump itapata mashiko zaidi
Tusemezane
Kama tulivyosema, simu ya Trump kwa kiongozi wa Taiwan imeleta mjadala mzito katika media
Ni kawaida Rais mteule kuongea na viongozi wa dunia akiwa kipindi cha mpito 'tranistion'
Simu ya Trump kwa kiongozi wa Taiwan si tatizo, tatizo ni suala zima la kidiplomasia
Hilo limepanuka na mjadala kuelekea maeneo ambayo Trump asingependa yaende
Sera ya USni Taiwan ni sehemu ya China. Marekani ina uhusiano wa kidiplomasia na China si Taiwan. Mara ya mwisho kwa kiongozi wa Marekani kumpigia simu kiongozi wa Taiwan ilikuwa 1978
Kuanzia hapo uhusiano wa Taiwan unatambuliwa kupitia China kama Jimbo na si moja kwa moja
Maongezi yote ya kimataifaat least hjulikana na state dept kwa kuwa yana masilahi na US
Hapa ndipo lilipo tatizo halisi, kwamba, Trump amevunja utaratibu wa kidiplomasia na kuongea na kiongozi wa Taiwan kama 'Taifa' katika hali itakayoudhi China na utaratibu uliokuwa nje ya diplomasia
Maongezi ya Trump na kiongozi huyo ynasemwa kuwa ;private' na hapo kuchochea udadisi zaidi.
China wamefuata Diplomasia, badala ya kuongea na Trump, wametuma ujumbe WH kwa Obama kutaka maelezo ya nini kinaendelea kati ya Trump na Taiwan na China kufuatia simu hiyo
Tatizo la Simu ya Trump kwenda Taiwan
1. Trump amevunja sera za Marekani kwa Taiwan/China uliodumu kwa Marais 4, Republican na Democrat na kwa takribani miaka 40. Hii ndiyo hoja na si kwanini ameongea na kiongozi wa nje
2. Endapo anataka kubadilisha sera (policy) dhidi ya China/Taiwan kuna utaratibu
Hii ni pamoja na kusbiri aapishwe kwa mantiki kuwa kuna Rais mmoja kwa wakati mmoja
Mathalan, mzozo wowote wa kidiplomasia utakaozuka sasa hivi , mwenye mzigo ni Obama
3. Trump hakufanya mawasiliano na state dept wala WH.
Imesemwa, walioandaa ni wafanyabiasharaHapa linazuka suala jingine
Je maongezi yalihusu biashara za Trump au masilahi ya Marekani?
Tayari kuna habari Trump aliwahi kuongea na Meya wa Taiwan kuhusu uwekezaji huko
Ndivyo ilivyokuwa kwa Trump na interest za uwekezaji kule Philippine
Matatizo mbele ya Safari
1. Kwasasa WH inapaswa kuijibu China kuhusiana na maongezi. Ni wazi, lazima wapate details za maongezi hayo. Yawe yenye masilahi au binafsi kuna tatizo kwa tranisition team leo au miaka ijayo
2.China itataka kulipa kasi. Kumbuka huu ni uchumi namba 2 duniani na una influence kubwa
a) Utaanzisha trade war na china wanaweza kuleta madhara makubwa US
b) China itatunisha misuli kwa kuunga mkono North Korea. China ni muhimu kwa mzozo wa Korea
Ikiamua kumuunga mkono dogo Kim Jong Un, US na washirika kama Japan, S.Korea wana tatizo
c)Kuna mzozo wa South China Sea. Hadi sasa Philipine imeungana na China. Katika hali ya kutoelewana US ipo katika nafasi ya kupoteza kimasilahi kuliko ilivyo sasa
d)Mzozo wa Kidiplomasia utaunganisha China , Iran , Russia naTurkey inayoelekea mashariki na kuweka umoja wa NATO katika mazingira tata kuliko ilivyo sasa
3. Itakapobainika vinginevyo, washirika wa US hasa Ulaya watakuwa na misimamo yao na si ya pamoja kama nchi za NATO. Ulaya haiwezi kukubali kuingia katika mzozo wa Kidiplomasia uliosababishwa na Trump na si Marekani bila maongezi
Allie wa Marekani watakwenda 'solo' na hilo ni tatizo kubwa kwa uchumi na usalama
4. Hoja ya Blind Trust inayomhusu Trump itapata mashiko zaidi
Tusemezane
Nguruvi3
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El Jefe
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Sir, the following statements you quoted are not contradicting each other, they are in fact complimenting each other.
The study that came up with a 3 million illegals figure was a nationwide study, not specific to any state. The study can be discredited by many but it may not necessarily mean it is wrong.
Pew Research conducted their own study and found out that approximately 24 million (1 in 8) voter registrations in the US are no longer valid or are significantly inaccurate.
Ignoring these irregularities, we have the election results the way it is. The last quote is my statements with regards to the election results in its current form.