East African Federation (EAF) public Views

[Kassam]

A reply to TZpide.

Where is the problem, Kenyans here in Tanzania are only a symptom of malpractises in the government. No good reason to hate Kenyans who have overtaken our jobs. After all its not only Kenyans, we have the so called "Watanzania wenye asili ya Asia" in thousands. How do they get in Tanzania? Who allow them if not our own men in the government? Have you been to TRA or most government institutions and see how they serve you Tanzanian as compared to a foreigner?

The wages of sin is death! I do believe the problem to EAF for Tanzanians is lack of patriotism in the leadership itself. Tanzanians are much worried that if the situation now without EAF is horrible what will happen when all doors are open? Who'll be answerable to the much worse situation anticipated? The very same system that has let us down now? We were promised immigrants problem will be sorted soon when Jk entered to presidency. What has happened so far? They caught the Somalis on their way to RSA, they did absolutely nothing to the illegal immigrants working here.

My view is that, government in Tanzania has failed to serve its own people better, they are talking of Burundi and Rwanda while ordinary people have no idea of whats not happening. They already know waht has happened, that is gross negelect by the government when you talk about immigrants problems.

What was promised to Tanzanians in the privatization process and what is happening to Tanzanians working in these companies, can you even compare? What happens when gvt officials visit these companies? Its a colossal failure!

Who cares? Its a nadir of apathy. The only thing that has improved since privatization is growth in economic statistics, in real life its terrible. People are indeed afraid not of Kenyans, but the Tanzania govenment. Every problem is politicized nothing happens practically. We are ending up with good statements, promises from officials but nothing is done.

Tanzania leadership should think of dividing Tanzania into Federation, all other gvt leaders should request a permit to visit Dar es Salaam and state their reason to stay in Dar that people are closer to their leaders than it is now.
Thanx.

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Don't even think of coming down here, we have alot of Kenyans a.k.a Nyang'aus already greedly roaming around. One thing you need to know, Kenyans are so self centred. I'm personally a victim of Kenyan discrimination; I worked for a Kenyan company with almost 90% kenyans of the same tribe. These ppl are surely arrongant, selfish and foreign culture worshipers- you would think they are British, they way they treat you if you dont speak english! They belielive intelligence resides in english language. Njonjo descendant!

I cant imagine have ferderation with these ppl, civil war is inevitable.

 

[Kassam]

A reply to TZpide.

Where is the problem, Kenyans here in Tanzania are only a symptom of malpractises in the government. No good reason to hate Kenyans who have overtaken our jobs. After all its not only Kenyans, we have the so called "Watanzania wenye asili ya Asia" in thousands. How do they get in Tanzania?

Who allow them if not our own men in the government? Have you been to TRA or most government institutions and see how they serve you Tanzanian as compared to a foreigner? The wages of sin is death! I do believe the problem to EAF for Tanzanians is lack of patriotism in the leadership itself. Tanzanians are much worried that if the situation now without EAF is horrible what will happen when all doors are open?

Who'll be answerable to the much worse situation anticipated? The very same system that has let us down now? We were promised immigrants problem will be sorted soon when Jk entered to presidency. What has happened so far? They caught the Somalis on their way to RSA, they did absolutely nothing to the illegal immigrants working here.

My view is that, government in Tanzania has failed to serve its own people better, they are talking of Burundi and Rwanda while ordinary people have no idea of whats not happening. They already know waht has happened, that is gross negelect by the government when you talk about immigrants problems. What was promised to Tanzanians in the privatization process and what is happening to Tanzanians working in these companies, can you even compare? What happens when gvt officials visit these companies? Its a colossal failure! Who cares? Its a nadir of apathy.

The only thing that has improved since privatization is growth in economic statistics, in real life its terrible. People are indeed afraid not of Kenyans, but the Tanzania govenment. Every problem is politicized nothing happens practically. We are ending up with good statements, promises from officials but nothing is done.

Tanzania leadership should think of dividing Tanzania into Federation, all other gvt leaders should request a permit to visit Dar es Salaam and state their reason to stay in Dar that people are closer to their leaders than it is now.
Thanx.

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Don't even think of coming down here, we have alot of Kenyans a.k.a Nyang'aus already greedly roaming around. One thing you need to know, Kenyans are so self centred. I'm personally a victim of Kenyan discrimination; I worked for a Kenyan company with almost 90% kenyans of the same tribe. These ppl are surely arrongant, selfish and foreign culture worshipers- you would think they are British, they way they treat you if you dont speak english! They belielive intelligence resides in english language. Njonjo descendant!

I cant imagine have ferderation with these ppl, civil war is inevitable.

 

[Unregistered]

I don't its really hate, just an experience, may be a bitter one since he found how difficult it was for him to intergrate. It is an experience I have head time and again from tanzanians who have worked in kenya. some have lost their lives! Tanzanians are very welcoming, ask any kenyan who has lived in tz. So it must be a shock to find the opposite in Ke.

So, we have a lot of uncommons that need to be ironed out before this fed thing. One basic of which is how to accomodate the other, both at individual level and finally at national level.

As a kenyan who has lived in tanzania, id say you are greatly mistaken! Experience has nothing to do it. It's more like borderline psychotic dread. Trust me, no kenyan would wish to live in Tz under such treatment so ferget all this talk about an 'invasion'..you will scare them all away!

Lemme tell y'all kenyans that some (not all but very few) so called 'elite' (wasomi) Tanzanian's contempt and hatred towards kenyans knows no bounds.. its a mixture of morbid fear & envious abhorrence. You can tell it in their eyes, you know.... evil look with a glint of admiration and envy. While kenyans usually dont bother with anything tz they have a quiet fanatical curiosity about all things kenyan and always comparing and wondering why they dont measure up...Now thats something they wont admit to!! yeah, its true.

What i have observed is that the so called 'arogant, self centered, mannerless etc' kenyans who the tanzanians have come to hate are also hated by kenyans! They happen to be a small cabal of young juvenile fools who fraternize with tanzanians (both in tz & ke) coz no self respecting kenyan would bear to be with them! That also expalins why tanzanians in these pages are mostly elderly highly respected elites (journalists & univ lectureres etc) while kenyans here are mostly young college students or jobless bums (like yours truly, kicked out of tz).. an apples & oranges thing.

Ama kwa kweli hamna chuki na tharau dhidhi ya wakenya kama ule wa wasomi wa bongo!

 

[MtuKwao]

...... Tanzanian's contempt and hatred towards kenyans knows no bounds.. its a mixture of morbid fear & envious abhorrence. You can tell it in their eyes, you know.... evil look with a glint of admiration and envy.....
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If this is the kind of opinion you can give, then I am sure this person would like to measure up to me!

Typical way most Kenyans have been wired to think. Its either we are smarter than them or if we are not, brag as loudly as possible about being smarter than them mentality!

Due to upbringing, Kenyans are smart in some professions, including thieving! So thieves in Tanzania would want to measure up to the advanced Kenya in that respect. Moreover, it depends on who the "unregistered" company in Tanzania is.

The unregistered would present a more rounded opinion if he could suggest anything Kenyans are trying to measure up to Tanzanians. If there arent any, then, i dont blame you, its the upbringing, you know.

So, may I also say you are quite mistaken. I live in Dar es Salaam and i am yet to meet a Kenyan whom I cant measure up to and exceed. But there could be, just as there are some tanzanians in kenya kenyans can't measure up, and vice versa. I could give you examples of course, but then bragging is not part of our culture, its not even african, its foregn.

To think all Tanzanians are trying measure up to kenyans is absolute rubbish!

 

[Unregistered]

Watanzania nataka niwape siri ya uchumi wa kenya na hayo wanayoyasema ni mambo ya zamani.

Tangia mwaka 1963-1973, uchumi wa kenya ulikua kwa 6.6%. Baada ya hapo uliazna kuporomoka na hadi mwaka 1996, uchumi ulikua kwa asilimia 4 tu. Mwaka 2000 uchumi wa kenya ulikua kwa asilimia -2.5% wakati wetu ulikuwa kwa asilimia 6.8, kiasi ambao hata wao hawajawahi kukifikia throughout the life of their nation. Mwaka huu walikuwa wame predict uchumi wao kukua kwa asilimia 5.8 lakini wameweza kufikia 4.9%. Maana yake nini? Wanahitaji recovery and they have failed big time with their government caught up in internal civil war.

Kwa hiyo madai yao kwamba wana uchumi mkubwa ni ya kizamani na kwa sasa tunapoingia kwenye federation, in real terms, they are underdogs. Biashara zao ni ndogondogo tu za kuuza magazeti na colgate za mzungu.
Wanasema eti wana wansayansi. Uongo mtupu kwa sababu kenya haijawahi kugundua chochote na hawana patent yoyote wakati TZ mwaka huu zimefika 20.

Kwa watanzania nafikiri cha kufanya ni kuwaruhusu wakenya hao waje ili tuwanyonye sisi kwa kuwa wakati sisi tumekuwa tukisonga mbele, wamekuwa wanarudi nyuma.

Period

 

[Unregistered]

If this is the kind of opinion you can give, then I am sure this person would like to measure up to me!

Typical way most Kenyans have been wired to think. Its either we are smarter than them or if we are not, brag as loudly as possible about being smarter than them mentality!

Due to upbringing, Kenyans are smart in some professions, including thieving! So thieves in Tanzania would want to measure up to the advanced Kenya in that respect. Moreover, it depends on who the "unregistered" company in Tanzania is.

The unregistered would present a more rounded opinion if he could suggest anything Kenyans are trying to measure up to Tanzanians. If there arent any, then, i dont blame you, its the upbringing, you know.

So, may I also say you are quite mistaken. I live in Dar es Salaam and i am yet to meet a Kenyan whom I cant measure up to and exceed. But there could be, just as there are some tanzanians in kenya kenyans can't measure up, and vice versa. I could give you examples of course, but then bragging is not part of our culture, its not even african, its foregn.

To think all Tanzanians are trying measure up to kenyans is absolute rubbish!

LOL!! Humour me!! see what kenyans are up against? I call it FEAR laced with traces of inferiority complexities. NOBODY is saying kenyans are smarter!! Or that all tanzanians are trying to measure up. we are all the SAME any way you cut it. Hell, i figure you are waayyyyy smarter than me and most kenyans!! Honest. And believe me im NOT trying to be sarcastic or anything, just a thought. Nor am i resorting to profanity.. far from it. Just keeping it real.Thats all.

What i was refering to (please re-read ma post) is that on average, the kenyan is not bothered about tanzania or what it does or what it has. On the other hand, SOME elitist tanzanians are so keen on things kenyan esp the negative. Notice how quick they readily dish out stuff (some grossly off-the mark)..eg tribalism, economic down turn, slum life, flying toilets, poverty levels etc in their posts. Dont get me wrong, kenyans dont mind the truth with some exergerations about them to be told but dont you see it as ironic that all kenyans see in tanzanians are what they are..beautiful peace loving people! You and i know that's not exactly the case but, hey, whos counting!

Another thing is that chances are that the arogant kenyan you are 'measuring youreself up to' in dar doesnt measure up to much anywhere. chances are that he is a SOB who couldnt 'measure up' at home and is looking for a place to survive. If you must know, contrary to popular belief, dar is not a 1st choice destination for most kenyans. Thats the truth.

Come on, ive done the dar circute... you need us since the education system cannot support the growing manpower demands of the economy na huu si maringo mbali ni ukweli. For now we are all you got. Not for long though. I see china mabbe indian filling in for the kenyans since i see you deporting all of them soon. (Watu-kwao au sio?)

LOL i bet you must be seething and rearing to have a go! bring it on!

 

[Unregistered]

"I am Kenyan and after reading all the crap you think about us, Tanzania is the last place I want to visit or live on earth. You are welcome to live in Kenya. We do not hate anybody."

So, Tanzanians opinions are a crap, what about Kenya's opinions? By the way who started to downgrade the others? Kenyans are dangerous people, very self centred and arrogant. I hate most of them. They think they are right in everything. They think they know everything. They think they are clever. They think they are the most enterprising people in this part of Africa. They despise others. Who want to live in Kenya? Unless someone is mad can think of lgoing to settle in Kenya.

 

[MtuKwao]

LOL!! Humour me!! see what kenyans are up against? I call it FEAR laced with traces of inferiority complexities. NOBODY is saying kenyans are smarter!! Or that all tanzanians are trying to measure up. we are all the SAME any way you cut it. Hell, i figure you are waayyyyy smarter than me and most kenyans!! Honest. And believe me im NOT trying to be sarcastic or anything, just a thought. Nor am i resorting to profanity.. far from it. Just keeping it real.Thats all.

What i was refering to (please re-read ma post) is that on average, the kenyan is not bothered about tanzania or what it does or what it has. On the other hand, SOME elitist tanzanians are so keen on things kenyan esp the negative. Notice how quick they readily dish out stuff (some grossly off-the mark)..eg tribalism, economic down turn, slum life, flying toilets, poverty levels etc in their posts. Dont get me wrong, kenyans dont mind the truth with some exergerations about them to be told but dont you see it as ironic that all kenyans see in tanzanians are what they are..beautiful peace loving people! You and i know that's not exactly the case but, hey, whos counting!

Another thing is that chances are that the arogant kenyan you are 'measuring youreself up to' in dar doesnt measure up to much anywhere. chances are that he is a SOB who couldnt 'measure up' at home and is looking for a place to survive. If you must know, contrary to popular belief, dar is not a 1st choice destination for most kenyans. Thats the truth.

Come on, ive done the dar circute... you need us since the education system cannot support the growing manpower demands of the economy na huu si maringo mbali ni ukweli. For now we are all you got. Not for long though. I see china mabbe indian filling in for the kenyans since i see you deporting all of them soon. (Watu-kwao au sio?)

LOL i bet you must be seething and rearing to have a go! bring it on!

Ignore! Ignore!

 

[Unregistered]

Wow! U Tznias have notcame upwith anything against EAC apart from hate to the hateless Kenyas.Only one "Proud of the past" has done it.The problemwith u guys is u keep listening to the wrong pple.If indeed u feelt agrieved as u cont to do in 1977 then what have done since then.Ug begun in 1986.Rwa in 1995 & Buru in mean Yeasterday.So whats the heck is the problem wihu gys.

There is a strong presenceof Tznians here some of them in biz, politics and even media but they do not reason with hatethe way u guys downtown do.
Since it is not Edu bcos Kenyas have came from ur Univrsities and tackled the world head on ,I there4 conclude it is This responsibilty uve put on Ur shoulders of defending this amani of urs the way u defended the socialism.May Ppl like Obbo r right in saying u dont question ur gava whatssoever bcos u love Jk so much.

 

[MtuKwao]

http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/africa/6123832.stm

And you love Kibaki a lot otherwise how could you still keep him with all this?

Yes, we love Kikwete, thats why we elected him. He is our president. He has been around for just a year, not enough to start hating him.

But, just curious, why so much interest in Kikwete? Are Kenyans threatened somehow, by Kikwete? At least TZs are not talking about Kibaki.
Why?

 

[Unregistered]

Wow! U Tznias have notcame upwith anything against EAC apart from hate to the hateless Kenyas.Only one "Proud of the past" has done it.The problemwith u guys is u keep listening to the wrong pple.If indeed u feelt agrieved as u cont to do in 1977 then what have done since then.Ug begun in 1986.Rwa in 1995 & Buru in mean Yeasterday.So whats the heck is the problem wihu gys.
There is a strong presenceof Tznians here some of them in biz, politics and even media but they do not reason with hatethe way u guys downtown do.
Since it is not Edu bcos Kenyas have came from ur Univrsities and tackled the world head on ,I there4 conclude it is This responsibilty uve put on Ur shoulders of defending this amani of urs the way u defended the socialism.May Ppl like Obbo r right in saying u dont question ur gava whatssoever bcos u love Jk so much.

You Kenyans, We do not want to be infected by ukabila and corruption that has eaten Kenyan society to its core. Kenya for Kenyans, Uganda For Ugandans and Tanzania for Tanzanians!

 

[Unregistered]

hey guys stop fighting, eaf has to be there no matter what u will discuss in this page!!

 

[Unregistered]

You Kenyans, We do not want to be infected by ukabila and corruption that has eaten Kenyan society to its core. Kenya for Kenyans, Uganda For Ugandans and Tanzania for Tanzanians!

Unfortunately capitalism will bring greed and corruption in Tanzania. These are just the side effects of this monster called CAPITALISM. You see all these vices in Kenyans, but let me promise you, if not Kenyans, somebody else will introduce these vices and you will not like it. There is corruption in Kenya, corruption in USA, Corruption in Naigeria Corruption every damn where. It is human nature. What differenciates every kind of corruption are the checks and balances that are put in place to curb it. We the people of Kenya are painfully putting these checks and balances in place and twenty years down the line, we shall look back and smile.

To the Kenyans, I DO NOT think we need this union. We are not on the same level of understanding and Tanzanians will need some time to catch up, and by the time they catch up with greed curruption and all that, we shall be tackling other more pressing problems in our lives.

 

[Unregistered]

East Africa Federation

Let me start by saying that, most of the comments from Kenya if not all would like this federation, ask them why? They will come with same explanation and comments all the time about the benefits of this federation.

Who knows better about true union? (Tanganyika & Zanzibar formed Tanzania, so ask yourself). Majority of Tanzanians know the pros and cons, so our Nyangaus should ask themselves Kulikoni?

Its true, Nyangaus benefited a lot from the former EAC and they saw the results at that time which they continued to enjoy until today, I remember Kenya took the aircrafts from EAA and one aeroplane was detained in TZ for some time. So they know very well that things will go their way as the old days.

Unfortunately the Nyangaus preaches that TZ is very poor, ask yourself who is poor? The person who buys your commodity? Most of the Kenyan products are sold in TZ, in other words amongst the biggest trading partner in the region. If for sure TZ is so poor does the Nyangau feed this poor population of TZ? Do they bring these goods free of charge?

TZs pay for these goods, how they pay is non of anybodys business, we had this same story about being poor or whatsoever, but remember the Katrina hurricane in USA, the Americans failed to cope with it for some time. Right now people are afraid of the Chinese economy but few years ago it was a different story .. communists blab bla bla..

We have big problems in the border between Kenya and TZ in Mara region where people are killing each other and stories coming from Kenya of tribal killings, AK47 being sold in markets, failure of good governance and sanitation problems in Nairobi (Unavailability of toilets the only way is to put your goods in a plastic bag) (Mind you this is not my words from your fellow Kenyan who was bombarded with plastic bags in the morning) and other towns, rich and civilised Kenya cannot sort these problems out eh? But would like to sort-out TZ economic or whatever you call it, Rwanda and Burundi internal conflicts and not forgetting M7 failure to control his northern part of Uganda where children brandish AK47 since he took power etc. Dont cheat yourself?

At the moment after a long help to our brothers and sisters to liberate them from colonialism its time to build our country as the saying goes charity begins at home. (Not forgetting one dictator in Uganda) Nyangaus and the like should just go on with their business. Our programme to eradicate poverty in our country does not need Nyangaus, M7 or any other as right now we are in control of our own destiny.

The majority of Tanzanians do not wish this Fed to happen because we know the history, and normally history repeats itself. Kenya and any other friendly countries should first sort out their own problems before embarking on bigger things which are beyond their means.

Ask the supporters if they know the mandate of this Federation? No.
Where is this hidden constitution? Nobody cares.
Who made it? Does it really matter.
I hope its not a secret, unless its a constitution for secret dealings..well. If all the above arent clear why all the fuss..

Regards

MTZ001

Am confused???? you call Kenyans "Nyangaus" then you refer to Kenyans as friendly "Kenya and any other friendly countries..." anyway it is good that you have portrayed your ignorance; in seriatim:

- by saying that kenyans are poor yet they are the ones selling goods and services to TZ..... i wonder what your business acumen is like.... who makes the money/profit????... The buyer or the seller?

- You also raise the point of Kenya and TZ border "We have big problems in the border between Kenya and TZ in Mara..... " dont you think that with the EAF all 3 countries would be able to come up with an amicable solution for the kind of problems you are raising??? particularly regarding insecurities within our borders???? ahh.. i forget you are being a numbskull and short sighted!!!!
TZ has so much resistance to change... i would like to see you in 10 years time when you are again left behind because history repeated itself!!!!

Balozi

 

[Unregistered]

You kenyans and tanzanians . You both disgust me.All you have been doing is trying to put each other down, all of you trying to fool yourselves that you are better than the other.

The reality is you are both lepers trying to tell the other that their leprosy is worse than yours.two beggars trying to convince the other beggar you are richer just because you have a few cents in your pan.The truth of the matter is both countries have the highest poverty rates, highest corruption rates, highest prevalence of HIV and AIDs, highest chil poverty rates.Run down economies battered by poor governance, innefficency and low productivity rates.This is the curse of africa. you blacks africans are here insulting each other while indians, whites, chinese and other foreigners who own your industries are busy trading and takin your money to send it back to their home countries.This is very sad, all i see is just young africans who should think of how they will seize their economies from foreigners and establish a region where black africans control their destiny.

Arguing on false assumptions is rampant in this forum, open your eyes what you pride yourselves in is just a mirage and the sophistication the kenyans boast about is a dream to the millions who live in slums, the progress you tanzanians are claiming is just for the few elitist folks and is not a realization of the ordinary tanzanian in kariakoo.You waste your time mkipiga gumzo, mabeberu will take their time kuwanywa mrija.

Black people unite! treat each other with respect! i haven't seen any asians in this forum arguing, you know why coz they are busy making money off you silly guys,amkeni mwende kazini, keep off this cheap talk and if you guys want to throw insults at each other , take a pause and think whio is really screwing you the african is it your kenyan brothers ?, is it you tanzanian brothers? no its the foriegn bastards ,so reset your targets and love your african brother coz when the shit drops the white folks will not welcome you as refugees in his country you will run to your black neighbouring country.Tupendane tusichukiane maana sisi wote ni waafrika.

 

[TzPride]

You kenyans and tanzanians . You both disgust me.All you have been doing is trying to put each other down, all of you trying to fool yourselves that you are better than the other.The reality is you are both lepers trying to tell the other that their leprosy is worse than yours.two beggars trying to convince the other beggar you are richer just because you have a few cents in your pan.The truth of the matter is both countries have the highest poverty rates, highest corruption rates, highest prevalence of HIV and AIDs, highest chil poverty rates.Run down economies battered by poor governance, innefficency and low productivity rates.This is the curse of africa. you blacks africans are here insulting each other while indians, whites, chinese and other foreigners who own your industries are busy trading and takin your money to send it back to their home countries.This is very sad, all i see is just young africans who should think of how they will seize their economies from foreigners and establish a region where black africans control their destiny. Arguing on false assumptions is rampant in this forum, open your eyes what you pride yourselves in is just a mirage and the sophistication the kenyans boast about is a dream to the millions who live in slums, the progress you tanzanians are claiming is just for the few elitist folks and is not a realization of the ordinary tanzanian in kariakoo.You waste your time mkipiga gumzo, mabeberu will take their time kuwanywa mrija.Black people unite! treat each other with respect! i haven't seen any asians in this forum arguing, you know why coz they are busy making money off you silly guys,amkeni mwende kazini, keep off this cheap talk and if you guys want to throw insults at each other , take a pause and think whio is really screwing you the african is it your kenyan brothers ?, is it you tanzanian brothers? no its the foriegn bastards ,so reset your targets and love your african brother coz when the shit drops the white folks will not welcome you as refugees in his country you will run to your black neighbouring country.Tupendane tusichukiane maana sisi wote ni waafrika.

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Dear wise man/woman,
Your neutrality will not help. There is an issue on the table, ppl have to discuss to resolve it. You say we are downputting each other!- mmh not really. Wat's being done here is trying see how compatible we are for Federation. You know wat happened on 1977?

Our fathers assumed that it could work easily, but mmmh...they forgot Njonjo's behaviour would tear it apart. Do you know why Tzs are so catious about Kenyans? The fall of the previous thing was attributed to these fellas behaviour- downlooking others.Do you think Tzs do not see economic benefits of the thing? No, no...their much concern is, should they sacrifice their peace for economic grwoth? I can assure you with Kenya's current sitaution, EAF civil unrest will be inevitable.

Dear Tzs, Kes and Ugs let us forget federation and concentrate on eradicating the pressing problems in our respective countries. However, Uganda and Kenya can go ahead with federation and Tz left out. Tz knows wat it means to live in peace and harmony among her ppl. This "Fast tracking" the thing will definetely revisit the 1977 stupidity.

I WISH I WOULD REPRESENT MY COUNTRY'S OPINION...mmh Mungu saidia tuepukane na mtego.

 

[TzPride]

You kenyans and tanzanians . You both disgust me.All you have been doing is trying to put each other down, all of you trying to fool yourselves that you are better than the other.The reality is you are both lepers trying to tell the other that their leprosy is worse than yours.two beggars trying to convince the other beggar you are richer just because you have a few cents in your pan.The truth of the matter is both countries have the highest poverty rates, highest corruption rates, highest prevalence of HIV and AIDs, highest chil poverty rates.Run down economies battered by poor governance, innefficency and low productivity rates.This is the curse of africa. you blacks africans are here insulting each other while indians, whites, chinese and other foreigners who own your industries are busy trading and takin your money to send it back to their home countries.This is very sad, all i see is just young africans who should think of how they will seize their economies from foreigners and establish a region where black africans control their destiny. Arguing on false assumptions is rampant in this forum, open your eyes what you pride yourselves in is just a mirage and the sophistication the kenyans boast about is a dream to the millions who live in slums, the progress you tanzanians are claiming is just for the few elitist folks and is not a realization of the ordinary tanzanian in kariakoo.You waste your time mkipiga gumzo, mabeberu will take their time kuwanywa mrija.Black people unite! treat each other with respect! i haven't seen any asians in this forum arguing, you know why coz they are busy making money off you silly guys,amkeni mwende kazini, keep off this cheap talk and if you guys want to throw insults at each other , take a pause and think whio is really screwing you the african is it your kenyan brothers ?, is it you tanzanian brothers? no its the foriegn bastards ,so reset your targets and love your african brother coz when the shit drops the white folks will not welcome you as refugees in his country you will run to your black neighbouring country.Tupendane tusichukiane maana sisi wote ni waafrika.

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Dear wise man/woman,
Your neutrality will not help. There is an issue on the table, ppl have to discuss to resolve it. You say we are downputting each other!- mmh not really. Wat's being done here is trying see how compatible we are for Federation. You know wat happened on 1977?

Our fathers assumed that it could work easily, but mmmh...they forgot Njonjo's behaviour would tear it apart. Do you know why Tzs are so catious about Kenyans? The fall of the previous thing was attributed to these fellas behaviour- downlooking others.Do you think Tzs do not see economic benefits of the thing? No, no...their much concern is, should they sacrifice their peace for economic grwoth? I can assure you with Kenya's current sitaution, EAF civil unrest will be inevitable.

Dear Tzs, Kes and Ugs let us forget federation and concentrate on eradicating the pressing problems in our respective countries. However, Uganda and Kenya can go ahead with federation and Tz left out. Tz knows wat it means to live in peace and harmony among her ppl. This "Fast tracking" the thing will definetely revisit the 1977 stupidity.

I WISH I WOULD REPRESENT MY COUNTRY'S OPINION...mmh Mungu saidia tuepukane na mtego.

 

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Dear wise man/woman,
Your neutrality will not help. There is an issue on the table, ppl have to discuss to resolve it. You say we are downputting each other!- mmh not really. Wat's being done here is trying see how compatible we are for Federation. You know wat happened on 1977? Our fathers assumed that it could work easily, but mmmh...they forgot Njonjo's behaviour would tear it apart. Do you know why Tzs are so catious about Kenyans? The fall of the previous thing was attributed to these fellas behaviour- downlooking others.Do you think Tzs do not see economic benefits of the thing? No, no...their much concern is, should they sacrifice their peace for economic grwoth? I can assure you with Kenya's current sitaution, EAF civil unrest will be inevitable.
Dear Tzs, Kes and Ugs let us forget federation and concentrate on eradicating the pressing problems in our respective countries. However, Uganda and Kenya can go ahead with federation and Tz left out. Tz knows wat it means to live in peace and harmony among her ppl. This "Fast tracking" the thing will definetely revisit the 1977 stupidity.

I WISH I WOULD REPRESENT MY COUNTRY'S OPINION...mmh Mungu saidia tuepukane na mtego.

Wiseman of stupidity? All you want is federation? Lack of understanding of freedom of speach? Since when have you in Kenya started to discuss political issues? The issue of unity did not start today read history before you come on this forum with your cheap politics.

There are people who write nonsense issues ignore them but there are good points being raised which you can not ignore. Tanzanians express their wishes freely anywhere anytime.

 

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Am confused???? you call Kenyans "Nyangaus" then you refer to Kenyans as friendly "Kenya and any other friendly countries..." anyway it is good that you have portrayed your ignorance; in seriatim:
- by saying that kenyans are poor yet they are the ones selling goods and services to TZ..... i wonder what your business acumen is like.... who makes the money/profit????... The buyer or the seller????
- You also raise the point of Kenya and TZ border "We have big problems in the border between Kenya and TZ in Mara..... " dont you think that with the EAF all 3 countries would be able to come up with an amicable solution for the kind of problems you are raising??? particularly regarding insecurities within our borders???? ahh.. i forget you are being a numbskull and short sighted!!!!
TZ has so much resistance to change... i would like to see you in 10 years time when you are again left behind because history repeated itself!!!!

Balozi

Tutakupeleka ngumbalu alafu urudi kwenye mjadala.

MTZ001

 

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Wiseman of stupidity? All you want is federation? Lack of understanding of freedom of speach? Since when have you in Kenya started to discuss political issues? The issue of unity did not start today read history before you come on this forum with your cheap politics. There are people who write nonsense issues ignore them but there are good points being raised which you can not ignore. Tanzanians express their wishes freely anywhere anytime.

keep up with the insults, it seems you don't understand the point, the wiseman is not against your freedom of speech,.it is obvious he is just pissed with the way you escalate,your talk into cheap politcs.discuss your differences with respect for each other, and u don't stone the neutral guy. he is mostly right though i do not agree with him on most issues,but he gets the point, hata kama hatuelewani tusifikie matusi, kwani huo si ustaarabu wa kiafrika.