If God knows the future (omniscient), can you change your destiny?

[Ishmael]

yes i know about the miracles but usiende mbali. The fact that God defies logic means he is incomprehensible. you as a human being cannot begin to imagine him much less describe him.
from there what you think you know about God goes however you want and however anyone wants. do u understand?
nilikujibu asubuhi kwa kumquote Kiranga. nilikumention. if you have.any counter arguments pls quote that post of mine

Where did you get that "defies" in God. I said many times and I will repeat myself once again. GOD IS ABOVE LOGIC.

1. Logic is for you, in contrast, God doesn't need Logic.
2. God introduce logic for you to comprehend your daily life, in contrast, in HEAVEN there is no Logic.
3. For you to comprehend God you need "FAITH" and not Logic.

Nilikupa mfano mwingine wa education
You NEED Education but Education does not need you.

FURTHERMORE, the impossible things you call "Miracles", to God is/are the NORMAL things.
That Means: Miracles is/are for you and not for God.

 

[Ishmael]

this is what im trying to say....sijui nina mwandiko mbaya!!

By Kiranga
Kwa.sababu tunahambua ukweli na hadithi zisizo na ukweli.

Kwa sababu wewe ndiye uliyejibuzana nami hapa kama mtetezi wa uwepo wa mungu.

Mwambie huyo kijana atetee madai yake haya. IT IS VERY SERIOUS ISSUE.

 

[housegirl]

Dah! hiyo mantiki nimeipenda ya kwamba aliyetengeneza gari katengeneza na ajali?

unaweza kuimagine ulimwengu usio na ajali?

 

[Demarco]

Ukipinga evolution hujaonyesha mungu yupo.

First Law of Thermodynamics ni ya Physics, ina limitations, inafuata logic.

Itawezaje ku prove uwepo wa mungu ambaye ni.beyond the physical, hana limitations, na hafuati logic?

Ukiweza kutumia First Law of Thermodynamics kunprove uwepo wa.mungu usha prove kwamba huyo mungu si mungu huyu omnipotent, omniscient, omni benevolent and omnipresent.

Kwa sababu atakuwa contained within the laws of physics.

Sasa mungu gani asiye na.mwanzo wala mwisho.anaweza.kuwa contained withing the limited laws of physics?

We acha kuchekesha What is phycics?

 

[Kiranga]

this is what im trying to say....sijui nina mwandiko mbaya!!

Katika saikolojia kuna kitu kinaitwa "cognitive dissonance".

Basically, inafikia kipindi mtu aliyezaliwa na kulelewa katika dini fulani anakuwa kasha ji invest so much katika mtazamo wa dini hiyo, kiasi kwamba hata ukimueleza vitu reasonable, anaweza kukupinga kwa kitu as arbitrary as "the lord works in mysterious ways".

Hata kama akijua kwamba msimamo wake una mapungufu, kutokana na reason, anakataa kukubali.

Ana make up any excuse.

Inakuwa ligi.

Ndiyo maana hilo suala haliwezi kupatiwa jibu la maaana hapa kutoka kwa hawa wenye "cognitive dissonance".

 

[TanzaniaLaw]

Katika saikolojia kuna kitu kinaitwa "cognitive dissonance".

Basically, inafikia kipindi mtu aliyezaliwa na kulelewa katika dini fulani anakuwa kasha ji invest so much katika mtazamo wa dini hiyo, kiasi kwamba hata ukimueleza vitu reasonable, anaweza kukupinga kwa kitu as arbitrary as "the lord works in mysterious ways".

Hata kama akijua kwamba msimamo wake una mapungufu, kutokana na reason, anakataa kukubali.

Ana make up any excuse.

Inakuwa ligi.

Ndiyo maana hilo suala haliwezi kupatiwa jibu la maaana hapa kutoka kwa hawa wenye "cognitive dissonance".

By Kiranga
Kwa.sababu tunahambua ukweli na hadithi zisizo na ukweli.

Kwa sababu wewe ndiye uliyejibuzana nami hapa kama mtetezi wa uwepo wa mungu.

Clear this argument of yours in bold black. It is ethical to support your claims.

 

[Kiranga]

We acha kuchekesha What is phycics?

Physics is the science of matter and energy.

How can physics prove the metaphysical?

Do you even know the difference between physics and metaphysics?

 

[housegirl]

Where did you get that "defies" in God. I said many times and I will repeat myself once again. GOD IS ABOVE LOGIC.

1. Logic is for you, in contrast, God doesn't need Logic.
2. God introduce logic for you to comprehend your daily life, in contrast, in HEAVEN there is no Logic.
3. For you to comprehend God you need "FAITH" and not Logic.

Nilikupa mfano mwingine wa education
You NEED Education but Education does not need you.

FURTHERMORE, the impossible things you call "Miracles", to God is/are the NORMAL things.
That Means: Miracles is/are for you and not for God.

I see u didnt quote the post i asked u to.

If you only need faith, then your beliefs hold no logical grounds and will have no right to to tell people that you are more right than them. you all are right in your own rights and terms. hata mtu akija kusema God is evil you cant come defend that with logical arguments unfortunatley

 

[housegirl]

Katika saikolojia kuna kitu kinaitwa "cognitive dissonance".

Basically, inafikia kipindi mtu aliyezaliwa na kulelewa katika dini fulani anakuwa kasha ji invest so much katika mtazamo wa dini hiyo, kiasi kwamba hata ukimueleza vitu reasonable, anaweza kukupinga kwa kitu as arbitrary as "the lord works in mysterious ways".

Hata kama akijua kwamba msimamo wake una mapungufu, kutokana na reason, anakataa kukubali.

Ana make up any excuse.

Inakuwa ligi.

Ndiyo maana hilo suala haliwezi kupatiwa jibu la maaana hapa kutoka kwa hawa wenye "cognitive dissonance".

cognitive dissonance alone?

i was going to suggest the other problem but i'm afraid some might take it wrong. it reaches a point that two people's point of reasoning/seeing things/perception are just sooo different that its useless debating. its really not because of C.D some cases

 

[Ishmael]

Clear this argument of yours in bold black. It is ethical to support your claims.

By Kiranga
Kwa.sababu tunahambua ukweli na hadithi zisizo na ukweli.

Kwa sababu wewe ndiye uliyejibuzana nami hapa kama mtetezi wa uwepo wa mungu.

Hana huo uwezo wa kufuata sheria zaidi ya kuonyesha udhaifu na self esteem na kukimbia posti yake mwenye.

 

[Ishmael]

Physics is the science of matter and energy.

How can physics prove the metaphysical?

Do you even know the difference between physics and metaphysics?

By Kiranga
Kwa.sababu tunahambua ukweli na hadithi zisizo na ukweli.

Kwa sababu wewe ndiye uliyejibuzana nami hapa kama mtetezi wa uwepo wa mungu.

Here we go again. Support your post, WEWE HUWA UNAPOKA SANA NA KUBWABWAJA SANA. Sasa saidia madai yako hapo juu.

 

[Kiranga]

cognitive dissonance alone?

i was going to suggest the other problem but i'm afraid some might take it wrong. it reaches a point that two people's point of reasoning/seeing things/perception are just sooo different that its useless debating. its really not because of C.D some cases

I was just being modest, lol.

But you get the deeper undertone.

 

[kaka km]

Hands down,nawaacha muendelee,actually you need a divine intervention to tell/convice a dog about believing/God's existence.

Nina mbwa wangu hapa anaitwa Osama,ngoja nijaribu kumweleza hili,akielewa ntarudi.

 

[Mkuu wa chuo]

unaweza kuimagine ulimwengu usio na ajali?

sijaipata concept yako...

 

[Demarco]

Physics is the science of matter and energy.

How can physics prove the metaphysical?

Do you even know the difference between physics and metaphysics?

What about anti-matters. ....I told you there are new knowledge evolving that change how we define, and our understanding.

Even today's physics is not the way you Kiranga refers .

Go read...before speak about limits usizozisema you just generalize.
Limit can be from negative infinite to infinite. .so when you talk about limit be specific please.

ahahaaaaaa unajifanya wajua

 

[Kiranga]

What about anti-matters. ....I told you there are new knowledge evolving that change how we define, and our understanding.

Even today's physics is not the way you Kiranga refers .

Go read...before speak about limits usizozisema you just generalize.
Limit can be from negative infinite to infinite. .so when you talk about limit be specific please.

ahahaaaaaa unajifanya wajua

Hahahaha,

Do you even know what "anti matters" (sic) is?

Do you understand the fundamental difference between matter and antimatter and how that is fundamental.when.juxtaposed from the standpoint of physics versus metaphysics?

Do you know what metaphysics is?

 

[Demarco]

Hahahaha,

Do you even know what "anti matters" (sic) is?

Do you understand the fundamental difference between matter and antimatter and how that is fundamental.when.juxtaposed from the standpoint of physics versus metaphysics?

Do you know what metaphysics is?

You don't understand Physics ...you didn't mention antimatter in your definition, I did. Kukukosoa wewe ambaye huja ongelea antimatter kwenye definition yako ya Physics.
Unajifanya kuniuliza kama najua antimatter wakati mimi ndio niliyoleta hiyo kitu. ..unatia aibu kwa kweli.

 

[housegirl]

sijaipata concept yako...

EXACTLY. hata concept ya [a world where death is impossible+world where death is impossible] is difficult for some people to grasp.

hivi Mkuu wa chuo mbona sionagi unatoa mawazo yako? we ni kulike tu na kuquote watu na kuwashabikia!!!! its weird dude

 

[housegirl]

Hands down,nawaacha muendelee,actually you need a divine intervention to tell/convice a dog about believing/God's existence.

Nina mbwa wangu hapa anaitwa Osama,ngoja nijaribu kumweleza hili,akielewa ntarudi.

lets make JF a better place and stop with the insults

 

[Mkuu wa chuo]

EXACTLY. hata concept ya [a world where death is impossible+world where death is impossible] is difficult for some people to grasp.

hivi Mkuu wa chuo mbona sionagi unatoa mawazo yako? we ni kulike tu na kuquote watu na kuwashabikia!!!! its weird dude

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