East African Federation (EAF) public Views

East African Federation (EAF) public Views

David Kintu
SAVE UGANDA FROM COLLAPSE

Uganda’s Yoweri Kaguta Museveni remains the single most enigmatic leader in the East African region today, a man whose single minded focus and burning ambition for power has very profoundly impacted the great lakes region. The impact of that grandiose ambition is so profound, that millions have died in its wake in Rwanda, Uganda, and Congo/Zaire. Like Otto Von Bismarck, the famous 19th century Iron Chancellor of Germany, Museveni has often eschewed the soft power of democracy and elections, for the blood and iron of war and militarism in his attempts to achieve a grand vision of himself as master of the region stretching from the Kenyan and Tanzanians coasts on the Indian Ocean to the Atlantic Ocean in the Congo.

Catalyst for societal breakdowns
In his forays into Rwanda and the Congo, Museveni has either been the catalyst for violent societal breakdowns, or the sponsor of militias and proxies, in whose wake millions of lives have been lost. His attempt to repackage himself as an East Africanist intent on creating a strong federation should be understood in the context of a history of violence, anti-democratic practices and nepotism and sectarianism that would make Saddam Hussein blush.

Musveni’s initial success came from leading a successful rebellion of Uganda’s southern Bantu ethnic groups against the northern Luo-Nilotic/Hamitic order that began with the ascension of Milton Obote to power in 1962. Southern Ugandans put up with a quasi-military regime and Museveni’s one-man show because they regarded him as a liberator who had returned peace, and their cultural traditions back to them. Museveni has never been able to cross that ethnic divide to co-opt the non Bantu peoples of northern and Eastern Uganda. More recently southern Ugandans have begun to chafe as he has concentrated power within his Bahima sub-ethnic clan thus frittering away his traditional power base. Uganda is ripe for change; it is now Museveni and his myriad armies that stand in the way of that change.

The recent arrest of opposition leader Kizza Besigye on trumped up charges, as well as the unveiling of paramilitary units with infantile names such as Black Mambas to terrorize the judiciary and the population at large, are the latest indicia of the extent to which Museveni is willing to go to remain Emperor of Uganda. Museveni has continued to ride roughshod over the judiciary and the legislature, micromanaging everything from privatization, to who gets a passport renewed. Institutions and civil society are weak or non-existent. This one man charade has been going on while the donors watch in silence.

Most ominously, Museveni has been consolidating military control under himself by creating paramilitaries under the command of his brother Salim Saleh and his son Muhoozi. The entire military high command is composed of his fellow Bahima Generals in a country of over 50 tribes. Parliament is stocked with NRM Members of Parliament, and just for good measure, the military also has Members of Parliament who also toe the government line. Nowhere in East Africa has political and military power been so dominated by one family and one tribe as in present day Uganda.


Watershed for Ugandan politics
The return from exile of Uganda’s opposition leader, Mr. Kizza Besigye, to contest the presidential and parliamentary elections in 2006 has been a watershed event for Ugandan politics forcing the Ugandan dictatorship to reveal its true nature. Besigye’s triumphant return and strong demonstration of political muscle as evidenced by the huge crowds he drew in a “meet the people” tour, demonstrated such widespread support all across Uganda that the Kampala dictatorship is now forced to show the world who they really and truly are; a bunch of crude political players intent on clinging to power at all costs.

His support in Buganda is in doubt, and he is certainly in trouble in his native Ankole, where ethnic tensions between his minority Bahima and the majority Bairu (roughly analogous to the Tutsi-Hutu situation in Rwanda/Burundi) are coming to a head. Elsewhere in Uganda, he has little or no support, which is why all eyes are now on the military with its Bahima top heavy structure. The arrest and humiliation of Kizza Besigye was meant to convey absolute power and control but instead, it has concentrated attention on the nature of the despotic, tribal, nepotistic regime.

So, as we approach political seasons in East Africa that are meant to usher in a new era of realizing the long elusive East African federation, the Big Man in Kampala is focused with laser like intensity on the job that will make him the most powerful man in East and Central Africa. For Ugandans this is a do or die period for the dictator must go, but he controls all the means of coercion and the donors are on his side. We need our East African brothers to stand side by side with us so that together we can create a beacon of hope in Africa by successfully creating an African economic powerhouse to lift our 110 million people out of poverty. We need Kenyans and Tanzanians to send an unmistakable message to the Ugandan dictator that no matter what happens in Uganda Yoweri Museveni will not be allowed to become president of the East African federation come 2013.

Email: DKintu@aol.com

Mr Kintu is a Ugandan living in the diaspora
 
I wish tanzania were as able as USA, we would have sent a lot of suport to the opponents of Mseven such as Kiiza besigye to dismantle his leadership before this Hima Tutsi empire gets rooted.

I wish i were Bush i would have sent a trained mercinery to uganda to finish him for it is written a death of one person than of the majority.

I concur with you mr NajiVunia, that to be the reason why and how quick could burundi and rwanda be admitted as members by surprise!!!.

let tanzania be strong for ever.
 
Ndugu Mkenda,

I see that you want those that believe “from the heart” to convince you. I believe, but not from the heart. I am not even sure that I have one. See how you like this anyway:

We are singly too small a market to attract much attention. The community, as a single market, is more attractive to investment. A market with 100 million consumers has a lot more negotiating clout than three disjoint markets with a third of the customers each.

The East African Tourism Market is enormous. It is beneficial for us to have a common policy on such things as pricing and environmental protection, than to compete among ourselves.

Within an East African Community, you, Mr. Mkenda, will have the whole of Nairobi, Dar and above all, Kampala, as your playground. That, I submit, bits having Kariakoo only as your home ground.

I do not know what you do for a living, but whatever it is, I am sure you will agree with me that it is beneficial to you to be able to do it not only in Tanzania, but within anywhere in East Africa.

Augustine Moshi

Mr Moshi,
I can careless about East African Tourism market, since Kenyans claim and advertise Mt.Kilimanjaro is in Kenya.Honest speaking Kenyans and Ugandans are selfish and self centered people.
I live in the States, working in Energy field(Exxon Mobil) if you are familiar with that.Through my career path I met a lots of Kenyans and Ugandans........most of them are self centered.
I think Tanzanians we have different ways of approaching things and we get a long very well(no Ukabila and ish).
I.E: Not a while there was a rumor about Mr Museveni trying to convince Mr.Kibaki to move on with EAF talk without Mr Kikwete on the table. That shows a lot about people characters.

Tanzania,Kenya and Uganda(within countries) have a lots of Issues needs to be cleared b4 we can even consider about East African Federation.
Tanzanians we can do bad/better by ourselves.
I am against EAF 1000%.

Read between your lines "Mr. Mkenda, will have the whole of Nairobi, Dar and above all, Kampala, as your playground. That, I submit, bits having Kariakoo only as your home ground"...I dont get it!!!!!!

Anyway have a bless day.
 
i concur with you my former speaker. if you look at their arguments in defferent forums, you will discover that immediately. look at mwananchi.com they have been spreading the provocative issues towards tanzanians you cant believe.

further more wherever these people are, they boast as to be the best guys in east african Community.

the solution of this is to ignore them, perhaps they will learn something.
 
mimi ni m tz nasoma chuo kikuu hapa kampala uganda,by the way maada za EAF huwaga hazikwepeki kwenye instutions kama hizi iwe darasani, mtaaani na kokote kule, na hususani course nayosoma[public admn] na wanafunzi wenzangu.
Ila kuna kitu hawa jamaa siwaelewi, ukumuuliza sebo au nyabo yoyote yule kwanini fast track towards EAF? jamaa roho safi hawana hata aibu,, wanajisemaea wazi[ata wakenya pia] kuwa wanataka io ili waje kupata kazi bongo,,......!!!!! jamani waungwana ivi bongo kuna kazi kweli?? na wanalilia kweli kweli mbaka mimi naogopa jamani.
Jamani ni kweli katika dunia ya leo ya utawazi sisi kama nchi maskini tuna hitaji kuwa na jumuia ambayo ni strong na ambayo itatatea maslahi ya wananchi wake, ni kweli tuanahitaji kuwa na soko kubwa la pamoja na vitu ka hivyo, lakini jee ndivyo akina " museveni" na wenzie wantaka iwe hivo?
Kwa wale mliobahatika kusoma falsafa ya Karl Marx mtanisaidia au pengine mtanielewa vizuri zaidi... Marx anazungumzia kuhusu vvitu viwili ambavyo ni vya msingi sana.. the sub srtucture au wanaita foundation na cha pili ni super structure,, yaani kuwa sub structure i.e economic factors ndizo zitakazo determine the super structure yaani politics, government, values ,traditon etc kwa hio cha msingi hapo ni sub structure au foundation afu mengine yatafuata,..
kimsingi kwa upeo wangu mdogo wa kufukiri naona Marx hakukosea hata kidogo, na huo ndio ukweli.. asa kama ni hivo kwanini hatujakubaliana kimsingi na kutekeleza policy zetu za kiuchumi kwanza na kukimbilia siasa?mimi nadhani nimkweli kuna haja "pengine" na kuwa na federation lakini si mapema kihivo.
 
i concur with you my former speaker. if you look at their arguments in defferent forums, you will discover that immediately. look at mwananchi.com they have been spreading the provocative issues towards tanzanians you cant believe.

further more wherever these people are, they boast as to be the best guys in east african Community.

the solution of this is to ignore them, perhaps they will learn something.



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Pressure on Kikwete to act on graft
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Published on October 14, 2007, 12:00 am

By Ernest Mpinganjira

When the gathering political storm in Tanzania reaches a crisis, President Jakaya Kikwete might be forced to do the unthinkable– sacrifice bosom friend, Prime Minister Edward Lowassa.

The public views the premier as the embodiment of graft in the Government, which the President cannot tame.

Jakaya has come under pressure in the past two months to purge "rotten eggs" from his stable. Among the donor community, he is anything but not in charge.

The Government was last week thrown into panic after Western development partners demanded action on runaway corruption, failing which they threatened to withhold financial support pending the arrest and prosecution of the culprits.

Donors have warned that Tanzania, which has a hole in its $5.8 billion budget, risks aid cuts for failing to rein in graft.

The prospect of aid cutback elicited angry response from Foreign Minister, Mr Bernard Membe, who demanded that the envoys stop meddling in Tanzania’s affairs.

Matters were worsened when he threatened to expel foreign envoys who recently threatened to halt development funding pending investigation of fraud allegations.

The standoff between Tanzania and donors had a ring of the controversy between Kenya and its development partners, during which aid was withheld for more than 14 years from 1992.

Sources told The Sunday Standard that a Cabinet reshuffle looms in which key Kikwete allies, including Lowassa, are likely to be relieved of their duties.

He added that the public is concerned that the Government has failed to quell ethnic clashes in the west where scores of people have been killed.

The media have been directed not to report the bloodbath in Kagera "to maintain a good image of the country abroad".

The Opposition has taken the cue from the public and given the Government one-month ultimatum to institute investigation into fraud allegations and quell ethnic cleansing or risk countrywide civil disobedience.

Opposition parties – Chadema, Tanzania Labour Party (TLP), NCCR-Mageuzi and Civic United Front (CUF) – announced on Monday plans to organise demonstrations to force the Government to come clean on graft allegations.

President’s son in financial rip offs

Word on the streets in Dar has it that the reshuffle could be on the cards soon after the national elections of the ruling Chama Cha Mapinduzi (CCM) next month.

To cushion himself against potential retribution, opposition leaders said, Lowassa involved the president’s son in one of massive financial rip offs in which the taxpayer lost huge sums of money through faulty tendering of Tanzania Electric Supply Company (Tanesco) for the procurement of emergency power generators last year.

The expensive equipment turned out to be second-hand. They stalled just months after they were commissioned, plunging the country into darkness and limited production hours.

The public is also concerned over the dumping of the junk presidential jet for which the Exchequer paid $44 million — more than twice the actual cost of a new aircraft. The jet is not in use, barely six years since it was bought.

There is also the matter of Bank of Tanzania (BoT) that is set to cost the taxpayer $340 million; with experts saying the figure is 10 times above the actual cost. The president is accused of being aware of the scams but failing to act as his henchmen have huge stakes in them.

This is a new experience for Dar es Salaam, which is beginning to feel the heat after donors demanded transparency in public expenditure.

The demand was prompted by the compilation and circulation of a ‘List of Shame’ by the Opposition, which indicts Lowassa, Kikwete’s son and wife, businessman and MP Rostam Aziz–who bankrolled Kikwete’s election in 2005).

But the Director of Communications Salva Rwayemamu dismissed the ‘List of Shame’ as ‘A List of Lies’. Rweyemamu, a journalist, who used his position as managing editor at Habari Corporation to campaign for Kikwete, admitted on Tuesday that BoT was indeed under investigation.

Civil disobedience is an alien concept in Dar and would never have been contemplated as a means of protesting at State culpability. Political unrest is also rare, save for occasional flare-ups at election time.

But this time round, senior Cabinet members are under scrutiny as an increasingly restless public question the Kikwete administration’s inability to fight poverty and corruption.

As a sign of the a gathering storm, Cabinet ministers going round the country to ‘explain’ the budget to the electorate were heckled as wananchi complained of rising cost of food, fuel and unemployment.

The level of public discontent is unprecedented and the opposition has rolled out civic education to sensitise the public.

empinganjira@yahoo.com
 
I always get surprised at the heat I generate on JamboForum. I wish I were a kenyan the way I am portrayed by some nervy bloggers

The truth is tanzania has a rotten government and I will keep fighting the rot until it's rooted out. we cannot pretend to look the way when the president is doing nothing. the scandals he has been involved in while on trips abroad make the scandals in kenya and uganda like child's play.

If I had a chance, I would publish the scandals here so we can all know who we have at state house. however, social decency counsels me not to.

further, tanzanians must learn to think outside the box. while uganda and kenya are open societies (in every sense of the word) ours is a closed society. if indeed tanzanians were industrious, doesn't surprise out leaders that in just five years, kenya has been able to double its GDP while tanzania's has been shrinking.

It Ok to be patriotic, but it be fouded on sound basis. if Kenyans leaving abroad can send home US$1.5 billio p.a (over and above what IMF and WB can ledn them) aren't thye patriotic enough. Ugandans in diaspora send home over US$800 million p.a. Tanzanians would rather stay home and complain while our neighbours are making rapid progress.

Let's truth be told: when and where did kenya advertise Mt K'njaro unless this is in our imagination?

From my confort zone in Mbeya town, I salute Zitto Kabwe and Wilbroad Slaa.
 
I always get surprised at the heat I generate on JamboForum. I wish I were a kenyan the way I am portrayed by some nervy bloggers

The truth is tanzania has a rotten government and I will keep fighting the rot until it's rooted out. we cannot pretend to look the way when the president is doing nothing. the scandals he has been involved in while on trips abroad make the scandals in kenya and uganda like child's play.

If I had a chance, I would publish the scandals here so we can all know who we have at state house. however, social decency counsels me not to.

further, tanzanians must learn to think outside the box. while uganda and kenya are open societies (in every sense of the word) ours is a closed society. if indeed tanzanians were industrious, doesn't surprise out leaders that in just five years, kenya has been able to double its GDP while tanzania's has been shrinking.

It Ok to be patriotic, but it be fouded on sound basis. if Kenyans leaving abroad can send home US$1.5 billio p.a (over and above what IMF and WB can ledn them) aren't thye patriotic enough. Ugandans in diaspora send home over US$800 million p.a. Tanzanians would rather stay home and complain while our neighbours are making rapid progress.

Let's truth be told: when and where did kenya advertise Mt K'njaro unless this is in our imagination?

From my confort zone in Mbeya town, I salute Zitto Kabwe and Wilbroad Slaa.


Jambo Ernest,

This is exactly what Kenyans have been stating all along. We are not at war (verbal of course) with our Tanzanian brothers; what amazes us is how Kenya is portrayed by the press and commentary in this blog,; that we are untrustworthy( US is even worse), we are poor (although we fund 95%of our budget, estimated at US10.4 Billion), that we are tribalists (although there have been ethnic skirmishes in Kagera, i however salute TZ on this one-i was in Machame (Mkoa wa Kilimanjaro) yesterday and was impressed by the inhabitants of that area), that we are boastful( not really, it's just the need to put food on the table that has forced us to be more agressive-remember the Israelis are very forceful because of their historic circumstances), that we are nyangaus ( This is a historic description on the back of ideological differences, although on reflection, we are grateful to Mzee Kenyatta for having taken us through the capitalistic path), that we are corrupt, and our government is very correupt (Yes, the press exposes these issues, and they should NEVER stop it. This is indeed a generic problem accorss Africa and the best and sensible way forward is for the press to highlight such misdeeds. That is the only way to scare off these corrupt networks, and even you, Ernest, are at liberty to uncover any corruption happening in Kenya, because how else do we, as a country, improve if we do not hear your voices as journalists?) That Kenyans only go to Tanzania to create wealth and repatriate it to their motherland ( I come from Taveta, Kenya, and there is a huge number of Tanzanians who own shops, work in farms and home support-they specifcally come from Kilimanjaro, Pare Mountains and Usambara )- And i am not bringing up this issue so that the Kenyan police will harrass them, far from it because we have trully lived like brothers and sisters. And even among these imigrants, we have several who have committed murders, rape, and theft, but each case is treated on its own), and that our political landscape is very noisy and scaring ( Remember in Italy and South Korea , MP's literally exchange blows, and Americans are most abusive in the Senate-but has this made their country unlikeable? The answer is an emphatic NO. We, Africans, with our peace, and silence keep on going to these same countries to beg for alms).

Definitely, Kilimanjaro is not part of Keya and it never will be, the only issue here is that one gets a very good view of Kilimanjaro from the Amboseli National Park. Let us look at this issue from a synergistic point of view; Kenya may advertise viewing of Mt. Kilimanjaro, and the tourists who come to view it will be enticed to climb it, and this will be a win-win situation in that both countries will generate income-the same way we have the wildbeests that stradle across our two countries from the months of April to October.

It is however unanimous; East Africans do not want the Federation soon, and this view must be respected across the board. The status quo therefore must remain.

Lastly, i like the way the debate is progressing, adressing real issues, identifying problems, weaknesses and strenghts in our countries, and seeking solutions on how best to address them. Remember, Africa will only be developed by Africans themselves as evidenced by our current experience in Kenya. We have moved forward in leap and bound within an incredibly short period because we have resorted to look inward-look at the internal resources to generate wealth, with a long time view of funding our own budget and hence reduce poverty, external meddling into our affairs etc. And even now, we are just about to go into a general election and the kind of President we desire to take us to the next level has to be an economic freedom fighter: Party, tribe, notwithstanding.
 
Ernest Mpinganjira and Mnene

Welcome at Jambo Forum, at least now people will ask you questions directly rather than hiding behind your East African magazine throwing missiles without another party getting a feel of where it lands. Feel free to join us HERE as well.
 
I always get surprised at the heat I generate on JamboForum. I wish I were a kenyan the way I am portrayed by some nervy bloggers

The truth is tanzania has a rotten government and I will keep fighting the rot until it's rooted out. we cannot pretend to look the way when the president is doing nothing. the scandals he has been involved in while on trips abroad make the scandals in kenya and uganda like child's play.

If I had a chance, I would publish the scandals here so we can all know who we have at state house. however, social decency counsels me not to.

further, tanzanians must learn to think outside the box. while uganda and kenya are open societies (in every sense of the word) ours is a closed society. if indeed tanzanians were industrious, doesn't surprise out leaders that in just five years, kenya has been able to double its GDP while tanzania's has been shrinking.

It Ok to be patriotic, but it be fouded on sound basis. if Kenyans leaving abroad can send home US$1.5 billio p.a (over and above what IMF and WB can ledn them) aren't thye patriotic enough. Ugandans in diaspora send home over US$800 million p.a. Tanzanians would rather stay home and complain while our neighbours are making rapid progress.

Let's truth be told: when and where did kenya advertise Mt K'njaro unless this is in our imagination?

From my confort zone in Mbeya town, I salute Zitto Kabwe and Wilbroad Slaa.

Having read your articles on Tanzania on numerous occassions, I am in shock about your revelations today.
No one here is defending a rotten government system. In my view a government or Chama cha Siasa are quite distinct from a nation state and its people. You seem to be fixated in hating Tanzania and its people than anythingelse, which is why I am terribly shocked by what you have stated in your posting above. Could it then be construed that you are driven by similar interests as those of the Aldrich Ames, Robert Hansen or Kelly Warren?
 
Having read your articles on Tanzania on numerous occassions, I am in shock about your revelations today.
No one here is defending a rotten government system. In my view a government or Chama cha Siasa are quite distinct from a nation state and its people. You seem to be fixated in hating Tanzania and its people than anythingelse, which is why I am terribly shocked by what you have stated in your posting above. Could it then be construed that you are driven by similar interests as those of the Aldrich Ames, Robert Hansen or Kelly Warren?

This guy is Kenyan the way he has explained the issues, if he is not then he partial descedant of Kenyan original. We have been fighting against our rotten government and on the matter of Kilimanjaro please do not make me say something forbiden on this Jamboforums is it because you leave in "Mbeya" that you never heard that Kenyans have been advertising that Kilimanjaro is their mountain? Are you puppet of Kenya?
 
I always get surprised at the heat I generate on JamboForum. I wish I were a kenyan the way I am portrayed by some nervy bloggers

The truth is tanzania has a rotten government and I will keep fighting the rot until it's rooted out. we cannot pretend to look the way when the president is doing nothing. the scandals he has been involved in while on trips abroad make the scandals in kenya and uganda like child's play.

If I had a chance, I would publish the scandals here so we can all know who we have at state house. however, social decency counsels me not to.

further, tanzanians must learn to think outside the box. while uganda and kenya are open societies (in every sense of the word) ours is a closed society. if indeed tanzanians were industrious, doesn't surprise out leaders that in just five years, kenya has been able to double its GDP while tanzania's has been shrinking.

It Ok to be patriotic, but it be fouded on sound basis. if Kenyans leaving abroad can send home US$1.5 billio p.a (over and above what IMF and WB can ledn them) aren't thye patriotic enough. Ugandans in diaspora send home over US$800 million p.a. Tanzanians would rather stay home and complain while our neighbours are making rapid progress.

Let's truth be told: when and where did kenya advertise Mt K'njaro unless this is in our imagination?

From my confort zone in Mbeya town, I salute Zitto Kabwe and Wilbroad Slaa.


you say you prefer to be a kenyan, because tanzania has a rotten government!, well and what was it, and where were the kenyans for all, that period of moi, until the book of This Time Tommorrow was written. didnt they shut their buttocks down like bull dunkeys watching at their mother's child playing, or what about in uganda where so far they are still silenced! do you also prefer Tanzania to uganda?

you coward, is tanzania not better off in democracy and responsible government comperred to kenya your fevarate country, will you do the same if i give you the data about good rankung on the issue at hand if tanzania is over Kenya? I mean on rottness of the government? are not fighting to be above that data here at JF?

tell me you the resident of mbeya, did you see what and how the mbeya residents reacted over these leaders with a lot of promise, if no; I personally am still in mbeya, let us make a contact and prove you that you are a lost bretheren

my suprised fellow, what makes you suprised, when at last you give bravo! to Dr. Slaa and Zitto, are they not Tanzanians, or I am mistaken they are Kenyans? and what steps have you taken to pass the same journey. i mean do you do the same or you wait people to die for you. every body should carry his cross! is that not what jesus said


don't sit down waiting the government to fascinate you, you have to ask yourself, what are you, and what can you do that you and another person can not fall in such circumstance you hate. wake up, nothing you lose rather than your chain.
 
Uchafu kama huo hapo juu utaupata wapi kama sio Nairobi?
Ndio kuna uchafu nairobi and no one is denyung that, but one thing you have to know , slums cover less than 5% of the total land area of the city of nairobi,,,,, yes just 5% including kibera that alot of you guys like mentioning, the rest is clean, that is why nairobi was recently given the award for the cleanest city in africa!!!!!!!!!!!


Hayo mapicha kwenye web ni ya wazungu ambao wameifanya Nairobi ghetto lao la kupumzika wewe ukimaliza kazi unakimbilia Mathare au Kibera kwenye vibanda. Majengo yote hayo yanamilikiwa na wazungu. AMKA NDUGU.

Wacha kudanganya watu , if that is what you have been telling yourself to make you feel better, my friend i feel sorry for you,,,,, most of those buildings are kenyan owned,,,,,,,,,,,yes black kenyan desighned and built by the sweat and hard work of black kenyans........A ti ghetto ya wazungu!!!!!!!!! pliz. I am a very proud nairobian and african and i hate when bkack people think that all clesn beautiful areas are built made by white prople

Mnapenda shirikisho kwani wazungu wamewakaba kooni
Wazungu gani rafiki yangu, do you even know how many white people live in kenya,,,pleese educate yourself before comming up with such wild claims
hamuwezi kukohoa afueni yenu ni kututongoza lakini sisi tumekataa. Ule uongo wa miaka nenda rudi wa nyie kuwa na mbuga nzuri za utalii utakwisha na ndoto yenu ya kuwa na Serengeti au Kilimanjaro haitakuwa kweli.
So tanzania could do better economically if people knew kilumanjaro was in TZ ???????????
Sifia kilicho chako. Hebu uliza nani anamiliki hayo majengo uliyoweka? Just curious,
Kenyans black kenyans......Here is a list of the top 20 tallest building io our beautiful Capital and who owns them

1. Times Tower [New Central Bank Complex..] 1 140 m 38 1997-The government of kenya yes the black governmeny2. Kenyatta International Conference Centre 5 105 m 32 1974 -The government of kenya
3. NSSF Building 103 m 28 1973-The funds in the social security fund of hard working bkack kenyans4. I & M Bank Tower 3 99 m 18 2001 Indian bank
5. Government Office Conference Hall 98 m 32 1972 The government of kenya 6. Provincial Headquarters 84 m 27 1982 The government of kenya
7. Cooperative Bank House 1 83 m 25 1981 a black kenyan bank
8. National Bank House 82 m 21 1976 a black kenyan bank9. Anniversary Towers 80 m 26 1992 sijui
10. Lonrho House 1 80 m 22 1990 The KCB pensions funds also a black bank11. Reinsurance Plaza 77 m 20 1982 A black kenyan insuarance firm
12. Uchumi House 71 m 21 1972 A bkack kenyan supermarket chain
13. ICEA Building 69 m 19 1981 Sijui
14. International House 1 66 m 17 1971 Mr cuyrus Kirubi, a black kenyan15. Hilton Hotel 2 61 m 20 1969 American
16. Electricity House 60 m 18 1974 The government of kenya
17. Treasury Building 48 m 15 1980 The government of kenya
18. Union Towers 48 m 14 1977 sijui
19. Hotel 680 47 m 14 1972 sijui
20. Bima House 45 m 13 1973 The government of kenya
I can go on and on, let me leave it at that for today
Next time get your facts straight


Ukija Dar nitakwambia Tunamiliki sisi wenyewe majengo yetu sio vibaka kutoka Ulaya. Tulipigania uhuru tuwe huru sio watumwa wa rangi nyeupe mtaendelea kutawaliwa.[/QUOTE]

Hakuna mtumwa kenya....
 
Mnairobi

So what's your point? You would have given us the population of Kibera and Mathare Vs Nairobi. Not forgetting the calamity of your brothers and sisters in those areas.
 
My point Dua is that you should stop portraying kenya as a country of foreighners where every black person kisses the white mans ass, this is absolutely not the case, there are many black succesful people in kenya who have worked hard to have nairobi and kenya where it is today. We black people should be proud of each others archivements instead of pissing on each other, that is why the rest of the world is moving foward while we are still fighting. About how many people live in slums, its huge 40%, indeed very sad. Its due to more of a housing shortage than poverty because the poverty level in the city is about 23% only. The governent has started to clear the kibera slum by replacing it with some decent apartments but its taking too damn long. So my point again, we have huge challenges in Africa, lets look for ways to solve the rather than attack each other.
 
My point Dua is that you should stop portraying kenya as a country of foreighners where every black person kisses the white mans ass, this is absolutely not the case, there are many black succesful people in kenya who have worked hard to have nairobi and kenya where it is today. We black people should be proud of each others archivements instead of pissing on each other, that is why the rest of the world is moving foward while we are still fighting. About how many people live in slums, its huge 40%, indeed very sad. Its due to more of a housing shortage than poverty because the poverty level in the city is about 23% only. The governent has started to clear the kibera slum by replacing it with some decent apartments but its taking too damn long. So my point again, we have huge challenges in Africa, lets look for ways to solve the rather than attack each other.

I like the approach to presentation of your arguments, even where the facts seem questionable.

There is no denying the fact that Kenya is among the most unequal societies in the world; yes in the world, not only in Africa.In fact it is the third most unequal in terms of worth distribution among the population. This is in accordance with The Society for International Development classification. Central Province gets the lions share of the cake.
 
My point Dua is that you should stop portraying kenya as a country of foreighners where every black person kisses the white mans ass, this is absolutely not the case, there are many black succesful people in kenya who have worked hard to have nairobi and kenya where it is today. We black people should be proud of each others archivements instead of pissing on each other, that is why the rest of the world is moving foward while we are still fighting. About how many people live in slums, its huge 40%, indeed very sad. Its due to more of a housing shortage than poverty because the poverty level in the city is about 23% only. The governent has started to clear the kibera slum by replacing it with some decent apartments but its taking too damn long. So my point again, we have huge challenges in Africa, lets look for ways to solve the rather than attack each other.

Can you show me where I potrayed Kenya as a country of foreigners? Where every black person kisses the white men's ass?

We know for sure as you rightly pointed out that the population of 40% living in the slums is not accepted after almost 40+ yrs of independence. There isn't any type of those slums in any part of Africa except Nairobi. Why?

You would have given us a favour by highlighting the facts and conditions of those areas and the way your Government propose to tackle rather than painting a colourful city where the benefactors are almost foreign. Another thing which you forget is the activities of Nairobi Stock Exchange where the majority of owners aren't our brothers and sisters but the elite group. These are the issues which will change the abject poverty of our fellow africans when addressed properly. Now where is your analysis to change the trend?
 
KWA MTINDO HUU WA KENYA TUTAFIKA KWELI?

Binafsi nimekuwa nikifuatilia sana masuala haya ya uchanguzi wa kenya, Tanzania na hata Uganda vipindi vyote vya uchaguzi. Hii hali ya Kenya inatia wasiwasi kama kweli Bw. Mwai Kibaki na Museveni wana nia kweli ya kuwa na shirikisho la afrika mashariki. Kwani moja ya sababu zilizoua jumuiya mwaka 1977 ni kukosekana kwa utashi wa kisiasa(political will) kitu ambacho kwa sasa bado nakiona,japo wananchi wana utashi huo wa kisiasa(people's political will). Kama tunakaa madarakani kwa kadhia namna hii je tukiwa na shirikisho,huyo Rais wa shirikisho sijui tutampataje, sijui tutakuwa na chadema ya afrika mashariki, sijui tutakuwa na ccm ya afrika mashariki,hata nashindwa kupata jibu. Mgombea tutampataje?

Najaribu kufikiria kama tutampata kwa kutumia vyama,mwisho wa siku tutachinjana na kama sio kuchinjana tutarudi kule kuwa na nchi moja moja,kwani shirikisho likifanikiwa sisi tutakuwa watu wa kwanza duniani kuvunja dola(uwepo wa jamhuri zetu) na kuwa nchi moja kitu ambacho hata ulaya hakijawahi kufanyika.Hivi sasa tu wenzetu Rwanda wana zero tolerance to corruption sisi ndio kwanza tunaimba nyimbo. Sasa wana JF mie najiuliza hili shirikisho tunalolitaka tunataka sifa tu mbele ya jumuiya ya kimataifa au tuna nia ya dhati?

Wazee kama kina Museveni,Kibaki n.k wanatakiwa wafike mahali wang'atuke kama alibyofanya mwalimu ili wabakie na sifa yao,kuliko kuondoka kwa historia chafu. Sasa nimeamini kwa nini wanaharakati wa kenya na waandishi wa habari waliompigia sana debe kibaki kuingia madarakani mwshowe walikuja andika kitabu kiitwacho " NEVER AGAIN" Naam wana JF tafuteni kitabu hivi maudhui yake yanalingana sana na "UONGOZI WETU NA HATIMA YA TANZANIA. Tanzania nako kinachoendelea sasa ni Never Again na tunachosubiri ni kuhukumiwa na hiki kitabu cha UONGOZI WETU NA HATIMA YA TANZANIA. Kitabu hiki nakiona kama ni utabiri au ufunuo aliopewa Nyerere juu ya mwisho wa hatima ya Tanzania. Naam hata Tanzania hakuna political will kwa mambo ya zanzibar,sasa tufanyeje? tuendelee kufunga ndoa nyingine?

Swali jingine, hivi sasa hivi ambavyo hatuna shirikisho la kisiasa tunakosa nini kikubwa? na swali la tatu je tukiingia kwenye shirikisho tutakuwa tumeongezewa nini?

Mapendekezo yangu ni shirikisho la kiuchumi lakini si la kisiasa, bora kila watu wafe na za kwao.

Augustoons
 
Umeongea vizuri lakini huwezi kumuondolea Nyerere lawama ya wizi wa kura Zanzibar 1995.Nyerere ndiye aliyepiga simu kuidhinisha wizi wa kura according to his "national interest" reasons ku-evade a constitutional crisis baada ya Komandoo kumpigia magoti.

Sema yote lakini Nyerere naye alitu-Kibaki kivyake na wala hawezi kutajwa katika misemo ya wanamapinduzi kuhusu kukemea wizi wa kura na ufisadi.
 
Kama nakumbuka sawasawa, tulipokuwa katika harakati za mwanzo za Uhuru, wenzetu wa Kilimanjaro na wenzeu wa Tanga waliwahi kudai serkali za majimbo. Kusema kweli, Kilimanjaro walitayarisha hata bendera yao. Nafikiri hii ilikuwa moja ya sababu nyingi nyinginezo, zilizomwacha Mwalimu JKN kuwashughulikia Watemi wa kikabila.
Ukabila ukiendekezwa sana una athari nyingi sana. Na hiyo ndio sababu ya kupigwa vita endelevu mpaka hii leo.

Kwa fikra zangu, naona huu Utanzania, Ukenya, Uganda na kadhalika, hauna tofauti sana na ukabila tulioukataa awali. Ili tuweze kusonga mbele zaidi, iko haja tukafika mahali nao tukaupiga vita. Hatuwezi kuwatenga leo hii, Wagogo na Wahehe wakipigania ng'ombe zao mathalani. Tuseme wasiwemo katika kundi la Watanzania kwa sababu ni watu wa fujofujo au wezi. Tunaendelea kuungana nao kama Watanzania wenzetu na kuifanya ile shida yao kuwa ni shida yetu. Tunakaa chini na kuitafutia dawa.

Inawezekana, ndani ya shirikisho letu la Afrika ya Mashariki, tukapata ufumbuzi wa vita za Rwanda na Burundi, kwa mfano. Na inawezekana pia ndani ya shirikisho hilo, ubabe wa M7, MK na JK ukalegezeka badala ya kuongezeka.

Kama PNC imeiba kura, ni nani kati yetu atakayesema CCM haiibi kura, japo kwa takrima na vitisho vya kutembezewa mikong'oto? Hii haiwezi kuwa sababu nzito ya kuacha kuunda shirikisho letu. Kuvunjika kwa Jumuia ya Afrika Mashariki ya awali hakukusababishwa kwa udhuru mmoja. Hata Mwalimu JKN naye alisababisha kwa kukataa kula sahani moja na Nduli. Vikao kadhaa vya Jumuia vilishindikana, maneno maneno yakaendelea mpaka mipaka ikafungwa, tukahitimisha kwenye Vita ya Kagera. Kama ni kung'ang'ania madaraka, CCM haing'ang'anii? Nikilinganisha faida na hasara za Shirikisho la Afrika Mashariki, naona faida zinazidi mizania. Sioni sababu kwa nini tusiwe nalo. Kama kuna matatizo, tusiogope kuyakabili na kuyadhibiti. "It can be done, play your part." by JKN.
 
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