Government to spend Sh65b in electrifying SGR by 2021

Government to spend Sh65b in electrifying SGR by 2021

Geza Ulole said:
I meant KRR

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TAZARA to triple profit margins
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Ukilinganisha na investment iliyowekezwa katika ujenzi na uendeshaji wa SGR ya Kenya, hakuna faida yoyote itokanayo na usafirishaji wa abiria, labda tusubiri tuone kama mizigo itatengeneza faida, ngoja uone mapato yake yalivyo:

1)Kwa siku inasafirisha 2500 Passengers @900pp= ~$22,000(capital invested $3.2B)

2)BRT kwa siku inasafirisha 200,000 passengers @650pp =$55,500 (capital invested, $340Million)
 
mwaswast said:
FACT: Simply because you have non to show ...Modern railway and modern trains are non existent in a country called Tanzania.
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poor you!!!!!!!
 
mwaswast said:
FACT: Simply because you have non to show ...Modern railway and modern trains are non existent in a country called Tanzania.
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That inflated stone age thing is what you call modern Railway?[emoji23] akili za jubilee,hazimwachi mtu Salama.
 
JPM jembe mqanangu. Tena kwa pesa za ndani. Wanakaribia Morogoro to Dodoma
 
nyangau mkenya said:
kenya is the only country in east africa with a functioning sgr ,electric tutafika tukipata maarifa
electric railway becomes fancy words when you do not have the technical capacity to run it.
hadi kwa sasa ethiopia sgr haijaanza kufanya kazi ,

Kenya diesel about 350 000 passengers transported since June 2017
Ethiopia electric barely 10 000 passengers since October 2016

whose smarter now???

jengeni yenyu electric kwanza ndo mje muongee mbaya
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We! Ethiopia has not started persenger services, Djibouti have been unable to provide electricity up to now...

Anyway, in my honest opinion, I don't think we need electric trains in the short and medium term, our cargo and persenger needs are manageable with diesel traction.

Anyway this is what happened. The initial feasibility done by crbc said kenya doesnt have enough reliable power.
When UG asked for finance, China told Ug that they must obtain a signed guarantee that kenya plans to link with UG.
UG in turn having the option of linking with Tz used that leverage to its advantage and gave Kenya the condition that if it were to link with Kenya rail, then Kenya must commit to electrifying the rail by the time the rail reaches Kampala such is by 2020-2021

Anyway as for now we bought 54 diesel cargo trains, the long term goes is to have 100 cargo trains once the rail is complete and 4 more ersenger trains so I gues those ones will be electric. In the feasibility study the also said current diesel traction has capacity for 4000t a train and total of approx 22 million tonnes a year, but after electrification and more powerful engines the capacity will be upto 35million tonnes a year. But currently we don't need all that capacity on our sgr as our port only handles about 28 million tonnes and we expect to carry between 40%-60% in the short and long term of all cargo via SGR with the rest going by road so once again we don't really need to upgrade in the short-term or medium-term
 
Kafrican said:
We! Ethiopia has not started persenger services, Djibouti have been unable to provide electricity up to now...

Anyway, in my honest opinion, I don't think we need electric trains in the short and medium term, our cargo and persenger needs are manageable with diesel traction.

Anyway this is what happened. The initial feasibility done by crbc said kenya doesnt have enough reliable power.
When UG asked for finance, China told Ug that they must obtain a signed guarantee that kenya plans to link with UG.
UG in turn having the option of linking with Tz used that leverage to its advantage and gave Kenya the condition that if it were to link with Kenya rail, then Kenya must commit to electrifying the rail by the time the rail reaches Kampala such is by 2020-2021

Anyway as for now we bought 54 diesel cargo trains, the long term goes is to have 100 cargo trains once the rail is complete and 4 more ersenger trains so I gues those ones will be electric. In the feasibility study the also said current diesel traction has capacity for 4000t a train and total of approx 22 million tonnes a year, but after electrification and more powerful engines the capacity will be upto 35million tonnes a year. But currently we don't need all that capacity on our sgr as our port only handles about 28 million tonnes and we expect to carry between 40%-60% in the short and long term of all cargo via SGR with the rest going by road so once again we don't really need to upgrade in the short-term or medium-term
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So, if your story is true what will happen with Uganda SGR which is expected to be electrical?, there must be some negotiation, either Kenya to electrify its rail, which is very expensive and not economical, or Uganda should build diesel rail like Kenya, but Uganda is not happy with diesel train because it is expensive to maintain
 
joto la jiwe said:
So, if your story is true what will happen with Uganda SGR which is expected to be electrical?, there must be some negotiation, either Kenya to electrify its rail, which is very expensive and not economical, or Uganda should build diesel rail like Kenya, but Uganda is not happy with diesel train because it is expensive to maintain
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I already said what UG told kenya as a condition for them to link with Kenya.
Ug has already compensated its citizens and cleared the land for their sgr to kenya, so you can guess the rest
 
joto la jiwe said:
Ukilinganisha na investment iliyowekezwa katika ujenzi na uendeshaji wa SGR ya Kenya, hakuna faida yoyote itokanayo na usafirishaji wa abiria, labda tusubiri tuone kama mizigo itatengeneza faida, ngoja uone mapato yake yalivyo:

1)Kwa siku inasafirisha 2500 Passengers @900pp= ~$22,000(capital invested $3.2B)

2)BRT kwa siku inasafirisha 200,000 passengers @650pp =$55,500 (capital invested, $340Million)
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Let me get this straight. You are comparing BRT to SGR?
Are you kidding me? You know SGR is nowhere near it's full capacity operation right? It's just one passenger train that has been in operation since launch in May. Just one. Let alone any cargo train which is yet to be launched
 
IamLee said:
Let me get this straight. You are comparing BRT to SGR?
Are you kidding me? You know SGR is nowhere near it's full capacity operation right? It's just one passenger train that has been in operation since launch in May. Just one. Let alone any cargo train which is yet to be launched
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One of the biggest mistakes that Kenya makes in many projects it carries is not to take enough time during planning phases, as the result many projects ends up unfinished or as white elephants.
What is new here which is difficult to know that the rail won't make any significant profit compare to BRT?, every thing is known, the capacity of your SGR is to carry maximum of 4000 tonnes per dar, which is about 200 containers per day, and each container you charge $500 to which is about $100,000 per day, lets assume that the volume of passengers will double, that will make $45,000 per day, if you combine total revenue is 145,000 per day.

BRT when complete is expected to carry 1M people a day, which is 650,000,000. Which is $288,888 per day. In other hand, Tanzania Sgr has the capacity of 10,000 tonnes per day which is about 500 containers, if we take the same charges as Kenya of $500 per container, it brings $250,000 per day. So don't try to deceive yourselves, before you implement anything you must make sure what are you going to get.
 
joto la jiwe said:
One of the biggest mistakes that Kenya makes in many projects it carries is not to take enough time during planning phases, as the result many projects ends up unfinished or as white elephants.
What is new here which is difficult to know that the rail won't make any significant profit compare to BRT?, every thing is known, the capacity of your SGR is to carry maximum of 4000 tonnes per dar, which is about 200 containers per day, and each container you charge $500 to which is about $100,000 per day, lets assume that the volume of passengers will double, that will make $45,000 per day, if you combine total revenue is 145,000 per day.

BRT when complete is expected to carry 1M people a day, which is 650,000,000. Which is $288,888 per day. In other hand, Tanzania Sgr has the capacity of 10,000 tonnes per day which is about 500 containers, if we take the same charges as Kenya of $500 per container, it brings $250,000 per day. So don't try to deceive yourselves, before you implement anything you must make sure what are you going to get.
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Could you plz list the so called white elephant projects?

Then your so called comparison is a stupid comparison which doesn't make sense, you are comparing a transport system between two cities over a long distance and a transport system within a cities metro region
The only scenario to compare Kenya's SGR is to compare it with traffic volume between two cities in Tz, like Dar-dodoma or dar-Arusha, how many persengers per day use that road...

And as for your BTR, we are also planning to have ours in nairobi metro region, now lets see the stats, at night the population within Nairobi is around 3million, during day the population rises to over 4 million!
That means over a million people make their way to CBD everyday, some on cars,others on bikes,others on foot, but a majority via public transport..

Close to 1.5m people use public transport to Nairobi everyday! We have not even counted the 1 million private cars roaming around within nairobi, vehicles which if there was a reliable alternative like BRT or LRT would be left home
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Kafrican said:
Could you plz list the so called white elephant projects?

Then your so called comparison is a stupid comparison which doesn't make sense, you are comparing a transport system between two cities over a long distance and a transport system within a cities metro region
The only scenario to compare Kenya's SGR is to compare it with traffic volume between two cities in Tz, like Dar-dodoma or dar-Arusha, how many persengers per day use that road...
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Good questions, Laptop per child and Greenfield terminal are just examples of unplanned projects, leave alone crude oil pipeline lost to Tanzania.

About comparison, my intention was just to show amount of investment committed against profit, that BRT is much more profit making project if you compare with Kenya SGR. Kwa sababu ile ya Tanzania haijakamilika nikiitaja mtatokwa na povu.

Lakini nimeitaja hapo mwisho kutoa picha halisi, kwamba tukichukulia kwamba hizi SGR mbili zitafanyakazi at their maximum capacities, kwa mizigo peke yake, ile ya Tanzania itatengeneza faida karibu mara mbili na nusu ya ile ya Kenya, kwa sababu kwa siku Tanzania inaweza kusafirisha 10,000 tonnes wakati Kenya ni 4000 tonnes. Au kwa lugha tofauti ni kwamba, SGR ya Tanzania itakuwa 2.5 times cheaper than that of Kenya
 
joto la jiwe said:
Good questions, Laptop per child and Greenfield terminal are just examples of unplanned projects, leave alone crude oil pipeline lost to Tanzania.

About comparison, my intention was just to show amount of investment committed against profit, that BRT is much more profit making project if you compare with Kenya SGR. Kwa sababu ile ya Tanzania haijakamilika nikiitaja mtatokwa na povu.

Lakini nimeitaja hapo mwisho kutoa picha halisi, kwamba tukichukulia kwamba hizi SGR mbili zitafanyakazi at their maximum capacities, kwa mizigo peke yake, ile ya Tanzania itatengeneza faida karibu mara mbili na nusu ya ile ya Kenya, kwa sababu kwa siku Tanzania inaweza kusafirisha 10,000 tonnes wakati Kenya ni 4000 tonnes. Au kwa lugha tofauti ni kwamba, SGR ya Tanzania itakuwa 2.5 times cheaper than that of Kenya
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Both laptop per child and greenfield projects are good projects, well thought out and planned, the problem is the tenderprenuers who must profit in everything, in my opinion we shoul demolish that jkia and build a greenfieldlike terminal...

Once again comparing brt and sgr, two complete different things, anyways actually when you think about it, SGR is much more profitable, when you say profit you are looking it at a mere face value the way a private company would, a government doesn't look at profit that way, a government looks at profit as easing cost of trading, doing business, lives that would benefit from the sgr.. In short in monitary value, businesses around and via SGR would contribute 1.5% to Kenya's GDP each year, do the math. Your BRT will make profits to the company, but its contribution to the economy will not be as significant as a rail crossing the country..

Anyway back to your brt, lets compare it with a busy route in nairobi metro.i.e Thika road.
Even b4 the b4 the 12 lane highway was built thika road was the busiest motorway in east and central africa with 70,000 vehicles per day, now its at over 100,000 vehicles per day

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Now lets say each vehicle will loose 4 persengers to the brt that's already 400,000 persengers to the brt...


And as for the rail comparison, you are missing some vital info, you are merely comparing 1 vs 1 train,
 
Kafrican said:
Both laptop per child and greenfield projects are good projects, well thought out and planned, the problem is the tenderprenuers who must profit in everything, in my opinion we shoul demolish that jkia and build a greenfieldlike terminal...

Once again comparing brt and sgr, two complete different things, anyways actually when you think about it, SGR is much more profitable, when you say profit you are looking it at a mere face value the way a private company would, a government doesn't look at profit that way, a government looks at profit as easing cost of trading, doing business, lives that would benefit from the sgr.. In short in monitary value, businesses around and via SGR would contribute 1.5% to Kenya's GDP each year, do the math
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Kama utakumbuka, hoja yangu ilikuwa ni kutokana na mipango mibovu wakati wa kupanga hiyo miradi huko kwenu, mingi inakuwa au haikamiliki au ikikamilika basi inakuwa ni hasara haileti value for money, hiyo miradi niliyokutajia, Uhuru Kenyatta mwenyewe alikiri kwamba hakuna sababu yoyote ya kujenga green field kwa sasa ni bora kuongeza njia ya pili ya kurukia ndege ambalo ndilo linalofanyika kwa sasa, unaweza kujiuliza, hivi ilikuwaje nchi haikulijua hilo mapema hadi ikafikia hatua ya ujenzi umeanza baada ya sherehe kubwa ya kuzindua mradi iliyoudhuriwa na rais yule yule ambaye miezi michache baadae anafuta huo mradi?, kwa kweli Kenya ukiifikiria kwa undani sana ni vichekesho vitupu. Miradi ya kukurupuka kama hiyo ni mingi sana, hiyo laptop for child, ni vichekesho tupu, ukiuliza nchi inataka kufikia lengo gani, utasikia hot air from mouths of politicians, no substance at all. Ukiuliza kwanini Kenya haikupanga Kujenga SGR ya umeme kutokea mwanzo, na kwanini hata miaka 3 haijaisha wanataka kuweka umeme, kwanini hilo hawakuliona mapema, utasikia blaaah blaah nyingi tu.
 
joto la jiwe said:
One of the biggest mistakes that Kenya makes in many projects it carries is not to take enough time during planning phases, as the result many projects ends up unfinished or as white elephants.
What is new here which is difficult to know that the rail won't make any significant profit compare to BRT?, every thing is known, the capacity of your SGR is to carry maximum of 4000 tonnes per dar, which is about 200 containers per day, and each container you charge $500 to which is about $100,000 per day, lets assume that the volume of passengers will double, that will make $45,000 per day, if you combine total revenue is 145,000 per day.

BRT when complete is expected to carry 1M people a day, which is 650,000,000. Which is $288,888 per day. In other hand, Tanzania Sgr has the capacity of 10,000 tonnes per day which is about 500 containers, if we take the same charges as Kenya of $500 per container, it brings $250,000 per day. So don't try to deceive yourselves, before you implement anything you must make sure what are you going to get.
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Dude, why do you like with your own invented figures and assumptions. When you man up, get the right stats come back and talk like a man. Not telling us that BRT is more viable than SGR, a billion dollar project. What makes you think experts would spend that amount for such a project besides, i thought BRT is supposed to be a non-profitable system put in place to ease city traffic. No2 you're here comparing it's profitability to Kenya's SGR. You're being insane.
 
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