History inapingana na wanaosema ''HAKUNA MUNGU'': The simple research you can do to prove it.
History inapingana na wanaosema ''HAKUNA MUNGU'': The simple research you can do to prove it.
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Wathibitishie wasomaji hapa kuwa wewe ni either MWANAUME AU MWANAMKE.
Mimi nasema wewe ni JIKE, kama unabisha tuletee ushaidi ambao ni impeccable and verifiable. Assumptions are not allowed ad infinitum.
UTAKAPO SHINDWA
JARIBU HILI:
Prove to me that God does not exists. I need impeccable exhibits which are watertight and must be verifiable. NO ASSUMPTIONS AT ALL TIME.
Haya anza kutokwa povu
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Mungu yu hali gani? Mungu amefanana na nini?
Habari njema ni kwamba kuna mengi dhahiri juu ya Mungu! Wenye kukagua maelezo haya watatambua ya kwamba ni muhimu kwanza kusoma maelezo yote kwa jumla kabla kusoma vifungu husika vya biblia kwa ufafanuzi zaidi. Vifungu vya kukariri vya bibilia ni muhimu maana bila mamlaka kutoka kwa biblia maneno haya yangekuwa hayana tofauti na maoni ya kawaida ya wanadamu ambayo kila mara huwa na upungufu katika kumuelewa mungu (Ayubu 42:7). Kusema ya kwamba tunahitajika kujua mungu ni mfano wa nini ni jambo la hatari. Kuna hatari ya kutusukuma katika kukimbilia kuiabudu miungu ya uongo kinyume cha mapenzi yake (Kutoka 20:3-5).
Kile tu Mungu ametaka kifahamike juu ya yeye mwenyewe ndicho kinaweza kufahamika. Kitu kimoja ambacho Mungu amejitambulisha nacho ni "nuru", kumaanisha ya kuwa yeye ni mwenye kujieleza mwenyewe juu ya hali zake (Isaya 60:19, Yakobo 1:17). Ukweli wa kwamba Mungu ametupatia ufahamu juu ya yeye mwenyewe usipuuzwe isije mmoja wetu akakosa kuingia kwenye pumziko lake (Waebrania 4:1). Uumbaji, biblia na Neno lililofanyika mwili (Yesu kristo) ni msaada kwetu katika kufahamu Mungu yu hali gani.
Natuanze kwa kufahamu ya kuwa Mungu ni muumba wetu na sisi ni sehemu ya uumbaji wake (Mwanzo 1:1, Zaburi 24:1). Mungu alisema kuwa mwanadamu ameumbwa kwa mfano wake. Mwanadamu yu juu ya viumbe vyote na alipatiwa mamlaka juu ya viumbe vyote (Mwanzo 1:26-28). Uumbaji umeathiriwa na "anguko" lakini baado umehifadhi baadhi ya kazi zake Mungu (Mwanzo 3:17-18; Warumi 1:19-20). Kwa kutafakari ukuu wa uumbaji na mapana yake uzuri wake na mpangilio, tunaweza kupata hisia za utisho wa Mungu.
Kusoma juu ya majina tofauti tofauti ya Mungu kunaweza kutusaidia katika kutambua jinsi Mungu alivyo. Majina yenyewe ni kama yafuatayo:
Elohim – Mwenye nguvu, mtakatifu (Mwanzo 1:1)
Adonai – Bwana, ikiashiria uhusiano wa mtumishi na bwana wake (Kutoka 4: 10, 13)
El Elyon – Aliyetukuka, mwenye nguvu kupita wote (Mwanzo 14:20)
El Roi – Mwenye nguvu kupita wote na aonaye (Mwanzo 16:13)
El Shaddai – Mwenyezi Mungu (Mwanzo 17: 1)
El Olam – Mungu wa milele (Isaya 40:28)
Yahweh – BWANA "NDIMI", yenye maana ya Mungu wa milele adumuye kwa uwezo wake mwenyewe (Kutoka 3:13, 14).
Tunaendelea kutasmini hali za Mungu. Mungu ni wa milele, kumaanisha hakuwa na mwanzo na kuweko kwake hakutakoma. Hafi na hamaliziki (Kumbukumbu la torati 33:27, Zaburi 90:2; Timotheo wa kwanza 1:17). Mungu hanyamazishwi na habadiliki na ina maana ya kwamba ni wa kutegemea na kuaminiwa (Malaki 3:6; Hesabu 23:19; Zaburi 102: 26, 27). Mungu hafananishwi na yeyote wala chochote katika uweza wake, matendo na jinsi alivyo mtimilifu (Samueli wa pili 7: 22; Zaburi 86:8; Isaya40:25; Mathayo 5: 48). Mungu hachunguziki, haeleweki kwa kina, amepita uwezo wetu wa kiutafiti (Isaya 40:28; Zaburi 145: 3; Warumi 11: 33, 34).
Mungu ni wa haki, wala hapendelei mtu (Kumbukumbu la torati 32:4; Zaburi 18:30). Mungu ni muweza yote. Ana nguvu na anatenda kila kinachompendeza bila kutoka nje ya hali zake timilifu (Ufunuo wa Yohana 19:6; Yeremia 32:17, 27). Mungu yu kila pahali (Zaburi 139:7 -13; Yeremia 23:23). Mungu ni mwenye kufahamu yote. Anajua yaliyokuwepo, yaliyopo na yatakayokuwepo pamoja nay ale tuyawazayo kila wakati. Ni kwa sababu ya kufahamu kila kitu ndiyo hukumu yake ni ya haki (Zaburi 139:1-5; Methali 5:21).
Mungu ni mmoja, wala hakuna mwingine na yeye pekee anaweza kuhudumia mahitaji ya mioyo yetu sote. Yeye pekee ndiye anayepaswa kuabudiwa (Kumbukumbu la torati 6:4). Mungu ni mwenye haki. Hafanyi makosa yoyote. Ni kwa sababu ya kuwa mwenye haki ndiyo iligharimu Yesu kupitia hukumu kwa ajili ya dhambi zetu zipate kuondolewa (Kutoka 9:27; Mathayo 27: 45-46; Warumi 3: 21-26).
Mungu yu juu ya yote. Ni mkuu wa uumbaji wake wote wala hawezi kubadilika katika mipango yake mwenyewe (Zaburi 93:1; 95:3; Yeremia 23:20). Mungu ni roho. Haonekani na macho ya kawaida (Yohana 1:18; 4:24). Mungu ni wa utatu. Yeye ni sehemu tatu ndani ya mmoja, zenye nguvu sawa na utukufu. Jina lake hutajwa kwa umoja hata japoelezwa katika utatu –" Baba, na Mwana na Roho Mtakatifu' (Mathayo 28:19; Marko 1: 9-11). Mungu ni kweli. Anakubaliana na hali hiyo tu ya ukweli, si mfisadi wala mwongo (Zaburi 117:2; Samueli wa kwanza 15:29).
Mungu ni mtakatifu. Amejitenganisha na kila hali ya unajisi na hataki unajisi wa kila aina karibu naye. Mungu huona uovu wote na humkera. Moto kila mara hutajwa pamoja na utakatifu. Mungu hutajwa kama Moto ulao (Isaya 6:3; Habakkuk 1: 13; Kutoka 3;2, 4.5; Waebrania 12:29). Mungu ni wa neema. Ni mwema mwenye rehema, mkarimu, na mwenye upendo. Kama haingekuwa neema ya Mungu hali zake zote nyengine zingetuacha mbali naye. Mungu anahitaji kutujua kila mmoja wetu kibinafsi (Kutoka 34:6; Zaburi 31:19; Petero wa kwanza 1;3; Yohana 3:16; Yohana 17:3).
Hii ilikuwa ni mojawapo ya jinsi ya kujibu swali linalopaswa kujibiwa na Mungu mwenyewe. Hata hivyo endelea kuwa na ujasiri wa kumtafuta Yeye (Yeremia 29:13).
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Habari njema ni kwamba kuna mengi dhahiri juu ya Mungu! Wenye kukagua maelezo haya watatambua ya kwamba ni muhimu kwanza kusoma maelezo yote kwa jumla kabla kusoma vifungu husika vya biblia kwa ufafanuzi zaidi. Vifungu vya kukariri vya bibilia ni muhimu maana bila mamlaka kutoka kwa biblia maneno haya yangekuwa hayana tofauti na maoni ya kawaida ya wanadamu ambayo kila mara huwa na upungufu katika kumuelewa mungu (Ayubu 42:7). Kusema ya kwamba tunahitajika kujua mungu ni mfano wa nini ni jambo la hatari. Kuna hatari ya kutusukuma katika kukimbilia kuiabudu miungu ya uongo kinyume cha mapenzi yake (Kutoka 20:3-5).
Kile tu Mungu ametaka kifahamike juu ya yeye mwenyewe ndicho kinaweza kufahamika. Kitu kimoja ambacho Mungu amejitambulisha nacho ni "nuru", kumaanisha ya kuwa yeye ni mwenye kujieleza mwenyewe juu ya hali zake (Isaya 60:19, Yakobo 1:17). Ukweli wa kwamba Mungu ametupatia ufahamu juu ya yeye mwenyewe usipuuzwe isije mmoja wetu akakosa kuingia kwenye pumziko lake (Waebrania 4:1). Uumbaji, biblia na Neno lililofanyika mwili (Yesu kristo) ni msaada kwetu katika kufahamu Mungu yu hali gani.
Natuanze kwa kufahamu ya kuwa Mungu ni muumba wetu na sisi ni sehemu ya uumbaji wake (Mwanzo 1:1, Zaburi 24:1). Mungu alisema kuwa mwanadamu ameumbwa kwa mfano wake. Mwanadamu yu juu ya viumbe vyote na alipatiwa mamlaka juu ya viumbe vyote (Mwanzo 1:26-28). Uumbaji umeathiriwa na "anguko" lakini baado umehifadhi baadhi ya kazi zake Mungu (Mwanzo 3:17-18; Warumi 1:19-20). Kwa kutafakari ukuu wa uumbaji na mapana yake uzuri wake na mpangilio, tunaweza kupata hisia za utisho wa Mungu.
Kusoma juu ya majina tofauti tofauti ya Mungu kunaweza kutusaidia katika kutambua jinsi Mungu alivyo. Majina yenyewe ni kama yafuatayo:
Elohim – Mwenye nguvu, mtakatifu (Mwanzo 1:1)
Adonai – Bwana, ikiashiria uhusiano wa mtumishi na bwana wake (Kutoka 4: 10, 13)
El Elyon – Aliyetukuka, mwenye nguvu kupita wote (Mwanzo 14:20)
El Roi – Mwenye nguvu kupita wote na aonaye (Mwanzo 16:13)
El Shaddai – Mwenyezi Mungu (Mwanzo 17: 1)
El Olam – Mungu wa milele (Isaya 40:28)
Yahweh – BWANA "NDIMI", yenye maana ya Mungu wa milele adumuye kwa uwezo wake mwenyewe (Kutoka 3:13, 14).
Tunaendelea kutasmini hali za Mungu. Mungu ni wa milele, kumaanisha hakuwa na mwanzo na kuweko kwake hakutakoma. Hafi na hamaliziki (Kumbukumbu la torati 33:27, Zaburi 90:2; Timotheo wa kwanza 1:17). Mungu hanyamazishwi na habadiliki na ina maana ya kwamba ni wa kutegemea na kuaminiwa (Malaki 3:6; Hesabu 23:19; Zaburi 102: 26, 27). Mungu hafananishwi na yeyote wala chochote katika uweza wake, matendo na jinsi alivyo mtimilifu (Samueli wa pili 7: 22; Zaburi 86:8; Isaya40:25; Mathayo 5: 48). Mungu hachunguziki, haeleweki kwa kina, amepita uwezo wetu wa kiutafiti (Isaya 40:28; Zaburi 145: 3; Warumi 11: 33, 34).
Mungu ni wa haki, wala hapendelei mtu (Kumbukumbu la torati 32:4; Zaburi 18:30). Mungu ni muweza yote. Ana nguvu na anatenda kila kinachompendeza bila kutoka nje ya hali zake timilifu (Ufunuo wa Yohana 19:6; Yeremia 32:17, 27). Mungu yu kila pahali (Zaburi 139:7 -13; Yeremia 23:23). Mungu ni mwenye kufahamu yote. Anajua yaliyokuwepo, yaliyopo na yatakayokuwepo pamoja nay ale tuyawazayo kila wakati. Ni kwa sababu ya kufahamu kila kitu ndiyo hukumu yake ni ya haki (Zaburi 139:1-5; Methali 5:21).
Mungu ni mmoja, wala hakuna mwingine na yeye pekee anaweza kuhudumia mahitaji ya mioyo yetu sote. Yeye pekee ndiye anayepaswa kuabudiwa (Kumbukumbu la torati 6:4). Mungu ni mwenye haki. Hafanyi makosa yoyote. Ni kwa sababu ya kuwa mwenye haki ndiyo iligharimu Yesu kupitia hukumu kwa ajili ya dhambi zetu zipate kuondolewa (Kutoka 9:27; Mathayo 27: 45-46; Warumi 3: 21-26).
Mungu yu juu ya yote. Ni mkuu wa uumbaji wake wote wala hawezi kubadilika katika mipango yake mwenyewe (Zaburi 93:1; 95:3; Yeremia 23:20). Mungu ni roho. Haonekani na macho ya kawaida (Yohana 1:18; 4:24). Mungu ni wa utatu. Yeye ni sehemu tatu ndani ya mmoja, zenye nguvu sawa na utukufu. Jina lake hutajwa kwa umoja hata japoelezwa katika utatu –" Baba, na Mwana na Roho Mtakatifu' (Mathayo 28:19; Marko 1: 9-11). Mungu ni kweli. Anakubaliana na hali hiyo tu ya ukweli, si mfisadi wala mwongo (Zaburi 117:2; Samueli wa kwanza 15:29).
Mungu ni mtakatifu. Amejitenganisha na kila hali ya unajisi na hataki unajisi wa kila aina karibu naye. Mungu huona uovu wote na humkera. Moto kila mara hutajwa pamoja na utakatifu. Mungu hutajwa kama Moto ulao (Isaya 6:3; Habakkuk 1: 13; Kutoka 3;2, 4.5; Waebrania 12:29). Mungu ni wa neema. Ni mwema mwenye rehema, mkarimu, na mwenye upendo. Kama haingekuwa neema ya Mungu hali zake zote nyengine zingetuacha mbali naye. Mungu anahitaji kutujua kila mmoja wetu kibinafsi (Kutoka 34:6; Zaburi 31:19; Petero wa kwanza 1;3; Yohana 3:16; Yohana 17:3).
Hii ilikuwa ni mojawapo ya jinsi ya kujibu swali linalopaswa kujibiwa na Mungu mwenyewe. Hata hivyo endelea kuwa na ujasiri wa kumtafuta Yeye (Yeremia 29:13).
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Bogus reply
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Poor thinking and reasoning
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Venomous diabolical fiendish spew from satan's incarnate
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Hawa wanaojiita atheists naomba niwaambie sio kila kitu mzungu anachowadangaya na nyie mnadanganyika kwa bei ya peremende unajua kabla hujakubali au kukanusha jambo unatakiwa ujirithishe kwa facts.
ni ulimbukeni kwa mtu especially muafrika kupinga hakuna spiritual beings beyond physical realm kwanza kwa research fupi na rahisi ya terminologies zinazoelezea spiritual deities na discourses zake.
nataka niseme hakuna old terminologies zilizotumika na ancients hadi sasa ziko zisizo na maana tokea karne na dahari kulikuwa na maneno kama ''mungu'' ''roho'' ''majini'' ''pepo'' ''kuzimu'' ''mbingu'' ''shetani'' na mengine lukuki ambayo yanahusiana na vitu vya kiroho.
Haitawezekana hata siku moja mfanano huu utokee kwa all mankind lifestyles na culture alafu useme ni fiction to all generations and races never.
Zipo lugha nyingi duniani ambazo hazina huu msamiati wa ''atheism'' ikiwemo kiswahili naomba usichnganye na Upagani au Paganism mpagani ni mtu asiyehuthuria congregations zozote lakini anaamini kuna Mungu unaweza kumkuta anaenda kwa waganga na kusoma nyota.
huwezi kusema lugha zote duniani maarufu na zisizo maarufu [native tongues] zinayo haya maneno yametokea kwa bahati mbaya uki trace haya maneno kwenye articles utakuta yalikuwepo tokea mwanadamu alipokuja juu ya uso wa nchi lakini uki trace atheism hili neno limekuwa popular baada ya philosophies na theories za Darwinism atheism and the like nayo ni karne ya 19 awali hivi vitu havikuwapo.
Nasema ni mshutuko kwa mwafrika kusema hakuna spiritual realm kutoka na history na life style ya waafrika anzia South Africa mpaka Libya njoo Somalia mpaka Liberia kote miaka na miaka wapo waganga wakienyeji wasoma nyota tena hapa tunayo records nzuri ukienda Mali Timbuktu waafrika tunajivunia kwamba ndicho chuo cha kwanza duniani na wasomi wa
dunia wanaamini hivyo lakini hicho chuo kilikuwa kinahusu mambo ya falaki au unajimu sana majini na mambo mengi ya kiroho pia Egypt ndio nchi iliyokuwa na high standard of civilization 700 and 500 BC juu ya uso wadunia lakini walikuwa na Elite waliosababisha mafanikio makubwa kama hayo nao ni scribes, astronomers[hawa sio apollo bali ni wanafalaki] architects, mathematicians and artisans, administrators, priests [waganga/wachawi] hawa wote ndio walio establish the Ancient Egyptian society mpaka wakajenga pyramids ambazo America wamiweka katika dollar bill nembo ambayo haina uhusiano kabisa na historia ya marekani bali Egypt.
Unaweza ukasema ipo lugha[maneno] rasmi yanayotumika katika mamlaka kama serikalini mahakamani taasisi za kielimu ambayo yana discourse au facts pale yanapotamkwa ni tofauti kabisa na maneno ya mitaani kama euphemisms au ironic words ambayo mara nyingi haya huongelewa na mob ambayo maisha yako huwezi kuyakuta yameandikwa kwenye official reports au Governmental documents kwani huko huandikwa kitu na kutambulika rasmi baada ya kujulikana basis na factual za maneno hayo.
Ninachotaka nikujengee hapa ni namna neno God linavyotumika kwenye nyaraka za serikali na vitabu vya imani ambavyo vyote hivi vinahusiana na mabo ya kiroho vinavyotumika na serikali ambayo inatazamwa na wananchi kama the highest level ya educated factual intelligent and sophisticated knowledge govern the rest refer Pilate Theory.
Nakuja kwa waafrika kwani nazungumza nao kwa namna waganga wa kienyeji na wachawi [samahani hawa ntawatumia sana kwani walikuwa kabla ya biashara ya utumwa na ukoloni] historia na makumbusho unaweza kwenda na kukuta picha moja inamuonesha mama mmoja huko bagamoyo mganga wao wanauita ''fundi'' akimpndisha mtu marohani ikumbukwe hapo makumbusho.
unaweza kusema hawa waganga ni matapeli lakini je huo utapeli ulianzwa enzi za mababu mpaka sasa upo na sio afrika bali dunia nzima inakuwaje kwani duniani pote hakuna sehemu utakayokosa mambo ya kichawi pote chunguza utaona na yapo hata kabla ya uvumbuzi wa meli gari au Internet yani kabla ya muingiliano wa kiutamaduni kwa namna yoyote ile je nayo ni fiction?
Atheist wanapinga uwepo wa Mungu lakini ''wanaamini'' BIG BANG nikikuuliza unaweza kunipa proof ya big bang kwamba imetokea wapi na nini sababu zake na kwa nini itokee watakosa la kukwambia ila watasema wanaamini yani hujawahi ona lakini labda niwaambie maana ya IMANI kwamba ni kuwa na hakika na mambo yatarajiwayo [au yaliyokwisha kuwako] ni bayana ya mambo yasiyoonekana. Hivyo kwa tafsiri hii kuamini kuwa kulikuwa na big bang ambayo hujawahi ona ikitokea hiyo ni imani.
Hutakuwa na tofauti na anayemuamini Mungu ambaye hajawahi muona hivyo atheism ni imani kama imani nyingine ila imani hii inaamini katika bigbang na sio Mungu ila wako watu pia wanaoamini jua ng'ombe mwezi nyoka mti n.k lakini sio Mungu hivyo hawana tofauti na atheist.
Darwin anasema binadamu ni advanced apes facts zake zimebase kwenye environment [phenotype] kitu ambacho hakiwezi kubadilisha genes za kiumbe na kuathiri traits za kiumbe genetipycally huwezi kusema a certain type of gas or physial condition an affect the genes of an organism completely and left others unchanged.
ni wazi tunaelewa traits za binadamu zinaamishwa through genes from ancestor to his descendants hizi traits ni body morphology, skin color, aye color, tallness, tongue rolling, early baldness, diseases, albinism, blood type, sex, etc.
ni kitu kisichokaa kiwezekane phenotype ikaathiri genotype code hata siku moja na hii ni nature ya viumbe wote.
Kwa namna technology ilivyopanuka kwa sasa tungeweza kutengeneza mazingira yaliyowafanya apes kuwa mwanadamu katika eneo/chumba fulani tuka apply hizo gases na all conducive environment zilizopelekea mabadiliko yote ya mwanadamu then tukachunguza mabadiliko yatakayojitokeza lakini sio kwamba haijafanyika shida ni kutangaza matokeo litakaloathiri brainwashed all over the surface kwani watajua Darwinism ni Vanity and nullity hauwezi ku prove lakini wanaamini then wanapinga dini wakati wote tunaamini nguvu fulani ya tofauti sema tunatofautiana mtazamo.
Conclusion ni kwamba hakuna Atheism duniani hata wao wanaimani na kuishikilia kama wengine wanaweza kukuambia Bible ni manmade lakini muulize hizo ''facts'' zinazotetea theory yako ni mawazo yako sio kwamba ulisoma novel ya Charls Darwin and the like ikakuvutia na wewe ukaamini?
soma hapa
Samahani kwa kuchanganya lugha.
It is common sense that most of us humans are rational people who follow logic. Christians like to claim Jesus is God, so let us test this, and let us put ourselves in the time of Jesus as a believing person. We will quote passages from the NT and you decide for yourselves if you would take Jesus as God if you witnessed these events.
Let us now take a journey into the NT:
John 20: 16-18
[SUP]16 [/SUP]Jesus saith unto her, Mary. She turned herself, and saith unto him, Rabboni; which is to say, Master. [SUP]
17 [/SUP]Jesus saith unto her, Touch me not; for I am not yet ascended to my Father: but go to my brethren, and say unto them, I ascend unto my Father, and your Father; and to my God, and your God.
[SUP]18 [/SUP]Mary Magdalene came and told the disciples that she had seen the LORD, and that he had spoken these things unto her.
If someone told you they have a God, would you honestly believe that man is God?
Think logically, will you take the man as your God, or will you worship his God?
Logic tells you that you should be worshiping his God.
Mark 24: 32-36:
32 Now learn a parable of the fig tree; When his branch is yet tender, and putteth forth leaves, ye know that summer is nigh:
33 So likewise ye, when ye shall see all these things, know that it is near, even at the doors.
34 Verily I say unto you, This generation shall not pass, till all these things be fulfilled.
35 Heaven and earth shall pass away, but my words shall not pass away.
36 But of that day and hour knoweth no man, no, not the angels of heaven, but my Father only
If a man told you he does not know the last hour, would you really believe this man could be God? Think logically.
Jhn 7:16 Jesus answered them, and said, My doctrine is not mine, but his that sent me
If someone told you the doctrine he teaches you is not his, but belongs to someone else, would you believe this person is God?
Think logically. It's like God saying the Bible is not from me, but from someone else. In fact that is what Christians say!
Hebrews 5:1-8:
1 For every high priest taken from among men is ordained for men in things pertaining to God, that he may offer both gifts and sacrifices for sins:
2 Who can have compassion on the ignorant, and on them that are out of the way; for that he himself also is compassed with infirmity.
3 And by reason hereof he ought, as for the people, so also for himself, to offer for sins.
4 And no man taketh this honour unto himself, but he that is called of God, as was Aaron.
5 So also Christ glorified not himself to be made an high priest; but he that said unto him, Thou art my Son, to day have I begotten thee.
6 As he saith also in another place, Thou art a priest for ever after the order of Melchisedec.
7 Who in the days of his flesh, when he had offered up prayers and supplications with strong crying and tears unto him that was able to save him from death, and was heard in that he feared;
8 Though he were a Son, yet learned he obedience by the things which he suffered
If you saw a man crying and praying non stop in fear, would you really take this man as God? Think logically please.
Matthew 6: 5-8:
And when thou prayest, thou shalt not be as the hypocrites are: for they love to pray standing in the synagogues and in the corners of the streets, that they may be seen of men. Verily I say unto you, They have their reward.
[SUP]6 [/SUP]But thou, when thou prayest, enter into thy closet, and when thou hast shut thy door, pray to thy Father which is in secret; and thy Father which seeth in secret shall reward thee openly.
[SUP]7 [/SUP]But when ye pray, use not vain repetitions, as the heathen do: for they think that they shall be heard for their much speaking.
[SUP]8 [/SUP]Be not ye therefore like unto them: for your Father knoweth what things ye have need of, before ye ask him.
If a man told you to pray to someone else, not himself, would you believe this man is God? Think logically. A man is telling you pray to God, and teaching you how, he is not telling you to pray to him, so would you believe this man is God?
Acts 2:22:
[SUP]22 [/SUP]Ye men of Israel, hear these words; Jesus of Nazareth, a man approved of God among you by miracles and wonders and signs, which God did by him in the midst of you, as ye yourselves also know:
If you heard this statement would you honestly believe Jesus is God?
A MAN approved of God, obviously logic tells you this man is not God.
It also says that God gave him the miracles and wonders etc. So think logically, would you still take this man as God? If you are illogical you then will. It also doesn't take a brain genius to figure this out.
Acts 3:13:
[SUP]13 [/SUP]The God of Abraham, and of Isaac, and of Jacob, the God of our fathers, hath glorified his Son Jesus; whom ye delivered up, and denied him in the presence of Pilate, when he was determined to let him go
Would you take this man as God?
Note how it starts off saying the God of Abraham, and Isaac, and of Jacob, and the God of our fathers, it then says this God has glorified his son who is Jesus. So as we can see, there is a distinction made, and that Jesus cannot possibly be the God of Abraham, Isaac, nor Jacob.
Think logically, the text makes it clear that the God of Abraham and of Isaac and of Jacob is NOT Jesus.
There is much more that could be shown. However so this is enough, now its up to you to use your brain or not.
Ishmael
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Slavery in the Koran
Owning and raping infidel slaves are the Laws of Allah (the ANTI GOD). In Islam as a Law Of Allah (the ANTI GOD) Muslims can rape their slaves as often as they wish. They can even gang rape them. In Islam - rape is not just a sexual weapon – it is a weapon of war. Having murdered the woman's man, Muslims can now - sanctioned by the law of Allah complete their final humiliation and domination of her body.
Here, as elsewhere, the term "possessions of the right hand" mean slaves.
It is to the Koran that we have to go to find Muhammad's attitude to slavery. The subject is treated at many places in the Koran. We shall consider some of these statements in the order that they appear in the Koran, quoting the relevant part of the verse concerned.
(i) Sura 2 (The Cow) Verse 178
2.178: O you who believe! retaliation is prescribed for you in the matter of the slain, the free for the free, and the slave for the slave, and the female for the female, but if any remission is made to any one by his (aggrieved) brother, then prosecution (for the bloodwit) should be made according to usage, and payment should be made to him in a good manner; this is an alleviation from your Lord and a mercy; so whoever exceeds the limit after this he shall have a painful chastisement.
Retaliation for murder and other crimes was sanctioned by Arabian usage and accepted by Muhammad. Here it is said that a free(man) could be killed for the murder of a free(man) and similarly for a (free) woman and a slave. The mention of these three categories quite casually indicates that slavery is accepted along with the other two categories as an acceptable state for a human being. What is not clear is whether the person put to death is the person responsible for the killing. While this may be true of free persons this is not necessarily true of slaves. Thus if a slave is killed then it is not the killer of the slave that has to be killed but a slave of the killer! What this shows is that slaves are treated as pure merchandise of the slave owner. If a slave is killed then it is a loss to its owner and the retaliation for this is the killing of a slave belonging to the offender. Of course the slave killed may be quite innocent.
Of course it may be argued that the free people may have been responsible for the crime but to a kill an innocent slave for the crime of his master is truly a perversion of justice. The casual way in which slaves as a category of humans are mentioned along with free men and women in the application of this law shows that Muhammad completely accepted the slave status of humans to be a perfectly normal status.
(ii) Sura 4 (The Women), Verse 92.
4.92: And it does not behoove a believer to kill a believer except by mistake, and whoever kills a believer by mistake, he should free a believing slave, and blood-money should be paid to his people unless they remit it as alms; but if he be from a tribe hostile to you and he is a believer, the freeing of a believing slave (suffices), and if he is from a tribe between whom and you there is a covenant, the blood-money should be paid to his people along with the freeing of a believing slave; but he who cannot find (a slave) should fast for two months successively:
This verse has been adduced by Muslim apologists who claim that Muhammad urged the general freeing of slaves. This is certainly not the case. What this verse tells is that manslaughter (killing by mistake) of a Muslim (presumably by another Muslim) could be paid for by freeing one slave for each act of manslaughter. The freeing of the slave is a kind of penalty imposed on the offending Muslim for his act of manslaughter. It could be compared to imposing a fine on the person. Slaves are seen as a kind of legal tender - instead of being fined for the misdemeanor the offender is forced to free a slave. Surely this is a far cry from a requirement that slaves should be freed as a general principle.
Gavana
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Slavery in the Bible
Except for murder, slavery has got to be one of the most immoral things a person can do. Yet slavery is rampant throughout the Bible in both the Old and New Testaments. The Bible clearly approves of slavery in many passages, and it goes so far as to tell how to obtain slaves, how hard you can beat them, and when you can have sex with the female slaves.
Many Jews and Christians will try to ignore the moral problems of slavery by saying that these slaves were actually servants or indentured servants. Many translations of the Bible use the word "servant", "bondservant", or "manservant" instead of "slave" to make the Bible seem less immoral than it really is. While many slaves may have worked as household servants, that doesn't mean that they were not slaves who were bought, sold, and treated worse than livestock.
The following passage shows that slaves are clearly property to be bought and sold like livestock.
However, you may purchase male or female slaves from among the foreigners who live among you. You may also purchase the children of such resident foreigners, including those who have been born in your land. You may treat them as your property, passing them on to your children as a permanent inheritance. You may treat your slaves like this, but the people of Israel, your relatives, must never be treated this way. (Leviticus 25:44-46 NLT)
The following passage describes how the Hebrew slaves are to be treated.
If you buy a Hebrew slave, he is to serve for only six years. Set him free in the seventh year, and he will owe you nothing for his freedom. If he was single when he became your slave and then married afterward, only he will go free in the seventh year. But if he was married before he became a slave, then his wife will be freed with him. If his master gave him a wife while he was a slave, and they had sons or daughters, then the man will be free in the seventh year, but his wife and children will still belong to his master. But the slave may plainly declare, 'I love my master, my wife, and my children. I would rather not go free.' If he does this, his master must present him before God. Then his master must take him to the door and publicly pierce his ear with an awl. After that, the slave will belong to his master forever. (Exodus 21:2-6 NLT)
Notice how they can get a male Hebrew slave to become a permanent slave by keeping his wife and children hostage until he says he wants to become a permanent slave. What kind of family values are these?
The following passage describes the sickening practice of sex slavery. How can anyone think it is moral to sell your own daughter as a sex slave?
When a man sells his daughter as a slave, she will not be freed at the end of six years as the men are. If she does not please the man who bought her, he may allow her to be bought back again. But he is not allowed to sell her to foreigners, since he is the one who broke the contract with her. And if the slave girl's owner arranges for her to marry his son, he may no longer treat her as a slave girl, but he must treat her as his daughter. If he himself marries her and then takes another wife, he may not reduce her food or clothing or fail to sleep with her as his wife. If he fails in any of these three ways, she may leave as a free woman without making any payment. (Exodus 21:7-11 NLT)
So these are the Bible family values! A man can buy as many sex slaves as he wants as long as he feeds them, clothes them, and screws them!
What does the Bible say about beating slaves? It says you can beat both male and female slaves with a rod so hard that as long as they don't die right away you are cleared of any wrong doing.
When a man strikes his male or female slave with a rod so hard that the slave dies under his hand, he shall be punished. If, however, the slave survives for a day or two, he is not to be punished, since the slave is his own property. (Exodus 21:20-21 NAB)
You would think that Jesus and the New Testament would have a different view of slavery, but slavery is still approved of in the New Testament, as the following passages show.
Slaves, obey your earthly masters with deep respect and fear. Serve them sincerely as you would serve Christ. (Ephesians 6:5 NLT)
Christians who are slaves should give their masters full respect so that the name of God and his teaching will not be shamed. If your master is a Christian, that is no excuse for being disrespectful. You should work all the harder because you are helping another believer by your efforts. Teach these truths, Timothy, and encourage everyone to obey them. (1 Timothy 6:1-2 NLT)
In the following parable, Jesus clearly approves of beating slaves even if they didn't know they were doing anything wrong.
The servant will be severely punished, for though he knew his duty, he refused to do it. "But people who are not aware that they are doing wrong will be punished only lightly. Much is required from those to whom much is given, and much more is required from those to whom much more is given." (Luke 12:47-48 NLT)
Gavana
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It is common sense that most of us humans are rational people who follow logic. Christians like to claim Jesus is God, so let us test this, and let us put ourselves in the time of Jesus as a believing person. We will quote passages from the NT and you decide for yourselves if you would take Jesus as God if you witnessed these events.
Let us now take a journey into the NT:
John 20: 16-18
[SUP]16 [/SUP]Jesus saith unto her, Mary. She turned herself, and saith unto him, Rabboni; which is to say, Master. [SUP]
17 [/SUP]Jesus saith unto her, Touch me not; for I am not yet ascended to my Father: but go to my brethren, and say unto them, I ascend unto my Father, and your Father; and to my God, and your God.
[SUP]18 [/SUP]Mary Magdalene came and told the disciples that she had seen the LORD, and that he had spoken these things unto her.
If someone told you they have a God, would you honestly believe that man is God?
Think logically, will you take the man as your God, or will you worship his God?
Logic tells you that you should be worshiping his God.
Mark 24: 32-36:
32 Now learn a parable of the fig tree; When his branch is yet tender, and putteth forth leaves, ye know that summer is nigh:
33 So likewise ye, when ye shall see all these things, know that it is near, even at the doors.
34 Verily I say unto you, This generation shall not pass, till all these things be fulfilled.
35 Heaven and earth shall pass away, but my words shall not pass away.
36 But of that day and hour knoweth no man, no, not the angels of heaven, but my Father only
If a man told you he does not know the last hour, would you really believe this man could be God? Think logically.
Jhn 7:16 Jesus answered them, and said, My doctrine is not mine, but his that sent me
If someone told you the doctrine he teaches you is not his, but belongs to someone else, would you believe this person is God?
Think logically. It's like God saying the Bible is not from me, but from someone else. In fact that is what Christians say!
Hebrews 5:1-8:
1 For every high priest taken from among men is ordained for men in things pertaining to God, that he may offer both gifts and sacrifices for sins:
2 Who can have compassion on the ignorant, and on them that are out of the way; for that he himself also is compassed with infirmity.
3 And by reason hereof he ought, as for the people, so also for himself, to offer for sins.
4 And no man taketh this honour unto himself, but he that is called of God, as was Aaron.
5 So also Christ glorified not himself to be made an high priest; but he that said unto him, Thou art my Son, to day have I begotten thee.
6 As he saith also in another place, Thou art a priest for ever after the order of Melchisedec.
7 Who in the days of his flesh, when he had offered up prayers and supplications with strong crying and tears unto him that was able to save him from death, and was heard in that he feared;
8 Though he were a Son, yet learned he obedience by the things which he suffered
If you saw a man crying and praying non stop in fear, would you really take this man as God? Think logically please.
Matthew 6: 5-8:
And when thou prayest, thou shalt not be as the hypocrites are: for they love to pray standing in the synagogues and in the corners of the streets, that they may be seen of men. Verily I say unto you, They have their reward.
[SUP]6 [/SUP]But thou, when thou prayest, enter into thy closet, and when thou hast shut thy door, pray to thy Father which is in secret; and thy Father which seeth in secret shall reward thee openly.
[SUP]7 [/SUP]But when ye pray, use not vain repetitions, as the heathen do: for they think that they shall be heard for their much speaking.
[SUP]8 [/SUP]Be not ye therefore like unto them: for your Father knoweth what things ye have need of, before ye ask him.
If a man told you to pray to someone else, not himself, would you believe this man is God? Think logically. A man is telling you pray to God, and teaching you how, he is not telling you to pray to him, so would you believe this man is God?
Acts 2:22:
[SUP]22 [/SUP]Ye men of Israel, hear these words; Jesus of Nazareth, a man approved of God among you by miracles and wonders and signs, which God did by him in the midst of you, as ye yourselves also know:
If you heard this statement would you honestly believe Jesus is God?
A MAN approved of God, obviously logic tells you this man is not God.
It also says that God gave him the miracles and wonders etc. So think logically, would you still take this man as God? If you are illogical you then will. It also doesn't take a brain genius to figure this out.
Acts 3:13:
[SUP]13 [/SUP]The God of Abraham, and of Isaac, and of Jacob, the God of our fathers, hath glorified his Son Jesus; whom ye delivered up, and denied him in the presence of Pilate, when he was determined to let him go
Would you take this man as God?
Note how it starts off saying the God of Abraham, and Isaac, and of Jacob, and the God of our fathers, it then says this God has glorified his son who is Jesus. So as we can see, there is a distinction made, and that Jesus cannot possibly be the God of Abraham, Isaac, nor Jacob.
Think logically, the text makes it clear that the God of Abraham and of Isaac and of Jacob is NOT Jesus.
There is much more that could be shown. However so this is enough, now its up to you to use your brain or not.
Ishmael
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MTUME MUHAMMAD ASEMA: TUMIENI MAWE MATATU KUJISAFISHA BAADA YA HAJA KUBWA
Baada ya kujisaidia haja kubwa, usitumie mifupa au kinyesi kujisafisha; Bali utumie mawe kujisafisha mwenyewe ... (Sahih Bukhari, 1.4.157)
Utakapo maliza kujisaidia, tumia mawe Matatu kujisafisha sehemu zako za siri ... (Sahih Bukhari, 1. 4.162)
Tumia mawe tatu kwa kujisafisha baada ya kujisaidia ... (Sunaan Abu Dawud, 1.0040)
Baada ya kutembelea choo, beba mawe matatu na uyatumie kujisafisha wewe mwenyewe ... (Sunaan Abu Dawud, 1.1.0040)
Baada ya kujisaidia haja kubwa, tumia udongo mara mbili kujisafisha; wala usitumie kinyesi kujisafisha... (Sunaan Nasai, 1.42)
Kama unajisaidia haja kubwa katika jangwa, basi tumia mawe matatu kujisafisha baada ya haja kubwa, hakuna haja ya kutumia maji ... (Sunaan Nasai, 1.44)
HUU NI MSIBA KWA NDUGU ZETU WAISLAMU
housegirl
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Inaboa kweli thread inaanza vizuri and you wana follow halafu wanatokea wakina Schiendler na kuongeza pages unnecessarily with their bogus arguments......
Kama vipi muanzishe your own threads :angry: muwe mnaUpdate kila mara, they'll always be on active topics, watu wataona.
Other than that mnaonekana washabiki and mwishowe nobody will bother to read your posts no matter how helpful they might be.......
Kama vipi muanzishe your own threads :angry: muwe mnaUpdate kila mara, they'll always be on active topics, watu wataona.
Other than that mnaonekana washabiki and mwishowe nobody will bother to read your posts no matter how helpful they might be.......
Gavana
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It is common sense that most of us humans are rational people who follow logic. Christians like to claim Jesus is God, so let us test this, and let us put ourselves in the time of Jesus as a believing person. We will quote passages from the NT and you decide for yourselves if you would take Jesus as God if you witnessed these events.
Let us now take a journey into the NT:
John 20: 16-18
[SUP]16 [/SUP]Jesus saith unto her, Mary. She turned herself, and saith unto him, Rabboni; which is to say, Master. [SUP]
17 [/SUP]Jesus saith unto her, Touch me not; for I am not yet ascended to my Father: but go to my brethren, and say unto them, I ascend unto my Father, and your Father; and to my God, and your God.
[SUP]18 [/SUP]Mary Magdalene came and told the disciples that she had seen the LORD, and that he had spoken these things unto her.
If someone told you they have a God, would you honestly believe that man is God?
Think logically, will you take the man as your God, or will you worship his God?
Logic tells you that you should be worshiping his God.
Mark 24: 32-36:
32 Now learn a parable of the fig tree; When his branch is yet tender, and putteth forth leaves, ye know that summer is nigh:
33 So likewise ye, when ye shall see all these things, know that it is near, even at the doors.
34 Verily I say unto you, This generation shall not pass, till all these things be fulfilled.
35 Heaven and earth shall pass away, but my words shall not pass away.
36 But of that day and hour knoweth no man, no, not the angels of heaven, but my Father only
If a man told you he does not know the last hour, would you really believe this man could be God? Think logically.
Jhn 7:16 Jesus answered them, and said, My doctrine is not mine, but his that sent me
If someone told you the doctrine he teaches you is not his, but belongs to someone else, would you believe this person is God?
Think logically. It's like God saying the Bible is not from me, but from someone else. In fact that is what Christians say!
Hebrews 5:1-8:
1 For every high priest taken from among men is ordained for men in things pertaining to God, that he may offer both gifts and sacrifices for sins:
2 Who can have compassion on the ignorant, and on them that are out of the way; for that he himself also is compassed with infirmity.
3 And by reason hereof he ought, as for the people, so also for himself, to offer for sins.
4 And no man taketh this honour unto himself, but he that is called of God, as was Aaron.
5 So also Christ glorified not himself to be made an high priest; but he that said unto him, Thou art my Son, to day have I begotten thee.
6 As he saith also in another place, Thou art a priest for ever after the order of Melchisedec.
7 Who in the days of his flesh, when he had offered up prayers and supplications with strong crying and tears unto him that was able to save him from death, and was heard in that he feared;
8 Though he were a Son, yet learned he obedience by the things which he suffered
If you saw a man crying and praying non stop in fear, would you really take this man as God? Think logically please.
Matthew 6: 5-8:
And when thou prayest, thou shalt not be as the hypocrites are: for they love to pray standing in the synagogues and in the corners of the streets, that they may be seen of men. Verily I say unto you, They have their reward.
[SUP]6 [/SUP]But thou, when thou prayest, enter into thy closet, and when thou hast shut thy door, pray to thy Father which is in secret; and thy Father which seeth in secret shall reward thee openly.
[SUP]7 [/SUP]But when ye pray, use not vain repetitions, as the heathen do: for they think that they shall be heard for their much speaking.
[SUP]8 [/SUP]Be not ye therefore like unto them: for your Father knoweth what things ye have need of, before ye ask him.
If a man told you to pray to someone else, not himself, would you believe this man is God? Think logically. A man is telling you pray to God, and teaching you how, he is not telling you to pray to him, so would you believe this man is God?
Acts 2:22:
[SUP]22 [/SUP]Ye men of Israel, hear these words; Jesus of Nazareth, a man approved of God among you by miracles and wonders and signs, which God did by him in the midst of you, as ye yourselves also know:
If you heard this statement would you honestly believe Jesus is God?
A MAN approved of God, obviously logic tells you this man is not God.
It also says that God gave him the miracles and wonders etc. So think logically, would you still take this man as God? If you are illogical you then will. It also doesn't take a brain genius to figure this out.
Acts 3:13:
[SUP]13 [/SUP]The God of Abraham, and of Isaac, and of Jacob, the God of our fathers, hath glorified his Son Jesus; whom ye delivered up, and denied him in the presence of Pilate, when he was determined to let him go
Would you take this man as God?
Note how it starts off saying the God of Abraham, and Isaac, and of Jacob, and the God of our fathers, it then says this God has glorified his son who is Jesus. So as we can see, there is a distinction made, and that Jesus cannot possibly be the God of Abraham, Isaac, nor Jacob.
Think logically, the text makes it clear that the God of Abraham and of Isaac and of Jacob is NOT Jesus.
There is much more that could be shown. However so this is enough, now its up to you to use your brain or not.