If God knows the future (omniscient), can you change your destiny?

[Eiyer]

if he knew how everything will turn out, kwa nini alimuumba satan to begin with? i thought akimuumba satan akiwa mkamilifu kabisa hadi pale evil ilipopatikana ndani yake, which i cant even to start thinking ilitokea wapi kama alikua clean, it means na hapo God pia knew kua namuumba huyu ni safi lakini atakua mchafu siku moja na malaika flani na flani watamfuata wataenda kwa adam na eve ntakayemuumba watadanganya, dunia itaharibika, everythin from earthquakes to noah's ark.. come on u gotta be kidding.. Sasa its like a play then tupo ndani yake tunajidanganya tuna free will ila everything has been done... Kama hii ni kweli basi ntakubaliana na a scientist ambae atanambia time travel is possible, because all we are is nothing but a mere thought, the almighty is thinking of us, we arent real objects so we can be altered anytime... Dont quote me wrong, am not fighting back najaribu kuelewa mada vizuri

Kwa hisani ya Lisa Valentine soma hapa chini utapata baadhi ya majibu ya maswali yako ......

First we should understand love and free will.

Do you understand a pure love? It comes from free will. For example if you want to know that somebody truly loves you, It should be from his/her free will to do so. God is love, he is not a dictator, he is very logical being. Out of free will comes a pure love.

One trait of God is His omniscience (He is all-knowing). He knows what will happen for all of eternity. The things that man know are not even a tip of a nail compared to what God knows. He even knows what will happen to you a minute from now which you don't have an idea of.

What Bible says:

The Bible makes it clear that God has no pleasure in seeing sinners die which lead them to eternal punishment (Ezekiel 33:11). He created man for His glory and for his pleasure (Revelations 4:11).

Now that you have grasped the meaning of pure love and its connection with free will plus the tip of what scriptures says here's a question...

If you're God, will you derive pleasure from the "love" your created gives you if in the first place, you have programmed them like robots to give you love (they have no choice but to love you)?

That is like programming a computer which repeats continually "free idea guy is a genius atheist" and tell yourself and other JF members "I am genius atheist because the computer I have programmed said so".

I believe that you'll agree that "love" that's not freely given is not true love. God had to give man a free will so that He can experience true love from His created so that pleasure is achieved. He wanted man to love Him willingly. Free will allows man to love God willingly. That's why God gave us free will. Not doing so goes against reason. As I said before God is a logical being that's why He saw it right to give man the freedom to choose for himself and He hoped that we'd use it to give Him pleasure.

God gave man free will even if He knew it will cause problems through man's wrong use of it because He also knows the solution to it. -Jesus. When God finished making this world on the sixth day, He looked on the whole of His creation and saw that it was all good, including the free will He gave man. To you who are still living in sin, use your free will by deciding to forsake your sins and to have Jesus be your Lord and Savior.




First about death:

Here you are missing the point or you missed the point which was stated clearly on the scriptures.You might have been looking for the immediate physical death but you don't realize these were first humans and the process of ageing and decaying and eventually dying was not introduced to them. that is to say before the sin Adam and Eve committed, there was no death. From that point the death to human was introduced as God said, Adam and Eve and their offspring became subject to death including you and me. Oh yes we are dying now ask fellow atheists.

Second your eyes will be open

When you said "mungu anaonekana mwongo" its as if he talked about the eyes in prior. Lies is when you say a false thing. What did God say?

Genesis 3:2 The woman said to the serpent, "We may eat fruit from the trees in the garden, but God did say, ‘You must not eat fruit from the tree that is in the middle of the garden, and you must not touch it, or you will die.'"

There you see God did not mention about their eyes but he mentioned that they will die. When you stop your young son not to use drugs you might tell him he will go to jail, but you might not mention that he will get high, joyful with euphoric effects.

Their eyes were opened to see good and evil. They were instantly opened to their own sin and rebellion.Do you know why they felt shame? and start hiding? Remember these two were Gods beloved creation, no sin therefore they were protected. But how would they understand that they have gone against God's command if their eyes would not opened? Seemingly, it wasonly after the sin of Adam that they knew of their sinful state. They knew theywere naked, in the sense of having their shame exposed to allcreation. His glory left them that's why they found that they were naked.

When you refer to the scriptures please copy the whole verse so that you wont mislead by skipping the content of it.

Did they become as God?

Actually this is what serpent said:

Genesis 3: Then the serpent said to the woman, "You will not surely die. For God knows that in the day you eat of it your eyes will be opened, and you will be like God, knowing good and evil."

Nope, they didn't become like God.

Satan tries to get Eve to doubt the goodness of God. If God lies to her, how can He be good? he tries to get Eve to doubt the badness of sin. If this fruit is something good for her, why doesn't God want her to have it? Satan wants us to see sin as something good that a bad God doesn't want us to have. His main lie to us is "sin is not bad and God is not good." Satan and the his followers will present a thousand reasons to show how good it would be to disobey Gods command.

What happened to them was a result of free will.

Death came upon them. Their eyes became open with shame and now they know good and evil. They were chased out from the garden of eden.

But free ideas and the alike don't worry about it, God gave us Jesus the savior as the solution. Use you free will and free ideas to do the right thing now.

You should reply this with built up urging, not names of funny failed historians otherwise you are too low for this.

 

[Eiyer]

Kweli elimu yangu ni ndogo (though that's relative). Inawezekana kweli jibu langu la kitoto (in your opinion). But what you have done is agree to all my premises except the conclusion. Unfortunately you haven't explained why? Why do you think this is just? Why create people if he already knew they won't choose him? Why burn them forever? I am all ears boss!

Kwanini unadhani kuwa kwa yeye kujua hivyo unadhani ni sahihi kuahirisha kile alichopanga?

Unajua maana ya kuahirisha pale ambapo unaona kuna jambo usilolipenda kule unakoenda?

Unajua kuwa kuahirisha ni tabia ya binadamu na sio Mungu?

Unajua ni kwanini Mungu hana tabia hiyo?

 

[Mfamaji]

Do you know the law of growth?

 

[Ishmael]

if he knew how everything will turn out, kwa nini alimuumba satan to begin with? i thought akimuumba satan akiwa mkamilifu kabisa hadi pale evil ilipopatikana ndani yake, which i cant even to start thinking ilitokea wapi kama alikua clean, it means na hapo God pia knew kua namuumba huyu ni safi lakini atakua mchafu siku moja na malaika flani na flani watamfuata wataenda kwa adam na eve ntakayemuumba watadanganya, dunia itaharibika, everythin from earthquakes to noah's ark.. come on u gotta be kidding.. Sasa its like a play then tupo ndani yake tunajidanganya tuna free will ila everything has been done... Kama hii ni kweli basi ntakubaliana na a scientist ambae atanambia time travel is possible, because all we are is nothing but a mere thought, the almighty is thinking of us, we arent real objects so we can be altered anytime... Dont quote me wrong, am not fighting back najaribu kuelewa mada vizuri

Huu ni Mfano tu:

Let me teach a little bit about predestination through infallible word.

One of the good example of how predestination works is with King Saul (in 1 and 2 Samuel), God did indeed predestinate him(Saul) to be the King, but once Saul received his office, it was up to him to either remain sincere or not. In the end the Lord reserved him as wicked, because he turned away from God.

In plain talk, we are given our chance when God reveals His way, His path to us; but we our own selves must continue in sincerity through the test of sincerity, which is all that comes upon us during our lifetime. Just as Abraham, not until he was about to slay his son at that very moment is when God had an angel stop him, and said, "Now I know that you fear God, seeing that you did not withhold your son".

 

[Alola]

Duh! Basi ndio maana anaitwa Mungu sababu kwa wanaoamini kitabu cha mwanzo watalazimika kuamini pia kuwa Mungu alijua kama adam atakula tunda na itakula kwake lakini akamuacha majanga yamkute. Adam kashindwa kutumia 'free will' yake vizuri. Kwa majibu ya hapa inamaanisha Mungu anajua destiny na wakati huohuo kakupa uhuru wa kuchagua. Mitihani...

 

[simplemind]

The subconscious mind determines ones destiny. Teach me how to train my subconscious mind and for sure I will change my destiny.

 

[jrnedy]

Kwanini unadhani kuwa kwa yeye kujua hivyo unadhani ni sahihi kuahirisha kile alichopanga?

Unajua maana ya kuahirisha pale ambapo unaona kuna jambo usilolipenda kule unakoenda?

Unajua kuwa kuahirisha ni tabia ya binadamu na sio Mungu?

Unajua ni kwanini Mungu hana tabia hiyo?

Boss, kwanza kabisa wewe unajibu swali kwa swali all the time! Why? Me ni mwanafunzi, nifundishe! Naomba nipe jibu ya maswali niliyouliza!

Pili, umeongelea 'kuhairisha mungu alichopanga'. Hili linatupeleka mbali zaidi. Kwamba Kuna kupanga then (after some unknown time but before the actual occurance) Ndio realisation of unforseen events inamjia mungu. I think mungu anapanga na kujua at the same time. No surprises.

 

[Muhusika]

Mi nitajazia kwa kuandika kwamba, Mungu hajawahi kuumba chochote bali binadamu ndiye amemwumba mungu kutokana na utashi wake na matakwa yake kwa wakati wake. kama Adam ndie alitenda dhambi na kusababisha kif iweje kwa wanyama? kama hawa alipewa adhabu ya kuzaa kwa uchungu iweje kwa wanyama?

 

[Ishmael]

The subconscious mind determines ones destiny. Teach me how to train my subconscious mind and for sure I will change my destiny.

You have to know yourself. Are you a Soul, Spirit or Body? Who/what controls you? Your mind, intellect, soul, spirit? You need to really understand the self in you.

 

[Mlaleo]

If you don't know the answer it is okay. Others will help you.

Cha Muhimu jiulize na ujitambue je wewe na matendo yako na jinsi uishivyo unampendeza Mungu na Wanadamu wenzio wafuata Sheria za Muumba wako sawa... je ujionavyo wafaa kwenda Mbinguni? kama unaweza kujipima ukapata jibu jipange tena kisha jiulize....! ukiona vipi basi elewa kuwa watakao ingia Mbinguni ni 144,000 tu wale watakatifu... ni rahisi kupata Jibu kuwa wewe unaweza kuwemo kwenye hiyo list endapo nawe ni Mtakatifu...

 

[simplemind]

You have to know yourself. Are you a Soul, Spirit or Body? Who/what controls you? Your mind, intellect, soul, spirit? You need to really understand the self in you.

Let me be explicit. Soul,spirit are elusive concepts to comprehend for the moment l consider subconscious mind and relation to destiny. The subconscious mind is an entity that stores
everything one sees, hears and any
information the mind collects. The
conscious mind cannot always absorb all information, as it would
be an information overload, so the
subconscious mind stores this
information where it can be retrieved
by the conscious mind when it needs for survival or for other
reasons. Subconscious mind may be compared to computer hard disk stores all the information/ programmes. Likewise conscious mind can compared to computer's RAM which loads information/programme that is immediately required to deal with particular situation or a problem. Destiny is about how one reacts/responds to a circumstance and this depends on information available on your minds "RAM"(conscious) and information available on minds "hard disk"(subconscious). Since the information available on minds RAM is limited how you react to particular situation will ultimately depend on information available on minds hard disk/subconscious,and proportion that can be quickly retrieved for processing. Teach me how to access my minds hard disk and I will master my destiny.

 

[NullPointer]

Huu ni Mfano tu:

Let me teach a little bit about predestination through infallible word.

One of the good example of how predestination works is with King Saul (in 1 and 2 Samuel), God did indeed predestinate him(Saul) to be the King, but once Saul received his office, it was up to him to either remain sincere or not. In the end the Lord reserved him as wicked, because he turned away from God.

In plain talk, we are given our chance when God reveals His way, His path to us; but we our own selves must continue in sincerity through the test of sincerity, which is all that comes upon us during our lifetime. Just as Abraham, not until he was about to slay his son at that very moment is when God had an angel stop him, and said, "Now I know that you fear God, seeing that you did not withhold your son".

with that u mean he doesn't know then, He knew Saul would become a king but He never knew if Saul would remain sincere after that? that ain't different with say He knows everyone can go to heaven but He doesn't know who will chose the good path or who will chose the bad.. am i getting u right?.

 

[tindikalikali]

Duh! Basi ndio maana anaitwa Mungu sababu kwa wanaoamini kitabu cha mwanzo watalazimika kuamini pia kuwa Mungu alijua kama adam atakula tunda na itakula kwake lakini akamuacha majanga yamkute. Adam kashindwa kutumia 'free will' yake vizuri. Kwa majibu ya hapa inamaanisha Mungu anajua destiny na wakati huohuo kakupa uhuru wa kuchagua. Mitihani...

kuna mtu baada ya kumbana akaniambia alikuwa hajui kama shetani atabadilika, nikamuuliza kwa hiyo hajui yote..akaanza kubisha tena!!

 

[Eiyer]

Boss, kwanza kabisa wewe unajibu swali kwa swali all the time! Why?

Hili ndilo tatizo lenu
Mnataka kujua mambo makubwa halafu hamtaki kufikiri

Silikiza;utaratibu wa kujibu swali uko wa aina 2
1;unajibu swali kwa jibu
2;Unajibu swali kwa kuuliza

Aina ya pili ndio nzuri zaidi kwakuwa inakufanya wewe muuliza swali ku gain kwakuufikirisha ubongo wako
Mfano;Umeniuliza kuwa,kama Yesu ni Mungu alipokufa nani ali run dunia?Mimi badala ku kukupa jibu la moja kwa moja naweza kukuuliza,kwani Mungu uwezo wake unaoujua wewe ni upi?,kwenye hilo swali langu ndipo kwenye majibu,lakini majibu sitakupa mimi bali utajipa wewe ambae unataka kujua aliyekuwa ana run dunia wakati Yesu kafa,na utakuwa umepata faida kwa kuufikirisha ubongo wako na hatimae umepata jibu

Hivyo basi,unapotaka upewe jibu jibu la moja kwa moja ni kutokutaka kuushughulisha ubongo wako kitu ambacho sio kizuri kwenye haya mambo haya yanayomhusu Mungu

Me ni mwanafunzi, nifundishe! Naomba nipe jibu ya maswali niliyouliza!

Acha uvivu ...

Pili, umeongelea 'kuhairisha mungu alichopanga'. Hili linatupeleka mbali zaidi. Kwamba Kuna kupanga then (after some unknown time but before the actual occurance) Ndio realisation of unforseen events inamjia mungu. I think mungu anapanga na kujua at the same time. No surprises.

Hujanielewa kabisa

It's seems your comprehension is too low
Jifunze kutafakari na kusoma kwa utulivu ili uwe unaelewa context ya maelezo na swali?

 

[jrnedy]

Hili ndilo tatizo lenu
Mnataka kujua mambo makubwa halafu hamtaki kufikiri

Silikiza;utaratibu wa kujibu swali uko wa aina 2
1;unajibu swali kwa jibu
2;Unajibu swali kwa kuuliza

Aina ya pili ndio nzuri zaidi kwakuwa inakufanya wewe muuliza swali ku gain kwakuufikirisha ubongo wako
Mfano;Umeniuliza kuwa,kama Yesu ni Mungu alipokufa nani ali run dunia?Mimi badala ku kukupa jibu la moja kwa moja naweza kukuuliza,kwani Mungu uwezo wake unaoujua wewe ni upi?,kwenye hilo swali langu ndipo kwenye majibu,lakini majibu sitakupa mimi bali utajipa wewe ambae unataka kujua aliyekuwa ana run dunia wakati Yesu kafa,na utakuwa umepata faida kwa kuufikirisha ubongo wako na hatimae umepata jibu

Hivyo basi,unapotaka upewe jibu jibu la moja kwa moja ni kutokutaka kuushughulisha ubongo wako kitu ambacho sio kizuri kwenye haya mambo haya yanayomhusu Mungu

Acha uvivu ...

Hujanielewa kabisa

It's seems your comprehension is too low
Jifunze kutafakari na kusoma kwa utulivu ili uwe unaelewa context ya maelezo na swali?

Rudi kwenye post zangu! Hilo swali la yesu kufa na ku run dunia kama limeulizwa si mimi niliyeuliza. Sijui kwanini umenihusisha,

What I have noticed, badala ya kupata ufafanuzi I get attacked! Tuishie hapa! Sijapata majibu yanayoridhisha! Nilishawabana wengi wanaosema wanamjua mungu na wasomaji wazuri wa biblia wakashindwa kunipa jibu! Wengi huwa wanaishia kusema Binadamu na akili yetu hatuwezi kumwelewa mungu kama tutakavyo ndio maana inatubidi kuishi kwa imani. I think that is a smarter answer than attacking me!

 

[Attache]

The way I know ni kwamba binadamu tumeumbwa in the likeness of God so we have the free will to choose what to do or not to do, in turn, we define our own destinies. Na hili ni moja ya mambo ambayo yalimfanya lucifer aone wivu juu ya man kind, free will. I believe that the YHWH knows mwisho wako iwapo utachagua uamuzi fulani i.e if you choose evil ways He knows where you will end up and so if you choose holly ways. The choices are there so ni uamuzi wako kuchagua lililojema na kutembea kwenye makusudi ya Mungu au baya uwe vulnerable kwa deceits za shetani.

 

[Eiyer]

Rudi kwenye post zangu! Hilo swali la yesu kufa na ku run dunia kama limeulizwa si mimi niliyeuliza. Sijui kwanini umenihusisha,

Hujaelewa kabisa nilichoandika

Hakuna mahali niliposema kuwa wewe ndio uliosema hayo,sijui umetoa wapi hiyo
Hujui hata maana ya mfano?

What I have noticed, badala ya kupata ufafanuzi I get attacked! Tuishie hapa! Sijapata majibu yanayoridhisha!

Inawezekana hata hayo majibu ya kuridhisha huyajui ndio maana hujaona mantiki ya nilichokuandikia

Nilishawabana wengi wanaosema wanamjua mungu na wasomaji wazuri wa biblia wakashindwa kunipa jibu!

Hili ni tatizo lako lingine,unadhani kuna mahusiano ya kuwa msomaji mzuri wa biblia na kuelewa mambo yanayomhusu Mungu au kumjua Mungu

Hii inasikitisha sana

Wengi huwa wanaishia kusema Binadamu na akili yetu hatuwezi kumwelewa mungu kama tutakavyo ndio maana inatubidi kuishi kwa imani.

Sio kweli

I think that is a smarter answer than attacking me!

Kumbe ....!!

 

[Left back-gunner]

Ni aina ya masuala ambayo anajaribu kujiuliza mtu ambae elimu yake juu ya Allah ni ndogo...Ni kwamba Allah ana elimu iliokuzunguruka kila ambacho amekiumba au ata kiumba....Lazima tuelewe kua Kabla kumuumba Binadamu Allah aliziumba Nasfi na yeye alizungumza na Nafsi zote kabla ya sisi kupata hii miilii yetu au maskeleton.....Kwa vile wewe ulikataa tangu huko mwanzo kwa io ni kweli hutoweza kubadilisha hatma yako...ni Mkataba mabao ulisaini kabla kuja hapa duniani au kabla hata hujaingia kwenye Tumbo la mama yako....ni elimu iliokwenda mbali ambayo akili zetu haziwezi kufika.....Kwa taarifa yako Allah ana elimu ya Binadamu wa mwanzo hadi wa mwisho....na mpaka maji,hewa na chakula atakacho kula...ilimu ambayo wewe huna...wewe hujui kesho ni chochoro zipi utapita au duka gani utakwenda yeye anajua...hujui kesho maneno utakayoyasema yeye anajua....

 

[Alola]

....Kwa taarifa yako Allah ana elimu ya Binadamu wa mwanzo hadi wa mwisho....na mpaka maji,hewa na chakula atakacho kula...ilimu ambayo wewe huna...wewe hujui kesho ni chochoro zipi utapita au duka gani utakwenda yeye anajua...hujui kesho maneno utakayoyasema yeye anajua....

Kinachosumbua hapa ni kwanini anaacha mtu aende kuangamia ilhali anajua kuwa jaribu/mtihani huu utaushindwa?? kwanini asikinusuru kiumbe chake?? Hapo ndipo panahitaji elimu/maelezo sheikh

 

[Eiyer]

Kinachosumbua hapa ni kwanini anaacha mtu aende kuangamia ilhali anajua kuwa jaribu/mtihani huu utaushindwa?? kwanini asikinusuru kiumbe chake?? Hapo ndipo panahitaji elimu/maelezo sheikh

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