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Straw man Logical fallacy.Inaonekana hiyo "CV" hujaisoma vizuri. Isome tena ujue shetani alitoka wapi/alikuwa wapi kabla ya kutupwa duniani.
Nakujibu maswali yako kama ifuatavyo:If Lucifer was created perfect and beautiful by God, why did he change and become Satan?
Was that creation perferct or Imperfect?
And if God is omniscient[All knowings] why couldn’t He foresee this Satan rebellion?
Does this suggest a limitation in God’s power or knowledge?
Yeap! Better this way, Than silence.Nakujibu maswali yako kama ifuatavyo:
1. If Lucifer was created perfect and beautiful by God, why did he change and become Satan?
Lucifer was created perfect and beautiful, but he had free will—the ability to choose between obedience and rebellion. His downfall was his pride and desire to elevate himself above God.
Lucifer’s change into Satan came from his own decision to rebel against God, not from any flaw in his creation.
- Ezekiel 28:15: "You were blameless in your ways from the day you were created till wickedness was found in you."
- Isaiah 14:13-14: "You said in your heart, ‘I will ascend to the heavens; I will raise my throne above the stars of God; I will sit enthroned on the mount of assembly... I will make myself like the Most High.’”
2. Was that creation perfect or imperfect?
Lucifer’s creation was perfect, as all of God’s works are. However, perfection includes free will, and with free will comes the potential for rebellion.
Lucifer's rebellion does not imply imperfection in his creation but demonstrates the misuse of his free will.
- Deuteronomy 32:4: "He is the Rock, his works are perfect, and all his ways are just. A faithful God who does no wrong, upright and just is he."
- Genesis 1:31: "God saw all that he had made, and it was very good."
3. If God is omniscient, why couldn’t He foresee this Satanic rebellion?
God foresaw Lucifer’s rebellion but allowed it as part of His sovereign plan, which ultimately glorifies His justice and mercy. Free will is necessary for genuine love and obedience, and God respects the freedom He has given His creation.
God’s knowledge of the rebellion does not imply He caused it but that He works all things—even rebellion—for His ultimate purposes.
- Isaiah 46:9-10: "I am God, and there is no other; I am God, and there is none like me. I make known the end from the beginning, from ancient times, what is still to come."
- Proverbs 16:4: "The Lord works out everything to its proper end—even the wicked for a day of disaster."
4. Does this suggest a limitation in God’s power or knowledge?
Not at all. God’s allowance of rebellion demonstrates His supreme power, as He uses even the actions of Satan to fulfill His divine purposes. His sovereignty and omniscience remain perfect.
God's power and knowledge are limitless, and even Satan’s rebellion serves to reveal God’s glory, justice, and mercy. Are we together?
- Romans 8:28: "And we know that in all things God works for the good of those who love him, who have been called according to his purpose."
- Job 1:12: "The Lord said to Satan, ‘Very well, then, everything he has is in your power, but on the man himself do not lay a finger.’”
I think the Egyptians might beg to differ...Do not employ him in any area of your life. Resist him, and he will flee. Instead, trust in Jesus Christ, who offers life, peace, and victory (James 4:7).
Haha! Usinivunje mbavu kwa ucheshi wako mwingi. Hata hivyo maswali yako yanajibika kama ifuatavyo:Dr. Satan!
Shetani kweli kasoma sana, hicho chuo kiko wapi na wahadhiri ni akina nani?
Je, alisoma pekee yake àu wdlikuwa wengi?
Tafadhali jibu haya maswali yangu kuna watu wanataka ku apply kusoma hapo.
Thank you bro, for pointing out Exodus 12:12. It is indeed a significant passage demonstrating God's sovereign authority and justice. However, this act of judgment is distinct from Satan's deceptive and destructive nature, as outlined in the "CV."I think the Egyptians might beg to differ...
For I will go through the land of Egypt on that night, and fatally strike all the firstborn in the land of Egypt, from the human firstborn to animals; and against all the gods of Egypt I will execute judgments—I am Yahweh.
Umeshawahi kumuona?Pale alipo anafurahi kuwa uko upande wake, amefaulu kukudanganya kuwa hayupo. Mkatae kwa Jina la Yesu.
In my book that barbaric act as portrayed (told in the story) shows neither compassion nor good heartedness..., and on that token I wont miss being a part of such draconian ways of life....Thank you bro, for pointing out Exodus 12:12. It is indeed a significant passage demonstrating God's sovereign authority and justice. However, this act of judgment is distinct from Satan's deceptive and destructive nature, as outlined in the "CV."
God’s Purpose vs. Satan’s Agenda: The plague in Egypt was God’s deliberate act of judgment against Pharaoh's oppression and Egypt's false gods. It was not Satan acting autonomously but Yahweh Himself demonstrating His power over Egypt's idolatry and bringing liberation to His people.
Exodus 9:16: "But for this purpose I have raised you up, to show you my power, so that my name may be proclaimed in all the earth." Satan, on the other hand, operates out of rebellion, seeking to deceive, destroy, and lead people away from God. The two purposes are fundamentally opposed.
Judgments Are God's Prerogative: As Creator, God has the sovereign right to judge His creation. He is holy, just, and righteous, and His judgments serve divine purposes of justice, redemption, and revelation of His glory. Deuteronomy 32:39: "See now that I myself am he! There is no god besides me. I put to death and I bring to life, I have wounded and I will heal, and no one can deliver out of my hand." Satan, however, has no authority to execute divine judgment. His acts of destruction are born of rebellion and malice, not righteousness or justice.
While God judged Egypt to set His people free, Christ’s mission was to save humanity from sin, death, and Satan’s power. Satan’s ultimate defeat is guaranteed through Christ’s victory on the cross. John 10:10: "The thief comes only to steal and kill and destroy; I have come that they may have life and have it to the full." Colossians 2:15: "And having disarmed the powers and authorities, he made a public spectacle of them, triumphing over them by the cross."
In summary, Exodus 12:12 reflects God's righteous judgment and His faithfulness to His covenant, not a contradiction of Satan's CV. It emphasizes the stark contrast between God's holy justice and Satan’s corrupt nature. Please, trust in Jesus Christ, who brings life and victory over all forms of evil, including Satan himself!
Kama unajua maana ya shetani inamaanisha unakubali kwamba yupo.Shetani hayupo
NWatu wengi wanamsikia Shetani, na wanaamini yupo, lakini hawajui yeye ni nani, alitoka wapi, anafanya nini na malengo yake ni nini. Ifuatayo ni “CV” yake. Imeandikwa kwa Kiingereza. Ukiona lugha iliyotumika ni ngumu, google translator itakusaidia kupata tafsiri ya Kiswahili:
Name: Satan (aka Lucifer, The Devil, The Accuser)
Objective:
To deceive, destroy, and enslave humanity through lies, manipulation, and sin.
“Academic” Qualifications:
- PhD in Deception and Lies: Expert in manipulating truth to achieve evil goals.
- Masters in Demonic Operations: Skilled in managing and deploying demons to oppress, torment, and mislead people (Mark 5:9).
- Bachelor of Witchcraft Collaborations (B.W.C): Partners with witchdoctors, mediums, and occultists to create spiritual bondage (Leviticus 19:31).
- LLB in Accusations: Specializes in presenting cases against believers before God, aiming to discredit their faith (Revelation 12:10).
- Certified Engineer in Destruction (Eng. Destruction): Designs traps to destroy marriages, relationships, and societies (John 10:10).
Background and History:
- Former Angel in Heaven:
I once held a high position as a beautiful and powerful angel (Ezekiel 28:12-15). However, I rebelled against God, seeking to exalt my throne above God’s (Isaiah 14:12-14). This rebellion led to my expulsion from heaven along with a third of the angels who followed me (Revelation 12:7-9).
Skills and Characteristics:
- Demonic Leadership:
Commands a vast network of demons to execute evil plans, torment individuals, and influence nations (Ephesians 6:12).- Occult Consultant:
Collaborates with witchdoctors, sorcerers, and false prophets to spread false teachings and enslave people in fear (Deuteronomy 18:10-12).- Expert in Division:
Sows discord in families, churches, and communities to hinder unity and progress (Proverbs 6:16-19).- Master Manipulator:
Twists God’s Word to confuse believers and lead them astray (Matthew 4:6).- Father of Lies:
Lies habitually to deceive mankind and separate them from God (John 8:44).- Tempter Extraordinaire:
Offers power, fame, and wealth to lure people into sin, only to destroy them later (Matthew 4:1-11).- Accuser:
Uses accusations to instill guilt and fear in believers, weakening their faith and hope (Zechariah 3:1).- Destroyer of Souls:
Works tirelessly to lead people to eternal destruction through sin and rebellion (1 Peter 5:8).- Masquerader:
Disguises as an angel of light to gain trust and deceive (2 Corinthians 11:14).- Collaborator with the Flesh:
Exploits human weaknesses, desires, and pride to tempt people into sin (Galatians 5:19-21).- Mastermind of Fear:
Uses fear to control minds and prevent people from living in faith and freedom (2 Timothy 1:7).- Cowardly Defeated:
Trembles at the name of Jesus and knows the ultimate destiny is the lake of fire (Revelation 20:10).
Work History:
- Garden of Eden, Genesis 3:
Successfully deceived humanity by twisting God’s words and appealing to pride.- Job’s Trials, Job 1-2:
Inflicted suffering on Job through accusations and destruction.- Rebellion in Heaven, Revelation 12:
Led an unsuccessful rebellion against God and was cast out with fallen angels.- Throughout Human History:
Actively worked through demons, witchcraft, and false religions to lead millions away from God.- Modern Times:
Influences media and technology to promote immorality, idolatry, and godlessness.
Sefree’s Attestation:
This "CV" is a truthful representation of Satan’s character, actions, and intentions. He was once in heaven but rebelled against God, leading to his downfall. Since then, he has used lies, fear, and manipulation to enslave humanity. Through demons, witchdoctors, and the twisting of God’s Word, he is to destroy all that is good. However, his ultimate defeat is certain, and his eternal destiny is sealed in the lake of fire (Revelation 20:10).
Do not employ him in any area of your life. Resist him, and he will flee. Instead, trust in Jesus Christ, who offers life, peace, and victory (James 4
Ninyi wanadamu viumbe wenyeWatu wengi wanamsikia Shetani, na wanaamini yupo, lakini hawajui yeye ni nani, alitoka wapi, anafanya nini na malengo yake ni nini. Ifuatayo ni “CV” yake. Imeandikwa kwa Kiingereza. Ukiona lugha iliyotumika ni ngumu, google translator itakusaidia kupata tafsiri ya Kiswahili:
Name: Satan (aka Lucifer, The Devil, The Accuser)
Objective:
To deceive, destroy, and enslave humanity through lies, manipulation, and sin.
“Academic” Qualifications:
- PhD in Deception and Lies: Expert in manipulating truth to achieve evil goals.
- Masters in Demonic Operations: Skilled in managing and deploying demons to oppress, torment, and mislead people (Mark 5:9).
- Bachelor of Witchcraft Collaborations (B.W.C): Partners with witchdoctors, mediums, and occultists to create spiritual bondage (Leviticus 19:31).
- LLB in Accusations: Specializes in presenting cases against believers before God, aiming to discredit their faith (Revelation 12:10).
- Certified Engineer in Destruction (Eng. Destruction): Designs traps to destroy marriages, relationships, and societies (John 10:10).
Background and History:
- Former Angel in Heaven:
I once held a high position as a beautiful and powerful angel (Ezekiel 28:12-15). However, I rebelled against God, seeking to exalt my throne above God’s (Isaiah 14:12-14). This rebellion led to my expulsion from heaven along with a third of the angels who followed me (Revelation 12:7-9).
Skills and Characteristics:
- Demonic Leadership:
Commands a vast network of demons to execute evil plans, torment individuals, and influence nations (Ephesians 6:12).- Occult Consultant:
Collaborates with witchdoctors, sorcerers, and false prophets to spread false teachings and enslave people in fear (Deuteronomy 18:10-12).- Expert in Division:
Sows discord in families, churches, and communities to hinder unity and progress (Proverbs 6:16-19).- Master Manipulator:
Twists God’s Word to confuse believers and lead them astray (Matthew 4:6).- Father of Lies:
Lies habitually to deceive mankind and separate them from God (John 8:44).- Tempter Extraordinaire:
Offers power, fame, and wealth to lure people into sin, only to destroy them later (Matthew 4:1-11).- Accuser:
Uses accusations to instill guilt and fear in believers, weakening their faith and hope (Zechariah 3:1).- Destroyer of Souls:
Works tirelessly to lead people to eternal destruction through sin and rebellion (1 Peter 5:8).- Masquerader:
Disguises as an angel of light to gain trust and deceive (2 Corinthians 11:14).- Collaborator with the Flesh:
Exploits human weaknesses, desires, and pride to tempt people into sin (Galatians 5:19-21).- Mastermind of Fear:
Uses fear to control minds and prevent people from living in faith and freedom (2 Timothy 1:7).- Cowardly Defeated:
Trembles at the name of Jesus and knows the ultimate destiny is the lake of fire (Revelation 20:10).
Work History:
- Garden of Eden, Genesis 3:
Successfully deceived humanity by twisting God’s words and appealing to pride.- Job’s Trials, Job 1-2:
Inflicted suffering on Job through accusations and destruction.- Rebellion in Heaven, Revelation 12:
Led an unsuccessful rebellion against God and was cast out with fallen angels.- Throughout Human History:
Actively worked through demons, witchcraft, and false religions to lead millions away from God.- Modern Times:
Influences media and technology to promote immorality, idolatry, and godlessness.
Sefree’s Attestation:
This "CV" is a truthful representation of Satan’s character, actions, and intentions. He was once in heaven but rebelled against God, leading to his downfall. Since then, he has used lies, fear, and manipulation to enslave humanity. Through demons, witchdoctors, and the twisting of God’s Word, he is to destroy all that is good. However, his ultimate defeat is certain, and his eternal destiny is sealed in the lake of fire (Revelation 20:10).
Do not employ him in any area of your life. Resist him, and he will flee. Instead, trust in Jesus Christ, who offers life, peace, and victory (James 4:7).
Kumzungumzia Shetani kwa mabaya ni sawa na kujaza maji baharini kwa kutumia kijikoWatu wengi wanamsikia Shetani, na wanaamini yupo, lakini hawajui yeye ni nani, alitoka wapi, anafanya nini na malengo yake ni nini. Ifuatayo ni “CV” yake. Imeandikwa kwa Kiingereza. Ukiona lugha iliyotumika ni ngumu, google translator itakusaidia kupata tafsiri ya Kiswahili:
Name: Satan (aka Lucifer, The Devil, The Accuser)
Objective:
To deceive, destroy, and enslave humanity through lies, manipulation, and sin.
“Academic” Qualifications:
- PhD in Deception and Lies: Expert in manipulating truth to achieve evil goals.
- Masters in Demonic Operations: Skilled in managing and deploying demons to oppress, torment, and mislead people (Mark 5:9).
- Bachelor of Witchcraft Collaborations (B.W.C): Partners with witchdoctors, mediums, and occultists to create spiritual bondage (Leviticus 19:31).
- LLB in Accusations: Specializes in presenting cases against believers before God, aiming to discredit their faith (Revelation 12:10).
- Certified Engineer in Destruction (Eng. Destruction): Designs traps to destroy marriages, relationships, and societies (John 10:10).
Background and History:
- Former Angel in Heaven:
I once held a high position as a beautiful and powerful angel (Ezekiel 28:12-15). However, I rebelled against God, seeking to exalt my throne above God’s (Isaiah 14:12-14). This rebellion led to my expulsion from heaven along with a third of the angels who followed me (Revelation 12:7-9).
Skills and Characteristics:
- Demonic Leadership:
Commands a vast network of demons to execute evil plans, torment individuals, and influence nations (Ephesians 6:12).- Occult Consultant:
Collaborates with witchdoctors, sorcerers, and false prophets to spread false teachings and enslave people in fear (Deuteronomy 18:10-12).- Expert in Division:
Sows discord in families, churches, and communities to hinder unity and progress (Proverbs 6:16-19).- Master Manipulator:
Twists God’s Word to confuse believers and lead them astray (Matthew 4:6).- Father of Lies:
Lies habitually to deceive mankind and separate them from God (John 8:44).- Tempter Extraordinaire:
Offers power, fame, and wealth to lure people into sin, only to destroy them later (Matthew 4:1-11).- Accuser:
Uses accusations to instill guilt and fear in believers, weakening their faith and hope (Zechariah 3:1).- Destroyer of Souls:
Works tirelessly to lead people to eternal destruction through sin and rebellion (1 Peter 5:8).- Masquerader:
Disguises as an angel of light to gain trust and deceive (2 Corinthians 11:14).- Collaborator with the Flesh:
Exploits human weaknesses, desires, and pride to tempt people into sin (Galatians 5:19-21).- Mastermind of Fear:
Uses fear to control minds and prevent people from living in faith and freedom (2 Timothy 1:7).- Cowardly Defeated:
Trembles at the name of Jesus and knows the ultimate destiny is the lake of fire (Revelation 20:10).
Work History:
- Garden of Eden, Genesis 3:
Successfully deceived humanity by twisting God’s words and appealing to pride.- Job’s Trials, Job 1-2:
Inflicted suffering on Job through accusations and destruction.- Rebellion in Heaven, Revelation 12:
Led an unsuccessful rebellion against God and was cast out with fallen angels.- Throughout Human History:
Actively worked through demons, witchcraft, and false religions to lead millions away from God.- Modern Times:
Influences media and technology to promote immorality, idolatry, and godlessness.
Sefree’s Attestation:
This "CV" is a truthful representation of Satan’s character, actions, and intentions. He was once in heaven but rebelled against God, leading to his downfall. Since then, he has used lies, fear, and manipulation to enslave humanity. Through demons, witchdoctors, and the twisting of God’s Word, he is to destroy all that is good. However, his ultimate defeat is certain, and his eternal destiny is sealed in the lake of fire (Revelation 20:10).
Do not employ him in any area of your life. Resist him, and he will flee. Instead, trust in Jesus Christ, who offers life, peace, and victory (James 4:7).
Shetani ni kama zile hadithi za alliens zote ni hadithi za kiimani huwezi kuthibitishaKama unajua maana ya shetani inamaanisha unakubali kwamba yupo.
Huwezi kupinga kitu fulani kama hakipo wakati unakitaja na unakifahamu.
Je kama unakitaja na unakifahamu na una maarifa kukielekea sio kwamba kitu hicho kipo?
Setfree nakuhitaji kwa hili"I don't think" means using self perspectives, Thoughts and Ideas, but I understand how you feel 🤷
If satan isn't the creation of a specific person and you believe his existence, then how can you explain to me about his origin and his attributes?
Mwambie hivi: "Satan is not the result of a creative flaw but a being who misused the free will granted by God. His origin and attributes reflect his choice to rebel, but his end is certain—eternal defeat by God’s justice. Revelation 20:10: says: 'And the devil, who deceived them, was thrown into the lake of burning sulfur... They will be tormented day and night forever and ever.'"Setfree nakuhitaji kwa hili
Hadithi 👍🏾Shetani ni kama zile hadithi za alliens zote ni hadithi za kiimani huwezi kuthibitisha